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	<title>Comments on: Worst product of the week: homeopathy for kids and&#160;pets</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Nordquist</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/03/worst-product-of-the-week-hom.html#comment-1620311</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Nordquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 05:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ritz seems not to directly call the Boiron 30C dilution bits valid or map homeopathy proper for the outcomes canny.



My sugar-frosted Dr. House side says Patients Lie &quot;works&quot; 25% of the 
time, but my exact reading side says I could have an all-referral 
practice that is masteosis, well child inspection and sugar pill 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ritz seems not to directly call the Boiron 30C dilution bits valid or map homeopathy proper for the outcomes canny.</p>
<p>My sugar-frosted Dr. House side says Patients Lie &#8220;works&#8221; 25% of the<br />
time, but my exact reading side says I could have an all-referral<br />
practice that is masteosis, well child inspection and sugar pill<br />
representatives all day.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Nordquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Nordquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 04:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> How did you get that &#039;started in 1800s&#039; bit? Like the double column support, this stuff has tablets from Caanan (do not take internally to Syria,) etc. And Maggie K.B. knows the 
like affects like&#039; thing doesn&#039;t mean you draw the oils from the leaf surface to treat poison ivy; same plant, other end, homeostatis mechanisms make sense. Plants do not propogate by pickling themselves to death (much,) after all.

Wait a minute, I need to update my spam filter with 1/(10^34) of the internet...ok, success!

Then there are the trepanning angles on homeopathy, mentioned in BoingBoing before. Patch that trauma, patch that CNS!

I could not have helped but consider Chinese Medicine training certification licensed by the AMA, which there is (again not doing 60C dilution foolishness, or stumping for Ayurvedic or Japanese dominance or licensing in the practice.) It is homeopathic by some measure.

Oscillococcinum on-label must have bacteria with oscillating tentac...er, hairs. Fake endings (Oscillococcinibibabimus, anyone?) because tl:dr and it survives a US court? Feh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> How did you get that &#8216;started in 1800s&#8217; bit? Like the double column support, this stuff has tablets from Caanan (do not take internally to Syria,) etc. And Maggie K.B. knows the<br />
like affects like&#8217; thing doesn&#8217;t mean you draw the oils from the leaf surface to treat poison ivy; same plant, other end, homeostatis mechanisms make sense. Plants do not propogate by pickling themselves to death (much,) after all.</p>
<p>Wait a minute, I need to update my spam filter with 1/(10^34) of the internet&#8230;ok, success!</p>
<p>Then there are the trepanning angles on homeopathy, mentioned in BoingBoing before. Patch that trauma, patch that CNS!</p>
<p>I could not have helped but consider Chinese Medicine training certification licensed by the AMA, which there is (again not doing 60C dilution foolishness, or stumping for Ayurvedic or Japanese dominance or licensing in the practice.) It is homeopathic by some measure.</p>
<p>Oscillococcinum on-label must have bacteria with oscillating tentac&#8230;er, hairs. Fake endings (Oscillococcinibibabimus, anyone?) because tl:dr and it survives a US court? Feh!</p>
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		<title>By: Rachael Hoffman-Dachelet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachael Hoffman-Dachelet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 04:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homeopathy seems silly to me, however some &quot;homeopathic&quot; remedies are actually fairly useful, not because of the magic woo-water, but because they are based in useful things like glycerine or saline, often minus the preservatives, artificial colors, or what have you of over the counter medicines.  Example: I really like the eye drops, which come in glass bottles.  Sounds weird, but I get an icky plastic aftertaste from cheap drugstore eye drops.  (When I put them in my eyes.  Must be dripping down my sinuses.)   It&#039;s hard to find pharmaceutical grade glycerine without weird unwanted additives.  And since I don&#039;t believe in vibrations or whatever it is I can disregard whatever the &quot;homeopathic&quot; ingredient is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homeopathy seems silly to me, however some &#8220;homeopathic&#8221; remedies are actually fairly useful, not because of the magic woo-water, but because they are based in useful things like glycerine or saline, often minus the preservatives, artificial colors, or what have you of over the counter medicines.  Example: I really like the eye drops, which come in glass bottles.  Sounds weird, but I get an icky plastic aftertaste from cheap drugstore eye drops.  (When I put them in my eyes.  Must be dripping down my sinuses.)   It&#8217;s hard to find pharmaceutical grade glycerine without weird unwanted additives.  And since I don&#8217;t believe in vibrations or whatever it is I can disregard whatever the &#8220;homeopathic&#8221; ingredient is.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachael Hoffman-Dachelet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachael Hoffman-Dachelet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just want to jump in to mention that taking oral arnica that isn&#039;t homeopathically dilute is very damaging to the liver.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just want to jump in to mention that taking oral arnica that isn&#8217;t homeopathically dilute is very damaging to the liver.  </p>
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		<title>By: dolo54</title>
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		<dc:creator>dolo54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 04:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arnica is not homeopathic in and of itself. It&#039;s an herbal remedy and it does indeed work as do many &#039;medicines&#039; which are derived from herbs. Homeopathy specifically means taking a substance and diluting it as a way of strengthening its effect. No, it does not make any type of sense :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arnica is not homeopathic in and of itself. It&#8217;s an herbal remedy and it does indeed work as do many &#8216;medicines&#8217; which are derived from herbs. Homeopathy specifically means taking a substance and diluting it as a way of strengthening its effect. No, it does not make any type of sense :)</p>
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		<title>By: Gyrofrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gyrofrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 04:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This made me thing of Zicam, too.</description>
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		<title>By: Ian Colvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Colvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 04:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoying the discussion, as I&#039;ve always been skeptical.I remeber being concerned about vaccination when going O/S many years ago &amp; made an enquiry w the Aust Homepathic Association - they advised that homoeopathic vaccination would probably not work...

While we&#039;re talking water - would also love to see an article on all the hype re: alkaline water - a lot of intelligent people I know are being duped by this...anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoying the discussion, as I&#8217;ve always been skeptical.I remeber being concerned about vaccination when going O/S many years ago &amp; made an enquiry w the Aust Homepathic Association &#8211; they advised that homoeopathic vaccination would probably not work&#8230;</p>
<p>While we&#8217;re talking water &#8211; would also love to see an article on all the hype re: alkaline water &#8211; a lot of intelligent people I know are being duped by this&#8230;anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: technogeekagain</title>
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		<dc:creator>technogeekagain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 03:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I stopped supporting the ASPCA, and recommend that others do likewise: One of their newsletters suggested homeopathic pain remedies for pets.

Now, I can see that -- as with human medicine -- there are times when a placebo can legitimately be used to treat the caregiver who insists that something &quot;must&quot; be done even when no treatment is needed or appropriate. But that does NOT justify a wider recommendation, or one which suggests that this is anything but placebo.

And a placebo certainly isn&#039;t going to do the pet any good; the most you can say is that it probably won&#039;t do any direct harm.

So: ASPCA has, in my opinion, adopted a position favoring animal abuse, and will never see another dime from me. Fortunately, despite their name, they are far from the only or even the leading SPCA in the United States and there are lots of better places to donate the money.


Beyond that: This is what happens when we trash our school systems by killing the science tracks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I stopped supporting the ASPCA, and recommend that others do likewise: One of their newsletters suggested homeopathic pain remedies for pets.</p>
<p>Now, I can see that &#8212; as with human medicine &#8212; there are times when a placebo can legitimately be used to treat the caregiver who insists that something &#8220;must&#8221; be done even when no treatment is needed or appropriate. But that does NOT justify a wider recommendation, or one which suggests that this is anything but placebo.</p>
<p>And a placebo certainly isn&#8217;t going to do the pet any good; the most you can say is that it probably won&#8217;t do any direct harm.</p>
<p>So: ASPCA has, in my opinion, adopted a position favoring animal abuse, and will never see another dime from me. Fortunately, despite their name, they are far from the only or even the leading SPCA in the United States and there are lots of better places to donate the money.</p>
<p>Beyond that: This is what happens when we trash our school systems by killing the science tracks.</p>
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		<title>By: lauriej1</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. About 200 published studies and a major health technology assessment.
What&#039;s this about &quot;real medicine for Rubella, bone fractures, asthma, head injuries, and Measles&quot;. There isn&#039;t any mainstream medicine that cures any of these. You can set a bone fracture but it heals in its own time. Amazing how some people have such a naive view of what conventional medicine is all about.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. About 200 published studies and a major health technology assessment.<br />
What&#8217;s this about &#8220;real medicine for Rubella, bone fractures, asthma, head injuries, and Measles&#8221;. There isn&#8217;t any mainstream medicine that cures any of these. You can set a bone fracture but it heals in its own time. Amazing how some people have such a naive view of what conventional medicine is all about.</p>
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		<title>By: BillStewart2012</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillStewart2012</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homeopathy started as a not very scientific theory around 1800, about the same time as the first vaccines were discovered, and has a history of 200+ years of not very scientific trial&amp;error experimentation plus speculative explanations (most of which range from bogus to very bogus to utterly ridiculous.)  While homeopathy didn&#039;t pick up on the Germ Theory of Disease, so you can&#039;t trust it to cure the causes of disease, sometimes the experiments find treatments for symptoms which can be useful as long as you don&#039;t listen to the quackish explanations.*

Why would you want to treat symptoms instead of disease?  Because sometimes that&#039;s all you care about, and sometimes there are diseases for which scientific medicine doesn&#039;t offer cures, just treatment of symptoms.  Until Tamiflu came out, scientific medicine could sometimes prevent the flu with vaccines, but couldn&#039;t cure it.  Similarly, for allergies, the cure is &quot;avoid pollen by staying away from plants and animals&quot;, but if moving to Antarctica is inconvenient for you, there are a lot of scientific and homeopathic treatments for the symptoms, and you may may get more relief from the treatment than annoyance from its side effects (e.g. drowsiness from most of the early antihistamines.)

There are some homeopathic treatments that are only diluted a few times, so they still contain enough non-filler ingredients to be useful.  &quot;Alpha CF&quot; is a homeopathic flu remedy that has a few different ingredients, including enough ipecac to know you&#039;ve taken the stuff (but not quite enough to induce vomiting), and if I actually get the flu, it can reduce the symptoms from &quot;really awful&quot; to &quot;a bit sick&quot;, which is a big win.  

&lt;i&gt;(*Also, there are probably some conditions like hiccups or ear wax which can be treated by sticking your fingers in your ears and loudly saying &quot;I&#039;m really not listening!&quot;, which is the proper response to homeopathic theories...)&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homeopathy started as a not very scientific theory around 1800, about the same time as the first vaccines were discovered, and has a history of 200+ years of not very scientific trial&amp;error experimentation plus speculative explanations (most of which range from bogus to very bogus to utterly ridiculous.)  While homeopathy didn&#8217;t pick up on the Germ Theory of Disease, so you can&#8217;t trust it to cure the causes of disease, sometimes the experiments find treatments for symptoms which can be useful as long as you don&#8217;t listen to the quackish explanations.*</p>
<p>Why would you want to treat symptoms instead of disease?  Because sometimes that&#8217;s all you care about, and sometimes there are diseases for which scientific medicine doesn&#8217;t offer cures, just treatment of symptoms.  Until Tamiflu came out, scientific medicine could sometimes prevent the flu with vaccines, but couldn&#8217;t cure it.  Similarly, for allergies, the cure is &#8220;avoid pollen by staying away from plants and animals&#8221;, but if moving to Antarctica is inconvenient for you, there are a lot of scientific and homeopathic treatments for the symptoms, and you may may get more relief from the treatment than annoyance from its side effects (e.g. drowsiness from most of the early antihistamines.)</p>
<p>There are some homeopathic treatments that are only diluted a few times, so they still contain enough non-filler ingredients to be useful.  &#8220;Alpha CF&#8221; is a homeopathic flu remedy that has a few different ingredients, including enough ipecac to know you&#8217;ve taken the stuff (but not quite enough to induce vomiting), and if I actually get the flu, it can reduce the symptoms from &#8220;really awful&#8221; to &#8220;a bit sick&#8221;, which is a big win.  </p>
<p><i>(*Also, there are probably some conditions like hiccups or ear wax which can be treated by sticking your fingers in your ears and loudly saying &#8220;I&#8217;m really not listening!&#8221;, which is the proper response to homeopathic theories&#8230;)</i></p>
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		<title>By: David McAninch</title>
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		<dc:creator>David McAninch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/</description>
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		<title>By: CaptainPedge</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaptainPedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well like I said, send me your money, I&#039;m nicer than scamming evil homeopaths. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well like I said, send me your money, I&#8217;m nicer than scamming evil homeopaths. </p>
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		<title>By: DevinC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DevinC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went fishing once, with a lead sinker.  Downstream, 40 people died of lead poisoning.  </description>
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		<title>By: Scratcheee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scratcheee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zicam may actually be the one I looked at, come to think of it.</description>
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		<title>By: BillStewart2012</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillStewart2012</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the &quot;Storm Stress&quot; tablet calms down your dog, do you care if it&#039;s because of pseudo-scientific woo-woo quackery or because he likes having you feed him a tasty sugar pill and tell him he&#039;s a good doggie?  (Ok, you should, but it&#039;s safer for him than actual medicine, so if it works, great.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the &#8220;Storm Stress&#8221; tablet calms down your dog, do you care if it&#8217;s because of pseudo-scientific woo-woo quackery or because he likes having you feed him a tasty sugar pill and tell him he&#8217;s a good doggie?  (Ok, you should, but it&#8217;s safer for him than actual medicine, so if it works, great.)</p>
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		<title>By: leni</title>
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		<dc:creator>leni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought they were prescribing when they were merely unsure...</description>
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		<title>By: jimtron</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimtron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Homeopathy is based on the principle of diluting an herb with water until none of the substance remains...&quot;

Bit of a nitpick, but it&#039;s not only herbs; the very popular (and expensive) homeopathic remedy oscillococcinum has duck heart and liver as its &quot;active&quot; ingredient.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Homeopathy is based on the principle of diluting an herb with water until none of the substance remains&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Bit of a nitpick, but it&#8217;s not only herbs; the very popular (and expensive) homeopathic remedy oscillococcinum has duck heart and liver as its &#8220;active&#8221; ingredient.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, this is the same argument made by all pseudoscientists even long after their &quot;science&quot; has been debunked.  You see the problem.  You could be outright lying or even simply mistaken and engaging in motivated reasoning so I can&#039;t simply take your word on this.  And you seem &lt;em&gt;pretty&lt;/em&gt; biased towards a particular conclusion.

&quot;Real scientists&quot; may be curious but they are also usually pretty skeptical, at least when it comes to their scientific work.

Even if I want to be open-minded I cannot trust a meta-analysis by a homeopathy advocate such as yourself.  Nor am I going to trust one by a CICOPS members.  Despite what you say about people&#039;s ignorance of the evidence base, many people have already posted meta-analyses on this thread and the upshot seems to be that homeopathy has not been found to perform better than placebo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, this is the same argument made by all pseudoscientists even long after their &#8220;science&#8221; has been debunked.  You see the problem.  You could be outright lying or even simply mistaken and engaging in motivated reasoning so I can&#8217;t simply take your word on this.  And you seem <em>pretty</em> biased towards a particular conclusion.</p>
<p>&#8220;Real scientists&#8221; may be curious but they are also usually pretty skeptical, at least when it comes to their scientific work.</p>
<p>Even if I want to be open-minded I cannot trust a meta-analysis by a homeopathy advocate such as yourself.  Nor am I going to trust one by a CICOPS members.  Despite what you say about people&#8217;s ignorance of the evidence base, many people have already posted meta-analyses on this thread and the upshot seems to be that homeopathy has not been found to perform better than placebo.</p>
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		<title>By: leni</title>
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		<dc:creator>leni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever, I&#039;ll be over here with my anti-depressants, that keep me from freaking out all the time over nothing, and the birth control, that allows me to function on the days when I&#039;m menstruating and preserves my fertility so maybe I could have children some day. And, bonus, I&#039;m not overweight anymore, because I was prescribed Metformin as a teenager, when my metabolism was all screwed up. Yes, I&#039;ll be over here enjoying being happy and enjoying all that drug companies, despite and because of the profit motive, have done for me. Hope you don&#039;t have any kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever, I&#8217;ll be over here with my anti-depressants, that keep me from freaking out all the time over nothing, and the birth control, that allows me to function on the days when I&#8217;m menstruating and preserves my fertility so maybe I could have children some day. And, bonus, I&#8217;m not overweight anymore, because I was prescribed Metformin as a teenager, when my metabolism was all screwed up. Yes, I&#8217;ll be over here enjoying being happy and enjoying all that drug companies, despite and because of the profit motive, have done for me. Hope you don&#8217;t have any kids.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you&#039;re saying that you&#039;ll judge the efficacy of a particular methodology based on the &lt;em&gt;outcome&lt;/em&gt; of the study?

Isn&#039;t that basically the opposite of science?  Like isn&#039;t this what creationists do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re saying that you&#8217;ll judge the efficacy of a particular methodology based on the <em>outcome</em> of the study?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that basically the opposite of science?  Like isn&#8217;t this what creationists do?</p>
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		<title>By: Lolotehe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lolotehe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://whatstheharm.net/homeopathy.html </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://whatstheharm.net/homeopathy.html" rel="nofollow">http://whatstheharm.net/homeopathy.html</a> </p>
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		<title>By: Nylund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nylund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I want to know is if the homeopathic companies actually bother to mix one molecule in with water, shake and dilute it a billion times, or if they just sell water (or sugar water)?  Are there giant factories that do nothing but shake water containers?  That seems like a giant waste of resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I want to know is if the homeopathic companies actually bother to mix one molecule in with water, shake and dilute it a billion times, or if they just sell water (or sugar water)?  Are there giant factories that do nothing but shake water containers?  That seems like a giant waste of resources.</p>
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		<title>By: nowimnothing</title>
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		<dc:creator>nowimnothing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 00:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, we can complain and protest about police abuses, but that does not mean we want or need to  eliminate the police force altogether.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, we can complain and protest about police abuses, but that does not mean we want or need to  eliminate the police force altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: fluffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>fluffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 00:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I have a magic ring that protects me from tiger attacks. So far I&#039;ve never been attacked by a tiger. So obviously it works!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I have a magic ring that protects me from tiger attacks. So far I&#8217;ve never been attacked by a tiger. So obviously it works!</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 00:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s bizarre.  I&#039;ve had doctors recommend both saline solution and calcium carbonate for various problems, neither of which are patentable or highly profitable.  How does that square with your argument?

Is it possible that being science-driven and being profit-driven aren&#039;t entirely mutually exclusive?  Or that medicine isn&#039;t entirely profit-driven in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s bizarre.  I&#8217;ve had doctors recommend both saline solution and calcium carbonate for various problems, neither of which are patentable or highly profitable.  How does that square with your argument?</p>
<p>Is it possible that being science-driven and being profit-driven aren&#8217;t entirely mutually exclusive?  Or that medicine isn&#8217;t entirely profit-driven in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 00:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been a few miraculous tumor cures, but only a very few (which are, of course, amplified far louder than their real significance by the alt-med crowd).  I wouldn&#039;t put spontaneous tumor remission out of the scope of placebo for sure, but it does seem extremely unlikely for any individual to be able to heal cancer as a result of taking a sugar pill.

The really interesting stuff about placebo: two pills work better than one and they&#039;ll work better if an elderly doctor in a lab coat gives them to you than if a young person in casual clothing gives it to you.  It seems as though a more convincing &quot;performance&quot; results in a more robust placebo effect, which I take to mean that the less skeptical one is of a &quot;cure&quot; the more likely one is to be cured.

It&#039;s interesting to think about this in connection to traditional and magical healing.  Westerners are exposed to an insane amount of beliefs and ideas compared to our ancestors; we get to pick and choose what we believe, and I think as a result we tend to be more skeptical than people ever have been in the past (in the absence of electric monks, it&#039;s simply not possible to believe everything you hear).  So imagine if you lived in a village of 100 or so people and had only ever been exposed to the culture and lifeways of that village.  I bet the rates of placebo effect for healing practices are really high in traditional societies, perhaps even for really severe ailments.

There are some traditional healing practices that I think may have real benefits as well.  For example, I think it&#039;s possible that acupuncture might actually cure some chronic pain by recalibrating the brain&#039;s map of the body (but that&#039;s loose, playful speculation).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been a few miraculous tumor cures, but only a very few (which are, of course, amplified far louder than their real significance by the alt-med crowd).  I wouldn&#8217;t put spontaneous tumor remission out of the scope of placebo for sure, but it does seem extremely unlikely for any individual to be able to heal cancer as a result of taking a sugar pill.</p>
<p>The really interesting stuff about placebo: two pills work better than one and they&#8217;ll work better if an elderly doctor in a lab coat gives them to you than if a young person in casual clothing gives it to you.  It seems as though a more convincing &#8220;performance&#8221; results in a more robust placebo effect, which I take to mean that the less skeptical one is of a &#8220;cure&#8221; the more likely one is to be cured.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to think about this in connection to traditional and magical healing.  Westerners are exposed to an insane amount of beliefs and ideas compared to our ancestors; we get to pick and choose what we believe, and I think as a result we tend to be more skeptical than people ever have been in the past (in the absence of electric monks, it&#8217;s simply not possible to believe everything you hear).  So imagine if you lived in a village of 100 or so people and had only ever been exposed to the culture and lifeways of that village.  I bet the rates of placebo effect for healing practices are really high in traditional societies, perhaps even for really severe ailments.</p>
<p>There are some traditional healing practices that I think may have real benefits as well.  For example, I think it&#8217;s possible that acupuncture might actually cure some chronic pain by recalibrating the brain&#8217;s map of the body (but that&#8217;s loose, playful speculation).</p>
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		<title>By: Boris Bartlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boris Bartlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 00:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Which is why homeopathy may have had an edge over other medical practice prior to about 1930 or so. Those sugar pills do a great of following the rule &#039;first, do no harm...&#039;, and conventional medical practice was pretty hit or miss prior to the invention of antibiotics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Which is why homeopathy may have had an edge over other medical practice prior to about 1930 or so. Those sugar pills do a great of following the rule &#8216;first, do no harm&#8230;&#8217;, and conventional medical practice was pretty hit or miss prior to the invention of antibiotics.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris Bartlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boris Bartlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 00:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1825800
I suspect that this is publication bias, i.e. I think that the sensible position is still to regard the weak evidence presented here as insufficient to support the extraordinary claims of homeopathy. But anyone who says that there is *no* evidence is just rocking their own confirmation bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1825800<br />
I suspect that this is publication bias, i.e. I think that the sensible position is still to regard the weak evidence presented here as insufficient to support the extraordinary claims of homeopathy. But anyone who says that there is *no* evidence is just rocking their own confirmation bias.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> This needs to be pointed out more often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> This needs to be pointed out more often.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 00:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> So your argument is:
&quot;Modern scientific medicine is frequently ineffective and dangerous, therefore homeopathy totally works.&quot;

You seem to have skipped a few steps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> So your argument is:<br />
&#8220;Modern scientific medicine is frequently ineffective and dangerous, therefore homeopathy totally works.&#8221;</p>
<p>You seem to have skipped a few steps.</p>
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