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	<title>Comments on: Pedagogy of the Depressed: my experiences as a special ed student in the&#160;1990s.</title>
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		<title>By: Andy Reilly</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/05/pedagogyofthedepressed.html#comment-1624246</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back up your opinion with some shred of statistical fact. The majority of &quot;normals&quot; are not cruel, just like the majority of &quot;us&quot; are not violent crazies. Plain as day fact. I don&#039;t take it as some veiled threat, I take it as casting an entire group of people based on your experience with a few. Also known as bigotry. That is real talk. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back up your opinion with some shred of statistical fact. The majority of &#8220;normals&#8221; are not cruel, just like the majority of &#8220;us&#8221; are not violent crazies. Plain as day fact. I don&#8217;t take it as some veiled threat, I take it as casting an entire group of people based on your experience with a few. Also known as bigotry. That is real talk. </p>
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		<title>By: awjt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/05/pedagogyofthedepressed.html#comment-1624197</link>
		<dc:creator>awjt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a group, normals are cruel.  That&#039;s not bigotry.  That&#039;s a plain-as-day fact.  Like saying psychopaths are psycho.  But I also said, &quot;There ARE good normals.&quot;  So if you take this as some veiled threat against humanity, you are incorrect.  This is real talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a group, normals are cruel.  That&#8217;s not bigotry.  That&#8217;s a plain-as-day fact.  Like saying psychopaths are psycho.  But I also said, &#8220;There ARE good normals.&#8221;  So if you take this as some veiled threat against humanity, you are incorrect.  This is real talk.</p>
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		<title>By: ChuckieJesus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/05/pedagogyofthedepressed.html#comment-1624113</link>
		<dc:creator>ChuckieJesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 23:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did my time in psych juvie in the eighties. I went in broken, came out broken. Nothing changed except for the pattern of the cracks.


And yeah, I still have nightmares about the cinderblock and plexiglas place that kept me for three years of my teenage life. Never had a prom, never had a graduation, don&#039;t have a real alma mater I can mention anywhere. I have one friend left from those times, and she says she still has bad dreams of it, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did my time in psych juvie in the eighties. I went in broken, came out broken. Nothing changed except for the pattern of the cracks.</p>
<p>And yeah, I still have nightmares about the cinderblock and plexiglas place that kept me for three years of my teenage life. Never had a prom, never had a graduation, don&#8217;t have a real alma mater I can mention anywhere. I have one friend left from those times, and she says she still has bad dreams of it, too.</p>
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		<title>By: WoodGas1</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/05/pedagogyofthedepressed.html#comment-1623824</link>
		<dc:creator>WoodGas1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Public schools are not a paradise for &quot;weird kids&quot; either. When I was 4 yrs. I old got my cerebral cortex reset by Naegleria fowleri. Thanks to heroic doses of antibiotics and the wonderful plasticity of young nervous tissue I eventually recovered. Like you I took to books, dangerous things, those. My textbooks were all finished the first week of every school year, abyssal boredom followed, But, in a large student body, quiet cells are ignored if they test well, more books. The persons that &quot;corrected&quot; your behavior (real or perceived) were adults (putatively) and trained (perhaps at boot camp). In public schools this is largely left to other students. Imagine the repercussions that would attend an honest question like &quot;wouldn&#039;t communism be a good way to govern if the people in charge were honest?&quot; (or democracy for that matter). When my friends were heading to college, I didn&#039;t &quot;re-enlist&quot; my self education has done me no harm that I am aware of, but then, I wouldn&#039;t be would I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public schools are not a paradise for &#8220;weird kids&#8221; either. When I was 4 yrs. I old got my cerebral cortex reset by Naegleria fowleri. Thanks to heroic doses of antibiotics and the wonderful plasticity of young nervous tissue I eventually recovered. Like you I took to books, dangerous things, those. My textbooks were all finished the first week of every school year, abyssal boredom followed, But, in a large student body, quiet cells are ignored if they test well, more books. The persons that &#8220;corrected&#8221; your behavior (real or perceived) were adults (putatively) and trained (perhaps at boot camp). In public schools this is largely left to other students. Imagine the repercussions that would attend an honest question like &#8220;wouldn&#8217;t communism be a good way to govern if the people in charge were honest?&#8221; (or democracy for that matter). When my friends were heading to college, I didn&#8217;t &#8220;re-enlist&#8221; my self education has done me no harm that I am aware of, but then, I wouldn&#8217;t be would I?</p>
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		<title>By: helenaglory</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/05/pedagogyofthedepressed.html#comment-1623796</link>
		<dc:creator>helenaglory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a short stint in a psychiatric hospital in my youth, and I hope you understand that it&#039;s very hard to see this when you&#039;re on &quot;the other side.&quot;

The fact of the matter is, I was legitimately traumatized by an experience in an institution that was supposed to help me. Were there good people there? Yes. Do I think that anyone working there was inherently evil? No. Eventually, I did get the help I needed, and it came from doctors and other professionals that include individuals who could very well be much like Mike Weber. 

But what I see (and what I suspect Anthony sees as well) when an employee of these institutions comes to the comment section of a post criticizing the state of mental health facilities to defend themselves and their co-workers is someone who is willing to speak up and defend themselves, but not the people (children! mentally ill children!) who they are supposed to care so much about. 

Part of that is absolutely irrational. I don&#039;t know if this individual is the type of person to quickly take away &quot;privileges&quot; like fresh air, or if they are willing to turn a blind eye when someone violates the &quot;no touching rule&quot; to keep back a more genuinely uncontrollable individual who lunged at them.

I asked for help and what I got was a jail, barred windows and all. I was punished for my illness though a point system, very similar to the one described above. I was silenced--any complaints or dissent was an argument against you, particularly if you seemed in any way emotional. 

Comments like cmdcarrot&#039;s are silencing. It is so very troubling to think that someone could read the above essay and not see the issue in telling someone to &quot;get off their high horse&quot; when they criticize a comment, from a biased source, saying that most people in a position of power over marginalized individuals Really Do Care. That could very well be true, but it&#039;s a derailment. Those who are affected by the abusive or uncaring individuals (that the original commenter acknowledges!) don&#039;t need to make a fuss about the decent human beings that were also there. (even though this author does!) 

I can understand the frustration experienced by someone who feels vilified, but I don&#039;t see any benefit in shutting down a discussion of the idea that maybe these dedicated individuals just aren&#039;t doing that great of a job, or that there could still be room for improvement. If you&#039;re really so dedicated, and so passionate about helping people in need, you should be open to criticism that might help you do your job better. You should care about the HUGE TREMENDOUS ABUSES that exist in your industry. You should focus more on the issue than the presentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a short stint in a psychiatric hospital in my youth, and I hope you understand that it&#8217;s very hard to see this when you&#8217;re on &#8220;the other side.&#8221;</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is, I was legitimately traumatized by an experience in an institution that was supposed to help me. Were there good people there? Yes. Do I think that anyone working there was inherently evil? No. Eventually, I did get the help I needed, and it came from doctors and other professionals that include individuals who could very well be much like Mike Weber. </p>
<p>But what I see (and what I suspect Anthony sees as well) when an employee of these institutions comes to the comment section of a post criticizing the state of mental health facilities to defend themselves and their co-workers is someone who is willing to speak up and defend themselves, but not the people (children! mentally ill children!) who they are supposed to care so much about. </p>
<p>Part of that is absolutely irrational. I don&#8217;t know if this individual is the type of person to quickly take away &#8220;privileges&#8221; like fresh air, or if they are willing to turn a blind eye when someone violates the &#8220;no touching rule&#8221; to keep back a more genuinely uncontrollable individual who lunged at them.</p>
<p>I asked for help and what I got was a jail, barred windows and all. I was punished for my illness though a point system, very similar to the one described above. I was silenced&#8211;any complaints or dissent was an argument against you, particularly if you seemed in any way emotional. </p>
<p>Comments like cmdcarrot&#8217;s are silencing. It is so very troubling to think that someone could read the above essay and not see the issue in telling someone to &#8220;get off their high horse&#8221; when they criticize a comment, from a biased source, saying that most people in a position of power over marginalized individuals Really Do Care. That could very well be true, but it&#8217;s a derailment. Those who are affected by the abusive or uncaring individuals (that the original commenter acknowledges!) don&#8217;t need to make a fuss about the decent human beings that were also there. (even though this author does!) </p>
<p>I can understand the frustration experienced by someone who feels vilified, but I don&#8217;t see any benefit in shutting down a discussion of the idea that maybe these dedicated individuals just aren&#8217;t doing that great of a job, or that there could still be room for improvement. If you&#8217;re really so dedicated, and so passionate about helping people in need, you should be open to criticism that might help you do your job better. You should care about the HUGE TREMENDOUS ABUSES that exist in your industry. You should focus more on the issue than the presentation.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/05/pedagogyofthedepressed.html#comment-1623576</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 16:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Most people agree with that right up to the point that they find their views being edited out, or some other &#039;objectionable&#039; point of view being promoted.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Almost inevitably when my comments are deleted I&#039;m either fairly &lt;em&gt;grateful&lt;/em&gt; to the mods for having deleted a stupid comment or I at least understand why it was deleted.  When the mods express opinions I don&#039;t take that as those opinions being &quot;promoted&quot;, I see it as individuals with opinions expressing those opinions.&lt;blockquote&gt; To claim otherwise would be to suggest that an off-duty cop, in 
uniform, is speaking personally and not invoking police authority unless he specifically says &quot;BTW I&#039;m speaking as a cop.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is just stupid.  It&#039;s a problem when cops abuse authority because they&#039;re functionaries of civil government which is supposed to represent and protect all citizens.  What you&#039;re talking about is moderators on a &lt;em&gt;private&lt;/em&gt; blog -- and since it&#039;s private it&#039;s run however the owners/editors/bloggers/mods want it to be run.  Moderators are part of the community (obviously), they have opinions, and they&#039;re allowed to express those opinions -- whether or not you think this is somehow &quot;unjust&quot; (it&#039;s not) those are the house rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Most people agree with that right up to the point that they find their views being edited out, or some other &#8216;objectionable&#8217; point of view being promoted.</p></blockquote>
<p>Almost inevitably when my comments are deleted I&#8217;m either fairly <em>grateful</em> to the mods for having deleted a stupid comment or I at least understand why it was deleted.  When the mods express opinions I don&#8217;t take that as those opinions being &#8220;promoted&#8221;, I see it as individuals with opinions expressing those opinions.<br />
<blockquote> To claim otherwise would be to suggest that an off-duty cop, in<br />
uniform, is speaking personally and not invoking police authority unless he specifically says &#8220;BTW I&#8217;m speaking as a cop.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This is just stupid.  It&#8217;s a problem when cops abuse authority because they&#8217;re functionaries of civil government which is supposed to represent and protect all citizens.  What you&#8217;re talking about is moderators on a <em>private</em> blog &#8212; and since it&#8217;s private it&#8217;s run however the owners/editors/bloggers/mods want it to be run.  Moderators are part of the community (obviously), they have opinions, and they&#8217;re allowed to express those opinions &#8212; whether or not you think this is somehow &#8220;unjust&#8221; (it&#8217;s not) those are the house rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Zell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Zell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 05:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compared to my family background,. they where god damned millionaires.  </description>
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		<title>By: cmdcarrot</title>
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		<dc:creator>cmdcarrot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 04:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The internet allows anonymity. Anonymity allows a person&#039;s true self to come out. What someone does alone, behind the safety of their computer screen, says more about them than how they act when actually in front of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The internet allows anonymity. Anonymity allows a person&#8217;s true self to come out. What someone does alone, behind the safety of their computer screen, says more about them than how they act when actually in front of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 03:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t trust anyone BECAUSE everyone says you can&#039;t trust anyone.  This kind of reasoning is everywhere - &quot;yeah, I agree with you, but nobody else will because they&#039;re not as good as me.&quot;  Maybe we&#039;re just conditioned as a society to imagine strangers as an &quot;other&quot; who&#039;s much less compassionate than ourselves.  It&#039;s a self-reinforcing judgement, but the opposite is too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t trust anyone BECAUSE everyone says you can&#8217;t trust anyone.  This kind of reasoning is everywhere &#8211; &#8220;yeah, I agree with you, but nobody else will because they&#8217;re not as good as me.&#8221;  Maybe we&#8217;re just conditioned as a society to imagine strangers as an &#8220;other&#8221; who&#8217;s much less compassionate than ourselves.  It&#8217;s a self-reinforcing judgement, but the opposite is too.</p>
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		<title>By: dmc10</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/05/pedagogyofthedepressed.html#comment-1622658</link>
		<dc:creator>dmc10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 17:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow... I&#039;m used to moderators here focusing on tone and civility, not being so biased and making knee-jerk judgments. cmdcarrot&#039;s remarks were appropriate, Anthony made a blanket, stereotyping remark about an entire class of educators. Perhaps he has some bad personal experiences, I don&#039;t know, but the remark was wildly off base.

I get into similar arguments all the time regarding medicine. My wife is a physician, and I get annoyed when people on comment boards go off on doctors as being money grubbing pill pushers, conspiracy theories about doc and pharm companies, blah blah blah. Knowing what she went through (12+ yrs of school/training,  grueling 100 hr weeks in a hospital during residency, crap pay, etc), I do vehemently defend her and her profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; I&#8217;m used to moderators here focusing on tone and civility, not being so biased and making knee-jerk judgments. cmdcarrot&#8217;s remarks were appropriate, Anthony made a blanket, stereotyping remark about an entire class of educators. Perhaps he has some bad personal experiences, I don&#8217;t know, but the remark was wildly off base.</p>
<p>I get into similar arguments all the time regarding medicine. My wife is a physician, and I get annoyed when people on comment boards go off on doctors as being money grubbing pill pushers, conspiracy theories about doc and pharm companies, blah blah blah. Knowing what she went through (12+ yrs of school/training,  grueling 100 hr weeks in a hospital during residency, crap pay, etc), I do vehemently defend her and her profession.</p>
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		<title>By: Amelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 10:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fear  of the students and/or adult patients, like cathym describes, is a huge contributing factor to harsh discipline, excessive restraint, and abuses of power. If the staff believes that they must keep the students &quot;in control&quot;  at all times in order for the staff to maintain their own safety, abuse may easily become justifiable as the means to a safe and orderly environment for the staff. I think describing the restraint administration procedure as a &quot;hassle&quot; &quot;mind-boggling&quot; and &quot;to be documented ad nauseum&quot; strongly reflects the power dynamic of the controllers and the controlled. The controlled are forcibly isolated, physically handled, and restrained against their will while the controllers want sympathy and gratitude for having to do some extra paperwork. If the staff is power-hungry, who will report it and to whom? Even if the controlled students wanted to speak-up about their experience, the word of teachers, therapists, and administrative staff is deemed to be more credible than a student with a mental illness diagnosis, behavior issues or anti-social tendencies. If a staff member sees cruelty done by another staff member, as cathym describes, how many report it and how many chalk it up to bad deeds done for the good cause of maintaining control? I hate to quote Star Wars, but fear of losing control leads to anger that authority is defied, and the anger leads to hateful acts and cruel behavior by the controllers towards the powerless and vulnerable people under their control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fear  of the students and/or adult patients, like cathym describes, is a huge contributing factor to harsh discipline, excessive restraint, and abuses of power. If the staff believes that they must keep the students &#8220;in control&#8221;  at all times in order for the staff to maintain their own safety, abuse may easily become justifiable as the means to a safe and orderly environment for the staff. I think describing the restraint administration procedure as a &#8221;hassle&#8221; &#8220;mind-boggling&#8221; and &#8220;to be documented ad nauseum&#8221; strongly reflects the power dynamic of the controllers and the controlled. The controlled are forcibly isolated, physically handled, and restrained against their will while the controllers want sympathy and gratitude for having to do some extra paperwork. If the staff is power-hungry, who will report it and to whom? Even if the controlled students wanted to speak-up about their experience, the word of teachers, therapists, and administrative staff is deemed to be more credible than a student with a mental illness diagnosis, behavior issues or anti-social tendencies. If a staff member sees cruelty done by another staff member, as cathym describes, how many report it and how many chalk it up to bad deeds done for the good cause of maintaining control? I hate to quote Star Wars, but fear of losing control leads to anger that authority is defied, and the anger leads to hateful acts and cruel behavior by the controllers towards the powerless and vulnerable people under their control.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 05:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, then I misunderstood. I assumed a memoir even one where names/places were changed and publish anonymously was still considered a memoir. I see what you are saying about a memoir length piece being impossible to keep your anonymity. You might be surprised though, many people will wrongly think you are talking about someone THEY knew. There might be so many people claiming to know the author&#039;s true identity that it might help to keep the reality a secret. Most important, do what helps you heal. I wish you well in what ever paths you take. But if you do write somewhere else anonymously or otherwise, be sure and keep BB posted so we can follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, then I misunderstood. I assumed a memoir even one where names/places were changed and publish anonymously was still considered a memoir. I see what you are saying about a memoir length piece being impossible to keep your anonymity. You might be surprised though, many people will wrongly think you are talking about someone THEY knew. There might be so many people claiming to know the author&#8217;s true identity that it might help to keep the reality a secret. Most important, do what helps you heal. I wish you well in what ever paths you take. But if you do write somewhere else anonymously or otherwise, be sure and keep BB posted so we can follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Reilly</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/05/pedagogyofthedepressed.html#comment-1622272</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 05:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly that &quot;break the child&#039;s will&quot; crap is alive and well in many conservative religious homes.</description>
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		<title>By: Andy Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 05:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OtherMichael didn&#039;t miss the point. Read the thread. It&#039;s suddenly about &quot;normals&quot; vs &quot;us&quot;. And let the accusations fly! YOU&#039;RE an interloper because you&#039;re not one of &quot;US&quot;! &quot;Well, not ALL &quot;normals&quot; are bad...&quot; Are you kidding me? awjt stated it outright. &quot;Normals are cruel&quot;. Pretty clear to me. Funny how THAT particular bit of bigotry is A-OK. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OtherMichael didn&#8217;t miss the point. Read the thread. It&#8217;s suddenly about &#8220;normals&#8221; vs &#8220;us&#8221;. And let the accusations fly! YOU&#8217;RE an interloper because you&#8217;re not one of &#8220;US&#8221;! &#8220;Well, not ALL &#8220;normals&#8221; are bad&#8230;&#8221; Are you kidding me? awjt stated it outright. &#8220;Normals are cruel&#8221;. Pretty clear to me. Funny how THAT particular bit of bigotry is A-OK. </p>
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		<title>By: pedagogyofthedepressed</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedagogyofthedepressed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 04:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I wasn&#039;t clear: I only intend to changes location names / pronouns. I just call it creative nonfiction because it&#039;s focused on my experiences, rather than a purely journalistic piece that you&#039;d see in say, the NYT.

The problem is for a memoir length piece, it becomes rather easy for someone to figure out who I am. I am an expert in privacy and anonymity. It takes more than just changing everyone&#039;s names to make something like that anonymous - hell, figuring out how to publish my memoir anonymously could be a PhD thesis in itself.

I am seriously considering doing a book once I finish my doctorate. But right now, I don&#039;t know how to move to that point. This piece was edited quite a lot by Rob. I am a skilled scientific writer, but I&#039;d need a great editor or ghostwriter to write a whole book.

I don&#039;t mean to discount you - I appreciate your comments. Trust me - I have thought about all this many times, many nights.

If I knew a way to anonymously write a book, I&#039;d do it. I might wait a few years, but I&#039;d do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I wasn&#8217;t clear: I only intend to changes location names / pronouns. I just call it creative nonfiction because it&#8217;s focused on my experiences, rather than a purely journalistic piece that you&#8217;d see in say, the NYT.</p>
<p>The problem is for a memoir length piece, it becomes rather easy for someone to figure out who I am. I am an expert in privacy and anonymity. It takes more than just changing everyone&#8217;s names to make something like that anonymous &#8211; hell, figuring out how to publish my memoir anonymously could be a PhD thesis in itself.</p>
<p>I am seriously considering doing a book once I finish my doctorate. But right now, I don&#8217;t know how to move to that point. This piece was edited quite a lot by Rob. I am a skilled scientific writer, but I&#8217;d need a great editor or ghostwriter to write a whole book.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to discount you &#8211; I appreciate your comments. Trust me &#8211; I have thought about all this many times, many nights.</p>
<p>If I knew a way to anonymously write a book, I&#8217;d do it. I might wait a few years, but I&#8217;d do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 04:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So where do you draw the line in being &quot;creative&quot; with your non-fiction? How big a detail can you exaggerate and still be non-fiction? Psycho was based on a book that was based on a real serial killer. Does that make the movie Psycho creative non-fiction? It&#039;s one thing to tell a factual story in a literary style that is more commonly used in fiction rather than straight journalism. But I don&#039;t consider Burroughs in that realm. I don&#039;t doubt that some of what he said was true, but I also don&#039;t doubt that he made up some important parts just because they sold a better story. Again, I think you can write a memoir and be factually accurate without it being boring. But let&#039;s take David Sedaris as an example of creative non-fiction. We all know that Sedaris has certainly exaggerated many things in his writing about his family. Why doesn&#039;t it really matter in his case? Because he is writing comedy. There is a huge line separating humor and accusations of wrong doing. It&#039;s one thing to include someone in your comedy routine, it&#039;s a whole other thing to accuse them of a crime. Burroughs exaggerated enough to make it unclear if he was making up just the black humor parts or the implications of possible criminal acts. I fully encourage you to write about your experiences. But keep it to what you believe to be the truth, and do it anonymously if you fear repercussions. Write an actual memoir. If you really want to see a change in the system or inspire others in similar situations, I would think only truth would serve that purpose. Sounds like you don&#039;t need to make up any of the bad stuff. 

&quot;I&#039;m sure that any book that expressed  anything about the mental health establishment except a desire to kiss the posterior of every member of my support time would probably be greeted with scorn and derision by a vast majority of &quot;expert&quot; talking heads.&quot;

Well, there you&#039;ve already decided how your book would be received. But it&#039;s not the majority of &quot;expert&quot; talking heads you&#039;re aiming at, is it? It&#039;s the &quot;normals&quot; as they called by others in this comment thread (with quite a bit of derision) who obviously know nothing about your situation, and those possibly in similar situations (or their families) who you might inspire. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So where do you draw the line in being &#8220;creative&#8221; with your non-fiction? How big a detail can you exaggerate and still be non-fiction? Psycho was based on a book that was based on a real serial killer. Does that make the movie Psycho creative non-fiction? It&#8217;s one thing to tell a factual story in a literary style that is more commonly used in fiction rather than straight journalism. But I don&#8217;t consider Burroughs in that realm. I don&#8217;t doubt that some of what he said was true, but I also don&#8217;t doubt that he made up some important parts just because they sold a better story. Again, I think you can write a memoir and be factually accurate without it being boring. But let&#8217;s take David Sedaris as an example of creative non-fiction. We all know that Sedaris has certainly exaggerated many things in his writing about his family. Why doesn&#8217;t it really matter in his case? Because he is writing comedy. There is a huge line separating humor and accusations of wrong doing. It&#8217;s one thing to include someone in your comedy routine, it&#8217;s a whole other thing to accuse them of a crime. Burroughs exaggerated enough to make it unclear if he was making up just the black humor parts or the implications of possible criminal acts. I fully encourage you to write about your experiences. But keep it to what you believe to be the truth, and do it anonymously if you fear repercussions. Write an actual memoir. If you really want to see a change in the system or inspire others in similar situations, I would think only truth would serve that purpose. Sounds like you don&#8217;t need to make up any of the bad stuff. </p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m sure that any book that expressed  anything about the mental health establishment except a desire to kiss the posterior of every member of my support time would probably be greeted with scorn and derision by a vast majority of &#8220;expert&#8221; talking heads.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, there you&#8217;ve already decided how your book would be received. But it&#8217;s not the majority of &#8220;expert&#8221; talking heads you&#8217;re aiming at, is it? It&#8217;s the &#8220;normals&#8221; as they called by others in this comment thread (with quite a bit of derision) who obviously know nothing about your situation, and those possibly in similar situations (or their families) who you might inspire. </p>
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		<title>By: awjt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/05/pedagogyofthedepressed.html#comment-1622241</link>
		<dc:creator>awjt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 03:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That happens to me too, and I&#039;ve learned to love him, too.  But not as much, truth be told!  Sorry dude, gotta draw the line somewhere!!!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That happens to me too, and I&#8217;ve learned to love him, too.  But not as much, truth be told!  Sorry dude, gotta draw the line somewhere!!!  :)</p>
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		<title>By: noah django</title>
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		<dc:creator>noah django</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 01:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ﾁｬｳ(･_･ 三･_･)ﾁｬｳ </description>
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		<title>By: Erica_JS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erica_JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 01:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point of this article is not the dedication or motivation of individual staff.  It is that the entire institution was structured around discipline, punishment, and control, rather than education - and that this is an all too common approach to handling kids who are different in any way.  

There may well have been teachers and staff at &quot;Northwoods&quot; who tried their best to educate and help the kids despite the constraints of the system (but not too much lest they too be pegged as troublemakers and lose their jobs.)  That in no way excuses the cruelty and waste of human talent inherent in the system itself.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of this article is not the dedication or motivation of individual staff.  It is that the entire institution was structured around discipline, punishment, and control, rather than education &#8211; and that this is an all too common approach to handling kids who are different in any way.  </p>
<p>There may well have been teachers and staff at &#8220;Northwoods&#8221; who tried their best to educate and help the kids despite the constraints of the system (but not too much lest they too be pegged as troublemakers and lose their jobs.)  That in no way excuses the cruelty and waste of human talent inherent in the system itself.  </p>
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		<title>By: techsupp0rt</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 00:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true, most are good and have the children&#039;s best interests in mind. However, if you see these things and do not report them, or at least make an effort to make it not happen again, you are enabling it to continue. Trying to protect your colleagues at the expense of the students is as big of a problem as the actual abuse itself, because it WILL continue if you don&#039;t do something about it. There are lots of teachers who will report the bad ones, but there is an alarming number of those who will simply turn their head and pretend it&#039;s not happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true, most are good and have the children&#8217;s best interests in mind. However, if you see these things and do not report them, or at least make an effort to make it not happen again, you are enabling it to continue. Trying to protect your colleagues at the expense of the students is as big of a problem as the actual abuse itself, because it WILL continue if you don&#8217;t do something about it. There are lots of teachers who will report the bad ones, but there is an alarming number of those who will simply turn their head and pretend it&#8217;s not happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 23:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ADHD helps with multitasking? Not for me it doesn&#039;t. I change gears like a manual with a bad clutch.

But I agree with your point. I&#039;m a &quot;maker&quot;. I&#039;m constantly trying new things, and figuring stuff out. Sure, my ADD gives me problems (I don&#039;t have the &quot;H&quot;), but I wouldn&#039;t trade it if it meant I lost the &quot;look at the shiny!&quot; impulse that leads me to learn and discover. There are careers where this is an advantage. If only I could find one...

But yeah. Neurodiversity exists. We need to draw a line between &quot;different&quot; and &quot;more trouble than it&#039;s worth.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ADHD helps with multitasking? Not for me it doesn&#8217;t. I change gears like a manual with a bad clutch.</p>
<p>But I agree with your point. I&#8217;m a &#8220;maker&#8221;. I&#8217;m constantly trying new things, and figuring stuff out. Sure, my ADD gives me problems (I don&#8217;t have the &#8220;H&#8221;), but I wouldn&#8217;t trade it if it meant I lost the &#8220;look at the shiny!&#8221; impulse that leads me to learn and discover. There are careers where this is an advantage. If only I could find one&#8230;</p>
<p>But yeah. Neurodiversity exists. We need to draw a line between &#8220;different&#8221; and &#8220;more trouble than it&#8217;s worth.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/05/pedagogyofthedepressed.html#comment-1622126</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 23:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s so crazy, getting a diagnosis just so you can get help, even if it&#039;s a misdiagnosis. I can see how it happens, if only because a) we don&#039;t know everything about how people work, so we may know something&#039;s wrong without understanding *what*, and b) bureaucracy requires that we have a &quot;reason&quot; for everything, and in too many cases, are not allowed to use our own judgement.

If that&#039;s what it takes to get the help a person needs, then I&#039;m glad he&#039;s getting that help!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s so crazy, getting a diagnosis just so you can get help, even if it&#8217;s a misdiagnosis. I can see how it happens, if only because a) we don&#8217;t know everything about how people work, so we may know something&#8217;s wrong without understanding *what*, and b) bureaucracy requires that we have a &#8220;reason&#8221; for everything, and in too many cases, are not allowed to use our own judgement.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s what it takes to get the help a person needs, then I&#8217;m glad he&#8217;s getting that help!</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/05/pedagogyofthedepressed.html#comment-1622070</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 22:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you! &lt;3  But, it&#039;s probably only because Antinous graciously edits out many of my most inane, rambling rants.</description>
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		<title>By: lysdexia</title>
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		<dc:creator>lysdexia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still get chills when I hear &quot;Awwwwfercyauuut&quot;! (&quot;Oh! For Cute!&quot;) After which, the Central Scrutinizer is engaged and all is tears. Minnesota. *brrr*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still get chills when I hear &#8220;Awwwwfercyauuut&#8221;! (&#8220;Oh! For Cute!&#8221;) After which, the Central Scrutinizer is engaged and all is tears. Minnesota. *brrr*</p>
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		<title>By: pedagogyofthedepressed</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedagogyofthedepressed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Creative nonfiction is a legitimate discipline. (Think Tom Wolfe&#039;s &quot;The Right Stuff&quot; or Capote&#039;s &quot;In Cold Blood&quot;.)

The different between creative nonfiction and nonfiction, in my opinion, is a focus on the subjective. There are a lot of things about my experience that are subjective, and can&#039;t be verified by a traditional fact checker.

Maybe Burroughs exaggerated or changed his story. But I could also see where someone, painted in a negative light, would loudly renounce any claim that cannot be proven nor disproven. I could also see a peer group (such a staff at an alternative school, or members of a family), may collectively remember events in a different light. (Similar to the code of silence exhibited in most US police departments - we simply don&#039;t understand what it&#039;s like to be a cop, and anything short of a mass execution should be excused because &quot;you weren&#039;t THERE mannnn&quot;)

Hell, I already saw two people in this comment thread, on a quite counter-culture blog, who walked in, noted their credentials, and proceeded to condescendingly explain that restraining children who are not being violent just doesn&#039;t happen. I&#039;m sure that any book that expressed  anything about the mental health establishment except a desire to kiss the posterior of every member of my support time would probably be greeted with scorn and derision by a vast majority of &quot;expert&quot; talking heads.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creative nonfiction is a legitimate discipline. (Think Tom Wolfe&#8217;s &#8220;The Right Stuff&#8221; or Capote&#8217;s &#8220;In Cold Blood&#8221;.)</p>
<p>The different between creative nonfiction and nonfiction, in my opinion, is a focus on the subjective. There are a lot of things about my experience that are subjective, and can&#8217;t be verified by a traditional fact checker.</p>
<p>Maybe Burroughs exaggerated or changed his story. But I could also see where someone, painted in a negative light, would loudly renounce any claim that cannot be proven nor disproven. I could also see a peer group (such a staff at an alternative school, or members of a family), may collectively remember events in a different light. (Similar to the code of silence exhibited in most US police departments &#8211; we simply don&#8217;t understand what it&#8217;s like to be a cop, and anything short of a mass execution should be excused because &#8220;you weren&#8217;t THERE mannnn&#8221;)</p>
<p>Hell, I already saw two people in this comment thread, on a quite counter-culture blog, who walked in, noted their credentials, and proceeded to condescendingly explain that restraining children who are not being violent just doesn&#8217;t happen. I&#8217;m sure that any book that expressed  anything about the mental health establishment except a desire to kiss the posterior of every member of my support time would probably be greeted with scorn and derision by a vast majority of &#8220;expert&#8221; talking heads.</p>
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		<title>By: jackbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parent can&#039;t visit 7-year old at school because HIPAA?  Rings alarm bells.</description>
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		<title>By: dan7000</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/05/pedagogyofthedepressed.html#comment-1621841</link>
		<dc:creator>dan7000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to second Mike&#039;s comment.  I have worked in the area of special ed law - representing parents and students and advocates including my own son - on an occasional basis for a number of years and in a number of jurisdictions in multiple states.  I&#039;ve also had my son in special ed in 3 different school districts in Minnesota and California.  And I read a lot of cases from across the country.  

My impression is that the quality of special ed instruction varies a lot based on where you are.  There are definitely districts where a lot of teachers are disinterested and unhelpful.  Other districts, like San Francisco in particular, seem to attract highly educated, highly motivated teachers who could have chosen many other professions but choose to work hard for students about whom they really care.  I suspect that you would find the extremes on both ends in specialized institutions, since the institution is somewhat shielded and thus lends itself to developing an insular culture of either extreme dedication (see, e.g. Gallaudet) or extreme cruelty (e.g. Rotenberg).  

This is one reason that specialized institutions should be done away with.  As other commenters here have pointed out, the IDEA requires education in the general population to the greatest extent possible.  Districts flout that requirement constantly, but they are quick to back down if you call them on it.  Kids should be in regular classrooms if at all possible, and otherwise in special day classes in a typical, local school.  Behavior issues are not a reason to shuffle kids off to an institution or to lock them in a closet - they are an indication that the kid needs additional help that they&#039;re not getting.  That help should be provided, again, in the general education population as much as possible.  

Beyond making sure that kids are educated in the least restrictive environment like the law requires, I&#039;m not sure how districts best ensure they are encouraging a culture of bright, dedicated and committed special ed teachers.  But I know it&#039;s possible because I&#039;ve seen it.  It sounds like Mike is from one of the good districts.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to second Mike&#8217;s comment.  I have worked in the area of special ed law &#8211; representing parents and students and advocates including my own son &#8211; on an occasional basis for a number of years and in a number of jurisdictions in multiple states.  I&#8217;ve also had my son in special ed in 3 different school districts in Minnesota and California.  And I read a lot of cases from across the country.  </p>
<p>My impression is that the quality of special ed instruction varies a lot based on where you are.  There are definitely districts where a lot of teachers are disinterested and unhelpful.  Other districts, like San Francisco in particular, seem to attract highly educated, highly motivated teachers who could have chosen many other professions but choose to work hard for students about whom they really care.  I suspect that you would find the extremes on both ends in specialized institutions, since the institution is somewhat shielded and thus lends itself to developing an insular culture of either extreme dedication (see, e.g. Gallaudet) or extreme cruelty (e.g. Rotenberg).  </p>
<p>This is one reason that specialized institutions should be done away with.  As other commenters here have pointed out, the IDEA requires education in the general population to the greatest extent possible.  Districts flout that requirement constantly, but they are quick to back down if you call them on it.  Kids should be in regular classrooms if at all possible, and otherwise in special day classes in a typical, local school.  Behavior issues are not a reason to shuffle kids off to an institution or to lock them in a closet &#8211; they are an indication that the kid needs additional help that they&#8217;re not getting.  That help should be provided, again, in the general education population as much as possible.  </p>
<p>Beyond making sure that kids are educated in the least restrictive environment like the law requires, I&#8217;m not sure how districts best ensure they are encouraging a culture of bright, dedicated and committed special ed teachers.  But I know it&#8217;s possible because I&#8217;ve seen it.  It sounds like Mike is from one of the good districts.</p>
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		<title>By: dan7000</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/05/pedagogyofthedepressed.html#comment-1621825</link>
		<dc:creator>dan7000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony, do you have any idea what you&#039;re talking about?  or any experience in this area?  It&#039;s really something to paint everybody who works in a particular field as child abusers.  As someone who has considerable exposure to special ed teachers, I assure you that&#039;s not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony, do you have any idea what you&#8217;re talking about?  or any experience in this area?  It&#8217;s really something to paint everybody who works in a particular field as child abusers.  As someone who has considerable exposure to special ed teachers, I assure you that&#8217;s not the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Welcome to Capitalism</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/05/pedagogyofthedepressed.html#comment-1621754</link>
		<dc:creator>Welcome to Capitalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 16:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Idobe -- look up &quot;rainforest minds.&quot; You totally have one.

This &quot;associative memory&quot; is exactly what I have -- it&#039;s like every topic is a Wikipedia page where every word is a link to another page and I can cascade through ALL of them at the same time while the topic&#039;s on. 

You&#039;re not broken. You&#039;re just a rainforest in a world full of deserts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Idobe &#8212; look up &#8220;rainforest minds.&#8221; You totally have one.</p>
<p>This &#8220;associative memory&#8221; is exactly what I have &#8212; it&#8217;s like every topic is a Wikipedia page where every word is a link to another page and I can cascade through ALL of them at the same time while the topic&#8217;s on. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re not broken. You&#8217;re just a rainforest in a world full of deserts.</p>
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		<title>By: OtherMichael</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/05/pedagogyofthedepressed.html#comment-1621723</link>
		<dc:creator>OtherMichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She probably wears one of those crazy helmets and rides the shortbus! What a freak!

Let&#039;s pour her juicebox down her sweatshirt, that&#039;ll get a laugh from the rest of our buddies, right?!!!


I find it somewhat ironic that in a thread about poor treatment of people with communication issues, there is poor treatment of people who communicate here for the first-time.</description>
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<p>Let&#8217;s pour her juicebox down her sweatshirt, that&#8217;ll get a laugh from the rest of our buddies, right?!!!</p>
<p>I find it somewhat ironic that in a thread about poor treatment of people with communication issues, there is poor treatment of people who communicate here for the first-time.</p>
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