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	<title>Comments on: What we can learn from&#160;psychopaths</title>
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		<title>By: jimmoffet</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/07/what-we-can-learn-from-psychop.html#comment-1623404</link>
		<dc:creator>jimmoffet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 05:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Success here is defined as staying alive until reproductive age and producing many offspring with a high likelyhood of achieving the same. 

I think it&#039;s fascinating and gratifying that there&#039;s an obvious and overwhelming selection pressure toward people who don&#039;t put their own interests ahead of others. 
I think you&#039;d actually have a really hard time drawing line of causation across the &quot;web of trust&quot; from traits that engender empathy to genetic success. You end up having to argue from the equilibrium of complex systems, which resists generalization. making a case of the success of apathic genes is far more straightforward.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Success here is defined as staying alive until reproductive age and producing many offspring with a high likelyhood of achieving the same. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s fascinating and gratifying that there&#8217;s an obvious and overwhelming selection pressure toward people who don&#8217;t put their own interests ahead of others. <br />
I think you&#8217;d actually have a really hard time drawing line of causation across the &#8220;web of trust&#8221; from traits that engender empathy to genetic success. You end up having to argue from the equilibrium of complex systems, which resists generalization. making a case of the success of apathic genes is far more straightforward.</p>
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		<title>By: FoolishOwl</title>
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		<dc:creator>FoolishOwl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 02:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The traits favor &quot;success&quot; in the sense of social dominance, which is parasitic upon human communities in general. Most of us depend upon cooperation and webs of trust to survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The traits favor &#8220;success&#8221; in the sense of social dominance, which is parasitic upon human communities in general. Most of us depend upon cooperation and webs of trust to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: FoolishOwl</title>
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		<dc:creator>FoolishOwl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s just my humanist biases slipping through again, but I do like to believe that our abilities to remember, reflect, think, and feel may have some value, even if our present social organization would prefer we were more mechanical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just my humanist biases slipping through again, but I do like to believe that our abilities to remember, reflect, think, and feel may have some value, even if our present social organization would prefer we were more mechanical.</p>
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		<title>By: FoolishOwl</title>
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		<dc:creator>FoolishOwl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 01:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That fragment of an interview rather reinforces my impression that the author&#039;s premise is entirely ass-backwards. Most of those &quot;positive traits&quot; have long struck me as really negative traits, whose positive social valuation is a major social problem. To find that psychopaths possess these &quot;positive traits&quot; ought to lead one to question whether those &quot;positive traits&quot; really are good things.

To my mind, being filled with self-doubt, feeling pained at failures, perpetually questioning one&#039;s own beliefs and actions, are the prerequisites for being a good human being. In a world full of suffering and oppression, if you&#039;re always happy and confident, you&#039;re probably one of those responsible for the suffering and oppression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That fragment of an interview rather reinforces my impression that the author&#8217;s premise is entirely ass-backwards. Most of those &#8220;positive traits&#8221; have long struck me as really negative traits, whose positive social valuation is a major social problem. To find that psychopaths possess these &#8220;positive traits&#8221; ought to lead one to question whether those &#8220;positive traits&#8221; really are good things.</p>
<p>To my mind, being filled with self-doubt, feeling pained at failures, perpetually questioning one&#8217;s own beliefs and actions, are the prerequisites for being a good human being. In a world full of suffering and oppression, if you&#8217;re always happy and confident, you&#8217;re probably one of those responsible for the suffering and oppression.</p>
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		<title>By: FoolishOwl</title>
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		<dc:creator>FoolishOwl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 01:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mindfulness as you&#039;re describing it sounds a lot like what I&#039;ve thought of as totality in dialetical thought. Famously, it&#039;s a struggle to separate the rational aspects of dialectical thought from Hegelian mysticism, but it still seems to me it should be possible, and would be valuable to do so.

It often seems like psychologists recognize material insights in spiritual beliefs, point this out, and then stand there with big grins, waiting for applause, blissfully unaware that the real intellectual work hasn&#039;t even started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mindfulness as you&#8217;re describing it sounds a lot like what I&#8217;ve thought of as totality in dialetical thought. Famously, it&#8217;s a struggle to separate the rational aspects of dialectical thought from Hegelian mysticism, but it still seems to me it should be possible, and would be valuable to do so.</p>
<p>It often seems like psychologists recognize material insights in spiritual beliefs, point this out, and then stand there with big grins, waiting for applause, blissfully unaware that the real intellectual work hasn&#8217;t even started.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmoffet</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/07/what-we-can-learn-from-psychop.html#comment-1622991</link>
		<dc:creator>jimmoffet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like half of the premise is undoubtedly true, that we could all stand to  &quot;turn up&quot; a few of the dials get maxed out in psychopaths, while the other half of the premise, that we can learn how to do this from psychopaths, is undoubtedly false. 

The principle feature of psychopathy is a lack of empathy. The principle reason that we have those &quot;knobs&quot; turned a little low is because we are striking a balance between our own self-interest and that of others. 

Psychopaths are last people you would want to ask for advice on how to most effectively consider the interests of others and arrange them in a harmonious balance with your own. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like half of the premise is undoubtedly true, that we could all stand to  &#8221;turn up&#8221; a few of the dials get maxed out in psychopaths, while the other half of the premise, that we can learn how to do this from psychopaths, is undoubtedly false. </p>
<p>The principle feature of psychopathy is a lack of empathy. The principle reason that we have those &#8220;knobs&#8221; turned a little low is because we are striking a balance between our own self-interest and that of others. </p>
<p>Psychopaths are last people you would want to ask for advice on how to most effectively consider the interests of others and arrange them in a harmonious balance with your own. </p>
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		<title>By: jimmoffet</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmoffet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 20:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the more interesting question is why it occupies such a small percentage of the gene pool. All of traits psychopathy engenders can be directly linked to success. 

Somewhere in the nebulous web of indirect causation, there&#039;s a selective pressure toward empathetic traits in individuals. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the more interesting question is why it occupies such a small percentage of the gene pool. All of traits psychopathy engenders can be directly linked to success. </p>
<p>Somewhere in the nebulous web of indirect causation, there&#8217;s a selective pressure toward empathetic traits in individuals. </p>
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		<title>By: BunnyShank</title>
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		<dc:creator>BunnyShank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What strikes me is, why did he not try to synchronize himself with the Dalai Lama and see what that change felt like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What strikes me is, why did he not try to synchronize himself with the Dalai Lama and see what that change felt like?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Bennett</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/07/what-we-can-learn-from-psychop.html#comment-1622517</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks ...

But I&#039;m curious to know why you would not want to read it? (As in - you&#039;re obviously interested enough in the subject to comment on the article.) (Not trying to pitch or sell the book, just wondering.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks &#8230;</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m curious to know why you would not want to read it? (As in &#8211; you&#8217;re obviously interested enough in the subject to comment on the article.) (Not trying to pitch or sell the book, just wondering.)</p>
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		<title>By: TheMudshark</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheMudshark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 13:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don´t forget Whitney Houston&#039;s debut LP, called simply Whitney Houston. It&#039;s hard to choose a favorite among so many great tracks, but &quot;The Greatest Love of All&quot; is one of the best, most powerful songs ever written about self-preservation, dignity. Its universal message crosses all boundaries and instills one with the hope that it&#039;s not too late to better ourselves. Since, unclemike, it&#039;s impossible in this world we live in to empathize with others, we can always empathize with ourselves. It&#039;s an important message, crucial really. And it&#039;s beautifully stated on the album.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don´t forget Whitney Houston&#8217;s debut LP, called simply Whitney Houston. It&#8217;s hard to choose a favorite among so many great tracks, but &#8220;The Greatest Love of All&#8221; is one of the best, most powerful songs ever written about self-preservation, dignity. Its universal message crosses all boundaries and instills one with the hope that it&#8217;s not too late to better ourselves. Since, unclemike, it&#8217;s impossible in this world we live in to empathize with others, we can always empathize with ourselves. It&#8217;s an important message, crucial really. And it&#8217;s beautifully stated on the album.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/07/what-we-can-learn-from-psychop.html#comment-1622127</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 23:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha!

Your comment just gave me an excuse to put out a song I made called &quot;&lt;b&gt;NOW&lt;/b&gt;&quot; on soundcloud:

https://soundcloud.com/cowicide/now

The samples in it I think apply to your comment.  ^_^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha!</p>
<p>Your comment just gave me an excuse to put out a song I made called &#8220;<b>NOW</b>&#8221; on soundcloud:</p>
<p><a href="https://soundcloud.com/cowicide/now" rel="nofollow">https://soundcloud.com/cowicide/now</a></p>
<p>The samples in it I think apply to your comment.  ^_^</p>
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		<title>By: BunnyShank</title>
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		<dc:creator>BunnyShank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Psychopaths have a conglomeration of very positive traits that they use in everyday life. I mean, psychopaths are assertive, psychopaths don&#039;t procrastinate, psychopaths focus on the positives of situations. They don&#039;t take things personally. They don&#039;t beat themselves up when things go wrong. They don&#039;t overly criticize themselves. And of course they are very cool under pressure. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Yes, yes. The same is true of viruses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Psychopaths have a conglomeration of very positive traits that they use in everyday life. I mean, psychopaths are assertive, psychopaths don&#8217;t procrastinate, psychopaths focus on the positives of situations. They don&#8217;t take things personally. They don&#8217;t beat themselves up when things go wrong. They don&#8217;t overly criticize themselves. And of course they are very cool under pressure. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, yes. The same is true of viruses.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...&quot;focus on the present&quot;: That&#039;s dumb. Isn&#039;t that where credit card debt and divorce come from?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Precisely the contrary.  Credit card debt comes from throwing your bills under the bed unread because the sun&#039;ll come out tomorrow, you can bet your bottom dollar.  Besides its philosophical connotations, focusing on the present is extremely practical and task-oriented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;&#8221;focus on the present&#8221;: That&#8217;s dumb. Isn&#8217;t that where credit card debt and divorce come from?</p></blockquote>
<p>Precisely the contrary.  Credit card debt comes from throwing your bills under the bed unread because the sun&#8217;ll come out tomorrow, you can bet your bottom dollar.  Besides its philosophical connotations, focusing on the present is extremely practical and task-oriented.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/07/what-we-can-learn-from-psychop.html#comment-1622016</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of zen, why on earth did you use 500 character search strings (now cleaned up) as links?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of zen, why on earth did you use 500 character search strings (now cleaned up) as links?</p>
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		<title>By: James Penrose</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/07/what-we-can-learn-from-psychop.html#comment-1622009</link>
		<dc:creator>James Penrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bit of irony visiting nut cases in locked wards and prisons to talk to them about their success and wisdom.

Maybe the follow-up book will interview the homeless for economic tips or junkies for advice on self-control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit of irony visiting nut cases in locked wards and prisons to talk to them about their success and wisdom.</p>
<p>Maybe the follow-up book will interview the homeless for economic tips or junkies for advice on self-control.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/07/what-we-can-learn-from-psychop.html#comment-1622007</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...it appears to be a premise conceived to cash in on people&#039;s natural interest in psychopaths.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Are psychopaths the new Shark Week?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;it appears to be a premise conceived to cash in on people&#8217;s natural interest in psychopaths.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are psychopaths the new Shark Week?</p>
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		<title>By: Thaddeus McKracken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thaddeus McKracken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than try to explain a very complex subject in a comment thread, here are some of my favorite practical written introductions to the subjects. With mindfulness, actual experience with the practices and skills involved is much more important than a cognitive understanding so each of the books below is a jumping point to actual practice. 

This is one of the best written introductions to mindfulness from  a non-clinical perspective I have found: 
http://www.urbandharma.org/pdf/mindfulness_in_plain_english.pdf

If you are looking for an approach to specifically treat something like anxiety, the Mindfulness and Acceptance Workbook for Anxiety is excellent. Also, for a more general clinical intro the Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction Workbook is also a very good introduction. Both workbooks come with meditation CDs which is a help if you do not have someone around to teach you the practices. 

If meditation is not your thing, any book on Acceptance and Commitment Therapy by Russ Harris is different approach to coming to understand the processes that make up mindfulness through exercises and metaphors rather than extended periods of meditation. 

If you find you like these books, I highly recommend finding a meditation instructor or therapist skilled in these approaches. Ask around for recommendations, like any profession there are honest and skilled practitioners and there are quacks! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than try to explain a very complex subject in a comment thread, here are some of my favorite practical written introductions to the subjects. With mindfulness, actual experience with the practices and skills involved is much more important than a cognitive understanding so each of the books below is a jumping point to actual practice. </p>
<p>This is one of the best written introductions to mindfulness from  a non-clinical perspective I have found:<br />
<a href="http://www.urbandharma.org/pdf/mindfulness_in_plain_english.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.urbandharma.org/pdf/mindfulness_in_plain_english.pdf</a></p>
<p>If you are looking for an approach to specifically treat something like anxiety, the Mindfulness and Acceptance Workbook for Anxiety is excellent. Also, for a more general clinical intro the Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction Workbook is also a very good introduction. Both workbooks come with meditation CDs which is a help if you do not have someone around to teach you the practices. </p>
<p>If meditation is not your thing, any book on Acceptance and Commitment Therapy by Russ Harris is different approach to coming to understand the processes that make up mindfulness through exercises and metaphors rather than extended periods of meditation. </p>
<p>If you find you like these books, I highly recommend finding a meditation instructor or therapist skilled in these approaches. Ask around for recommendations, like any profession there are honest and skilled practitioners and there are quacks! </p>
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		<title>By: dethbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>dethbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 20:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a self-described psychopath I am always frustrated when people don&#039;t listen to me. But now I can lord this scientific finding over people. Yessssss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a self-described psychopath I am always frustrated when people don&#8217;t listen to me. But now I can lord this scientific finding over people. Yessssss.</p>
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		<title>By: desiredusername</title>
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		<dc:creator>desiredusername</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 20:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was hoping this would take a more scientific tack by asking, on the assumption that psychopathy is at least partially genetic or epigenetic, why it has remained in the gene pool. I think the answer would probably be something along the lines of expressing the advantage of having someone in your tribe that is motivated to attain greater levels of power and influence than had even previously existed. Such a person can amass resources and create a bureaucratic social structure that can then be inherited by more compassionate individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping this would take a more scientific tack by asking, on the assumption that psychopathy is at least partially genetic or epigenetic, why it has remained in the gene pool. I think the answer would probably be something along the lines of expressing the advantage of having someone in your tribe that is motivated to attain greater levels of power and influence than had even previously existed. Such a person can amass resources and create a bureaucratic social structure that can then be inherited by more compassionate individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: awjt</title>
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		<dc:creator>awjt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent! I am honestly glad that you enjoyed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent! I am honestly glad that you enjoyed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sirkowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sirkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Self-help book; no thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: paulcarcosa</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 19:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point of the whole article is that
mindfulness and mindless hedonism might not be that different after
all. At least that&#039;s how I understand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of the whole article is that<br />
mindfulness and mindless hedonism might not be that different after<br />
all. At least that&#8217;s how I understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: dmc10</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/07/what-we-can-learn-from-psychop.html#comment-1621854</link>
		<dc:creator>dmc10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can we learn? That you can use them to sell books with ridiculous titles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can we learn? That you can use them to sell books with ridiculous titles?</p>
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		<title>By: bkad</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/07/what-we-can-learn-from-psychop.html#comment-1621852</link>
		<dc:creator>bkad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what Markus meant either, but as someone who doesn&#039;t know what mindfulness is, I had a similar gut reaction to &quot;focus on the present&quot;: That&#039;s dumb. Isn&#039;t that where credit card debt and divorce come from? That can&#039;t possibly be what people mean by mindfulness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what Markus meant either, but as someone who doesn&#8217;t know what mindfulness is, I had a similar gut reaction to &#8220;focus on the present&#8221;: That&#8217;s dumb. Isn&#8217;t that where credit card debt and divorce come from? That can&#8217;t possibly be what people mean by mindfulness.</p>
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		<title>By: bkad</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/07/what-we-can-learn-from-psychop.html#comment-1621847</link>
		<dc:creator>bkad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When I hear lines like that, it always makes me feel like someone is hoping I&#039;ll just take whatever they say in hopes of seeming wise. I wonder where that puts me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;It reminds me a game I used to play with my Christian friends, which ultimately increased (rather than decreased) my skepticism: bible balderdash. We&#039;d take turns making up fake bible verses, mixing them with real ones, and having the other players guess which were real and which were fake. It was disturbingly easy to fool each other, and we were insiders, presumably sensitive to what was and wasn&#039;t authentic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When I hear lines like that, it always makes me feel like someone is hoping I&#8217;ll just take whatever they say in hopes of seeming wise. I wonder where that puts me.</p></blockquote>
<p>It reminds me a game I used to play with my Christian friends, which ultimately increased (rather than decreased) my skepticism: bible balderdash. We&#8217;d take turns making up fake bible verses, mixing them with real ones, and having the other players guess which were real and which were fake. It was disturbingly easy to fool each other, and we were insiders, presumably sensitive to what was and wasn&#8217;t authentic.</p>
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		<title>By: bkad</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/07/what-we-can-learn-from-psychop.html#comment-1621844</link>
		<dc:creator>bkad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The traits listed aren&#039;t what I would consider (as a lay person) to be exclusively sociopathic traits. Being assertive, goal-focused, and resistant to criticism would certainly help with relationships, which require hard work and a self-image that is resistant to set-backs. But it would be hard to advocate for a complete lack of empathy, usually associated with sociopathy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The traits listed aren&#8217;t what I would consider (as a lay person) to be exclusively sociopathic traits. Being assertive, goal-focused, and resistant to criticism would certainly help with relationships, which require hard work and a self-image that is resistant to set-backs. But it would be hard to advocate for a complete lack of empathy, usually associated with sociopathy.</p>
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		<title>By: bkad</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/07/what-we-can-learn-from-psychop.html#comment-1621837</link>
		<dc:creator>bkad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. Perhaps you can help a little more... I just read the whole wikipedia article on mindfulness and was left having little idea what it is. I was getting the impression mindfullness was &#039;metacognition&#039;, being aware of what you are thinking about at a point in time and trying to exert some self control of that. But I don&#039;t understand what that has to do with feeling good about yourself, or being present focused rather than future focused, or non judgmental.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Perhaps you can help a little more&#8230; I just read the whole wikipedia article on mindfulness and was left having little idea what it is. I was getting the impression mindfullness was &#8216;metacognition&#8217;, being aware of what you are thinking about at a point in time and trying to exert some self control of that. But I don&#8217;t understand what that has to do with feeling good about yourself, or being present focused rather than future focused, or non judgmental.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Bennett</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/07/what-we-can-learn-from-psychop.html#comment-1621838</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not? I met the author at a book reading event and he&#039;s a clever guy, a good speaker, and a compelling writer. I enjoyed the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not? I met the author at a book reading event and he&#8217;s a clever guy, a good speaker, and a compelling writer. I enjoyed the book.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, I simply cannot see where the inferences you guys are making from Markus&#039; comment are coming from.  I responded to the comment as written.  There are good reasons to believe some approaches to &quot;living in the today&quot; actually do constitute wisdom, although I agree with you that there are certain approaches to &quot;living in the today&quot; that do not.  

Since none of us can read Markus&#039; mind it may make more sense to let him respond if he cares to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I simply cannot see where the inferences you guys are making from Markus&#8217; comment are coming from.  I responded to the comment as written.  There are good reasons to believe some approaches to &#8220;living in the today&#8221; actually do constitute wisdom, although I agree with you that there are certain approaches to &#8220;living in the today&#8221; that do not.  </p>
<p>Since none of us can read Markus&#8217; mind it may make more sense to let him respond if he cares to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try looking at one of Chuck Close&#039;s portraits up-close and then again far away.  When you&#039;re up close you can see the details but they don&#039;t seem to make any sense and don&#039;t fit together in any obvious way.  When you step back you can see them resolve into a face.  He paints these because he&#039;s &quot;face blind&quot; -- he can see the details of a face but he can&#039;t put it together into a coherent whole except by seeing it as a sort of abstract design.

All of us are &quot;world blind&quot;.  We can see the details but it&#039;s tough to step back far enough to get them to fit together into a whole.  Adding more details -- more description, more words -- just makes it more difficult to unite all the details as part of the same whole.

You&#039;re screwing yourself up by putting &quot;that which cannot be described&quot; into the &quot;concept&quot; bucket -- which is essentially a description.  So you&#039;re right in some sense; there are probably no concepts that cannot be described in words.  What cannot be described is not a concept.  Another riddle for you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try looking at one of Chuck Close&#8217;s portraits up-close and then again far away.  When you&#8217;re up close you can see the details but they don&#8217;t seem to make any sense and don&#8217;t fit together in any obvious way.  When you step back you can see them resolve into a face.  He paints these because he&#8217;s &#8220;face blind&#8221; &#8212; he can see the details of a face but he can&#8217;t put it together into a coherent whole except by seeing it as a sort of abstract design.</p>
<p>All of us are &#8220;world blind&#8221;.  We can see the details but it&#8217;s tough to step back far enough to get them to fit together into a whole.  Adding more details &#8212; more description, more words &#8212; just makes it more difficult to unite all the details as part of the same whole.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re screwing yourself up by putting &#8220;that which cannot be described&#8221; into the &#8220;concept&#8221; bucket &#8212; which is essentially a description.  So you&#8217;re right in some sense; there are probably no concepts that cannot be described in words.  What cannot be described is not a concept.  Another riddle for you.</p>
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