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	<title>Comments on: Expert witness describes Aaron Swartz&#039;s&#160;&quot;crimes&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1629344</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you tell me where you learned this stuff about suicide?  Because in my admittedly limited experience particular events can absolutely trigger suicides.  I&#039;m thinking about one case in particular where the person in question was in somewhat less legal trouble than Aaron Swartz.

Are you just saying that not everyone is the sort of person who commits suicide?  Because that&#039;s actually not relevant to whether Swartz&#039; legal troubles drove him to it.  Thousands or even millions of depressed people &lt;em&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; commit suicide, so by your own argument depression can&#039;t be the cause of suicide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you tell me where you learned this stuff about suicide?  Because in my admittedly limited experience particular events can absolutely trigger suicides.  I&#8217;m thinking about one case in particular where the person in question was in somewhat less legal trouble than Aaron Swartz.</p>
<p>Are you just saying that not everyone is the sort of person who commits suicide?  Because that&#8217;s actually not relevant to whether Swartz&#8217; legal troubles drove him to it.  Thousands or even millions of depressed people <em>don&#8217;t</em> commit suicide, so by your own argument depression can&#8217;t be the cause of suicide.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1629342</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I think you&#039;ve pretty much nailed in in your last sentence there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I think you&#8217;ve pretty much nailed in in your last sentence there.</p>
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		<title>By: ocker3</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1629051</link>
		<dc:creator>ocker3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 03:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I can&#039;t reply to your comment below. He did it because it was there, a challenge, a puzzle, it meant something to him to beat it. Yes, there are benefits to many people for having this information publically available, perhaps he was stopped before his overall plan was possible to achieve, but perhaps his motivation was simply &quot;I have a cool idea, let&#039;s try it&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I can&#8217;t reply to your comment below. He did it because it was there, a challenge, a puzzle, it meant something to him to beat it. Yes, there are benefits to many people for having this information publically available, perhaps he was stopped before his overall plan was possible to achieve, but perhaps his motivation was simply &#8220;I have a cool idea, let&#8217;s try it&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: retchdog</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1628478</link>
		<dc:creator>retchdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, i&#039;m aware of the quotation and its history. what&#039;s the relevance?

it doesn&#039;t really make sense for issues of social justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, i&#8217;m aware of the quotation and its history. what&#8217;s the relevance?</p>
<p>it doesn&#8217;t really make sense for issues of social justice.</p>
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		<title>By: awjt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1627519</link>
		<dc:creator>awjt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, they haven&#039;t won.  There are plenty more freedom-fighters, where I come from.  Aaron Swartz didn&#039;t die in vain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, they haven&#8217;t won.  There are plenty more freedom-fighters, where I come from.  Aaron Swartz didn&#8217;t die in vain.</p>
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		<title>By: ocker3</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1627512</link>
		<dc:creator>ocker3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Many years ago the great British explorer George Mallory, who was to die on Mount Everest, was asked why did he want to climb it. He said, &#039;Because it is there.&#039; &quot; 

JFK - during his speech launching the USA&#039;s effort to put a man on the moon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Many years ago the great British explorer George Mallory, who was to die on Mount Everest, was asked why did he want to climb it. He said, &#8216;Because it is there.&#8217; &#8221; </p>
<p>JFK &#8211; during his speech launching the USA&#8217;s effort to put a man on the moon</p>
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		<title>By: ADavies</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1627476</link>
		<dc:creator>ADavies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JSTOR (the supposedly injured party) wasn&#039;t even interested in criminal charges.  Looks to me like the government saw a chance to make an example out of someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JSTOR (the supposedly injured party) wasn&#8217;t even interested in criminal charges.  Looks to me like the government saw a chance to make an example out of someone.</p>
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		<title>By: PHIL BREWER</title>
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		<dc:creator>PHIL BREWER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;what he did might be worth 50 days of community service&quot;

Every day of Aaron&#039;s teen and adult life was a day of community service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;what he did might be worth 50 days of community service&#8221;</p>
<p>Every day of Aaron&#8217;s teen and adult life was a day of community service.</p>
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		<title>By: Madeline Ashby</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1627427</link>
		<dc:creator>Madeline Ashby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 05:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They did take it to civil court. Aaron settled with MIT and JSTOR; JSTOR repudiated the charges, but MIT didn&#039;t. This left a door open for Ortiz to press criminal charges. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They did take it to civil court. Aaron settled with MIT and JSTOR; JSTOR repudiated the charges, but MIT didn&#8217;t. This left a door open for Ortiz to press criminal charges. </p>
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		<title>By: Girard</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1627410</link>
		<dc:creator>Girard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 04:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For folks interested, there is a White House petition for the removal of Massachussetts State DA Carmen Ortiz in light of this news:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-united-states-district-attorney-carmen-ortiz-office-overreach-case-aaron-swartz/RQNrG1Ck

While justice is perhaps too much to expect, enough signatures would at least require to government to come out and make a public statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For folks interested, there is a White House petition for the removal of Massachussetts State DA Carmen Ortiz in light of this news:</p>
<p><a href="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-united-states-district-attorney-carmen-ortiz-office-overreach-case-aaron-swartz/RQNrG1Ck" rel="nofollow">https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-united-states-district-attorney-carmen-ortiz-office-overreach-case-aaron-swartz/RQNrG1Ck</a></p>
<p>While justice is perhaps too much to expect, enough signatures would at least require to government to come out and make a public statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Sasha@librtee</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1627411</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasha@librtee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 04:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, you&#039;re right. It was not a productive or on point comment, I retract it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, you&#8217;re right. It was not a productive or on point comment, I retract it.</p>
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		<title>By: Girard</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1627406</link>
		<dc:creator>Girard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 04:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every comment and story mentions in the abstract the &quot;overzealous prosecutor&quot; padding their resume by relentlessly pursuing legal action against this poor kid... Do we not know the names of this person/these people? Are state prosecutors protected by anonymity? I wish we had some names, so these people could be rightly and publicly shamed and stigmatized - and their careers and reputation jeopardized, by their irresponsible-yet-effective actions rather than them quietly and anonymously enjoying this macabre &#039;victory.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every comment and story mentions in the abstract the &#8220;overzealous prosecutor&#8221; padding their resume by relentlessly pursuing legal action against this poor kid&#8230; Do we not know the names of this person/these people? Are state prosecutors protected by anonymity? I wish we had some names, so these people could be rightly and publicly shamed and stigmatized &#8211; and their careers and reputation jeopardized, by their irresponsible-yet-effective actions rather than them quietly and anonymously enjoying this macabre &#8216;victory.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: GlyphGryph</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1627330</link>
		<dc:creator>GlyphGryph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought you meant here, in this case and situation. Yes, he&#039;d done it before for different document.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought you meant here, in this case and situation. Yes, he&#8217;d done it before for different document.</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1627326</link>
		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don&#039;t politicize X&quot; is a defensive tell that X is highly vulnerable to political influence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t politicize X&#8221; is a defensive tell that X is highly vulnerable to political influence.</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1627323</link>
		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent a week in jail once. It was by far the worst experience of my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent a week in jail once. It was by far the worst experience of my life.</p>
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		<title>By: Sasha@librtee</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1627298</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasha@librtee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trespass charge was dropped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trespass charge was dropped.</p>
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		<title>By: social_maladroit</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1627288</link>
		<dc:creator>social_maladroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not criticizing MIT&#039;s decision to keep their network open. Nor am I criticizing the actions of Aaron Swartz (I rather like his &quot;information likes to be free&quot; philosophy, and admire his technical skills and his risk-taking.)

What I&#039;m saying is that there are steps MIT could have taken &lt;i&gt;if they didn&#039;t want this kind of thing to happen in the first place&lt;/i&gt;, and it might be a good idea to take those steps if you, as a network administrator, don&#039;t want to be put in the position of having to decide whether to contact the authorities, &lt;i&gt;prior&lt;/i&gt; to it actually happening.

Once you &quot;turn someone in&quot; to the authorities, you don&#039;t have much, if any, control over how they handle the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not criticizing MIT&#8217;s decision to keep their network open. Nor am I criticizing the actions of Aaron Swartz (I rather like his &#8220;information likes to be free&#8221; philosophy, and admire his technical skills and his risk-taking.)</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m saying is that there are steps MIT could have taken <i>if they didn&#8217;t want this kind of thing to happen in the first place</i>, and it might be a good idea to take those steps if you, as a network administrator, don&#8217;t want to be put in the position of having to decide whether to contact the authorities, <i>prior</i> to it actually happening.</p>
<p>Once you &#8220;turn someone in&#8221; to the authorities, you don&#8217;t have much, if any, control over how they handle the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: acb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1627284</link>
		<dc:creator>acb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were he sentenced to 30-50 years in prison, Aaron would have fulfilled his role as the tarred corpse in the gibbet alongside the information superhighway, a grim warning to any potential information superhighwaymen who might have ideas of fucking with intellectual property laws.  Dead, he fulfils the same role.  The DOJ and JSTOR have won, in a way they might not have done so in a courtroom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were he sentenced to 30-50 years in prison, Aaron would have fulfilled his role as the tarred corpse in the gibbet alongside the information superhighway, a grim warning to any potential information superhighwaymen who might have ideas of fucking with intellectual property laws.  Dead, he fulfils the same role.  The DOJ and JSTOR have won, in a way they might not have done so in a courtroom.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Mander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Mander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the thing that gets me, that I don&#039;t see people bringing up:  The supposedly injured parties were perfectly free to pursue Swarz in civil court if they felt they had suffered losses as a result of his actions. Instead he was hounded like Al fucking Capone. Lessig called this one perfectly: the prosecution&#039;s sense of proportion is absolutely missing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the thing that gets me, that I don&#8217;t see people bringing up:  The supposedly injured parties were perfectly free to pursue Swarz in civil court if they felt they had suffered losses as a result of his actions. Instead he was hounded like Al fucking Capone. Lessig called this one perfectly: the prosecution&#8217;s sense of proportion is absolutely missing. </p>
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		<title>By: ocschwar</title>
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		<dc:creator>ocschwar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not going to go at length about why it is that MIT keeps the barn door open. There are reasons. It&#039;s not a frivolous thing.

But I will say that even if I had closed things down further, Mr. Swartz could still have gone in (he had the know how) and I would STILL want to know that that authorities would not use more legal muscle than necessary. 

&quot;Chances are that you can tell the difference between someone downloading copies of documents, vs. someone &quot;cleaning out people&#039;s bank accounts&quot; or &quot;relaying kiddie porn.&quot;&quot;

Actually, these days no. Not before catching him. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to go at length about why it is that MIT keeps the barn door open. There are reasons. It&#8217;s not a frivolous thing.</p>
<p>But I will say that even if I had closed things down further, Mr. Swartz could still have gone in (he had the know how) and I would STILL want to know that that authorities would not use more legal muscle than necessary. </p>
<p>&#8220;Chances are that you can tell the difference between someone downloading copies of documents, vs. someone &#8220;cleaning out people&#8217;s bank accounts&#8221; or &#8220;relaying kiddie porn.&#8221;"</p>
<p>Actually, these days no. Not before catching him. </p>
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		<title>By: beforewepost</title>
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		<dc:creator>beforewepost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quote Cory&#039;s original post:

&gt;The post-Reddit era in Aaron&#039;s life was really his coming of age. His stunts were breathtaking. At one point, he singlehandedly liberated 20 percent of US law. PACER, the system that gives Americans access to their own (public domain) case-law, charged a fee for each such access. After activists built RECAP (which allowed its users to put any caselaw they paid for into a free/public repository), Aaron spent a small fortune fetching a titanic amount of data and putting it into the public domain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quote Cory&#8217;s original post:</p>
<p>&gt;The post-Reddit era in Aaron&#8217;s life was really his coming of age. His stunts were breathtaking. At one point, he singlehandedly liberated 20 percent of US law. PACER, the system that gives Americans access to their own (public domain) case-law, charged a fee for each such access. After activists built RECAP (which allowed its users to put any caselaw they paid for into a free/public repository), Aaron spent a small fortune fetching a titanic amount of data and putting it into the public domain.</p>
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		<title>By: social_maladroit</title>
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		<dc:creator>social_maladroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the article:
&lt;blockquote&gt;MIT operates an extraordinarily open network. Very few campus networks offer you a routable public IP address via unauthenticated DHCP and then lack even basic controls to prevent abuse. Very few captured portals on wired networks allow registration by any visitor, nor can they be easily bypassed by just assigning yourself an IP address. In fact, in my 12 years of professional security work I have never seen a network this open.&lt;/blockquote&gt;More from the article:
&lt;blockquote&gt;In the spirit of the MIT ethos, the Institute runs this open, unmonitored and unrestricted network on purpose. Their head of network security admitted as much in an interview Aaron’s attorneys and I conducted in December. MIT is aware of the controls they could put in place to prevent what they consider abuse, such as downloading too many PDFs from one website or utilizing too much bandwidth, but they choose not to.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Yet even more from the article:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I cannot speak as to the criminal implications of accessing an unlocked closet on an open campus, one which was also used to store personal effects by a homeless man. I would note that trespassing charges were dropped against Aaron and were not part of the Federal case.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;ve never been a network administrator, but it seems obvious that MIT (and you) could prevent people from what you consider unauthorized access to your network by implementing policies and controls against said unauthorized access in the first place. And by keeping your utility closets locked.

In other words, instead of wringing your hands over the possibility of ruining someone&#039;s life, why don&#039;t you do the equivalent of locking the barn door before the horse is gone.

[Edit] Not to mention, you could also stop to analyse what your &quot;intruder&quot; was doing on your network. Chances are that you can tell the difference between someone downloading copies of documents, vs. someone &quot;cleaning out people&#039;s bank accounts&quot; or &quot;relaying kiddie porn.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the article:</p>
<blockquote><p>MIT operates an extraordinarily open network. Very few campus networks offer you a routable public IP address via unauthenticated DHCP and then lack even basic controls to prevent abuse. Very few captured portals on wired networks allow registration by any visitor, nor can they be easily bypassed by just assigning yourself an IP address. In fact, in my 12 years of professional security work I have never seen a network this open.</p></blockquote>
<p>More from the article:</p>
<blockquote><p>In the spirit of the MIT ethos, the Institute runs this open, unmonitored and unrestricted network on purpose. Their head of network security admitted as much in an interview Aaron’s attorneys and I conducted in December. MIT is aware of the controls they could put in place to prevent what they consider abuse, such as downloading too many PDFs from one website or utilizing too much bandwidth, but they choose not to.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yet even more from the article:</p>
<blockquote><p>I cannot speak as to the criminal implications of accessing an unlocked closet on an open campus, one which was also used to store personal effects by a homeless man. I would note that trespassing charges were dropped against Aaron and were not part of the Federal case.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been a network administrator, but it seems obvious that MIT (and you) could prevent people from what you consider unauthorized access to your network by implementing policies and controls against said unauthorized access in the first place. And by keeping your utility closets locked.</p>
<p>In other words, instead of wringing your hands over the possibility of ruining someone&#8217;s life, why don&#8217;t you do the equivalent of locking the barn door before the horse is gone.</p>
<p>[Edit] Not to mention, you could also stop to analyse what your &#8220;intruder&#8221; was doing on your network. Chances are that you can tell the difference between someone downloading copies of documents, vs. someone &#8220;cleaning out people&#8217;s bank accounts&#8221; or &#8220;relaying kiddie porn.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: euansmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>euansmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such a shame. </description>
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		<title>By: dmc10</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/13/expert-witness-describes-aaron.html#comment-1627144</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a tinfoil hat wearer, but I think you&#039;re being naive. The DOJ aggressively supported SOPA (and similar bills), as they&#039;d directly benefit from it, and money and corporations DO talk -- by that I&#039;m talking about music/media conglomerates, and the DOJ has repeatedly lined up behind the corporations when it comes to our archaic patent and trademark system.

I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if there was some &#039;we&#039;ll show this little fucker&#039; attitude coming from the DOJ, you yourself claim he pushed back and mention &quot;blind arrogance... telling the investigators to fuck off.&quot; which I have not read anywhere, but if that&#039;s the case, the egos and arrogance I&#039;ve seen from some higher ups in the &#039;justice&#039; system tells me they wouldn&#039;t take kindly to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a tinfoil hat wearer, but I think you&#8217;re being naive. The DOJ aggressively supported SOPA (and similar bills), as they&#8217;d directly benefit from it, and money and corporations DO talk &#8212; by that I&#8217;m talking about music/media conglomerates, and the DOJ has repeatedly lined up behind the corporations when it comes to our archaic patent and trademark system.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if there was some &#8216;we&#8217;ll show this little fucker&#8217; attitude coming from the DOJ, you yourself claim he pushed back and mention &#8220;blind arrogance&#8230; telling the investigators to fuck off.&#8221; which I have not read anywhere, but if that&#8217;s the case, the egos and arrogance I&#8217;ve seen from some higher ups in the &#8216;justice&#8217; system tells me they wouldn&#8217;t take kindly to that.</p>
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		<title>By: typorrhea</title>
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		<dc:creator>typorrhea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not denying what the DOJ did was uncalled-for but as someone who has lived through a few suicides I think it&#039;s important to note circumstances hardly ever lead healthy people to kill themselves. Depression is the killer here, not the DOJ. We all want to point fingers here and that&#039;s natural after something this senseless. But think a minute: if persecution were all it took to trigger suicide no one would have survived the Holocaust or Darfur.

Things start to make a lot more sense once you realize just how senseless this all is. Looking for logic just delays that realization. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not denying what the DOJ did was uncalled-for but as someone who has lived through a few suicides I think it&#8217;s important to note circumstances hardly ever lead healthy people to kill themselves. Depression is the killer here, not the DOJ. We all want to point fingers here and that&#8217;s natural after something this senseless. But think a minute: if persecution were all it took to trigger suicide no one would have survived the Holocaust or Darfur.</p>
<p>Things start to make a lot more sense once you realize just how senseless this all is. Looking for logic just delays that realization. </p>
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		<title>By: Charlemagne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlemagne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He should have moved to Europe! At least in The Netherlands, by law &quot;downloading&quot; is never illegal. 30 years for downloading stuff? Seems the US penal code is protecting the media industry, destroying &quot;irrelevant&quot; human lives in its path, or at least boosting prosecutor careers the &quot;easy way&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He should have moved to Europe! At least in The Netherlands, by law &#8220;downloading&#8221; is never illegal. 30 years for downloading stuff? Seems the US penal code is protecting the media industry, destroying &#8220;irrelevant&#8221; human lives in its path, or at least boosting prosecutor careers the &#8220;easy way&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: dmc10</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmc10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet, I have to wonder, if he wasn&#039;t part of the group that successfully led a fight against SOPA, would they still have been so tenacious? JSTOR declined to press charges against him afterall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet, I have to wonder, if he wasn&#8217;t part of the group that successfully led a fight against SOPA, would they still have been so tenacious? JSTOR declined to press charges against him afterall.</p>
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		<title>By: aikimoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>aikimoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was being prosecuted as if he&#039;d committed a much more serious crime than he did commit.  No one is arguing that he wasn&#039;t trespassing, just that he shouldn&#039;t have been prosecuted as if he was doing much, much worse than that.

And if you think that a suicide by a man in his twenties suffering from depression and being unjustly persecuted by a powerful government agency with a history of unjustly persecuting people, &quot;isn&#039;t a tragedy,&quot; well, talk about repugnant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was being prosecuted as if he&#8217;d committed a much more serious crime than he did commit.  No one is arguing that he wasn&#8217;t trespassing, just that he shouldn&#8217;t have been prosecuted as if he was doing much, much worse than that.</p>
<p>And if you think that a suicide by a man in his twenties suffering from depression and being unjustly persecuted by a powerful government agency with a history of unjustly persecuting people, &#8220;isn&#8217;t a tragedy,&#8221; well, talk about repugnant.</p>
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		<title>By: dmc10</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmc10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You DO realize the organization he supposedly wronged decided NOT to pursue charges right? The DOJ did even though JSTOR didn&#039;t ask for it. In juast about all cases when the complainant does that the case is dropped.

&quot;You&#039;re essentially arguing that one white guy with money should really get as much leniency as other white guys with money, which I find a pretty repugnant argument.&quot; What the hell are you smoking? In no way did I say anything remotely like that, please explain how you reached that absurd conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You DO realize the organization he supposedly wronged decided NOT to pursue charges right? The DOJ did even though JSTOR didn&#8217;t ask for it. In juast about all cases when the complainant does that the case is dropped.</p>
<p>&#8220;You&#8217;re essentially arguing that one white guy with money should really get as much leniency as other white guys with money, which I find a pretty repugnant argument.&#8221; What the hell are you smoking? In no way did I say anything remotely like that, please explain how you reached that absurd conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: aikimoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>aikimoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid that day will never come, so long as those ultimately in charge are given unfailing support and accolades despite years of overseeing a system that has destroyed the lives of many innocent people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid that day will never come, so long as those ultimately in charge are given unfailing support and accolades despite years of overseeing a system that has destroyed the lives of many innocent people.</p>
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