Glenn Beck is planning a $2 billion libertarian commune in texas

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  1. Nick Miller says:

    I liked this game better when it was called Bioshock.

  2. Pomfelo says:

    The first thing I thought was RAPTURE!

    I, for one, welcome our new grotesque, stem cell enhanced overlords.

  3. ToMajorTom says:

    Rounding up all the looney birds into one central location sounds like a grand idea to me.

  4. Bevatron Repairman says:

    I can’t imagine anything sillier than trying to get 10,000 libertarians to subject themselves to HOA.

    • Diogenes says:

       But the town meetings will be a hoot. Hopefully they’ll be televised.

    • fuzzyfuzzyfungus says:

      I’m sure that No True Libertarian would subject himself to such; but ‘libertarians’ seem to have a hard-on that just won’t quit for petty authoritarianism and power imbalances, so long as they can be couched in the language of contract…

      In this case, an HOA is basically what happens when you think that ‘zoning’ is fascist but you want control over what color your neighbor’s house is.

      • Benny the Icepick says:

        //In this case, an HOA is basically what happens when you think that ‘zoning’ is fascist but you want control over what color your neighbor is.//
        FTFY

        • R_Young says:

          In all honesty that’s biased  Most libertarians aren’t racist, and they are fine with the occasional hard-working black or asian who through his or her rugged individualism has pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

          Now since these minorities started with considerably less wealth (blacks usually more so than asians), they usually have to work harder, and compromise <2% ish of a given wealthy libertarian community.

          Which suits the libertarians just fine.

          It also justifies a lot of racism.

          • Most libertarians are well aware of the massive injustice that particularly blacks receive, and mostly from governmental systems – criminal justice, public education, public housing, etc.

            I think it’s fair to say that governmental oppression is much more harmful than private discrimination in America today, mostly due to the War on Drugs.Explicit anti-racism is a great reason to be libertarian.

      • It’s not the ‘language of contract,’ it’s the fact that you have a choice whether to sign a contract or not, that you explcitly agree to the terms and have recourse if the contract is broken, and have a choice who to sign a contract with.

        If the government breaks the ‘social contract,’ your options are basically fuck all. Oh yeah, you can vote, and when that doesn’t work wait four years and vote again, and just keep trying it over and over until you die.

        • fuzzyfuzzyfungus says:

          If they showed up more often when a contract of adhesion came up, I’d take that notion more seriously…

          Again, there is no point in denying that the semi-mythical true libertarian is against contracts of adhesion or contracts so overtly one-sided that nobody would sign them if they weren’t effectively mandatory; but the fact that my ‘recourse’ in most commercial contracts is an arbitrator of my enemy’s choice is hardly a major plank on any libertarian platform I’ve seen…

      • wysinwyg says:

         Scratch a libertarian, find an authoritarian.  Or a sucker.

    •  Glenn Speck is not a Libertarian. What ever you are, he’s that.

    • Shane Simmons says:

      Oh, but I’m sure there will be some reason it’s okay. “We’re entering into a private agreement, no one’s forcing us to live here,” they’ll say to themselves.  Heh.

  5. PhosPhorious says:

    Imagine their surprise when they realize they can’t ALL be John Galt.

    If libertraians were willing to shovel their own shit, they wouldn’t be libertarians.

    • septimar says:

      In the book, Galt’s Gulch’s defining characteristic is that everyone works hard. One character, I don’t remember who it was, deliberately flipped burgers before going into the Gulch because he valued honest work.

      It helps to actually read the books you criticize.

      • MrJM says:

        In the book, Galt’s Gulch’s defining characteristic is that everyone is imaginary.

        • septimar says:

          Yes. Yes, they are. You get a cookie.

          • princeminski says:

            Never mind, just buy you a nice-ass doublewide and park it in any trailer park in the Panhandle. You’ll be surrounded by like-minded folks for a fraction of Mr. Beck’s probable fee. Good luck getting them to read a book, though (except, of course, for THE book [and I don't mean ATLAS SHRUGGED]).

          • Preston Sturges says:

            Read the Bible?   These are the people that give the teachers of comparative religion classes fits because they “know” all these things are in the Bible that are really from the John Birch Society, Ben Franklin, Star Trek, and Shakespeare.

          • MrJM says:

            Giving away cookies?!?  

            How will we parasites ever learn?

        • Punchcard says:

          Come on, it is totally plausible that the only thing holding back the invention of invisibility shields, handheld x-ray machines and unlimited clean energy is a 35% marginal tax rate.

      • PhosPhorious says:

        As I recall, there was also a force-field around the Gulch to keep the moochers away.

        And there was no mention of who flipped burgers in the Gulch.

        I’m sure they’ll figure that out.

      • fuzzyfuzzyfungus says:

        The grand fiction of ‘hard work’ vs. ‘laziness’ is not so much that wealth doesn’t require effort (for every degenerate heir, there seem to be ten people working 100 hour weeks despite having enough money to do whatever they want); but that effort is even remotely likely to lead to wealth…

        • Preston Sturges says:

          Having been in various jobs working 65 to 100+ hours a week, none of those jobs led to anything in terms of professional or financial reward.

        • Effort + intelligence does lead to wealth, time and time again through history.

          You can work very hard with a chisel and hammer your whole life reducing a boulder to pebbles, and you won’t be wealthy.

          Likewise, you can work very hard your whole life and McD’s, and you won’t be wealthy.

          But if you work very hard at well thought out pursuits, it’s not a guarantee, but yes, you can become wealthy.

          • wysinwyg says:

            Effort + intelligence does lead to wealth, time and time again through history.

            The question isn’t whether effort plus intelligence ever leads to wealth but whether it consistently leads to wealth and also whether it performs better than other routes to wealth.

            So far, I’m not really convinced unless you define “intelligence” to mean “the ability to make money”.  And then it’s kind of a tautology, isn’t it?

      • Preston Sturges says:

        >>It helps to actually read the books you criticize.

        Except the Beck’s fans are hilariously illiterate and devote much of their time working themselves into a lather about stuff they’ve never read.

        Like the Bible for instance.

        But they should know that atheist Rand would have dropped napalm on Beck’s rally for being the bleating sheep they are.

      • I read the book.  In galt’s gulch everyone received free unlimited energy. If you can do that then your libertarian society might actually work.

        • fuzzyfuzzyfungus says:

          Is there a social theory so overtly dysfunctional that unlimited free energy wouldn’t save it?

          • whycantwejustloveeverybody says:

            uh since quite a lot of the economy is based on oil if there was a sudden introduction of unlimited free energy the economy would collapse

      • whycantwejustloveeverybody says:

        He was flipping burgers because he couldn’t do what he actually wanted to do.( I forget what it was, probably monopolizing an economy) Remember that one guy (one of the many guy in love with that one girl) he worked hard and still ended up stranded on a train while everyone else partied it up in the mountains. That’s what happens to the 99% you don’t get to the promised land.

      • R_Young says:

        Ouch.  Score one for this libertarian, I read PhosPhorious’s comment and cringed a bit.  

        Much as I despise every quark in Ayn’s fanatical ideology, it *is*, as a philosophical system, much more consistent than most.  Nothing is perfect, of course (SS disability checks come to mind), but the Randian dystopia/utopia is remarkably self-justifying and coherent.  

        And may or may not lead itself to sunken cities of madness.

      • wysinwyg says:

        So?

        Really struggling to understand why an imaginary scenario by an inept propagandist should cause me to rethink anything whatsoever that I already know about the real world.

  6. Fantome_NR says:

    lots of luck to ya!

  7. blendergasket says:

    Right, because the Beck set comes up with so many “products and ideas”. Maybe they’ll figure out a way go grow an extra nipple and squeeze their fear and paranoia through it as some sort of drinkable (albeit likely somewhat sour) milk.

  8. Sekino says:

    I’m sure it’s going to be a very diverse society…

  9. schlocktober says:

    Good. We’ll give your jobs to somebody a bit less ideological. Maybe they can get some work done. 

  10. Michael A says:

    He lives in north Irving, which is pretty much as booshy as the Dallas metroplex gets, short of Highland Park or something. The chances of him actually moving to this little commune are about 0, is what i’m trying to say. He’s just a classic carpet-bagger, and now that he’s in good with the rest of the Dallas power structure, he’s cashing in the classic Texas way; Capitalizing on low land prices (due to the neverending drought) to turn some of the acres & acres of fallow former-farmland that surround the metroplex like a giant unending ocean into.. you guessed it.. subdivisions that North Dallas bankers will jump over themselves to offer mortgages on. Thats how this town works. Dallas is just a centralized collection place for all the money that these carpet-baggers suck out of the honest (& desperate) people of the rest of the state. No wonder Mr. Beck has found such a faithful audience and friendly home here in North Dallas. 

    • theophrastvs says:

      precisely.  this endeavor will “fail” and Beck (plus a few select cronies) will walk away with a chunk of chump change (only to decry liberal government intervention if called on any of their obvious grifting)

  11. Diogenes says:

    It’ll be a great place for burglars with all that gold stashed.  No need to worry about alarm systems because their power will go out every time the libertarian Generator-Fuel Committee can’t agree on when to refill the town’s tank.

    • Preston Sturges says:

      Except the “gold” will be those whacky commomerative as-seen-on-tv  “gold clad” electroplated slugs that aren’t worth the effort of hauling away.  it would be comical to see people try to spend those at the 7-11.

  12. MsInformed says:

    Going Galt with a theme park?
    How ridiculous. “GlenBeckistan” for fun & profit.

  13. bardfinn says:

    I hope they have plenty of plants; when we build the dome around them so they won’t be using any air but their own air, they’ll need plenty of oxygen replenishment.

    • AnthonyC says:

      As long as they grow enough food to eat they’ll have enough oxygen to breathe.

      • Flyclops says:

         Do you really expect them to be able to run a farm? That might require them to stop talking out of their ass and actually get down and dirty and, god forbid, work manual labor.

    • wysinwyg says:

       Better yet, we can charge them.  Then we can see if a free market economy can efficiently distribute life itself.

  14. pitkataistelu says:

    Makes for a pretty good premise for a novel that ends in horrible violence, somewhat like Joseph Conrad’s story “An Outpost of Progress”.

    I’m probably underinformed, but I always get the impression people with very distinct ideas about (say) social issues gather under the umbrella of libertarianism. See Julie Borowski’s crazy video.

  15. giantasterisk says:

    My guess is that Beckistan will be a lot more appealing than The Citadel up in Idaho for one rather inane reason –as a Libertarian experiment, they won’t require you to own a gun. Sure, every last one of their potential citizens already owns a gun, but no one TOLD them they had to. This, dear comrades, is the definition of Freedom. Any 4 year old can tell you that.

  16. bardfinn says:

    For extra fun: they must build their Internet infrastructure entirely without recourse to FOSS.
    I suppose they’ll eventually get around to using bang paths, and we’ll get an email (EBCDIC encoded) saying “it was the G-23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate …”

  17. To be economically viable, this community…. er…… neighborhood…. um…..CORPORATION must start with capital generating activities, so expect a Theme Park first, with attractions such as the “Nobody Rides for Free” ride, and “Fight to the Top of the Food Chain”.   A great place for those without a soul, ruthless in exploiting whatever, whoever, whenever available for personal gain.  And really, isn’t that what life’s all about?

    • Jim Saul says:

      Just make sure not to equip any of those rides with a safety net.

      • elusis says:

         Theme park rides uninspected by government safety agencies – what could be more fun?

        • Frankly, I’d rather trust my health on the amusement park rides of a company whose survival depends on their safety than, for instance, food that IS inspected by government agencies (ie, McDonalds, twinkies, etc. etc. etc.)…

          • wysinwyg says:

            amusement park rides of a company whose survival depends on their safety than

            Ride breaks.  Owners claim it’s the fault of the manufacturers.  Manufacturers claim it’s poor upkeep on the part of the owners.  You get stuck with your own medical bills.  Welcome to Libertopia.

          • That’s what we have courts for; or some sort of victim recompensation system. 

            If the ride  breaks, it’s somebody’s fault, and probably both of their fault.

          • wysinwyg says:

            That’s what we have courts for; or some sort of victim recompensation system.

            But who can we trust with that kind of power?

      • Have you ever seen an amusement park ride with a safety net?

        I don’t want to ride a rollercoaster so rickety that the owners see a need to put a net below…

  18. technogeekagain says:

    Can we make it a gated community, with the lock on the outside? (Various SF versions of “coventry” come to mind — if you don’t like our society, fine, go off and found your own but don’t try to inflict it on us.)

    • “inflict it on us” is exactly what statists and progressives want to do. 

      Libertarians want mainly to be left alone; to they extent that they want to ‘infict’ anything on you, it is to remove your power to force your wil on them.

      • wysinwyg says:

        “statist” and “progressive” aren’t synonyms.  If you’re going to play the “no true libertarian” game the way you are the least you could do is show the same sort of respect for points of view that you’re demanding from others.

        Woulda thought a “true libertarian” would know the golden rule by now.

        • Wikipedia: In political science, statism (French: étatisme) is the belief that a government should control either economic or social policy, or both, to some degree. Statism is effectively the opposite of anarchism.I think if a progressive didn’t agree with that, they wouldn’t really be a progressive in the commonly understood meaning of the word. They aren’t synonyms, but progressives fall in the broader purview of statists.

          • wysinwyg says:

            Wikipedia:
            “Progressivism is a general political philosophy advocating or favoring gradual social, political, and economic reform.[1] Modern Progressivism emerged as part of a more general response to the vast social changes brought by industrialization.

            It is left of center in the political spectrum and is to be contrasted with conservatism on the right and the revolutionary left, the former generally resisting changes it advocates and the latter rejecting its gradualism.”

            Weird, I don’t see anything about states or statism in there. I’ll give you a hint. “Reform” doesn’t always mean more government regulation.

  19. Milo says:

    So now Beck is an anarcho-communist? Exactly how does he keep his head from exploding when he speaks?

  20. abstracht says:

    watch “libertarian” glenn beck call for the wall street bailout to be increased from $700 billion to $2 trillion:  http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200909210037

    the man is a fraud and sociopath.

  21. I’m all for this. I like it when people with outlandish views on how things should be get a chance to put them into action. That way we get a concrete datapoint showing how their philosophy doesn’t really work. Get enough of these datapoints together and maybe you can convince the next generation from falling for the same junk. 

    • chenille says:

      It would be a good example if one could imagine for a second such a project would even try to stick to libertarian principles. I’d offer very long odds on Beck doing that.

      Also, we have more than enough data.

      • wysinwyg says:

        Also, we have more than enough data.

        Yes, it’s called “history”.  But libertarians just ignore all the parts that pose an inconvenience to their rationalistic moral theories.

        • Your definition of ‘history’ seems to be western europe, 1950-today. 

          Countries that have been strangled by overactive liberal democratic states, such as India, Argentina, or, yes, modern USA, don’t ever into into this definition of ‘history.’

    • You would hope so, but I’m predicting that their failure will be thrown at whatever outside factors they decide to blame. Also there are probably going to be a ton of people outside the community involved in getting this going, all which they will conveniently ignore when it provides a good talking point.

      • Oh, I agree. I’m sure the people that are currently on board with this idea will blame everything but the failures of their ideology, but I don’t think there is any way you can possibly try to convince the “true believers” of anything. All you can hope for is that enough of these failures and you have less people converted into “true believers” in the future.

    • One of the greatest failures is that of the state, proven time and time again to create wars, crush their economies with debt, and grow larger and larger until they strangle their hosts.

  22. Sarge Misfit says:

    There are a couple of pluses to this.

    That will be $2billion pumped into the local economy. More given the history of cost over-runs. And that also means a lot of construction jobs. There’s the environmental pluses that go with creating a self-sustaining community, too.

    The biggest plus is that, once completed, he and other like-minded individuals will have removed themselves from the rest of society.

  23. Diogenes says:

    It’ll be like Vegas in The Stand.

    My life for you!  Bumpty-bumpty-bump.

  24. septimar says:

    Glenn Beck isn’t libertarian, he’s just conservative. He just pretends otherwise to be hip.

  25. BariSaxMN says:

    Glenn – don’t go away mad; just go away.

  26. You know, I had no idea Beck was such a good listener. For years, we’ve been asking him to just go away and keep his fantasies to himself, and now he’s finally doing it. Thank you, Mr. Beck, for taking us at our word. 

  27. DON’T DRINK THE RAND-AID.

  28. tiredofit says:

    Wait, isn’t this just a hippie commune?

  29. Perizade says:

    See, I *really* want him to build this BS town and make a reality show on it. All the men have to wear his dad jeans and bitch outside their fences a la King Of The Hill. That will be quality television!

  30. CHilke says:

    So, he’s going to be sort of a reverse Robert Owen?

  31. Aeron says:

    A self-sustaining commune that cloisters itself against the rest of the world? Very original idea… Please tell me more!

  32. Snig says:

    I think this is exactly the sort of civic-minded forward-thinking project that will finally put to bed the spurious rumors that Glenn Beck once killed a woman in 1990.  I don’t know why the stories keep circulating or who keeps dredging up this topic.  

  33. Jim Saul says:

    Well that’s a relief.

    I never thought we’d find a suitable replacement for Yucca Mountain.

  34. Lurking_Grue says:

    Yay! Teach us all a lesson!

  35. machinestate says:

    I wonder if just anyone can live there… it’s not *that* large, and some of the rights I’d demand for myself are likely going to clash with some of the rights others will demand for themselves.

    I’ve never read Atlas Shrugged, but can anyone briefly tell me what happens to Galt’s Gulch?

  36. Navin_Johnson says:

    I’m guessing “theme park” actually means a Roman-style coliseum and circus where Beck (now calling himself “The Governor”) can watch retirees on rascals battle it out for his amusement…

  37. AnthonyC says:

    Libertarian commune.

    Huh.

    • chris jimson says:

      “Commune”? 

      Poor choice of words, Beck.

    • If you think that’s contradictory, you know more about smears against libertarians than what libertarians actually think.

      Libertarianism and communal living are entirely compatible; it hinges on freedom to participate or not.

      I once saw in person a speech by no less than Ron Paul where he said just that: “Socialism and Communism are fine, as long as nobody is forced to participate.”

      • AnthonyC says:

        Do you believe libertarianism includes the right to restrict your future self from withdrawing your consent? How about your child’s right to do so?

        You could certainly *start* a libertarian commune, and people would freely join. However, without an enforcement mechanism- up to and including not letting people leave and rejoin whenever they feel like it – you cannot expect to *maintain* one.

  38. I’m pretty indifferent to Glen Beck myself, but I do like watching people try to create self sustaining communities… but I also didn’t see anyone calling for his death. Nor much hate really. Maybe a little, but mostly people just trying to be witty in a comment section knowing they are mostly among peers in finding Glen Beck an assjack. I think a lot of people are jackasses, but I don’t hate them. That’d be a lot of effort. And still wouldn’t actually be ironic either. 

  39. spacedmonkey says:

    Just wait till the next climate change induced mega drought catches them completely off guard.

  40. So, wait, when you go galt you just completely disappear, right? Like nobody can find you, and you’re completely removed form society.

    Can I donate to this fine cause?

  41. Glad to see Glenn Beck has turned into a communist

  42. webstu says:

    Mr. Beck, you are no Brigham Young.

  43. Preston Sturges says:

    Beck’s tv show provided a valuable public service in that he was a readily identifiable honest to God example of a Fascist.

    Becks tactic is simple – he lovingly quotes what actually Hitler actually said, then he lies and claims it was said by someone fighting Hitler.  he is largely  dedicated to rebranding the Nazi party as something like “the free puppies and ice cream party.”

    For instance, Beck said Hitler promoted “social justice,” when Hitler really said “social justice” was a Jewish conspiracy against the white race (Mein Kampf).

    In this way, Beck can get the trailer trash to memoroze and spew Mein Kampf while they think they are being anti-fascist.

    BTW, the person who spoke often about “social justice”  wasn’t Hitler, it was MLK, Beck’s supposed hero.

    ….and let me add that Beck’s conspiracy theories about the “liberals are coming to slaughter you” is the distilled essence of Nazism. Nazism was above all about the conspiracy theory about the liberals genocidal conspiracy against white people, and white’s need to act in self defense.

    Maybe Beck’s followers should build some gas chambers and ovens, just to be on the safe side.

  44. SexBobOmb says:

    It’s not like he’s starting his own country.  Labor laws, construction codes, regulation, environmental regulation — they will all apply.  It’s just more crazy talk.

  45. chgoliz says:

    An entirely self-sustaining community of that magnitude in Texas isn’t possible. Literally.

    Water is the biggest problem.  I can’t seem to figure out what lake that is, but supposedly it’s “larger than Disneyland” (160 acres).  That’s not as much water as he thinks it is, for an entire town of people, crops, and other uses.  Especially in a state that is constantly battling against (climate change-induced) drought.

    Following closely on water….this is a crowd likely to expect meat at every meal.  They’re going to find that diet impossible to maintain on so little land with so little water.  They might as well think of themselves as moving to Mars.  I doubt they will be able to grow enough variety to sustain a healthy diet over time….or even know what a healthy diet is.

    Energy is another issue.  He does say they’ll invest in wind power for their energy.  Here’s a map of wind power in the US: Wind Energy Resource Atlas.  There’s a tiny little area near — well, nothing — southeast of El Paso that has enough wind to make a wind farm a reasonable venture.  Otherwise, you could keep an open match lit for hours in almost all of Texas.

    Etc. etc.

    I hope he builds this dystopia, in the same way I’m glad Romney spent so much of his own money on campaigning: more money in the economy, less in their bank accounts.

  46. Hoopty says:

    I certainly hope they don’t have police or schools or fire stations. Those things are socialist.  Well, they can HAVE those things, but everybody who wants it will have to pay for it.  If only a few people want to shell out, it’s going to be really expensive – so expensive that nearly no one will be able to afford protection and education.  This could be fun to watch.

    • Preston Sturges says:

      You know what’s socialist?  Religion. 

      You know what’s a suffocating system of “political correctness?”  Religion

    • Diogenes says:

       And don’t forget roads, water and sewer.  Those are socialist too.

    • humanresource says:

      Crassus – the ancient Roman tycoon – used to run an entirely privatised fire brigade. The idea was to find someone whose house is burning, then bargain with them for the cost of putting out the fire. He’d often end up owning pretty much everything that was left, apparently.

      • Antinous / Moderator says:

        Actually, he would buy the building at a discount, then have his brigade put out the fire. Owners would take the offer so that they wouldn’t be stuck with a total loss. He ended up as Rome’s largest landlord.

    • Yeah, and they better provide food and computers and clothing too, because there is no way for the free market to provide those things, either.

  47. i’m thinking Jonestown, only it ends with 800 residents poisoning Glenn Beck.

  48. Tim in SF says:

    Wait a second… 

    This was an episode of Star Trek! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Masterpiece_Society

    It didn’t end well for inhabitants.

  49. Wesley Long says:

    As a white man, I will never be able to truly understand what it means to be black in America, but the day Glenn Beck called himself a libertarian, I do believe I know what every black person felt the moment Al Sharpton declared himself their spokesperson.

    • Navin_Johnson says:

      Sharpton declared himself spokesperson? If anything it seems to me that calling Sharpton, Jackson et al a “spokesperson” for black people is something that white people like to do more than anyone else. Also, at his core I believe Sharpton is probably a decent guy who actually wants to do some good, unlike Beck.

  50. MrLibearian says:

    I was literally just thinking about this before I saw this post: why not offer all of the people who feel that government is too bloated, evil, ineffective, etc. the opportunity to move to a “reservation” where they are tasked with taking care of themselves as they see fit.  It will not be a requirement for them to abandon their US citizenship, nor will they be forced to remain if they wish to leave, but they will not receive support from the government in any fashion, the only tax they would pay is a small fee for the rental/use of the land.  There will be strict border security, naturally.  They will still be subject to US laws, however: I think the possibility of slavery cropping up is a bit worrisome.

    I don’t offer this in mean-spiritedness, just as an acknowledgement that not everyone is cut out to live in society as we have constructed it.

    • Many libertarians would be overjoyed by this; they are trying to do something similar in New Hampshire. In many ways, this is EXACTLY what we ask for. Putting it in terms like that, you might understand why I find such widespread hostility to libertarians troubling.

      Except for the last line; you can’t trust people to take care of themselves, because surely they would be too foolish and stupid. The reasonable prohibition against slavery would soon escalate into a prohibition against all sorts of things: prostitution, recreational drug use, then growing and eating any sort of unregulated food, and then we are right back where we started.

      Not to mention the factthat, in our current state-dominated world, there are more slaves than ever in human history.Governments, however, would never let it happen. The risk of it succeeding is simply too high.

      • wysinwyg says:

        Putting it in terms like that, you might understand why I find such widespread hostility to libertarians troubling.

        1. Not everyone who self-identifies as libertarian seems to have the same opinions you do.  (Which makes the many attempts you’ve made to speak for all libertarians on this thread kinda weird.)
        2. Libertarian ideology is dangerous.  While many libertarian critiques of the state are right on, the libertarian solution is fucking scary.  Even if there was such a thing as a “free market” (there isn’t) it probably wouldn’t be an efficient way of distributing wealth in the real world for the reasons pointed out by Adam Smith and others besides.  The “no force” moral theory is a cute thought but under libertarian thought refusing water to someone dying of thirst does not constitute force.  This completely undermines the concept of voluntary participation.  As long as I lack the means to feed myself I am at the mercy of whoever is willing to sell me food.  If I do not own any land then I am at the mercy of those who do.  There’s really no “free choice” when it comes to finding a place to live and feeding oneself.  Chomsky points out that what passes for “libertarianism” in the US is essentially just the idea that power should be possessed by completely unaccountable private entities rather than barely accountable public entities.  I think this critique is right on.
        3. The “moochers/parasites vs. producers” meme is tearing the nation (not the government, not the country, look it up if you’re having trouble) apart, as is the idea that one’s paycheck actually measures one’s value to society. 

        Sorry, that was really quick and kind of scattered.  I can work up a good essay on what’s wrong with libertarianism if you’re interested.

  51. John says:

    oh, oh oh… I desperately want to see this happen! Soon!
    I’ll bring popcorn.

  52. labman57 says:

    Just what Texas needs — another secluded, quasi-religious, ideologically-extreme cult run by a self-anointed prophet who is little more than a political televangelist with delusions of grandeur.

  53. Nancy Lebovitz says:

    Considering that Beck built up fear of economic collapse to get his fans to buy his overpriced gold, I’m betting that this is some sort of scam.

  54. it’s like an asshole hippy commune

    • Navin_Johnson says:

       Difference between hippies and libertarians is that hippies actually do go off the grid, instead of just constantly threatening to on the internet.

      • You are implying that libertarians and hippies are mutually exclusive.

        Most hippies I have met who are off the grid are generally libertarian. Having to actually make it on the land while battling petty beauracracies will do that to a person…

  55. Richard_thunderbay says:

    $ 2 billion? He’s going to need  a lot of very stupid investors to build his libertarian Disneyland/money pit.  As others have said, there is no way that this breaks ground.  I doubt it makes it beyond the soliciting of nonrefundable deposits stage.

    I’m reminded of the guy who made the “Atlas Shrugged” movies, John Aglialoro. I read that he originally intended Part I to have a $80 million budget.  In the end, the budgets for Part I and Part II combined ended being up a fraction of that, as he couldn’t convince any would be John Galts that his films would be a wise investment (he spent his own money as I recall).  Even with their tiny budgets, the two films lost millions of dollars. In theory, Part III is supposed to appear this year.

    • chris jimson says:

      Ohhh. . . I sure hope it breaks ground, and actually gets up and running too– it would be like a huge experiment to see how long before Libertarian ideology gets tossed out the window in order to keep the place from falling apart.

      That is, assuming this isn’t all just some huge scam on Glenn Beck’s part.

  56. crummett says:

    Between this and the Citadel in Idaho, maybe we can get some of the craziest crazies to self-deport.

  57. John Fehr says:

    This utopia model is similar to Jim Bakers, Heritage USA, which he spent time in jail for fraud over it.

  58. onepieceman says:

    I think libertarianism must mean something completely different in the USA. I’m sat here scratching my head about how on earth you can get from less intrusive government to commune. Or is this just link bait?

    • chgoliz says:

      It’s the same way “conservative” means reactionary extremist and “Christian” means what would Jesus do?…we’ll do the opposite.  English as Newspeak.

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      Glenn Beck is link bait made flesh. Fleshy, fleshy flesh.

    • A commune is generally a group of people who explicitly choose to be there, with decision making done on a level where consensus and direct democracy is possible, based on face-to-face contact. 

      Libertarianism and communes are highly compatible; statism and communes simply aren’t.

  59. IronEdithKidd says:

    Wait, hold the phone…Glenn Beck has some sort of broadcast media at his disposal?  How the hell did that happen again?

  60. snagglepuss_62629 says:

    I read the article, and the first thing that leapt out at me was the total lack of any requirement that every applicant to Beckistan be a super-productive genius of ANYTHING.

    I thought that the whole idea of “Galt’s Gulch” was that the most brilliant and forward-thinking members of society withdraw from said society in order to create their own freeloader-free utopia. Somehow I don’t see Beck attracting a whole bunch of high-IQ, Puritan work-ethic, advancing-the-frontiers-of-science ass-busters to his little playground.

    And what I REALLY want to see, is what happens when heavily-armed teatard “patriots” who applied for membership and were turned down, show up at the front gates/airlock and DEMAND to be admitted. Because those folks always take a nice fat “Fuck Off” ever so nicely and politely.

    Oh, and – Wasn’t one of the defining principles of the teabagger Shangri-La supposed to be that it was a BIG FUCKIN’ SECRET, precisely to keep the riff-raff from ever finding out about the joint and showing up uninvited ?

  61. I smell a doomsday cult!

  62. newhavenstumpjumper says:

    L. Ron Hubbard + Ayn Rand = Loony Tunes!

  63. phuzz says:

    Pass the popcorn :)

  64. Deidzoeb says:

    What happened to all the plans for tax-free floating Libertarian “seasteading” communities, or the giant cruise ship city that keeps circling international waters so you don’t have to live someplace with laws or taxes? :(

    http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3328/floating_utopias/

  65. 1984 says:

    No thanks, I’ll wait for the porn version, atlas shagged.

  66. Cowicide says:

    I anxiously await…

  67. Preston Sturges says:

    …….and that was a good use of your time?

  68. snagglepuss_62629 says:

    MET them ? I’m RELATED to several herds of them. Yes, I’ve “met” them. And they’re absolutely certain that their beloved guns, combined with their narrow-minded social and religious beliefs, make them a law unto themselves and that anybody who claims to have discovered or created a “promised land” is duty-bound to let them live in it, if they choose to do so.

    “Turned down for membership”, by the way, meant “Couldn’t make the expected admission payment”. So much for Beck’s little “Biodome” following the Randian model of the most valuably brilliant folks on the planet being invited to live there in peace and progress.

    Touched a nerve there, did I, Sasha ?

  69. PhosPhorious says:

     Actually I do know a few libertarians, and “down to earth” doesn’t really fit.

    For example, every libertarian I know sympathizes with the Confederate South in the Civil War; the feeling seems to be that the slave owners were treated unfairly, and really should have been compensated for the loss of their “property.”

    Not exactly the kind of people who respect the shit shovellers. . .  but I’m sure the libertarians you know are perfectly delightful people.

  70. septimar says:

    Just because someone calls himself libertarian doesn’t make him so (Glenn Beck isn’t). Libertarianism is incompatible with slavery. States don’t have rights, only individuals do. It is quite sad that you once again resort to call every libertarian racist, since most real racists are conservative.

  71. PhosPhorious says:

     Please read my comment again.  I never used the word “racist.”  And I specifically was talking about the libertarians I know.  Your comment is inappropriate and dishonest.

    As for what “real libertarians” believe: Ron Paul thinks the slave owners should have been compensated.  Is he a “real Libertarian?”

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