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	<title>Comments on: Utensils probably gave us all&#160;overbites</title>
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		<title>By: MollyMaguire</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/17/utensils-probably-gave-us-all.html#comment-1631388</link>
		<dc:creator>MollyMaguire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 19:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weston Price first had inklings of this association back in the 20&#039;s although as I recall he thought that malocclusion resulted from malnutrition, but others have studied this more recently. Here&#039;s a good summary:

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/11/malocclusion-disease-of-civilization_24.html

The main different idea is that the use of utensils is irrelevant. The strongest predictor of occlusion is the toughness of the food being eaten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weston Price first had inklings of this association back in the 20&#8242;s although as I recall he thought that malocclusion resulted from malnutrition, but others have studied this more recently. Here&#8217;s a good summary:</p>
<p><a href="http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/11/malocclusion-disease-of-civilization_24.html" rel="nofollow">http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/11/malocclusion-disease-of-civilization_24.html</a></p>
<p>The main different idea is that the use of utensils is irrelevant. The strongest predictor of occlusion is the toughness of the food being eaten.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerril</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/17/utensils-probably-gave-us-all.html#comment-1631033</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 13:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> The problem I have with this theory is that the shape of our teeth wouldn&#039;t be affected by this. 

There&#039;s a distinct difference between a real overbite, where the molars and premolars don&#039;t mate properly and chewing is impacted, and this fantasy overbite, where somehow everything magically lines up anyways.

Then, there&#039;s the thing where the two central front incisors tend to be longer than the flanking pair (which prevents the jaw from closing properly at all). 

Our canines are also not placed to interlock properly with the incisors surface-to-surface, and frankly our dentition is different from the other great apes in so many more dramatic ways that picking on the way our incisors line up seems to be missing the forest from the trees.

Unlike the other great apes, our teeth are strongly adapted to omnivory - our molars and premolars are often cited for their superior efficacy in chewing meat. The fact that our front teeth are different as well should surprise no-one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The problem I have with this theory is that the shape of our teeth wouldn&#8217;t be affected by this. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a distinct difference between a real overbite, where the molars and premolars don&#8217;t mate properly and chewing is impacted, and this fantasy overbite, where somehow everything magically lines up anyways.</p>
<p>Then, there&#8217;s the thing where the two central front incisors tend to be longer than the flanking pair (which prevents the jaw from closing properly at all). </p>
<p>Our canines are also not placed to interlock properly with the incisors surface-to-surface, and frankly our dentition is different from the other great apes in so many more dramatic ways that picking on the way our incisors line up seems to be missing the forest from the trees.</p>
<p>Unlike the other great apes, our teeth are strongly adapted to omnivory &#8211; our molars and premolars are often cited for their superior efficacy in chewing meat. The fact that our front teeth are different as well should surprise no-one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerril</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/17/utensils-probably-gave-us-all.html#comment-1631032</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> A bit of the Hapsburg bloodline in you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> A bit of the Hapsburg bloodline in you?</p>
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		<title>By: Ashen Victor</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/17/utensils-probably-gave-us-all.html#comment-1630987</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashen Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Petunias! I knew it! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Petunias! I knew it! </p>
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		<title>By: Nword</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/17/utensils-probably-gave-us-all.html#comment-1630983</link>
		<dc:creator>Nword</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This completely ignores the presence of things like pacifiers and thumbsucking, which I&#039;m sure have absolutely no influence on the way your teeth grow in..

This sort of thing is just about a perfect example of taking the correlation and running. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This completely ignores the presence of things like pacifiers and thumbsucking, which I&#8217;m sure have absolutely no influence on the way your teeth grow in..</p>
<p>This sort of thing is just about a perfect example of taking the correlation and running. </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/17/utensils-probably-gave-us-all.html#comment-1630886</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 05:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Canadians?</description>
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		<title>By: macegr</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/17/utensils-probably-gave-us-all.html#comment-1630879</link>
		<dc:creator>macegr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 05:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So eventually, we&#039;ll be shoveling food into our gaping, open neck-holes fringed by useless vestigal jaws. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So eventually, we&#8217;ll be shoveling food into our gaping, open neck-holes fringed by useless vestigal jaws. </p>
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		<title>By: dragonfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>dragonfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 05:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with it or not, your remaining objections have nothing to do with Lamarck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with it or not, your remaining objections have nothing to do with Lamarck.</p>
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		<title>By: Aurvara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aurvara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 04:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember reading once about one hypothesis that it was increased starch and carbohydrate in the diet that caused the overbite in the Anglo-Saxon. Apparently before 1066 the Anglo-Saxon bite was edge to edge. I don&#039;t claim this is the correct explanation, just that the dates don&#039;t line up. This idea says it was only 250 years ago the change happened in Europe while the previous claimed evidence from about 1000 years ago.

Without any strong evidence they both seem &#039;just so&#039; stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading once about one hypothesis that it was increased starch and carbohydrate in the diet that caused the overbite in the Anglo-Saxon. Apparently before 1066 the Anglo-Saxon bite was edge to edge. I don&#8217;t claim this is the correct explanation, just that the dates don&#8217;t line up. This idea says it was only 250 years ago the change happened in Europe while the previous claimed evidence from about 1000 years ago.</p>
<p>Without any strong evidence they both seem &#8216;just so&#8217; stories.</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/17/utensils-probably-gave-us-all.html#comment-1630798</link>
		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the article quite clearly states, this can&#039;t possibly be an evolutionary change (if the hypothesis is correct). Rather, it would be a developmental consequence of eating w/ utensils- it&#039;s aboout how the jaw grows in the presence of stimuli different than the ancestral environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the article quite clearly states, this can&#8217;t possibly be an evolutionary change (if the hypothesis is correct). Rather, it would be a developmental consequence of eating w/ utensils- it&#8217;s aboout how the jaw grows in the presence of stimuli different than the ancestral environment.</p>
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		<title>By: pjcamp</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/17/utensils-probably-gave-us-all.html#comment-1630776</link>
		<dc:creator>pjcamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you&#039;re saying Michelle Obama holds her spoon upside down? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re saying Michelle Obama holds her spoon upside down? </p>
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		<title>By: Frank Lee Scarlett</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/17/utensils-probably-gave-us-all.html#comment-1630772</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Lee Scarlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that was the War of the Spanish Succession. The Hapsburgs were the winners in the short heat Evolutionary Underbite Event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that was the War of the Spanish Succession. The Hapsburgs were the winners in the short heat Evolutionary Underbite Event.</p>
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		<title>By: John Verne</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/17/utensils-probably-gave-us-all.html#comment-1630763</link>
		<dc:creator>John Verne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...we will probably never have definitive proof that the overbite results from the adoption of the fork...&quot;

This is the thing. We have to be careful of stories that sound good. This is a good theory, and perhaps the best one, but we will never really be able to prove this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;we will probably never have definitive proof that the overbite results from the adoption of the fork&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the thing. We have to be careful of stories that sound good. This is a good theory, and perhaps the best one, but we will never really be able to prove this.</p>
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		<title>By: Nagurski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nagurski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> See below. The burden is really on the person advancing an explanation for a phenomenon to put up some evidence. 

Here&#039;s a study showing the same sort of change over an even shorter, more recent period, from 1870-1970. http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12548-010-0038-4?LI=true
 It could be due to the development of the hyperspoon or the superfork. Or aliens dicking around with us, or petunias. Anything&#039;s possible, especially when you don&#039;t have to put forward any evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> See below. The burden is really on the person advancing an explanation for a phenomenon to put up some evidence. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a study showing the same sort of change over an even shorter, more recent period, from 1870-1970. <a href="http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12548-010-0038-4?LI=true" rel="nofollow">http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12548-010-0038-4?LI=true</a><br />
 It could be due to the development of the hyperspoon or the superfork. Or aliens dicking around with us, or petunias. Anything&#8217;s possible, especially when you don&#8217;t have to put forward any evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: legsmalone</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/17/utensils-probably-gave-us-all.html#comment-1630696</link>
		<dc:creator>legsmalone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read about this in &quot;Consider The Fork&quot; by Bee Wilson. I think it&#039;s an interesting idea, but having learned about this study from such a complete waste of a book I have a hard time taking it seriously. I am seriously considering publishing a supplementary readalong just to keep foodies from getting dumber. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read about this in &#8220;Consider The Fork&#8221; by Bee Wilson. I think it&#8217;s an interesting idea, but having learned about this study from such a complete waste of a book I have a hard time taking it seriously. I am seriously considering publishing a supplementary readalong just to keep foodies from getting dumber. </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/17/utensils-probably-gave-us-all.html#comment-1630687</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some day maybe we&#039;ll evolve to read before commenting, but I&#039;m not optimistic about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some day maybe we&#8217;ll evolve to read before commenting, but I&#8217;m not optimistic about it.</p>
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		<title>By: surreality</title>
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		<dc:creator>surreality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What explains those of us who had underbites? I had some orthodontic nightmares fixing that... Must just be a fluke, I guess, or not-so-great jaw muscles. Thoughts? 

edit: not actually sure it&#039;s applicable, since the author mentions changing from an &quot;even&quot; bite to an overbite, but it&#039;s still interesting to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What explains those of us who had underbites? I had some orthodontic nightmares fixing that&#8230; Must just be a fluke, I guess, or not-so-great jaw muscles. Thoughts? </p>
<p>edit: not actually sure it&#8217;s applicable, since the author mentions changing from an &#8220;even&#8221; bite to an overbite, but it&#8217;s still interesting to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have anything to add besides unsupported invective?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have anything to add besides unsupported invective?</p>
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		<title>By: Nagurski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nagurski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did read the lame article. No citations or other evidence, other than &#039;gee whillikers, this happened, because of...&#039; his assumptions, I presume. Really, food was cut up into small pieces for table in the Shang, nearly 4000 years ago.  But then, chopsticks! And you&#039;re implying that poor posture is universal amongst cultures that use chairs. Also presumably absent from those without. I&#039;d like to see some shred of evidence on that one, too.  

There are cultures that mainly eat with their hands. Are there big morphological differences in their bite? From this hypothesis, the answer should be, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did read the lame article. No citations or other evidence, other than &#8216;gee whillikers, this happened, because of&#8230;&#8217; his assumptions, I presume. Really, food was cut up into small pieces for table in the Shang, nearly 4000 years ago.  But then, chopsticks! And you&#8217;re implying that poor posture is universal amongst cultures that use chairs. Also presumably absent from those without. I&#8217;d like to see some shred of evidence on that one, too.  </p>
<p>There are cultures that mainly eat with their hands. Are there big morphological differences in their bite? From this hypothesis, the answer should be, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: seanmchugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>seanmchugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, that&#039;s the conventional wisdom, to which she&#039;s probably referring.  But an experiment could decide for us: Two rat populations eating same calories but one highly processed (liquefied) food, and another moderately processed (chunky) such that there is no difference in the masticating effort, which could be verified by measuring that the feeding duration is the same in both cases.  I contend that population eating chunkier food will digest less of it and gain less weight.  And their feces will be heavier.  Anybody care to undertake this experiment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, that&#8217;s the conventional wisdom, to which she&#8217;s probably referring.  But an experiment could decide for us: Two rat populations eating same calories but one highly processed (liquefied) food, and another moderately processed (chunky) such that there is no difference in the masticating effort, which could be verified by measuring that the feeding duration is the same in both cases.  I contend that population eating chunkier food will digest less of it and gain less weight.  And their feces will be heavier.  Anybody care to undertake this experiment?</p>
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		<title>By: dragonfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>dragonfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read TFA - no evolutionary mechanism is posited.

It&#039;s suggested that how we eat affects how our facial muscles develop, which affects the position our jaws return to comfortably when we relax those muscles.

Chairs don&#039;t cause our children to be born with poor posture by Lamarckian mechanisms either - but we still send them off to school, where they&#039;re made to sit in chairs, which affects their posture as they grow up.  Same deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read TFA &#8211; no evolutionary mechanism is posited.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s suggested that how we eat affects how our facial muscles develop, which affects the position our jaws return to comfortably when we relax those muscles.</p>
<p>Chairs don&#8217;t cause our children to be born with poor posture by Lamarckian mechanisms either &#8211; but we still send them off to school, where they&#8217;re made to sit in chairs, which affects their posture as they grow up.  Same deal.</p>
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		<title>By: dragonfrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>dragonfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have thought the mechanism would just be that it takes less effort to eat, so we eat more and faster - there&#039;s a delay between being full, and feeling full, so the more effortful our food is to eat, the less we eat during that delay, and the less we overeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have thought the mechanism would just be that it takes less effort to eat, so we eat more and faster &#8211; there&#8217;s a delay between being full, and feeling full, so the more effortful our food is to eat, the less we eat during that delay, and the less we overeat.</p>
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		<title>By: seanmchugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>seanmchugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One interesting experiment mentioned at the end of the article was that rats eating highly processed soft food pellets gained more weight than rats eating harder pellets of identical energy content.  She then says, &quot;When we eat chewier, less processed foods -- a raw apple rather than apple puree -- it takes us more energy to digest them, so we receive less energy.&quot;  I don&#039;t think that&#039;s quite right.  Instead, I think the difference is that more highly processed food (by a mouth or machine) presents more surface area to the digestive fluids which increase the rate of decomposition.  Conversely, if one is trying to loose weight, he should consider swallowing his food whole since a significant portion is likely to pass through without being digested completely.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One interesting experiment mentioned at the end of the article was that rats eating highly processed soft food pellets gained more weight than rats eating harder pellets of identical energy content.  She then says, &#8220;When we eat chewier, less processed foods &#8212; a raw apple rather than apple puree &#8212; it takes us more energy to digest them, so we receive less energy.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s quite right.  Instead, I think the difference is that more highly processed food (by a mouth or machine) presents more surface area to the digestive fluids which increase the rate of decomposition.  Conversely, if one is trying to loose weight, he should consider swallowing his food whole since a significant portion is likely to pass through without being digested completely.  </p>
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		<title>By: dragonfrog</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FTFA:
&lt;blockquote&gt;This change is far too recent for any evolutionary explanation. Rather, it seems to be a question of usage. An American anthropologist, C. Loring Brace, put forward the thesis that the overbite results from the way we use cutlery, from childhood onwards.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The idea is that we are born without an overbite, and our facial muscles adapt in each new generation to the use of utensils (if we are raised to use them) by holding our jaws in an overbite position, or to eating without utensils (if we are raised not to) by holding the jaw without an overbite.

You can probably position your jaw in a non-overbite position just fine now, but you&#039;ll feel a stretch in your jaw muscles.  I guess the idea is that if you had eaten since childhood without utensils, your facial muscles would have developed differently, so the relaxed position would be straight-on, and you&#039;d feel a stretch if you held your jaw in an overbite.

By the same token, chairs didn&#039;t cause us to evolve heritable poor posture, but our cultural habit of spending all day sitting in them is giving each new generation poor posture starting at school age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FTFA:</p>
<blockquote><p>This change is far too recent for any evolutionary explanation. Rather, it seems to be a question of usage. An American anthropologist, C. Loring Brace, put forward the thesis that the overbite results from the way we use cutlery, from childhood onwards.</p></blockquote>
<p>The idea is that we are born without an overbite, and our facial muscles adapt in each new generation to the use of utensils (if we are raised to use them) by holding our jaws in an overbite position, or to eating without utensils (if we are raised not to) by holding the jaw without an overbite.</p>
<p>You can probably position your jaw in a non-overbite position just fine now, but you&#8217;ll feel a stretch in your jaw muscles.  I guess the idea is that if you had eaten since childhood without utensils, your facial muscles would have developed differently, so the relaxed position would be straight-on, and you&#8217;d feel a stretch if you held your jaw in an overbite.</p>
<p>By the same token, chairs didn&#8217;t cause us to evolve heritable poor posture, but our cultural habit of spending all day sitting in them is giving each new generation poor posture starting at school age.</p>
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		<title>By: blank blank</title>
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		<dc:creator>blank blank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as we don&#039;t use utensils!</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;if, for example, utensil-users exterminated all children with an underbite&lt;/blockquote&gt;Then the &quot;no underbite people&quot; would be currently occupying a small country somewhere like the middle east and fighting anybody who looks at them the wrong way.

We are not simple.</description>
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<p>Then the &#8220;no underbite people&#8221; would be currently occupying a small country somewhere like the middle east and fighting anybody who looks at them the wrong way.</p>
<p>We are not simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Marja Erwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marja Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Us&quot;?

&quot;Us all&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Us&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;Us all&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Moonpie Nobot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moonpie Nobot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me it&#039;s more likely a result of keeping more of our teeth in our mouths. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me it&#8217;s more likely a result of keeping more of our teeth in our mouths. </p>
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		<title>By: Boundegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boundegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nonsense, the thesis is totally plausible, if, for example, utensil-users exterminated all children with an underbite.  Evolution can move pretty fast with human intervention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonsense, the thesis is totally plausible, if, for example, utensil-users exterminated all children with an underbite.  Evolution can move pretty fast with human intervention.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how we could evolve anything in 250 years except &lt;b&gt;possibly&lt;/b&gt; partial immunity to a powerful infectious disease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how we could evolve anything in 250 years except <b>possibly</b> partial immunity to a powerful infectious disease.</p>
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