"Nerds are one of the most dangerous groups in this country"

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  1. Gtmac says:

    Nerds use their brains to hurt people? The way he says it suggests that his problem with nerds is that they don’t use their fists to hurt people like the “jocks” do. How sad for him.

  2. lysdexia says:

    Wow. 

    /me starts disassembling the Vengance-Bot

  3. Martin Nash says:

    Best not retaliate, entering a battle of wits with an unarmed man is no fun

  4. Jeremy Sachs says:

    People who are this “far to the right” make the rest of the conservative movement seem rational in comparison. And that’s why we can’t have nice things.

    • C W says:

      Alex Jones and similar conspiracists, quacks and frauds manage to straddle the extreme left and extreme right, where aliens, homeopathy, JFK, vaccine-autism and Morgellans live in harmony. His show is fun as long as you don’t take anything seriously, I’m sad that he’s going all nut-grabbing jock and full-willfully ignorant.

  5. zachstronaut says:

    It is a hyperbolic rant from a loathsome man.  The part about angry nerds hating everybody and hurting people because they were bullied and excluded as kids, though?  I’ve met those guys a lot working in IT.  Nerds don’t seem willing to talk about it, but I’ve sure seen some sad things.

    DAMNIT, now we can’t have this conversation because THAT guy brought it up. The well is poisoned. Super.

    • blueelm says:

      I’ve met a lot of those guys on machine shop floors, in the army, as high school teachers. The singling out of one group of bitter antisocials does nothing. You work in IT so you meet those guys in IT. Believe me, they’re out there in every field. Also, why just guys? What happens to all those angry bullied women? Do they disappear? Nope… sad people everywhere. All around us. I should know, I AM ONE! Well, sad that is. I’m not so much angry nor do I want to lash out at random people for having been hurt.

      But I assure you there are bitter pathetic wounded people wanting to hurt and blame others for everything licking their wounds in every corner of the earth where humans inhabit it. Those who are also nerds are just one flavor.

      • UnderachievingSheep says:

        I think it has to do with unfulfilled “promises” and entitlement. It’s not just people that got bullied (though of course many of those are also part of the resented, bitter group) but more like those who were led to believe they were entitled to success. A good job, a desirable partner, a certain standard of living, a social life, etc etc… and then when that does not materialize the way they expect, they become bitter and angry. It’s at the root of the current wave of angry, white male rage. Of course people of color get angry and bitter as well, but they tend to react in a different way (and the root cause of their anger tends to be of a different nature from their white counterparts).

        The sooner we address that a lot of those expectations were created by a failed socioeconomic model, the better chances we have to fix it so that there are less unhappy people exercising violence (rhetoric or physical).

        • blueelm says:

          I actually think entitlement is very much the root. It’s not just a failed socioeconomic model though, it gets to the root of who these people think they ARE. Thus they can be wealthy and successful, and still be ENRAGED that a black family out there somewhere got food stamps this morning.

          • bkad says:

            Hmm, this is a good thing to think about. Relevant today because I started negotiating for a salary raise — in my case, I’m armed with salary statistics, and the fact that a company that enrolls me in ‘top performer’ leadership courses nonetheless pays me below market. But my anger about the issue (and my jealousy of better compensated but less technically skilled colleagues), that is pure entitlement. I’m an engineer. I survived high school and life long social maladjustment. Now I deserve to shine. Of course, no one does.

          • blueelm says:

            Meh… ask for the raise. It only makes sense. Just be glad that you aren’t also worrying that doing so will be met with backlash or resentment due to your race or gender (assuming from your post here, though I may be wrong) and don’t be angry! You may get the raise you may not, it’s worth a shot of course. It’s not worth getting your feelings of self worth caught up in it though, right? IOW, it’s not about deserving anything or shining. It’s just about wanting more money. Unless you don’t really care if you get more money.

          • bkad says:

            True. I don’t know what got into me for a minute there. :-)

      • Marja Erwin says:

        A lot of people are angry, and are struggling with ptsd, and have a right to be angry about bullying.

        As long as our society continues to send young children into places where they will face harassment every day, punishment if they try to avoid or confront their harassers, and and they will face physical violence on a regular basis… it’s sick.

        I was beaten unconscious in school. A friend of mine was sexually assaulted in public in school. I had to deal with sexual harassment in school. I got forced out of my first high school for being bullied.

        • blueelm says:

          There’s a big difference at being angry at the people who hurt you and being angry at every and anyone because some people hurt you.

          It was actually important to realize this at some point before my anger gave some one else a reason to be hurt and angry. In fact, I would say that’s a big part of the struggle when struggling with PTSD.

          Actually a pet peeve of mine is the idea that everyone who bullies people is a victim themselves. No, some people are just sociopathic. However they got that way, this idea that their needs trump the needs of their victims is part of the problem too.

          • Charlie B says:

            Actually a pet peeve of mine is the idea that everyone who bullies people is a victim themselves. No, some people are just sociopathic. However they got that way, this idea that their needs trump the needs of their victims is part of the problem too.

            Be careful, you’re dangerously close to heading down the “zero tolerance” path (which could also be called the “infinite intolerance” system.)

            Our children need to be educated (or conditioned, if you prefer such language) to recognize and understand the social contract.  As long as we continue to fetishize greed, self-centeredness and authoritarianism we will continue to empower sociopaths.  Go on any open forum today and you’ll see thousands of posts from people who “reject the social contract” because “I didn’t agree to any contract”.  The depth of intellectual poverty these people exhibit is astounding!  We need to do something better than just throwing the bullies that act on this paradigm out of school and into the prisons like “zero tolerance” does; prisons don’t make people better.

          • blueelm says:

            No, I’m really not even close. When people are being told to “settle the score” with the guy who raped them because that poor boy needs help you DO need to make a decision about whose life you’re going to put resources into helping.

        • Christopher says:

          Whenever I click “Like” on a comment such as yours I always feel compelled to explain that I don’t like what happened to you. I don’t like that it happens to anyone. What I like is giving experiences such as yours greater exposure in the hopes that we can do something to prevent the same things happening to others.

          It may be naive of me to think such change is possible, but I hope it isn’t.

  6. blueelm says:

    So I see guy with a microphone, apparently running things, venting about how people in power still lash out at others because they HATE everyone for not worshiping them enough, and everyone should know that HE can see them so of course they should be afraid of him and all his power worshiping him and hating who he says to hate. Hmmm, of course you can see those little rats dear, their your psychological projections. 

    • PhosPhorious says:

      I was going to say the same thing. . .  apparently being one of the “jocks” doesn’t make you any less bitter and prone to violence.

      • Boundegar says:

        I doubt this guy was a jock.  In fact, I’m betting he’s a self-hating nerd.

        • bigtrendy says:

          Hm.  Well, not to stereotype who can and can’t be a nerd, but Wikipedia pegs this guy as a linebacker for his high school football team who went on to become a community college drop out.  And host of a radio programme with two million listeners in 2010, noted by the Southern Poverty Law Center for having  “exploit[ed] racial animosities” to “appeal to the fears of the antigovernment Patriot movement”.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio_host)

          I’m thinking he doesn’t self-identify as a nerd.

        • capnmarrrrk says:

          What I came here to say. There’s no way that guy was a jock, in fact I would bet he wasn’t even a nerd. Bitter loner.

          EDIT: Whoops. I just read bigtrendy’s post.

          • blueelm says:

            LOL! Your reasonable explanation for how some one could be like him is probably based in your being a reasonable person. But he’s not very reasonable, so he’s not going to make sense like that. 

            Ok here’s my projection. He probably IS lonely in a way that he doesn’t realize, but only because people around him only seem like extensions of himself and sometimes they don’t even move the way he wants them to which has to be frustrating. He has lots and lots of people to keep him supplied with his grandiose idea of himself though, so he’s probably pretty damned happy showing all those stupid community college professors what for. Now should that collapse? Whoa boy, that would be a mess. It’s fine though because the barrel he’s scraping the bottom of is bottomless as far as I know.

          • capnmarrrrk says:

            Never underestimate the power of a circle of Yes men. Probably exactly how Rush Limbaugh operates

  7. I would dearly like to see the context for this.

  8. David Weaver says:

    He’s like a living Scooby-Doo villian. 

  9. retchdog says:

    reminds me of a larouche pamphlet in the mid 00s, about how mathematical game theory and video games (as if they are somehow connected) were a government plot to raise a generation of sociopaths.

    still, can’t say he’s completely wrong. not that nerds want to hurt people, but, hey, there’s a lot of evil you can hide in “i’m just optimizing a function.” or take the founder of palantir’s rationalization, which is something like “it’s inevitable that someone will develop a Big Brother, so we should do it since we can do it correctly and at least minimize its intrusiveness,” which can also be faithfully paraphrased as “we do what we must because we can.”

    • signsofrain says:

      +1 rep for Aperture Science reference. 

      Now you might be asking yourself, “Cave, just how difficult are these tests?”, “What was in that phonebook of a contract I signed?”, “Am I in danger?”. Let me answer those questions with a question: who wants to make $60? Cash.

    • C W says:

      “a generation of sociopaths.”

      You’d think they’d be perfect for LaRouchies, though. I’m always sad that they don’t get into tumbles with Hubbardologists.

  10. lknope says:

    I WISH nerds ran things.  Then maybe we would invest in education and green technology instead of war and oil.

    • retchdog says:

      what were you saying? http://www.advancedtrading.com/managingthedesk/why-wall-street-is-hungry-for-quants-eve/240000420

      • ocschwar says:

        The issue here is nerds going to where the jobs are. IF nerds ran things, this nerd would be working for smart grid companies instead of his damn hedge fund.

        • retchdog says:

          i am halfway to working for a smart grid company. it’s all statistics anyway, and you’ll (probably) make a lot more money.

          • ocschwar says:

            That’s the nerd hierarchy. WInners do cool stuff. Losers go to finance. 

          • retchdog says:

            on the other hand, there is the success hierarchy, where winners make more money for less work.

            it’s a bit convenient that there is a subculture of nerds with high skills, a strong work ethic (and consumerist identity), little political awareness, and a mild disdain for profit. it’s almost like this was engineered or promoted by an industry and media with an interest in cheap labor.
            not all nerds are like this, hence “subculture of nerds.” i know some pretty damned nerdy people who are all about the $$$.

    • Navin_Johnson says:

      If only that were the case. I fear it would be more like Somalia meets Galt’s Gulch….on the sea or in space…

      Unfortunately for every Neil Degrasse Tyson, you’ve got a bunch of Silicon Valley d-bags with Rand-roid syndrome..

    • AnthonyC says:

      Maybe. But there are quite a few libertarian nerds as well.

      • bkad says:

        My experience is that most libertarians are nerds. (Or at least, those libertarians who know the word for their political beliefs is ‘libertarian’  – the party is correct, with all those rigged political compass quizzes, to point out that the philosophy doesn’t map to US Republican vs US Democrat).

        • AnthonyC says:

          I think I understand why libertarian philosophy is attractive to many of my fellow nerds. It has a lot in common with physics- namely, simple premises that are easy to espouse and really believe but which aren’t terribly practical for implementation. 

          • retchdog says:

            right… but physics actually works, however “impractical” (??) it may be. physics doesn’t work because of reductionism; reductionism works because physical phenomena are reducible.

            being a reductionist doesn’t make you right in other fields (i’m looking at you, austrian economists.)

        • Marja Erwin says:

          I think that nerds are more likely to research their ethics, their political concerns, etc. That will lead some nerds to anarchism, others to Marxism, others to Objectivism, others to positions closer to the Democrats or Republicans. That could lead to disproportionate numbers of nerds in third parties and other political movements.

        • C W says:

          They’re definitely “gun nerds” at the very least.

    • gracchus says:

      Unfortunately, the ones with real power aren’t mellow happy mutant geeks but rather the bitter and self-loathing nerds who never got over high school and are out for revenge and a chance to play the bully themselves.

      Not that this paranoid nutcase helps with that discussion.

    • bkad says:

      I WISH nerds ran things. Then maybe we would invest in education and green technology instead of war and oil.

      As if stealth fighters, laser cannons, drones, and rockets weren’t some of the coolest, nerdiest technology out there…

  11. Ian Roberts says:

    That’s right! Ice… man. I am dangerous.

  12. Greg Miller says:

    So, am I mistaken, or is that the same guy as here?
    http://boingboing.net/2013/01/07/piers-morgan-interviews-depo.html
    I’d mistakenly thought, going into the Piers Morgan video, that this guy was just crazy about guns. Never mind that, this guy is just plain old bat shit crazy!

    • angusm says:

      Welcome to the wonderful world of Alex Jones. I like to imagine that there’s some quota of Batshit Crazy that has to be met by the entire country, if not the planet, and he shoulders so much of the burden that the rest of us can act reasonably sane much of the time.

      He has a little help from Michelle Bachmann and one or two others, but he’s really doing the lion’s share of the work.

      This video and the Piers Morgan interview are mere fragments of a larger body of work that has to be understood in its entirety to be properly appreciated. It’s not simply that he never met a conspiracy theory he didn’t like: it’s the personal passion that he brings to being a 24-hour bull-goose loony that sets him apart from the pack of lesser nutballs.

      But that’s just my nerdy opinion.

      • blueelm says:

        An old acquaintance  once told me that he had been listening to Alex Jones a lot, and that really he actually made a lot of sense. 

        I should mention here that this person had not one, but two, psychotic breakdowns involving delusional beliefs regarding signals transmitted by aliens and wrote an entire album of music about his relationship with a hallucinatory child.

        I’m actually not poking as much fun as you might think. This guy’s whole shtick actually does appeal to the mentally ill, particularly those prone to conspiracy theories and paranoia.

        • angusm says:

          It’s Radio Mille Collines for a particular segment of the mentally ill demographic. Something other than hilarity can only ensue.

        • Christopher says:

          Frighteningly enough I didn’t think you were poking fun at all. I think the biggest danger of Alex Jones being given a syndicated radio show is that he gives a sense of validation to people who should be seeking professional help.

          • blendergasket says:

            And the Piers Morgans of the world can haul him out whenever they want to invalidate a position in a debate. (not that i’m for citizens owning assault weapons, it was just the most obvious use of kook as tool of invalidation that I’ve seen).

          • gracchus says:

            It’s not like the NRA’s positions are any more credible. They draw from the same well of Bircher paranoia that Jones does.

        • Mighty Blowhole says:

          “an entire album of music about his relationship with a hallucinatory child.”
          …Oh, gawd… you can’t throw that out there like that without including a link!
          Please?!?

  13. UnderachievingSheep says:

    If this is what he thinks of guy nerds, I’d love to hear what he thinks of… *gasp*… women nerds.

    Imagine the explosion of ignorance, misogyny, righteous indignation and cognitive dissonance.

    • blueelm says:

      Won’t happen. Smart women = dirty strippers to him. Weapons grade misogyny requires women be smart only insofar as it means stealing credit from men because property doesn’t think for itself. Men own women, or “bad women” take money from men so they can live outside of ownership… kind of. To even introduce women nerds to Mr. Jones you’d have to shatter his whole worldview. It would imply, for one, that women are individual human beings with unique pasts and personalities.

      Never. Gonna. Happen.

      • UnderachievingSheep says:

        “Men own women, or bad women take money from men so they can live outside of ownership.”

        This is so perfect. It encapsulates so so much of what is wrong with the misogynist far right crowd. I had never seen it put so succinctly.

  14. Monkey_pants says:

    “They use their BRAINS to hurt people! That why I never use mine! Don’t want to be mistaken for a nerd!”

  15. Chuck says:

    “DON’T YOU PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THERE ARE NERDS TODAY WHO HAVE GONE FROM K THROUGH TWELVE WITHOUT RECEIVING A SINGLE WEDGIE?!?!?  THIS ISN’T THE WAY THINGS USED TO BE!  WHO MADE THIS DECISION?  NOBODY I KNOW, THAT’S FOR SURE!  SO WHO’S RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS?!?!?”

  16. Jean Baptiste says:

    Nerds, and Geeks, and Nerdy Geeks (as well Neeky Gerds and Gerky Needs) definitely pose a Very Real Danger to society, as do their more suave and debonair counterparts, the (ugh) Hipsters.  When they were reduced to being a demographic to be marketed to and exploited, their Purity of Essence was irreparably tainted.

    Hem hem…you’ll have to pardon me…my outrage has caused my retro Warby Parker (tm reg us pat off) monocle lens to become rather foggy… 

  17. James Fowkes says:

    “They use their brains to hurt people!” That right, all nerds are scanners.

  18. jsandin says:

    If he could really see me, he would know that I am a big rat, not a little one.

  19. nixiebunny says:

    Damn right, Alex! Now take your downers or else we’ll turn off your mike.

  20. annoyingmouse says:

    Dare I ask what possible context this came from?  Just another part of the meandering rant that is Alex’s existence (I refuse to use the word “life” because I doubt he has one outside of The Rant) or some particular grudge?  Is it just that the rant has been going on so long that he has now probably covered every group of society at one point or another? 

  21. Christopher says:

    Coming up next: Alex Jones bites the head off a live chicken. 

  22. chris jimson says:

    When is Anonymous going to go after this guy?

    • gracchus says:

      I’m torn. On the one hand, it would only feed his paranoia about angry nerds. On the plus side, he’d come up with a heck of an entertaining expanation for what Anonymous *really* is (preferably something involving an HQ in the basement of the Denver Airport).

  23. James says:

    And this guy is allowed to own a gun? I don’t even …

  24. Zum Zamim says:

    Upcoming Appearances:
    - Global Network of Science Academies conference on Science for Poverty Eradication and Sustainable Development. 
    - Energy Lecture Series at Washington and Jefferson College. 
    - American Physical Society

    For a moment, I thought this was a list of the nutcase’s upcoming appearances, and not those of the blog poster Mary Koerth-Baker. 

    How funny would it be if he were speaking at these events?

  25. Michael Holloway says:

    He’s right (first time for everything); all the personality disorder geeks have been hired (pressed) by intelligence agencies and corporations to feed bugs into the net – so that we all become afraid of our desktops. It’s a tension between social and private – a metric for control.

  26. Marko Raos says:

    Ah, Alex.. the world would be such a dull place without you. <3

  27. Felton / Moderator says:

    “you little rats”

    That’s Siberian hamster to you, sir.

  28. Snig says:

     “Jocks and nerds may come together, I believe it. I believe it is so. But only the nerds will save the earth.”

    John Hodgman

    From this interview:http://www.avclub.com/articles/john-hodgman,14321/

  29. nachoproblem says:

    Well, then there’s the jocks who hate everybody because we’re all grown up and have jobs now, and they can’t bully us anymore. And screaming about your guns doesn’t get you as far as you imagined.

    I’ll take my justice in the form of laughing at you.

  30. doggo says:

    Well, he spilled it. You know what this means, don’t you? He must be silenced. Commence to sending him links to malware infected porn.

    • gracchus says:

      Given that Rule 34 allows for Reptillian-on-Human NWO humiliation porn, this just might work. Go to it, my fellow angry nerds!

  31. Horace Wallerton says:

    I don’t understand why anybody besides his conspiracy theory loving fans pays any attention to what Alex Jones has to say. He’s half nutjob and half troll.

  32. bzishi says:

    I am using by brain to hurt him right now. You see, I was born on Athas so psionic powers come naturally to me.

  33. blendergasket says:

    This is my favorite Alex Jones bit that I’ve seen so far. Philip K. Dick, DMT, Bilderberg, Kurzweil and us not being ready for the truth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BKzuzjjCro

    • retchdog says:

      of all the ways to be recruited into the upper echelons of government, i wouldn’t have put taking megadoses of DMT on the list.

      man, this one is great. thanks.

      • UnderachievingSheep says:

        Hopefully (for amusement purposes), this will blow your mind as much as it blew mine when I read about it. People who take substances that contain DMT, like ayahuasca, usually report visions of snakes in varying forms and shapes (talking even, interacting with them, etc.). Jeremy Narby chronicled the ubiquitous nature of these visions in South American cultures that take DMT as part of ritualistic ceremonies in his book The Cosmic Serpent. (Don’t quote me on how bad/ good the science is on this book, as I have no idea how rigorous he was in his research and investigation).

        Now, and here comes the part that cracked me up when I found out, legend has it that back in the 80s, when he was still dabbling in hippie stuff and still a member of the British Green Party, David Icke took ayahuasca and did have extensive visions of these snakes that many people report seeing (*ahem* I know from personal experience about those visions of psychedelic, colorful snakes). Once he came back from his ayahuasca trip, and he was still high on the WOAH I SAW SNAKES AND I TALKED TO THEM, he developed the conspiracy theory we all know about involving reptile people ruling the world.

        Basically, rumor has it that we owe this lunacy to one bad and intense ayahuasca trip…

  34. Ender Wiggin says:

    i can kill you with my brain.

  35. Deidzoeb says:

    Alex Jones is an inside job.

  36. guest says:

    Alex is a COINTELPRO agent who began to believe the psyops and went rogue. He used to take sensible questions and sully them to render anyone ELSE asking the question look like a nutbag. Case in point – during the mid90s, he brought up the very good question of WHY the City of Round Rock needed an armored personnel carrier, paid for with tax dollars. Were they expecting Dell’s shitty laptops to rise up and conquer humanity? After the videotape of cops playing with their toys, he says: “up next, the secret city of 50,000 stolen children beneath Las Vegas!”

    Someday soon his masters are gonna have to detonate the chip in his head. afore he does it hisself (said in best Yosemite Sam voice).

  37. creesto says:

    Best. Thread. Today.

  38. Frank Diekman says:

    That makes me so angry I want to use my brain to hurt people!

  39. And the mofo had best not forget it!

  40. Horselover Caballero says:

    Admit it. A fair proportion of people reading this article immediately went to their favourite BB and posted it followed by the River Tam clip. I know I did.

  41. Dlo Burns says:

    I saw this and was like “What? I thought that guy died” then I realized it was the other guy I assassinated with my mind.

  42. Alexandros says:

    I don´t know guys…
    This man clearly suffers from some form of mental illness, I don´t know if its okay to make fun of him. Here in Europe we wouldn´t put him on TV or Radio but in a mental hospital where he could get professional help. The state would cover all costs of course!

    • gracchus says:

      You’re correct about the proper treatment for the mentally ill. The problem is that, here in America, his radio show has 1-million+ listeners (most of whom are cracked themselves). That also gives him access to mainstream media outlets via interviews and cable news panels (he’s currently being treated as some kind of expert on the Second Amendment). Mockery is about the only way to respond to him.

  43. Sarge Misfit says:

    *ROFL*

    If it weren’t for us Nerds, he would be sending out his rants via club beating on hollow log!

  44. beaker says:

    After seeing a few different clips of this dude over the past few days, I suspect that he is the latest iteration of the Andy Kaufman wrestling schtick– A right wing Joaquim Phoenix.  Thinking this at last makes watching him bearable.

  45. alissa mower clough says:

    I’m proud to be disliked by Alex Jones.

  46. Sean Breakey says:

    Yes, the people for whom high school was a living hell, and still suffer PTSD to this day… might be a bit ticked about it.  So instead of suggesting maybe NOT making their lives a living hell to begin with, he’s mad at the people who basically got ground into a pulp, and are a bit resentful of it.

    People like him are honestly lucky there aren’t more super villains running around, (the only reason there isn’t is probably because Nerds would rather get on with their lives, and actually accomplish something).

  47. Florian Bösch says:

    “Because they hurt you with their brains”

    Better than hurting everybody with your stupidity, or lack of brains.

  48. TheEponymousBob says:

    His problem is that the only thing that’ll stop a bad guy with brains is a good guy wth brains.

  49. Matt Christensen says:

    I don’t know. This guy doesn’t seem real to me. Does anyone have any first-hand accounts of him being a d’bag? Like farting in an elevator or something?

  50. Scott Elyard says:

    What a loud and unpleasant person.

  51. I wonder who he’ll be afraid of next week.

  52. Nerds, Geeks, Hackers, Scientists, Engineers, Mathematicians, Nobel & Booker & Pulitzer Laureates, Philosophers = people pushing the strength of their mind.   

    Artists, Musicians, Singers, Poets = people pushing the strength of their emotions. 

    Jocks, Athletes, Competitors = people pushing the strength of their body.

    No one in any of the categories above are mutually exclusive, by definition–they’re all strong in a particular discipline–but this does not mean they are limited to those categories. 
    So…in the words of Frank Sinatra: “I’ve been a I’ve been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, a poet, a pawn and a king..”   

    Which brings me to my point–an idiotic douche bag “media personality” stirring up  class warfare where none exists does not belong to any of the groups above.  May he find rest within his relatively (for now) empty soul.

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