Comments on: More plagiarism from Glee http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Fri, 24 May 2013 16:56:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Stephanie Clarkson http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1634969 Stephanie Clarkson Wed, 23 Jan 2013 04:53:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1634969  sounds 'sort of the same?' Dude, this is the two songs, played at the same time: http://music.sleepingcat.com/babygotrippedoff.mp3 they even used his line, 'Johnny C’s in trouble' (the original says Mix-a-lot), and the character singing the song on the show is named....Adam! Seriously, shift the brain into gear.  sounds ‘sort of the same?’

Dude, this is the two songs, played at the same time: http://music.sleepingcat.com/babygotrippedoff.mp3

they even used his line, ‘Johnny C’s in trouble’ (the original says Mix-a-lot), and the character singing the song on the show is named….Adam!

Seriously, shift the brain into gear.

]]> By: thembot http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1634575 thembot Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:06:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1634575 One of the greatest things about current Internet culture is the open yet respectful remixing and reinterpreting of work purely for the love of said work.  Parody songs, remixes, fanfiction, fanart... an incredible culture of transformative work is being developed that often widens the scope and meaning of the original cultural offerings.  But one of the most important parts of this movement is CREDIT, and people being acknowledged for the contributions they have made.  If a huge company like Fox thinks it can just take someone's hard work (and yes, original work) because the online creator does not have the same kind of copyright/legal protection as a corporate artist, then the organic and innovative online artistic culture will wither.  THAT'S why this is important. One of the greatest things about current Internet culture is the open yet respectful remixing and reinterpreting of work purely for the love of said work.  Parody songs, remixes, fanfiction, fanart… an incredible culture of transformative work is being developed that often widens the scope and meaning of the original cultural offerings.  But one of the most important parts of this movement is CREDIT, and people being acknowledged for the contributions they have made.  If a huge company like Fox thinks it can just take someone’s hard work (and yes, original work) because the online creator does not have the same kind of copyright/legal protection as a corporate artist, then the organic and innovative online artistic culture will wither.  THAT’S why this is important.

]]> By: bbdrvr http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1634126 bbdrvr Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:53:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1634126 *sigh* Coulton created an entirely new, original arrangement for the "Baby Got Back" lyrics.  He had permission to do this, and the result was an enjoyable piece of parody. Glee used Coulton's original arrangement, complete with changed lyrics, without contacting or crediting him. Why is it so difficult for some people to see how wrong this is? *sigh* Coulton created an entirely new, original arrangement for the “Baby Got Back” lyrics.  He had permission to do this, and the result was an enjoyable piece of parody. Glee used Coulton’s original arrangement, complete with changed lyrics, without contacting or crediting him. Why is it so difficult for some people to see how wrong this is?

]]> By: Jason Barbacovi http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1634030 Jason Barbacovi Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:53:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1634030 This whole thing confuses me. Somebody who sung a song they didn't write is mad because someone else sang the same song and it sound sort of the same. Why not just write your own songs and stop worrying about it?  This whole thing confuses me. Somebody who sung a song they didn’t write is mad because someone else sang the same song and it sound sort of the same. Why not just write your own songs and stop worrying about it? 

]]> By: Phil Gaulrapp http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1634019 Phil Gaulrapp Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:48:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1634019  Is it really a new work, or is it a derivative of an existing work? I think the rights holders would be able to use the arrangement if they hold the rights to both works. It's a sticky situation though.  Is it really a new work, or is it a derivative of an existing work? I think the rights holders would be able to use the arrangement if they hold the rights to both works. It’s a sticky situation though.

]]> By: That_Anonymous_Coward http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633557 That_Anonymous_Coward Tue, 22 Jan 2013 02:18:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633557 Pretty sure Cory is standing in the 'THIS SUCKS' line right now. Each artist gets to make their own decision where they stand. Had they asked or attributed I'd like to hope both of them would have been flattered and worked out something rewarding them in exposure to a much wider audience. The fact that Fox is making bank off of wholly lifted content, that they are then placing THEIR copyright on is going to make things even more messy.  How long until ContentID claims DJ Earwig "STOLE" Fox's property and ends up shutting down his channel? Fans of Glee, there are a few it seems, will most likely never hear DJ Earwig or Jonathan Coulton, and if they do it will be assumed that they just lifted it from Fox.  Fox stole the work, they are stealing the credit for the work, and if unchecked they will erase the originals and usurp them. They helped rob us of having a public domain, we need to stop them from stealing more of our culture to make a buck. Pretty sure Cory is standing in the ‘THIS SUCKS’ line right now.
Each artist gets to make their own decision where they stand.
Had they asked or attributed I’d like to hope both of them would have been flattered and worked out something rewarding them in exposure to a much wider audience.

The fact that Fox is making bank off of wholly lifted content, that they are then placing THEIR copyright on is going to make things even more messy.  How long until ContentID claims DJ Earwig “STOLE” Fox’s property and ends up shutting down his channel?

Fans of Glee, there are a few it seems, will most likely never hear DJ Earwig or Jonathan Coulton, and if they do it will be assumed that they just lifted it from Fox.  Fox stole the work, they are stealing the credit for the work, and if unchecked they will erase the originals and usurp them.

They helped rob us of having a public domain, we need to stop them from stealing more of our culture to make a buck.

]]> By: That_Anonymous_Coward http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633553 That_Anonymous_Coward Tue, 22 Jan 2013 02:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633553 So Rome fell maybe because of lead pipes... Does this mean we can keep hoping Hollywood will fall because of the cocaine? So Rome fell maybe because of lead pipes…
Does this mean we can keep hoping Hollywood will fall because of the cocaine?

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633423 Antinous / Moderator Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:21:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633423 Idiots who haven't bothered to read the post commenting?  PLEASE! Idiots who haven’t bothered to read the post commenting?  PLEASE!

]]> By: Nathan Hornby http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633402 Nathan Hornby Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:57:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633402 Cory's all about the Creative Commons, which is heavy on the attribution, and enables the creator to choose how their work is used. Cory’s all about the Creative Commons, which is heavy on the attribution, and enables the creator to choose how their work is used.

]]> By: Nathan Hornby http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633400 Nathan Hornby Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633400 I chose to go with 'Crazed Dog', because it amused me. I chose to go with ‘Crazed Dog’, because it amused me.

]]> By: That_Anonymous_Coward http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633335 That_Anonymous_Coward Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:58:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633335 I thought the avatar always implied it... :D I thought the avatar always implied it… :D

]]> By: Joe Stern http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633336 Joe Stern Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:58:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633336  Orey Octorow  Orey Octorow

]]> By: oasisob1 http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633324 oasisob1 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:47:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633324 I thought it was Charles Darwin. I thought it was Charles Darwin.

]]> By: chaopoiesis http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633320 chaopoiesis Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:45:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633320 Clarence Darrow. Clarence Darrow.

]]> By: chaopoiesis http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633313 chaopoiesis Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:39:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633313 When in Rome, vici. When in Rome, vici.

]]> By: Gerald Mander http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633314 Gerald Mander Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:39:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633314  Sorry, didn't catch the snark. :)  Sorry, didn’t catch the snark. :)

]]> By: Boundegar http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633302 Boundegar Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:29:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633302 CD? CD?

]]> By: Kris N http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633281 Kris N Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:15:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633281 It was really just an a capella version of the song, which is especially apparent when you get to the chorus, since Petra's version is very unique/quirky and Glee pretty much played it straight. Maybe there are some similarities, but nothing on the level of these latest incidents. It was really just an a capella version of the song, which is especially apparent when you get to the chorus, since Petra’s version is very unique/quirky and Glee pretty much played it straight. Maybe there are some similarities, but nothing on the level of these latest incidents.

]]> By: That_Anonymous_Coward http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633278 That_Anonymous_Coward Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:14:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633278 You might have missed my tongue stuck squarely in my cheek... the mask makes that hard. If DJ Earwig had done a cover of a song from Glee, Fox would have chased him to the ends of the earth to get their due.  They would have tried to sue him, even if the law was on his side, because they have a larger war chest they would win. The system is unbalanced and Fox who loves to scream about people 'stealing' their copyrighted content is caught once again having no respect for others copyrighted material that they take to profit from. You might have missed my tongue stuck squarely in my cheek… the mask makes that hard.

If DJ Earwig had done a cover of a song from Glee, Fox would have chased him to the ends of the earth to get their due.  They would have tried to sue him, even if the law was on his side, because they have a larger war chest they would win.

The system is unbalanced and Fox who loves to scream about people ‘stealing’ their copyrighted content is caught once again having no respect for others copyrighted material that they take to profit from.

]]> By: Paul Turnbull http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633259 Paul Turnbull Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:00:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633259 Plagiarism is misrepresenting someone else's work as your own. Coulton and Earworm credited the original writers and performers. Not plagiarism. Glee using someone's original arrangement or mashup and not crediting it makes it appear that it was their work. Plagiarism. Plagiarism is misrepresenting someone else’s work as your own. Coulton and Earworm credited the original writers and performers. Not plagiarism. Glee using someone’s original arrangement or mashup and not crediting it makes it appear that it was their work. Plagiarism.

]]> By: Gerald Mander http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633252 Gerald Mander Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633252 Common Law copyright dictates that the creator of a work owns the copyright. Creators can sell or lease their copyrights, however, and that's what many do, in exchange for the big machine of promotion and distirbutuion. Are the corporations greedy cheats? Sure. Is anyone forcing the creators to assign their copyrights? No. Common Law copyright dictates that the creator of a work owns the copyright. Creators can sell or lease their copyrights, however, and that’s what many do, in exchange for the big machine of promotion and distirbutuion. Are the corporations greedy cheats? Sure. Is anyone forcing the creators to assign their copyrights? No.

]]> By: BookGuy http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633250 BookGuy Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:53:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633250 I know Petra Hayden's cover, but I don't watch the show.  Did they rip off the whole arrangement, or did they just do an acapella version of the song? I know Petra Hayden’s cover, but I don’t watch the show.  Did they rip off the whole arrangement, or did they just do an acapella version of the song?

]]> By: Gerald Mander http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633248 Gerald Mander Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:52:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633248 Coulton paid the Harry Fox agency for the right to do a cover version of Baby's Got Back. Earworm mashes up existing works to create new ones. Glee used the Coulton & Earworm pieces nearly identically and did not credit, pay, or in any away acknowledge them. There's only one plagiarist here. Coulton paid the Harry Fox agency for the right to do a cover version of Baby’s Got Back. Earworm mashes up existing works to create new ones. Glee used the Coulton & Earworm pieces nearly identically and did not credit, pay, or in any away acknowledge them. There’s only one plagiarist here.

]]> By: Gerald Mander http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633246 Gerald Mander Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:51:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633246 Cory, since you've written extensively on the benefits of being able to repurpose existing media (and encouraged others to do so with your own work), I'm curious where you stand on this. You seem to be dinging Glee for it. For you, is it an issue of authorship, or credit, or money, or something else? Cory, since you’ve written extensively on the benefits of being able to repurpose existing media (and encouraged others to do so with your own work), I’m curious where you stand on this. You seem to be dinging Glee for it. For you, is it an issue of authorship, or credit, or money, or something else?

]]> By: chenille http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633244 chenille Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:50:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633244 You could have turned that around just as easily: When companies want to use someone else's intellectual property, they often suggest it should be free for anyone. Yet when someone uses their intellectual property, they often insist that it's plagiarism - or theft. Might it be possible CD is just against this double standard? I guess the only way to answer that would be to pay attention to what he actually says about it...so there's no way we can ever know. You could have turned that around just as easily:
When companies want to use someone else’s intellectual property, they often suggest it should be free for anyone. Yet when someone uses their intellectual property, they often insist that it’s plagiarism – or theft.

Might it be possible CD is just against this double standard? I guess the only way to answer that would be to pay attention to what he actually says about it…so there’s no way we can ever know.

]]> By: Ultra Fem http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633233 Ultra Fem Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:44:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633233 Plagiarists crying about plagiarism? PLEASE! Plagiarists crying about plagiarism? PLEASE!

]]> By: azaner http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633221 azaner Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:32:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633221 When money is being made off intellectual property by its owner, CD often suggests that the property should be free for anyone to use.  Yet when money is being made by the free use of someone else's intellectual property, CD often suggests that it's plagiarism.  One could be forgiven for concluding from this mixed data that far from presenting a consistent position on IP issues, CD is, in fact, just "for" any perceived underdog and "against" anyone making money, no matter which side of the equation they're on. That said, I hate Glee.   When money is being made off intellectual property by its owner, CD often suggests that the property should be free for anyone to use.  Yet when money is being made by the free use of someone else’s intellectual property, CD often suggests that it’s plagiarism.  One could be forgiven for concluding from this mixed data that far from presenting a consistent position on IP issues, CD is, in fact, just “for” any perceived underdog and “against” anyone making money, no matter which side of the equation they’re on.

That said, I hate Glee.  

]]> By: That_Anonymous_Coward http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633207 That_Anonymous_Coward Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:15:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633207 Why is everyone surprised? Copyright old exists for corporations to make money from the work of others, and only corporations can hold them. Why is everyone surprised?
Copyright old exists for corporations to make money from the work of others, and only corporations can hold them.

]]> By: CaptainPedge http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633175 CaptainPedge Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:37:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633175 Except from the producers of Glee Except from the producers of Glee

]]> By: Øyvind http://boingboing.net/2013/01/21/more-plagiarism-from-glee.html#comment-1633162 Øyvind Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:21:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=206795#comment-1633162 plagiarized by glee? never mind victimless crimes. this is a crime where everyone loses. plagiarized by glee? never mind victimless crimes. this is a crime where everyone loses.

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