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	<title>Comments on: American insurers charge reckless rich drivers less than safe poor&#160;drivers</title>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1643197</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup.</description>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I under stand that predictive correlations aren&#039;t necessarily causal, but still make good business sense.

I made a comment above but maybe you&#039;re able to answer it. I moved to a walkable city, returned my car at the end of it&#039;s lease, then didn&#039;t need insurance anymore. If I get a car again in a few years, will my rates be higher because of the lapse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I under stand that predictive correlations aren&#8217;t necessarily causal, but still make good business sense.</p>
<p>I made a comment above but maybe you&#8217;re able to answer it. I moved to a walkable city, returned my car at the end of it&#8217;s lease, then didn&#8217;t need insurance anymore. If I get a car again in a few years, will my rates be higher because of the lapse?</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1643064</link>
		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why? I moved to a walkable city and ditched my car last year. Does that mean if I move a year from now and get a car again I&#039;ll be paying dramatically more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why? I moved to a walkable city and ditched my car last year. Does that mean if I move a year from now and get a car again I&#8217;ll be paying dramatically more?</p>
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		<title>By: ohbejoyful</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1642153</link>
		<dc:creator>ohbejoyful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 06:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;File more insurance claims&quot; isn&#039;t the same as &quot;being a greater risk for causing accidents&quot;. If paying a higher rate because I&#039;m more likely to simply file a claim (eg, in a no-fault state) is ok, then we should just call them savings plans, not insurance plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;File more insurance claims&#8221; isn&#8217;t the same as &#8220;being a greater risk for causing accidents&#8221;. If paying a higher rate because I&#8217;m more likely to simply file a claim (eg, in a no-fault state) is ok, then we should just call them savings plans, not insurance plans.</p>
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		<title>By: IronEdithKidd</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1641609</link>
		<dc:creator>IronEdithKidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, that&#039;s the front end of one Acura and the rear of one Prius.  I&#039;m some kind of magnet for getting rear-ended and/or hit-and-run&#039;d.  As for the cars that hit mine, I neither know nor care what their repairs cost were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that&#8217;s the front end of one Acura and the rear of one Prius.  I&#8217;m some kind of magnet for getting rear-ended and/or hit-and-run&#8217;d.  As for the cars that hit mine, I neither know nor care what their repairs cost were.</p>
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		<title>By: Vnend</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1641310</link>
		<dc:creator>Vnend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, that&#039;s one car.  Now what about what was hit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, that&#8217;s one car.  Now what about what was hit?</p>
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		<title>By: IronEdithKidd</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1641306</link>
		<dc:creator>IronEdithKidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the answer!  $800 is what it costs to replace a bumper fascia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the answer!  $800 is what it costs to replace a bumper fascia.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1641067</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The study does not say that State Farm charged the receptionist less than the affluent woman. It says that they had the lowest or second lowest quotes in every market. In other words, State Farm is just cheaper.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The study does not say that State Farm charged the receptionist less than the affluent woman. It says that they had the lowest or second lowest quotes in every market. In other words, State Farm is just cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 07:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we apply that principle to pharmaceuticals?</description>
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		<title>By: Ray Lehmann</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1640788</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Lehmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 03:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In the study they were only asking for basic auto policy quotes, not home insurance or anything else. Not sure how this makes any difference.....&quot;

No room to reply above, so I&#039;ll continue here. Unlike Geico and Progressive, State Farm has other products to cross-sell. This, in addition to the fact that they are a mutual rather than a public company, informs their interest in volume of policies as being a higher priority than attracting only the best, most profitable risks. They are interested in having more people establish relationships with the company and its captive agents, and then using that relationship to encourage policyholders to buy other products. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the study they were only asking for basic auto policy quotes, not home insurance or anything else. Not sure how this makes any difference&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>No room to reply above, so I&#8217;ll continue here. Unlike Geico and Progressive, State Farm has other products to cross-sell. This, in addition to the fact that they are a mutual rather than a public company, informs their interest in volume of policies as being a higher priority than attracting only the best, most profitable risks. They are interested in having more people establish relationships with the company and its captive agents, and then using that relationship to encourage policyholders to buy other products. </p>
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		<title>By: jellyfibs</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1640783</link>
		<dc:creator>jellyfibs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 02:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like there would need to be a break down of why someone had a lapse. There are those that might lapse because they are in a financial bind and they are trying to cut corners and continue to participate in &quot;risky&quot; behavior. There are also those that don&#039;t have insurance because they don&#039;t have cars, sometimes because their finances dictate it as being out of reach, but not all of the time.They might just have other priorities. 

I personally don&#039;t have car insurance, nor have I had it for over 4 years because I don&#039;t have a car. I don&#039;t have a car because I found myself barely using the thing and I still had to worry about the base costs of insurance, registration, parking, etc. even if I didn&#039;t use it. Turns out it is possible to live without a car in Los Angeles. It&#039;s not that I was in a finincial bind, I just have no need for a car right now. I suspect as time goes on, there will be more people like me in cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like there would need to be a break down of why someone had a lapse. There are those that might lapse because they are in a financial bind and they are trying to cut corners and continue to participate in &#8220;risky&#8221; behavior. There are also those that don&#8217;t have insurance because they don&#8217;t have cars, sometimes because their finances dictate it as being out of reach, but not all of the time.They might just have other priorities. </p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t have car insurance, nor have I had it for over 4 years because I don&#8217;t have a car. I don&#8217;t have a car because I found myself barely using the thing and I still had to worry about the base costs of insurance, registration, parking, etc. even if I didn&#8217;t use it. Turns out it is possible to live without a car in Los Angeles. It&#8217;s not that I was in a finincial bind, I just have no need for a car right now. I suspect as time goes on, there will be more people like me in cities.</p>
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		<title>By: fivetonsflax</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1640754</link>
		<dc:creator>fivetonsflax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 02:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all of us, no. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all of us, no. </p>
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		<title>By: yahoo-E4LRYB252EYEOTSDK5ZBWLBZ6U</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The actuaries don&#039;t care about causation one way or the other. They care about making sure at the end of the year they have paid out less in claims than they took in in premiums. Correlation is adequate for their needs, and causation is irrelevant. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The actuaries don&#8217;t care about causation one way or the other. They care about making sure at the end of the year they have paid out less in claims than they took in in premiums. Correlation is adequate for their needs, and causation is irrelevant. </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1640682</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have low rates because I&#039;m 55.  I feel that the overall quality of my life would be improved by just socializing it.  My rates would be somewhat higher, but it would get more people insured.  I know a lot of people who have been hit by uninsured drivers and it makes an accident a much worse experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have low rates because I&#8217;m 55.  I feel that the overall quality of my life would be improved by just socializing it.  My rates would be somewhat higher, but it would get more people insured.  I know a lot of people who have been hit by uninsured drivers and it makes an accident a much worse experience.</p>
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		<title>By: That_Anonymous_Coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>That_Anonymous_Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lessons learned...
- Rich people get better things for being rich.
- Regular people get less nice things.
- Survey data can be skewed by factors not considered.

A better question would be what would the rates of the 2 test cases have been in 3 years of continued coverage.  Betcha the regular persons rate wouldn&#039;t change much.  I remember when I was a little coward, I was looking forward to getting past the magic number age when my rates would drop, because then I&#039;d be a real grownup.  They spiked my rate before that birthday, and then cut my rate by almost as much as they spiked it by.  No accidents, no tickets, continuous coverage... but rates jumped so I would see a &quot;savings&quot; for becoming a mature driver. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lessons learned&#8230;<br />
- Rich people get better things for being rich.<br />
- Regular people get less nice things.<br />
- Survey data can be skewed by factors not considered.</p>
<p>A better question would be what would the rates of the 2 test cases have been in 3 years of continued coverage.  Betcha the regular persons rate wouldn&#8217;t change much.  I remember when I was a little coward, I was looking forward to getting past the magic number age when my rates would drop, because then I&#8217;d be a real grownup.  They spiked my rate before that birthday, and then cut my rate by almost as much as they spiked it by.  No accidents, no tickets, continuous coverage&#8230; but rates jumped so I would see a &#8220;savings&#8221; for becoming a mature driver. </p>
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		<title>By: hadlockk</title>
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		<dc:creator>hadlockk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich drivers are more likely to pay their bills on time. Why would you alienate the guy who pays you every month, in favor of the guy who pays late, if at all? Once you drop the guy for late payments, do you think he&#039;s coming back? The rich customer will see the low rates and continue paying them for years and years. Insert quote about how much it costs to get one new customer etc etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich drivers are more likely to pay their bills on time. Why would you alienate the guy who pays you every month, in favor of the guy who pays late, if at all? Once you drop the guy for late payments, do you think he&#8217;s coming back? The rich customer will see the low rates and continue paying them for years and years. Insert quote about how much it costs to get one new customer etc etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1640641</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Help me understand why this matters?  In the study they were only asking for basic auto policy quotes, not home insurance or anything else. Not sure how this makes any difference.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Help me understand why this matters?  In the study they were only asking for basic auto policy quotes, not home insurance or anything else. Not sure how this makes any difference&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Lehmann</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1640630</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Lehmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The goal of State Farm isn&#039;t merely profits. Profits is one of the goals, for sure, but there are different motivations when you are a mutual company (where profits are simply going to be paid back to policyholders as dividends) than when you are a public company (where profits are going to be paid out to shareholders who are not policyholders.) Moreover, as I said, State Farm has a broad array of products that they look to sell to their customers, whereas Geico and Progressive do not. Farmers and Allstate do have a few products, but Allstate&#039;s actually gotten out of the life insurance and banking businesses, and it&#039;s been shrinking, rather than growing, its homeowners business for a long time now. Allstate is likewise a public company, and Farmers is controlled by Zurich, which is a public company in Switzerland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The goal of State Farm isn&#8217;t merely profits. Profits is one of the goals, for sure, but there are different motivations when you are a mutual company (where profits are simply going to be paid back to policyholders as dividends) than when you are a public company (where profits are going to be paid out to shareholders who are not policyholders.) Moreover, as I said, State Farm has a broad array of products that they look to sell to their customers, whereas Geico and Progressive do not. Farmers and Allstate do have a few products, but Allstate&#8217;s actually gotten out of the life insurance and banking businesses, and it&#8217;s been shrinking, rather than growing, its homeowners business for a long time now. Allstate is likewise a public company, and Farmers is controlled by Zurich, which is a public company in Switzerland.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is a pretty terrible article and a very poorly conducted experiment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I would consider taking you seriously if any part of your comment didn&#039;t repeat things that other commenters have already said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is a pretty terrible article and a very poorly conducted experiment.</p></blockquote>
<p>I would consider taking you seriously if any part of your comment didn&#8217;t repeat things that other commenters have already said.</p>
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		<title>By: Vnend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vnend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what kind of damage you can do to (a couple of) cars these days that only results in $800 in repairs.  Not much, I bet...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what kind of damage you can do to (a couple of) cars these days that only results in $800 in repairs.  Not much, I bet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Kulda</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1640618</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Kulda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People with the lowest 20% of credit scores file 250% more insurance claims than those in the top 20% of credit scores, according to data from Allstate several years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People with the lowest 20% of credit scores file 250% more insurance claims than those in the top 20% of credit scores, according to data from Allstate several years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Kulda</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1640616</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Kulda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CFA&#039;s study is fatally flawed because it allowed for more variables between the two woman than just education and income.  Notably the lower income woman was not insured for 45 days which is a high risk factor.  The study should have had that fact be the same for both.  In fact the data sets for both women should have been EXACTLY the same except for one factor like income or education, then you could make the claim the CFA is making.  And, sadly, Bob Hunter is a former actuary and KNOWS this.  So clearly this was just an attempt to get publicity using flawed data to try to attack the insurance industry.
In fact if you look into the survey they used (and most reporters won&#039;t spend the intellectual capital to do so), you&#039;ll see that in 30 cases the executive got a better rate.  But not always.  In a full 20 cases the receptionist got a better deal.  So how do you say that is improperly discriminatory?
What is good about the CFA&#039;s press release is it calls attention to the fact that it is a very wise consumer tip to ALWAYS shop your insurance coverage at each renewal because the market is very competitive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CFA&#8217;s study is fatally flawed because it allowed for more variables between the two woman than just education and income.  Notably the lower income woman was not insured for 45 days which is a high risk factor.  The study should have had that fact be the same for both.  In fact the data sets for both women should have been EXACTLY the same except for one factor like income or education, then you could make the claim the CFA is making.  And, sadly, Bob Hunter is a former actuary and KNOWS this.  So clearly this was just an attempt to get publicity using flawed data to try to attack the insurance industry.<br />
In fact if you look into the survey they used (and most reporters won&#8217;t spend the intellectual capital to do so), you&#8217;ll see that in 30 cases the executive got a better rate.  But not always.  In a full 20 cases the receptionist got a better deal.  So how do you say that is improperly discriminatory?<br />
What is good about the CFA&#8217;s press release is it calls attention to the fact that it is a very wise consumer tip to ALWAYS shop your insurance coverage at each renewal because the market is very competitive.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m kind of blown away to see this much trust&lt;/blockquote&gt;Sniffing the taints of the rich and powerful never goes out of style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m kind of blown away to see this much trust</p></blockquote>
<p>Sniffing the taints of the rich and powerful never goes out of style.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1640606</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re missing the obvious:  In the insurance industry, &lt;b&gt;correlation equals causation.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re missing the obvious:  In the insurance industry, <b>correlation equals causation.</b></p>
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		<title>By: pandabears</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1640582</link>
		<dc:creator>pandabears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 21:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right  - I guess what I meant is that each state has to approve the factors which any auto insurer intends to use for underwriting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right  - I guess what I meant is that each state has to approve the factors which any auto insurer intends to use for underwriting.</p>
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		<title>By: pandabears</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1640560</link>
		<dc:creator>pandabears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 21:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My post is not in defense of insurance companies underwriting practice. I&#039;m just trying to provide some context. Most companies consider any lapse in insurance coverage to be a negative factor when determining rates. 
If it&#039;s a situation where you own a car and are in a lapse of coverage, it is often weighed more heavily against the driver. The amount of days (usually under 30 or over 30) has a proportionate impact as well.
I believe they do often consider situations where you&#039;re buying a new car as well - but a driver with continuous coverage is still a preferred risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My post is not in defense of insurance companies underwriting practice. I&#8217;m just trying to provide some context. Most companies consider any lapse in insurance coverage to be a negative factor when determining rates. <br />
If it&#8217;s a situation where you own a car and are in a lapse of coverage, it is often weighed more heavily against the driver. The amount of days (usually under 30 or over 30) has a proportionate impact as well.<br />
I believe they do often consider situations where you&#8217;re buying a new car as well &#8211; but a driver with continuous coverage is still a preferred risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1640547</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 21:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Most property and casualty insurance is sold by independent agents and brokers who sell products from multiple companies, and yes it is common for agents to receive bonuses based on how profitable the business is.&lt;/i&gt;

If the goal is simply profits, then shouldn&#039;t all these companies be using the same formulas? Certainly that makes one of these methods wrong.

&lt;i&gt;In the case of Geico and Progressive, Geico doesn&#039;t use agents at all.&lt;/i&gt;

They actually do have agents, but most of their business is handled online and by phone, true.

Farmers, who are also in the study have 50,000 agents. Allstate, who are second next to State Farm is agent based too.

I&#039;m still not seeing any kind of compelling argument for why State Farm would do the opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Most property and casualty insurance is sold by independent agents and brokers who sell products from multiple companies, and yes it is common for agents to receive bonuses based on how profitable the business is.</i></p>
<p>If the goal is simply profits, then shouldn&#8217;t all these companies be using the same formulas? Certainly that makes one of these methods wrong.</p>
<p><i>In the case of Geico and Progressive, Geico doesn&#8217;t use agents at all.</i></p>
<p>They actually do have agents, but most of their business is handled online and by phone, true.</p>
<p>Farmers, who are also in the study have 50,000 agents. Allstate, who are second next to State Farm is agent based too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still not seeing any kind of compelling argument for why State Farm would do the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Lehmann</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1640447</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Lehmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &quot;I&#039;m fairly certain these are blanket regulations, that are required nationally, but they do often vary by state as well.&quot;

They vary quite a bit state to state. With the relatively new exception of HHS acting in same cases like a health insurance regulator under the ACA, there is no federal insurance regulator. It is an entirely state regulated business</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8221;I&#8217;m fairly certain these are blanket regulations, that are required nationally, but they do often vary by state as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>They vary quite a bit state to state. With the relatively new exception of HHS acting in same cases like a health insurance regulator under the ACA, there is no federal insurance regulator. It is an entirely state regulated business</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Lehmann</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1640444</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Lehmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> State Farm uses &quot;captive&quot; agents, who work directly for the company and only the company. This used to be common but it is today relatively rare. Most property and casualty insurance is sold by independent agents and brokers who sell products from multiple companies, and yes it is common for agents to receive bonuses based on how profitable the business is.

In the case of Geico and Progressive, Geico doesn&#039;t use agents at all. Progressive does use independent agents, but most of its business is acquired (like Geico&#039;s) online. And that&#039;s actually relevant to this discussion as well. The use of credit, in particular, kicked off the &quot;automated underwriting&quot; craze. When you can boil down whether or not to take a risk, and how much to charge them, to a relatively simple formula, that makes it much much easier to use the Internet as your sales force, automatically quoting and binding business. State Farm doesn&#039;t have an online sales tool -- all of its policies are sold by individual agents, and the risks are reviewed by human underwriters.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> State Farm uses &#8220;captive&#8221; agents, who work directly for the company and only the company. This used to be common but it is today relatively rare. Most property and casualty insurance is sold by independent agents and brokers who sell products from multiple companies, and yes it is common for agents to receive bonuses based on how profitable the business is.</p>
<p>In the case of Geico and Progressive, Geico doesn&#8217;t use agents at all. Progressive does use independent agents, but most of its business is acquired (like Geico&#8217;s) online. And that&#8217;s actually relevant to this discussion as well. The use of credit, in particular, kicked off the &#8220;automated underwriting&#8221; craze. When you can boil down whether or not to take a risk, and how much to charge them, to a relatively simple formula, that makes it much much easier to use the Internet as your sales force, automatically quoting and binding business. State Farm doesn&#8217;t have an online sales tool &#8212; all of its policies are sold by individual agents, and the risks are reviewed by human underwriters.</p>
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		<title>By: Dv Revolutionary</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/american-insurers-charge-reckl.html#comment-1640400</link>
		<dc:creator>Dv Revolutionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you have experienced an injustice therefore you now think it&#039;s O.K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you have experienced an injustice therefore you now think it&#8217;s O.K.</p>
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