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		<title>By: Dorkomatic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/epic-online-space-battle-sees.html#comment-1642354</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorkomatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s like Ernie Cline&#039;s &quot;Ready Player One&quot;  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like Ernie Cline&#8217;s &#8220;Ready Player One&#8221;  </p>
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		<title>By: invictus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/epic-online-space-battle-sees.html#comment-1641597</link>
		<dc:creator>invictus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll never get that year of my life back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll never get that year of my life back.</p>
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		<title>By: Engineer_</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/epic-online-space-battle-sees.html#comment-1641017</link>
		<dc:creator>Engineer_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many people cried &quot;Leeeeeeroy Jenkiiiins&quot; before going in there. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many people cried &#8220;Leeeeeeroy Jenkiiiins&#8221; before going in there. </p>
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		<title>By: chris coreline</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/epic-online-space-battle-sees.html#comment-1640944</link>
		<dc:creator>chris coreline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> i prefer &#039;subscription based IRC client&#039; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> i prefer &#8216;subscription based IRC client&#8217; </p>
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		<title>By: invictus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/epic-online-space-battle-sees.html#comment-1640830</link>
		<dc:creator>invictus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CCP actually has a standing request that corps planning major actions notify CCP admin beforehand. Resources are allocated accordingly, which makes the experience better for all involved. Without that... Let&#039;s just say that major trading hubs like Jita can be painfully slow during peak load periods, and those are *known* to be high-activity spots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CCP actually has a standing request that corps planning major actions notify CCP admin beforehand. Resources are allocated accordingly, which makes the experience better for all involved. Without that&#8230; Let&#8217;s just say that major trading hubs like Jita can be painfully slow during peak load periods, and those are *known* to be high-activity spots.</p>
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		<title>By: mjed</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/epic-online-space-battle-sees.html#comment-1640781</link>
		<dc:creator>mjed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaBigRedBoat (commonly known as DBRB) never fails to disappoint.  This whole event was really a long series of increasingly expensive mistakes, culminating in one of the largest and more expensive engagements in EVE-O recently.  

Time Dilation (TiDi) helped make it much more playable than it would have been a couple years ago, but also helped make it worse:  since time was operating at a mere 10% of normal time inside the system, it gave hours of time for everyone else and their brother to travel from the far ends of the universe to be a part of it.

http://themittani.com/news/asakai-aftermath-all-over-cobalt-moon explains it pretty well.

As for the learning curve of EVE, this image is old but still quite apt.  If you can make it to the top, you can finally &quot;win @ EVE&quot; by not logging in.  http://cdn.overclock.net/1/12/127a2824_eve-online-learning-curve.jpeg  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaBigRedBoat (commonly known as DBRB) never fails to disappoint.  This whole event was really a long series of increasingly expensive mistakes, culminating in one of the largest and more expensive engagements in EVE-O recently.  </p>
<p>Time Dilation (TiDi) helped make it much more playable than it would have been a couple years ago, but also helped make it worse:  since time was operating at a mere 10% of normal time inside the system, it gave hours of time for everyone else and their brother to travel from the far ends of the universe to be a part of it.</p>
<p><a href="http://themittani.com/news/asakai-aftermath-all-over-cobalt-moon" rel="nofollow">http://themittani.com/news/asakai-aftermath-all-over-cobalt-moon</a> explains it pretty well.</p>
<p>As for the learning curve of EVE, this image is old but still quite apt.  If you can make it to the top, you can finally &#8220;win @ EVE&#8221; by not logging in.  http://cdn.overclock.net/1/12/127a2824_eve-online-learning-curve.jpeg  </p>
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		<title>By: Halloween_Jack</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/epic-online-space-battle-sees.html#comment-1640675</link>
		<dc:creator>Halloween_Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I used to think it was a big deal when we&#039;d get 50 or so players together in City of Heroes to take down Hamidon. But then, in City, the character concept and execution was way more important than number crunching, even though there was plenty of that going on, too.

*sigh* I miss City of Heroes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I used to think it was a big deal when we&#8217;d get 50 or so players together in City of Heroes to take down Hamidon. But then, in City, the character concept and execution was way more important than number crunching, even though there was plenty of that going on, too.</p>
<p>*sigh* I miss City of Heroes.</p>
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		<title>By: Halloween_Jack</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/epic-online-space-battle-sees.html#comment-1640672</link>
		<dc:creator>Halloween_Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a good analogy in the article: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;“These two superpowers have been somewhat friends for three years, but relationships are getting strained. They’ve been arguing with each other for a few days now, and the guy controlling Paris (a single EVE ship, but one of the most powerful ones) last night hit the wrong button. He teleported the city of Paris into Canada (Pandemic in my example) but forgot to teleport all the suburbs (ships) around the city, stranding it. Canada ganged up on Paris instantly and called in the US to help. So basically the US and Canada obliterated Paris. Europe sent in reinforcements but without a good strategy against an already prepared North America they were also crushed.”
“Europe is now without three major cities and ten or so minor ones. They still have plenty of resources left, but it was a great first strike. Especially since North America pretty much lost nothing.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;If it still seems like a lot of fuss over a game, put it in the context that there&#039;s some real money trading going on, to the tune of thousands of dollars, lost because someone made a simple mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a good analogy in the article: </p>
<blockquote><p>“These two superpowers have been somewhat friends for three years, but relationships are getting strained. They’ve been arguing with each other for a few days now, and the guy controlling Paris (a single EVE ship, but one of the most powerful ones) last night hit the wrong button. He teleported the city of Paris into Canada (Pandemic in my example) but forgot to teleport all the suburbs (ships) around the city, stranding it. Canada ganged up on Paris instantly and called in the US to help. So basically the US and Canada obliterated Paris. Europe sent in reinforcements but without a good strategy against an already prepared North America they were also crushed.”<br />
“Europe is now without three major cities and ten or so minor ones. They still have plenty of resources left, but it was a great first strike. Especially since North America pretty much lost nothing.”</p></blockquote>
<p>If it still seems like a lot of fuss over a game, put it in the context that there&#8217;s some real money trading going on, to the tune of thousands of dollars, lost because someone made a simple mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: peterblue11</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/epic-online-space-battle-sees.html#comment-1640457</link>
		<dc:creator>peterblue11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>biggest online direct battle i played in was maybe 120 players ( a shooter) . its crazy to think thousands were involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>biggest online direct battle i played in was maybe 120 players ( a shooter) . its crazy to think thousands were involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Sirkowski</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/epic-online-space-battle-sees.html#comment-1640431</link>
		<dc:creator>Sirkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The King is dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The King is dead.</p>
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		<title>By: madopal</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/epic-online-space-battle-sees.html#comment-1640402</link>
		<dc:creator>madopal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technically, those vids are sped up.  Apparently, when a server node is overloaded, it goes into a time dilation, which slows down the simulation so the server can handle it.  On the second vid from RPS, when the chatter stops &amp; the music starts, the video is sped up.  Granted, I don&#039;t know too many machines that could handle 2800+ ships worth of traffic any other way, so props to them for doing what they could.

In addition to being a screensaver and more fun to read about than to play, EVE truly is the most beautiful spreadsheet ever created.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technically, those vids are sped up.  Apparently, when a server node is overloaded, it goes into a time dilation, which slows down the simulation so the server can handle it.  On the second vid from RPS, when the chatter stops &amp; the music starts, the video is sped up.  Granted, I don&#8217;t know too many machines that could handle 2800+ ships worth of traffic any other way, so props to them for doing what they could.</p>
<p>In addition to being a screensaver and more fun to read about than to play, EVE truly is the most beautiful spreadsheet ever created.</p>
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		<title>By: stillcantfightthedite</title>
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		<dc:creator>stillcantfightthedite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a person who has played EVE Online to some degree, my take on the &quot;GAME MORE FUN TO READ ABOUT THAN TO PLAY&quot; is that it is due to the level of difficulty of getting from zero to what you see in the above YouTube videos, particularly if you don&#039;t already have a social network within the EVE Online community.  

I spent a few months setting up my character&#039;s revenue stream, so that I could have the money I needed to get the higher level ships and equipment I wanted without having to use up every weekend to get there.  While it was certainly an interesting exercise, I wouldn&#039;t classify this work under what society or even the BoingBoing community traditionally refers to as &quot;fun&quot;.

So if you don&#039;t think mastery of revenue streams and market opportunism as fun, then don&#039;t bother playing EVE.  That is, unless you have friends that can just give you the things you need to have fun in EVE, or you want to dish out real cash to purchase things in-game via PLEX.

http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=PLEX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person who has played EVE Online to some degree, my take on the &#8220;GAME MORE FUN TO READ ABOUT THAN TO PLAY&#8221; is that it is due to the level of difficulty of getting from zero to what you see in the above YouTube videos, particularly if you don&#8217;t already have a social network within the EVE Online community.  </p>
<p>I spent a few months setting up my character&#8217;s revenue stream, so that I could have the money I needed to get the higher level ships and equipment I wanted without having to use up every weekend to get there.  While it was certainly an interesting exercise, I wouldn&#8217;t classify this work under what society or even the BoingBoing community traditionally refers to as &#8220;fun&#8221;.</p>
<p>So if you don&#8217;t think mastery of revenue streams and market opportunism as fun, then don&#8217;t bother playing EVE.  That is, unless you have friends that can just give you the things you need to have fun in EVE, or you want to dish out real cash to purchase things in-game via PLEX.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=PLEX" rel="nofollow">http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=PLEX</a></p>
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		<title>By: Koocheekoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Koocheekoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never played EVE Online although, like the person who wrote this up, the game has always fascinated me.  I often wonder if we ever truly make it out to space if this game might be held up as a model of what works and does not - kind of like a modern reading of The Art of War. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never played EVE Online although, like the person who wrote this up, the game has always fascinated me.  I often wonder if we ever truly make it out to space if this game might be held up as a model of what works and does not &#8211; kind of like a modern reading of The Art of War. </p>
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		<title>By: dculberson</title>
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		<dc:creator>dculberson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;GAME MORE FUN TO READ ABOUT THAN TO PLAY&quot;

Wonderful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;GAME MORE FUN TO READ ABOUT THAN TO PLAY&#8221;</p>
<p>Wonderful.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Shevett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Shevett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a look at the video.  The Eve client handled it perfectly. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at the video.  The Eve client handled it perfectly. </p>
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		<title>By: SomeGuyNamedMark</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/epic-online-space-battle-sees.html#comment-1640198</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeGuyNamedMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the battle was 1 fps for most people </description>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have no idea what i just read. and i thought i knew a lot about los internets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have no idea what i just read. and i thought i knew a lot about los internets.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Pootel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Pootel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even the good video doesn&#039;t do EVE&#039;s visuals justice.  I have always like the description of it as a &quot;Massive Multiplayer Online Screensaver&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even the good video doesn&#8217;t do EVE&#8217;s visuals justice.  I have always like the description of it as a &#8220;Massive Multiplayer Online Screensaver&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jandrese</title>
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		<dc:creator>jandrese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like that Clusterfuck guy lived up to his name.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like that Clusterfuck guy lived up to his name.   </p>
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		<title>By: Funk Daddy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/01/29/epic-online-space-battle-sees.html#comment-1640161</link>
		<dc:creator>Funk Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sopretty video, makes me want to give up peaceful ISK earning ways and venture back to nullsec/lowsec to lose many ships</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sopretty video, makes me want to give up peaceful ISK earning ways and venture back to nullsec/lowsec to lose many ships</p>
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