WTO gives Antigua the right to sell pirated American copyrighted goods


23 Responses to “WTO gives Antigua the right to sell pirated American copyrighted goods”

  1. edgore says:

    Wait…gambling is an export?

    Edited to add – Based on this logic will drug exporting countries soon be allowed to establish similar sites, since the US outlaws the import of their products? Not kidding – I am just curious what make online gambling different than, say, cocaine.

    • xzzy says:

      Ten years arguing about it in a courtroom is the difference, apparently.

    • KvH says:

      Most likely because it isn’t a legal export from those countries either. But yeah, wtf?

      • Warren_Terra says:

        I believe coca leaves are legal for domestic use in Bolivia, and maybe khat in some east African country. What’s to stop a country that has any exportable item illegal in the USA from making a similar claim? Can we sue Saudi Arabia because they won’t allow the importation of American-made porn? Or sue Singapore because they banned chewing gum?

    • Bashtarle says:

      Yeah I’d really like to see the shiestie logic that classifies gambling as a legitimate export.

      • dmatos says:

        The fact that the US allows home-grown gambling sites to operate within its borders, but blocked those from Antigua.  That’s the “shiestie logic” that does so.

        The US is not permitted by the WTO to block foreign companies from its legitimate markets.  By allowing US-owned gambling sites, they legitimized the market.  Blocking Antiguan sites was an unfair trade practice.

        • edgore says:

          The US doesn’t allow online gambling from US companies either. It allows location based gambling. And as far as I know there is nothing stopping an Antiguan company from opening a casino in the United States. So, I don’t think that’s a valid argument. If the US allowed US companies to have online gambling, this would make sense. Otherwise, I call shenanigans.

          • Todd Knarr says:

            The US isn’t shutting down the Vegas or Atlantic City casinos, are they? So, gambling in the US is legal in places that allow it. And I can’t be arrested for driving up to Vegas to gamble, even if gambling is illegal where I live (which it is). The WTO simply decided that my visiting a casino’s Web site is basically the same thing as my visiting the casino, and under the rules the US agreed to it can’t allow people to visit it’s own casinos while barring them from visiting foreign casinos.

            Now, if the US wrote into law that if you don’t live where gambling is legal, say California, you can’t legally visit someplace that gambling is legal, say Nevada, for the purpose of gambling. *Then* the US could probably bar US citizens from using Antiguan gambling sites, because it’s now treating US and Antiguan casinos the same. But the politicians wouldn’t ever go for that, gambling in the US is too big a business and generates too much money.

          • Bashtarle says:

            Except …..They are treating US and Antiguan casinos exactly the same right now.

            You are welcome to go to the casino to gamble. If someone wants to take a trip to Antigua to gamble they are perfectly within their rights to do so.

            However you can’t just pop onto a Nevadan Casino’s website and gamble from California. Hence the same goes for Antiguan casinos.

            I fail to see an issue.

        • Bashtarle says:

          Really don’t bother following online gambling but the few times I have come across blerbs about it. It has typically been gambling sites operating within the US having their sites shut down and assets frozen.

          So I am inclined to believe that they aren’t exactly nurturing US based gambling sites.

        • edgore says:

          Unless this is some sort of fallout from the short period during which some on-line casinos did operate in a legal grey area in the US. A grey area that was cleared up when they were all made illegal. If that’s the case then this is extra stupid.

    • AnthonyC says:

      If money flows from the U.S. to Anitgua for some good or service, that is an Antiguan export.

      Also: Japanese student goes to Harvard and pays tuition, her education is a U.S. export

  2. KvH says:

    Republicans like shutting down treaties like the one on disabled kids recently but love their “fair” trade treaties. Good to see one bite companies in the butt.

  3. Interesting! I had a dream a few weeks ago about a post-apocalyptic pirate island port where rare printed out paper patents were the main trade item:)

  4. NoneL says:

    Why do they think they can sell pirated software and movies when you can still get it all for free?

  5. Tribune says:

    So if it is legal to sell them – is it also legal to purchase? or does it matter where you are?

    • Edd Potts says:

      It might be risky if you’re in a country where your local music and movie industry advocates sue people for a disproportionate amount for illegally downloading a single song/movie.

    • TaymonBeal says:

      Under Antiguan law, it presumably would be legal to use the service. Under U.S. law, it presumably would not. Under international law, it’s not clear at this stage, but in practice international law tends not to affect private citizens (well, at least not U.S. nationals in their own country).

  6. sam1148 says:

    The Pirates of the Caribbean Bay? 

  7. libelle says:

    They may have won this battle, but I fear it just means that they haven’t read much in the way of history books. Many a country in Latin America decided they didn’t like the US policy on fruit production, say, and suffered consequences when they made changes to their local laws.

    Even now, hordes of brightly colored drones with are probably crowding the Antiguan airspace, readying to unleash the Happiest Bombs on Earth.

  8. Sean Breakey says:

    Bit of missing context. as this has been going on for… a year, I think.  The US outlaws all internet gambling, except for on horse races, (guess who paid for that exception).  According to treaty obligations, the US can legally ban internet gambling on moral grounds, but only if they ban all internet gambling.

    Wiki has more info on it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigua#Internet_hosting_and_gaming

    There are basically saying that internet gambling is a pox upon the population, that destroys familes and leaves people destitute… unless they are betting on horses; horses are OK.

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