Comments on: Ed Koch, former mayor of New York, has died.

By: ǝɔʎoſ ʇʇɐW

ǝɔʎoſ ʇʇɐW — Wed, 06 Feb 2013 04:29:00 +0000

They see us ‘empiring’. They hatin.

By: Jen Onymous

Jen Onymous — Tue, 05 Feb 2013 07:32:00 +0000

Hey, don’t be so hard on NYC. It’s one of the greatest cities on Earth-#1 in my book. And, we have the best public transportation of any US city out there, and of most global cities as well.

I think your City Envy is showing.

By: Woody Smith

Woody Smith — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 05:51:00 +0000

His trademark opening question–”How’m I doin’?”–is at last sadly answered.

By: Antinous / Moderator

Antinous / Moderator — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 04:12:00 +0000

If not for moses NYC would never have grown to be the city it is today.

A gigantic, filthy, largely broken down and dysfunctional megalopolis?

He was on the only person forward thinking enough to build for the future.

A future based on limitless consumption of fossil fuels?

50 years from now we’ll all be wishing there were more Robert Moses.

Because there won’t be enough resources to feed the people of New York City and they’ll have resorted to robbing graves for food?

By: ǝɔʎoſ ʇʇɐW

ǝɔʎoſ ʇʇɐW — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 03:26:00 +0000

If not for moses NYC would never have grown to be the city it is today. He was on the only person forward thinking enough to build for the future. Sadly, no one today is doing that. 50 years from now we’ll all be wishing there were more Robert Moses.

By: alex k

alex k — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 00:42:00 +0000

overrated, just like reagan. his supporters want to create this image of a great man, when he really wasn’t.

he wasn’t much of a humanitarian as some people want to believe he is. he was also a supporter of the israeli government’s treatment of palestinians. he neither stood up for AIDS or for human rights.

By: Tavie

Tavie — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 00:21:00 +0000

About 3 years ago, my family was celebrating some birthday or other at Peter Luger’s steakhouse when Koch and a small entourage of guys in suits came in and sat at the next table. They laughed and talked and slapped one another’s backs and enjoyed their steak and my mom and aunt, big Koch fans (for his personality more than his politics) were awed and impressed to be sitting a table away from this guy. They always said he was a “great New Yorker”.

I was a kid during his reign, and he was mostly notable to me for his cameo in The Muppets Take Manhattan.

By: franko

franko — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 23:44:00 +0000

duly noted.

By: Antinous / Moderator

Antinous / Moderator — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 23:08:00 +0000

Well, he does get to make out with Jay Brannan.

By: Charles Bennett

Charles Bennett — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:31:00 +0000

I liked Ed Koch, I lived in NYC from 1978-1993, In a city of 8 to 10 million people he was always approachable, you could hate him or love him, but you could always reach him and talk to him.

As one of my High school teachers said to me “he was an honest man surrounded by dishonest people” no one is mayor of NYC and then succeeds at higher office running NYC make you dirty

By: Antinous / Moderator

Antinous / Moderator — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 22:09:00 +0000

Sounds like mainstream opinion to me.

His critics point out that he displaced hundreds of thousands of residents in New York City, destroying traditional neighborhoods by building expressways through them, and claim that he preferred automobiles to people, contributed to the ruin of the South Bronx and the amusement parks of Coney Island, caused the departure of the Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York Giants Major League baseball teams, and precipitated the decline of public transport through disinvestment and neglect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moses#Criticism

By: Scott Maddix

Scott Maddix — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 21:43:00 +0000

Just what I came here to say. It’s pretty touching and sad.

By: Antinous / Moderator

Antinous / Moderator — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:40:00 +0000

There's an Ed Koch character in Shortbus, who talks about his regret over not doing more about the AIDS crisis.

By: Antinous / Moderator

Antinous / Moderator — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:33:00 +0000

“Andrew Sullivan” and “deference” in the same sentence?

By: franko

franko — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:30:00 +0000

i like andrew sullivan, but i kind of think his piece was too harsh, too soon. couldn’t he have waited a couple days out of deference to his friends and family?

By: gracchus

gracchus — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:14:00 +0000

I think you were replying to guest just below.

By: CliffordS

CliffordS — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:35:00 +0000

I grew up in NYC during all of Koch’s terms throughout the 70s and 80s and nothing really spelled the end of old New York than his predecessors. Koch is not without his faults of course but you have to remember the warzone that the LES was before the 90s.

By: Jonathan Badger

Jonathan Badger — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 19:27:00 +0000

Not to defend it, but this “put expressways and overpasses everywhere” idea of Moses was part of the culture at the time when public transit was seen as a relic of an earlier time rather than a valuable part of the future. There were even plans in the 1960s to run an overpass over the National Mall in DC – think how *that* would have changed that iconic space.

By: gracchus

gracchus — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 18:40:00 +0000

If you’re going to put NYC mayors on a spectrum, Koch is going to start looking less and less awful. Also comparing the mixed legacy of Robert Moses to that of Koch or any other elected official is to ignore enormous differences in time, scale and public accountablity.

By: gracchus

gracchus — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 18:31:00 +0000

Given his way, Robert Moses would have run an expressway through Greenwich Village. The Cross Bronx expressway destroyed entire neighbourhoods, indeed entire communities. Moses consistently championed the automobile over public transit or the pedestrian. This attitude in such a a powerful and largely unaccountable individual did hurt NYC.

That said, Moses’ earlier projects were engineering and economic triumphs that brought the city infrastructure it sorely needed. So with Moses it’s a mixed legacy from an unelected official who overstayed his welcome (unlike Koch, who was voted out and moved on to other things).

By: Chris Kozel

Chris Kozel — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 18:22:00 +0000

Small correction. Not ‘his grave marker will bear’ but ‘his grave marker does bear’ because it was erected some time ago. I think in an effort to secure a grave in Manhattan.

http://forgotten-ny.com/2013/01/an-unusual-tombstone/

By: ǝɔʎoſ ʇʇɐW

ǝɔʎoſ ʇʇɐW — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 18:09:00 +0000

Robert Moses? Seriously. You are going to try and claim that Robert Moses hurt NYC?

Now I know you are nuts.

By: guest

guest — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 17:36:00 +0000

New York survived Koch like it survived Moses – scarred, and less livable.
I lived in Loisida, and Koch helped developers destroy it and turn it into playland for the wealthy. He was a coward during the AIDS crisis.
Please do not wax nostalgic for a mayor only slightly less awful than Bloomberg.

By: ǝɔʎoſ ʇʇɐW

ǝɔʎoſ ʇʇɐW — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 17:28:00 +0000

That man truly was NYC. It’s a sad day.

By: gracchus

gracchus — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 17:27:00 +0000

I lived in NYC during the fat and happy ’90s, but seeing Ed Koch walking around my neighbourhood always provided a living reminder of the city’s more challenging days. As you say, a very open and gregarious person, who managed to be a celebrity and enjoy the attention without the entitled attitude or resentment that often comes along with fame.

I only said hello to him once in the street, but what I remember is how often I saw him at the movies, always sitting by himself: alone but not lonely in a city that allows for that more than others, a city that he defined as much as it defined him.

By: joncro

joncro — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 17:21:00 +0000

Koch was New York made flesh