Comments on: Charlie Sheen to ex-cop fugitive killer Dorner: Call me maybe http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Thu, 23 May 2013 16:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: JH http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651712 JH Sun, 10 Feb 2013 23:50:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651712 It is not justice at all. It's an outrage. I wish people were marching in the streets demanding accountability. Or at the very least, bombarding the mayor, the city council and Chief Beck. It is not justice at all. It’s an outrage. I wish people were marching in the streets demanding accountability. Or at the very least, bombarding the mayor, the city council and Chief Beck.

]]> By: Gulliver http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651704 Gulliver Sun, 10 Feb 2013 23:38:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651704 Not quite. LAPD have a <i>theoretically</i> valid role in society that they fail to perform, namely keeping the peace. I suppose the rejected rent-a-cops that work for the TSA must statistically harass a terrorist now and again by the sheer number of travelers they molest. But the TSA, like the DEA, is a fundamentally parasitic organization with no legitimate benefit to society either in practice or in theory. Not quite. LAPD have a theoretically valid role in society that they fail to perform, namely keeping the peace. I suppose the rejected rent-a-cops that work for the TSA must statistically harass a terrorist now and again by the sheer number of travelers they molest. But the TSA, like the DEA, is a fundamentally parasitic organization with no legitimate benefit to society either in practice or in theory.

]]> By: Gulliver http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651697 Gulliver Sun, 10 Feb 2013 23:31:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651697 That single article contained more than I ever wanted to know about Charlie Sheen, Mel Gibson and some asshole named John Galliano. Sheen's sanity I wouldn't guess at, but he certainly sounds like a misogynistic piece of shit. I thought you were echoing the voyeuristic fetishising of that "crazy (TM)" Charlie Sheen that everyone won't shut the fuck up about. I hate gossip. Sorry I misunderstood. You have a valid criticism, though I still find it nauseating how disproportionately "celebrities" get covered when plenty of non-celebrities perpetrate and suffer domestic violence and no one gives a fuck. Certainly celebrities deserve no less condemnation or compassion than anyone else, but it's <i>why</i> they get it – thier fame – that sickens me. That single article contained more than I ever wanted to know about Charlie Sheen, Mel Gibson and some asshole named John Galliano. Sheen’s sanity I wouldn’t guess at, but he certainly sounds like a misogynistic piece of shit.

I thought you were echoing the voyeuristic fetishising of that “crazy (TM)” Charlie Sheen that everyone won’t shut the fuck up about. I hate gossip.

Sorry I misunderstood. You have a valid criticism, though I still find it nauseating how disproportionately “celebrities” get covered when plenty of non-celebrities perpetrate and suffer domestic violence and no one gives a fuck. Certainly celebrities deserve no less condemnation or compassion than anyone else, but it’s why they get it – thier fame – that sickens me.

]]> By: psilax http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651666 psilax Sun, 10 Feb 2013 22:58:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651666 Hey -- if it works (hah), then great. Sheen isn't the first celebrity-type to try this.  Paul Gascoigne (hard-drinking British football player) tried to talk down Raoul Moat (unhinged guy on a shooting spree in Northumbria) in 2010.  He brought some beer and chicken, and was possibly offering to take him fishing, to extricate the guy from an armed stand-off with police.  Here's a writeup in the <a href="//www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7882762/Raoul-Moat-Gazza-arrives-in-Rothbury-to-offer-his-support.html”" rel="nofollow">Daily Telegraph</a>. Brave/crazy/delusions-of-grandeur... you choose. Hey — if it works (hah), then great. Sheen isn’t the first celebrity-type to try this.  Paul Gascoigne (hard-drinking British football player) tried to talk down Raoul Moat (unhinged guy on a shooting spree in Northumbria) in 2010.  He brought some beer and chicken, and was possibly offering to take him fishing, to extricate the guy from an armed stand-off with police.  Here’s a writeup in the Daily Telegraph. Brave/crazy/delusions-of-grandeur… you choose.

]]> By: daewooparts http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651654 daewooparts Sun, 10 Feb 2013 22:45:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651654 fck ,if i was them i would also sue them for those police cars they used ,then shoot them up in efigy and park them in public as payback for my truck fck ,if i was them i would also sue them for those police cars they used ,then shoot them up in efigy and park them in public as payback for my truck

]]> By: JohnQPublic http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651633 JohnQPublic Sun, 10 Feb 2013 22:14:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651633 LAPD is like TSA with guns LAPD is like TSA with guns

]]> By: Stephen Moran http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651629 Stephen Moran Sun, 10 Feb 2013 22:05:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651629 How is that justice? Why not criminally prosecute the police who unloaded their weapons on the truck, for not good reason? How is that justice? Why not criminally prosecute the police who unloaded their weapons on the truck, for not good reason?

]]> By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651610 fuzzyfuzzyfungus Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:32:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651610 " I don't know when it's justified for the police to pump 50+ bullets into any vehicle, unless they know with 100% certainty that that is the suspect." This isn't Judge Dredd. The <em>only</em> justification for the use of force by police is imminent necessity. We have this 'judicial system' to handle determination of guilt and sentencing. Yes, in practice, this particular guy shows every interest in going all lethal force, all the time; but if they caught him sleeping or something even a 100% ID wouldn't make shooting him their job. ” I don’t know when it’s justified for the police to pump 50+ bullets into any vehicle, unless they know with 100% certainty that that is the suspect.”

This isn’t Judge Dredd. The only justification for the use of force by police is imminent necessity. We have this ‘judicial system’ to handle determination of guilt and sentencing.

Yes, in practice, this particular guy shows every interest in going all lethal force, all the time; but if they caught him sleeping or something even a 100% ID wouldn’t make shooting him their job.

]]> By: C W http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651606 C W Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:27:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651606 I don't give a fuck about cokeheads. I give a fuck because he dehumanizes and beats women, and has for quite some time, long before the current "wizard" persona. http://jezebel.com/5774374/charlie-sheens-history-of-violence-toward-women I don’t give a fuck about cokeheads. I give a fuck because he dehumanizes and beats women, and has for quite some time, long before the current “wizard” persona.

http://jezebel.com/5774374/charlie-sheens-history-of-violence-toward-women

]]> By: Preston Sturges http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651595 Preston Sturges Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:14:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651595 I hate people when they're not polite. I hate people when they’re not polite.

]]> By: Yaanu http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651581 Yaanu Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:02:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651581 Clearly, Sheen wants to draw attention away from the upcoming VOD release of "Foodfight!". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROQ9nplxIY Clearly, Sheen wants to draw attention away from the upcoming VOD release of “Foodfight!”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uROQ9nplxIY

]]> By: Gulliver http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651562 Gulliver Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:24:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651562 I totally forgot about Charlie Sheen's triple-homicide...because it didn't happen. The last I saw of Sheen was <i>Hot Shots: Part Deux</i>, but despite having no television and systematically avoiding celebrity news, I'm vaguely aware that the dude trashed a sitcom career snorting coke and let pornstars babysit his kid(s) – and we all know what <i>horrible</i> people pornstars are thanks to our slut-shaming culture. Clearly he's in the same league as a guy who offs the daughter of the boss who fired him. WTF? Sheen's a coke-head, not a psychopath. There are likely a dozen coke-heads within a 20-mile radius of where I am right now. If you want to live vicariously through an over-the-hill druggie, they're easy to find. Oh right, none of them were on some crap TV show. I totally forgot about Charlie Sheen’s triple-homicide…because it didn’t happen.

The last I saw of Sheen was Hot Shots: Part Deux, but despite having no television and systematically avoiding celebrity news, I’m vaguely aware that the dude trashed a sitcom career snorting coke and let pornstars babysit his kid(s) – and we all know what horrible people pornstars are thanks to our slut-shaming culture. Clearly he’s in the same league as a guy who offs the daughter of the boss who fired him. WTF?

Sheen’s a coke-head, not a psychopath. There are likely a dozen coke-heads within a 20-mile radius of where I am right now. If you want to live vicariously through an over-the-hill druggie, they’re easy to find. Oh right, none of them were on some crap TV show.

]]> By: Kat http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651552 Kat Sun, 10 Feb 2013 20:15:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651552 You know what? Good for Charlie Sheen. Will it do anything? Probably not. But at least he extended himself in an offer. You know what? Good for Charlie Sheen. Will it do anything? Probably not. But at least he extended himself in an offer.

]]> By: Nathan Hornby http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651519 Nathan Hornby Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:46:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651519 I'd like to know exactly what Charley Sheen can do about a witch-hunt instigated by the LAPD? Or does he mean deliver Dorner to the people that are trying to destroy him? So much fuzzy in this case - and likely so much we'll never know. I’d like to know exactly what Charley Sheen can do about a witch-hunt instigated by the LAPD?

Or does he mean deliver Dorner to the people that are trying to destroy him?

So much fuzzy in this case – and likely so much we’ll never know.

]]> By: L_Mariachi http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651518 L_Mariachi Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:39:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651518 I didn't mean the shooting was justified, but the grargh attitude, as Dorner is specifically targeting cops' families rather than having gotten off a lucky shot during a botched getaway or something. Getting shot at in the normal course of your duties is one thing, being targeted for assassination is another. I didn’t mean the shooting was justified, but the grargh attitude, as Dorner is specifically targeting cops’ families rather than having gotten off a lucky shot during a botched getaway or something. Getting shot at in the normal course of your duties is one thing, being targeted for assassination is another.

]]> By: JH http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651516 JH Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:35:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651516 Agree with your points except that it was more "justified than usual." I don't know when it's justified for the police to pump 50+ bullets into any vehicle, unless they know with 100% certainty that that is the suspect. Which they certainly didn't know in this case. Agree with your points except that it was more “justified than usual.” I don’t know when it’s justified for the police to pump 50+ bullets into any vehicle, unless they know with 100% certainty that that is the suspect. Which they certainly didn’t know in this case.

]]> By: JH http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651514 JH Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:30:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651514 The truck is only a goodwill gesture, which the LAPD badly needs to do because their reputation is shit at the moment. There is no agreement that that is in place of a lawsuit. The 2 women have a lawyer already (of course) and will be suing for a hefty sum. Which the taxpayers will be paying for (of course). Regardless of how unhinged Dorner is, the LAPD has certainly proved many of his points this week. The truck is only a goodwill gesture, which the LAPD badly needs to do because their reputation is shit at the moment. There is no agreement that that is in place of a lawsuit. The 2 women have a lawyer already (of course) and will be suing for a hefty sum. Which the taxpayers will be paying for (of course). Regardless of how unhinged Dorner is, the LAPD has certainly proved many of his points this week.

]]> By: Zachary Rodriquez http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651500 Zachary Rodriquez Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:03:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651500 Those irresponsible cops who ambushed those ladies, in the truck, should be prosecuted for attempted murder!!! A lesser charge or punishment would be a disgrace for an agency designed to "serve & protect". Those irresponsible cops who ambushed those ladies, in the truck, should be prosecuted for attempted murder!!! A lesser charge or punishment would be a disgrace for an agency designed to “serve & protect”.

]]> By: JohnQPublic http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651491 JohnQPublic Sun, 10 Feb 2013 18:49:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651491 Don't they tell cops to check thei targets before firing??? They fired on a vehicle 1 that didn't match description 2 on occupants without making visual id 3 who didn't match description. 4 shot to kill 5 without warning 6 shooting so wildly in a residential area as to damage many surrounding homes and vehicles, potentially killing other residents Don’t they tell cops to check thei targets before firing??? They fired on a vehicle 1 that didn’t match description 2 on occupants without making visual id 3 who didn’t match description. 4 shot to kill 5 without warning 6 shooting so wildly in a residential area as to damage many surrounding homes and vehicles, potentially killing other residents

]]> By: Nathan Hornby http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651489 Nathan Hornby Sun, 10 Feb 2013 18:47:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651489 A new truck sure, and whatever they get when they drag them through court. Which I assume they'll be doing? Even if they've signed some kind of "This truck acts as the sole compensation for us trying to murder you in a blind rage" clause, there's a whole lot of fucked up that needs to be looked into there. If those policemen aren't at the very least fired (hopefully prosecuted), then quite frankly your police can officially do whatever they want - it's official. In which case I'm actually leaning toward being more in support of your 2nd amendment rights - at the very least you need the right to protect yourselves against your police forces. A new truck sure, and whatever they get when they drag them through court. Which I assume they’ll be doing?

Even if they’ve signed some kind of “This truck acts as the sole compensation for us trying to murder you in a blind rage” clause, there’s a whole lot of fucked up that needs to be looked into there. If those policemen aren’t at the very least fired (hopefully prosecuted), then quite frankly your police can officially do whatever they want – it’s official.

In which case I’m actually leaning toward being more in support of your 2nd amendment rights – at the very least you need the right to protect yourselves against your police forces.

]]> By: L_Mariachi http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651446 L_Mariachi Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651446 Jesus, that truck. You know those cops were in full-on GRARGH COP KILLER ragemode. While more justified than usual in this case, that thin blue line shit is counterproductive and detrimental to the function of a law enforcement agency. Any citizen's murder should provoke a degree of outrage and determination on their parts, not just murders of their fellow officers and their families. Jesus, that truck. You know those cops were in full-on GRARGH COP KILLER ragemode. While more justified than usual in this case, that thin blue line shit is counterproductive and detrimental to the function of a law enforcement agency. Any citizen’s murder should provoke a degree of outrage and determination on their parts, not just murders of their fellow officers and their families.

]]> By: Mike A http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651440 Mike A Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:46:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651440 Holy fck. They just unloaded into that pickup.. That is so fucked up. Just looking at the tailgate of that vehicle is terrifying. Holy fck. They just unloaded into that pickup.. That is so fucked up. Just looking at the tailgate of that vehicle is terrifying.

]]> By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651428 fuzzyfuzzyfungus Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:26:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651428 Given the difficulty he would likely encounter in making a phone call without providing (at least) rough position information, I suspect that the authorities would be more than happy to have a known phone call to more or less anybody to work with... Given the difficulty he would likely encounter in making a phone call without providing (at least) rough position information, I suspect that the authorities would be more than happy to have a known phone call to more or less anybody to work with…

]]> By: C W http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651426 C W Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:22:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651426 Yeah. Good on him for trying to use this to deescalate, but it should be some perspective that the guy thought of him as a kindred spirit as he embarked on this. Not that writers and authors don't unfairly go through this from time to time, but this isn't a fantasy world, the guy feels  Sheen is as unhinged as he is. Yeah. Good on him for trying to use this to deescalate, but it should be some perspective that the guy thought of him as a kindred spirit as he embarked on this. Not that writers and authors don’t unfairly go through this from time to time, but this isn’t a fantasy world, the guy feels 
Sheen is as unhinged as he is.

]]> By: PhosPhorious http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651421 PhosPhorious Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:17:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651421 Involve Sheen, definitely.  THAT will calm things down. Involve Sheen, definitely.  THAT will calm things down.

]]> By: pickledbeatnik http://boingboing.net/2013/02/10/charlie-sheen-to-ex-cop-fugiti.html#comment-1651417 pickledbeatnik Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:14:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212113#comment-1651417 Woah, an odd moment of clarity from Sheen. Though, not much clarity. Dude's still not human. Woah, an odd moment of clarity from Sheen. Though, not much clarity. Dude’s still not human.

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