LAPD hunting Dorner shot at innocent guy in second mistaken identity incident

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  1. class_enemy says:

    And remember, dear citizens, the police can be trusted with guns.  The rest of you can’t.

    • grimc says:

      Hmm, lessee: It takes an entire police force to shoot at three innocent people, wounding one. On the other hand, a single Adam Lanza was able to kill more than two dozen.

      Lemme pull out the ‘ol calculator…Gosh, you’re right: If you want a bunch of innocent people shot, you can’t trust the police to do it. Clearly, this is the perfect situation to argue for more guns in the hands of more random people.

      • Dave Lloyd says:

        Surely the argument is that noone should be trusted with guns – police or civilians…

        • DataShade says:

          *Whose* argument?  I’m sure the Nugent-style “preppers” would argue that any government agent is inherently less trustworthy with a gun than a private citizen.

    • Cheef says:

      The main difference between Dorner, and the rest of his department is that Dorners targeting specific people, and is actually killing them, where the other cops have adopted a “spray and pray” engagement approach.
      If dorner was as piss poor a shot as the rest of his department, everyone would still be alive, but random folks would be wounded.

    • SomeGuyNamedMark says:

      So you trust guys like Dorner instead?

      • fuzzyfuzzyfungus says:

        In the sense that I think he’s a wonderful guy who I want running around with a stash of guns? Not so much.

        In the sense that he appears to do exactly what he says on the tin? Well… He does seem to be carrying out the ‘It’s totally fucked up that I’m able to go on this killing spree entirely with weapons I legally acquired’ thesis rather convincingly..

      • class_enemy says:

        So you trust guys like Dorner instead?

        Not a fair comparison.  I do think that the gun owning population in its entirety – even considering the few Dorners among them – is proportionally less likely to shoot an innocent bystander than is the police force in its entirety.

      • Cheef says:

        It’s  the rest of the police who seem to be shooting indiscriminatingly. Jesus, whether you might be hispanic, white, old, young, female, whatever, they will f- up your truck without any fear of being punished.  Have a pickup, get sprayed! I’m not afraid of Dorner, I never screwed him over, but these yahoos are shooting trucks of any make and different colors. Tomorrow they’re going to double tap an asian grandma in a red El Camino.

        • goldenmansacks says:

          “Tomorrow they’re going to double tap an asian grandma in a red El Camino.”
          Thanks for the tip. I’ll call grandma.

      • Rindan says:

        You don’t have to trust one over the other.  Dorner is perfectly capable of being someone with legitimate grievances who responds in an insane way, while at the same time the LAPD can be LAs biggest and most violent gang.  They can both be assholes.

        I do find it morbidly hilarious that Dorner has tried to kill people as many times as the LAPD since this started.  The only difference is that Dorner appears to be a better shot.

        The LAPD looks like shit in this entire thing.  At least some of Dorners grievances are probably legit, if not murder worthy.  The LAPD has responded with a massive manhunt the likes of which no private citizen can ever expect if they get shot.  On this massive manhunt the police have shown without even a shadow of a doubt that they are not looking to arrest anyone, but are out to assassinate Dorner.  I’m glad his suicide note says that he is okay with dying, because that poor bastard couldn’t surrender even if he wanted too.  In the the polices attempt to assassinate Dorner, they have managed to shoot up a hilarious array of people that look nothing like the guy they are targeting.  The 40+ bullets into two Asian women simply takes the cake.  How the fuck do you confuse two Asian women whose combined weight doesn’t equal the single large black man who they are actually after?  Fucking incompetent assholes.  I bet the fuckups that fired all of those shots get a 3 weeks paid vacation.

        I suggest all large black men in the greater LA area refrain from going out until the police gets done assassinating Dorner.  Hell, seeing as how they have confused a two small Asian women with a single large black man, maybe EVERYONE in the greater LA area should be weary when they see cops.

  2. Michael says:

    It should be noted that while the two women were shot by LAPD, this guy was fired on by the Torrance Police Department, which is a separate agency.

    • Missy Pants says:

      So there are two rogue police agencies now just randomly shooting people and vehicles? Excellent, I’m sure Californians feel so much safer!

      • I’m just glad that these are “well trained” men.

      • elix says:

        This begs the question: What the fuck is happening in Oakland right now if this is the operational procedure for finding Dorner?

        • Missy Pants says:

          I know the dude murdered innocent people, but I do kinda wonder if he actually knows things they don’t want anyone else to know? Just because you’re crazy doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.

          • fuzzyfuzzyfungus says:

            I’d be pretty surprised if he knows anything that novel (if you look at his bio, he wasn’t exactly walking the halls of power at police HQ, nor did his rather comprehensive manifesto have any real revelations).

            It seems to be less of a ‘he knows where the bodies are buried’ and more of a ‘he thinks that he and everybody else know where the bodies are buried, and he’s mad as hell that nobody is digging’ thing.

          • donovan acree says:

            You know he murdered innocent people based on what? An LAPD press release? 

            The police clearly want him dead and not on a witness stand. It’s a shame that we have already tried this man. There will be no justice or due process in this case. If he is killed, we will never know the entire story.

    • Cheef says:

       Does this mean no truck for David Perdue?  “Cause they tore his shit up.

  3. QiLa says:

    Request: Can boingboing moderators add a tag “police” that adds yakkity sax soundtrack to any boingboing post about police?

    If that’s too much what about for the “lapd” tag?

  4. TomClayman says:

    There goes another million dollars or more of tax payer money to settle another lawsuit.  These cops are like Yosemite Sam with their guns.

  5. Benjamin King says:

    HELP HIM.

  6. fuzzyfuzzyfungus says:

    I’m going to take it as a bad sign that only sheer failure of marksmanship has kept the cops from racking up the same body count (in people who don’t even resemble Dorner, no less) as Dorner so far has…

  7. timquinn says:

    The only way to stop a bad man with a gun is to just go ahead and kill everyone.

  8. JonS says:

    Clearly the problem here is a lack of guns. If the two delivery women, and Surfer Dude, had had guns, then this wouldn’t have happened.

    Adding more guns to a tense situation is clearly the only way to ensure no one gets killed.

  9. So a while ago Boing Boing posted something about documents with blacked-out sections just having black squares drawn over on the word document. In Dorner’s manifesto, they seem to have done the same thing, and I’m guessing someone with a little technical know how could remove the squares and find out which officers he refers to…

  10. Joel Phillips says:

    “Nobody trains police officers to look for one of their own,” said Maria Haberfeld, a police training professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York.

    Why not?  Why are police officers assumed to be better behaved than the rest of the world?  In any case …

    So what? The idea of the police officer as superhero has little basis in reality.  Dorner’s military training is maybe a bit more relevant, which prompts the question …

    Why is this so unusual? Dorner isn’t the first person with military training to go off the rails.  It seems that what the police are finding difficult is not his training, but the fact that he wants to kill police officers.  Which is the nub of the problem …

    If an organisation that is supposed to protect the public is prepared to endanger the public in order to protect itself then it has failed.

    • Gerald Mander says:

      If an organisation that is supposed to protect the public is prepared to endanger the public in order to protect itself then it has failed.

      Yes. Decades ago.

    • BillStewart2012 says:

      Why not?  Because police are trained to stick up for their fellow tribe members.

      But this isn’t a case where they’re having to tell the truth about their fellow officer to Internal Affairs or the Feds.  This is a manhunt, and the fact that they’re not trained to chase people who have the same skills they do doesn’t mean they should go shooting up lots of non-cops to do it.

      • Joel Phillips says:

        Yeah, the brotherhood shit is just a less immediately life-threatening version of failure, namely when an organisation that’s supposed to enforce the rules resists the application of those rules to itself.

        N.B. The first point I was making was that we ought not get sucked into the whole “highly skilled police officer” bollocks.  The reason that they are panicking (and shooting up lots of non-cops) is not because they’re worried about his crazy skillz.  It’s because, by explicitly targeting cops, Dorner has removed the one bit of real advantage that police do have, i.e. in normal circumstances most people, even really bad guys, will think twice before shooting at a cop if they have an easily available alternative option.  

  11. Seems it’s less dangerous to live in a region that receives 5 feet of snow overnight than it is to go out in broad daylight in Los Angeles

  12. Gerald Mander says:

    LAPD are easily the most organized gang in the city.

  13. Cameron Evans says:

    Clearly if one is driving a pickup in Southern California and sees the Police, the safest course of action is just to start shooting first.

  14. awjt says:

    Dorner’s in Mexico.  You think a guy that smart would just head off into the mountains right outside LA in the middle of an ice storm?  LOL.  He took off in the opposite direction after he torched his truck.

  15. DJBudSonic says:

    All these Cali trucks are mint, too, so it’s terrible to see them shot up.  You can’t buff out 40 holes.

  16. You can’t argue with the Douglas Instructor!!

  17. Eark_the_Bunny says:

    “There’s something happening here.

    What it is ain’t exactly clear.

    There’s a man with a gun over there,

    Telling me I got to beware.

    I think it’s time we stop, children, what’s that sound?

    Everybody look what’s going down.

    There’s battle lines being drawn.

    Nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong…”

    What I see here is sheer insanity on everyone’s part!

  18. brucearthurs says:

    When did “Kill them all, let God sort them out” go from being a military tactic to a police tactic?

  19. SomeGuyNamedMark says:

    Remember who killed Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence.

    • missmimipoppy says:

       Tragic yes but the police are proving it’s not a simple, senseless murder.

      • Drew_Gehringer says:

         Yes it is.

        It’s a simple, senseless murder that the police are reacting to with more senselessness, but that doesn’t ‘prove’ anything beyond ‘the LAPD are incompetent’, which is something plenty of people (particularly nonwhite people) already knew.

  20. 10xor01 says:

    Straight outta Roanoke!

  21. I have no doubt that those communities are full of tense, scared people; there are obviously a lot of cops running around with itchy trigger fingers and that’s bound to put everyone on edge.

    Cops always say they have tough jobs, but it seems they are mostly at fault for making their jobs tough.  It’s hard to have a lot of sympathy for guys that shoot old ladies and surfers and don’t ever seem to be punished or even appear to feel responsible for their actions.

  22. Atomicpanda says:

    What I find most disturbing is that LA area police, by spraying a couple vehicles and their occupants with bullets, without warning, and then claiming the only mistake was one of identity, have basically admitted that they’re not out to find and apprehend Dorner, as they by law should be. They’re trying to execute him. I’m certainly no fan of Dorner but there’s a little something called due process. Or at least there used to be. 

    • fuzzyfuzzyfungus says:

      Quoth Attorney General Holder(in public, no less) 

      “‘Due process’ and ‘judicial process’ are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security.” “The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process.”

      (that said, the general rule that killing one or more cops markedly increases the chances of you being gunned down like a black guy reaching for his ID rather than taken alive seems to be much older than Holder)

  23. fredges says:

    I got five says the innocent victim count reaches 10.

  24. jansob1 says:

    Another sucker’s bet: no serious punishment for any officer who shoots innocent bystanders. I hope they get him, if only to stop the random and consequence-free killing of random citizens. But I really couldn’t care less how many uniformed gang members he gets first. Seems to truly be the only way to get rid of bad cops.

  25. jansob1 says:

    And I love how they are building him up to be a supervillian to justify trying to execute without trial (that seems to be a theme lately in the US).
    Also if he’s a genius they’re pretty dumb to be looking for him RIGHT WHERE HIS ABANDONED TRUCK INDICATES HE IS. He’s either already in Mexico or he’s back in LA getting ready to add to the notches in his gun barrel. If he’s actually been chased into the mountains he’s not much of a genius.

  26. steve849 says:

    Disappointed to see Boing Boing put up a “Fuck the police” message.

  27. toyg says:

    People keep saying he’s not Frank Serpico, but of course he is not. Serpico did fuck all in late ’70s South Korea; Dorner was in 2006 Iraq, when shit was actually blowing up around him and the locals would have loved to stab him at every turn. This guy is an elite, decorated marksman with guerrilla-warfare training.

    He’s not Serpico, no; he is John fucking Rambo.

  28. Ryan Lenethen says:

    I guess they are pretty much not trying to capture him or ask him to surrender at this point. They seem to just be spraying any truck that seems to be the same with bullets. I mean if they can’t tell that two women or a small white guy is not a big bald black dude, well it is obvious that they are not even looking, let alone asking before opening fire.

    Besides, didn’t they find his truck already torched? Why the heck do they continue to shoot up other trucks, do they think he has another?

    • captain_pudding says:

      They also can’t seem to tell that a black honda ridgeline or a blue toyota tacoma aren’t a grey Nissan titan.  

  29. HelixFelix says:

    This thing just got very real for “Which Way L.A.”:
    http://blogs.kcrw.com/whichwayla/2013/02/christopher-dorner-manhunt-hits-home

  30. MT_Head says:

    Did anybody bother to read the article?  This shooting happened within minutes of the other one, and hours before the truck was found in Big Bear. 
    “Moments later, Torrance Police Department officers responding to the gunfire…”  

    Not trying to justify anything AT ALL – outrage is definitely the correct response here – but getting the facts right is also helpful.

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