Comments on: Canada's Internet snooping bill is dead http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:41:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Scott http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html#comment-1654447 Scott Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:00:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212437#comment-1654447 This is the sign of a good government.  A bad gov't wouldn't listen to public. This is the sign of a good government.  A bad gov’t wouldn’t listen to public.

]]> By: Ryan Lenethen http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html#comment-1654412 Ryan Lenethen Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:58:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212437#comment-1654412 I think what they are trying to say is that many votes don't get recognized due to the first past the post system. That proportional representation or a hybrid would be preferable. As it is, those that can win without "majority" see no need to push the issue (see Conservatives and Liberals), and if you are not in power it is pretty hard to change the electoral system. It is setup to fail (if you win using the current system, why the hell would you change it?). That said, with the absolute beating the liberals took last time, it might have some more traction there among the liberal vote now. However with how well the NDP did, it would be interesting to see how true they hold to their electoral reform dogma. I mean look at the Conservatives and the Senate. All the did was bitch about it while out of power, now that they control it, its the largest ever. However you are correct in a multi-party system, it would be a rare landslide victory for a true populus majority win. However there is the majority of counted votes, but there there are the even greater value of all those votes that are pretty much just thrown away. I think what they are trying to say is that many votes don’t get recognized due to the first past the post system. That proportional representation or a hybrid would be preferable. As it is, those that can win without “majority” see no need to push the issue (see Conservatives and Liberals), and if you are not in power it is pretty hard to change the electoral system. It is setup to fail (if you win using the current system, why the hell would you change it?). That said, with the absolute beating the liberals took last time, it might have some more traction there among the liberal vote now. However with how well the NDP did, it would be interesting to see how true they hold to their electoral reform dogma. I mean look at the Conservatives and the Senate. All the did was bitch about it while out of power, now that they control it, its the largest ever.

However you are correct in a multi-party system, it would be a rare landslide victory for a true populus majority win. However there is the majority of counted votes, but there there are the even greater value of all those votes that are pretty much just thrown away.

]]> By: morgane http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html#comment-1653809 morgane Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:55:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212437#comment-1653809 man i loathe Harper and his gang. If there's a referendum while he's Prime Minister, i'll vote OUI. The tories are at 15% in Québec and only have 5 seats. If they win again in 2015, blame Ontario. By the way, not on topic but... If Cardinal Marc Ouellet (a local) gets to be Pope (he's a top 5 candiate), the catholics will get someone to the RIGHT of Benedict. True! When he was Archbishop of Québec a few years ago, he ranted about abortion not being tolerable even in the case of a rape to a minor. He so angered people here that the Church decided to send him to Rome...and now he could be top dog. Fuck him. man i loathe Harper and his gang. If there’s a referendum while he’s Prime Minister, i’ll vote OUI. The tories are at 15% in Québec and only have 5 seats. If they win again in 2015, blame Ontario.

By the way, not on topic but… If Cardinal Marc Ouellet (a local) gets to be Pope (he’s a top 5 candiate), the catholics will get someone to the RIGHT of Benedict. True! When he was Archbishop of Québec a few years ago, he ranted about abortion not being tolerable even in the case of a rape to a minor. He so angered people here that the Church decided to send him to Rome…and now he could be top dog. Fuck him.

]]> By: elix http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html#comment-1653383 elix Tue, 12 Feb 2013 19:05:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212437#comment-1653383 I'm hoping that the tea-party-of-the-north faction that's trying to reopen the abortion debate in Canada (so they can ban it) wrecks the CPC as much as it did the GOP's 2012 election campaign. However, I'm not sure that I want to vote NDP, and while the Liberals are saying things I like, they're so tiny they can say whatever the hell they want and it basically won't matter. I’m hoping that the tea-party-of-the-north faction that’s trying to reopen the abortion debate in Canada (so they can ban it) wrecks the CPC as much as it did the GOP’s 2012 election campaign. However, I’m not sure that I want to vote NDP, and while the Liberals are saying things I like, they’re so tiny they can say whatever the hell they want and it basically won’t matter.

]]> By: Jorpho http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html#comment-1653352 Jorpho Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:40:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212437#comment-1653352 It's something of a relief to know that a majority government isn't entirely willing to stomp all over everyone when they feel like it. It’s something of a relief to know that a majority government isn’t entirely willing to stomp all over everyone when they feel like it.

]]> By: Maneki Nico http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html#comment-1653231 Maneki Nico Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:11:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212437#comment-1653231 Well, illegitimate-ish anyway. Well, illegitimate-ish anyway.

]]> By: quean http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html#comment-1653223 quean Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:05:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212437#comment-1653223 Don't know the details, but it sounds like it's just been rolled over into Bill C-55 with a few minor modifications... Don’t know the details, but it sounds like it’s just been rolled over into Bill C-55 with a few minor modifications…

]]> By: squintsideways http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html#comment-1653201 squintsideways Tue, 12 Feb 2013 15:28:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212437#comment-1653201 They are still trying in the UK too.  Will none of these politicians listen? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/11/verdict-snoopers-charter-start-of-longer-battle They are still trying in the UK too.  Will none of these politicians listen?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/11/verdict-snoopers-charter-start-of-longer-battle

]]> By: RedMonkey http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html#comment-1653194 RedMonkey Tue, 12 Feb 2013 15:20:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212437#comment-1653194 The last elected government that had a "Majority" of the popular vote was Mulroney (a conservative) in 1984, so are you saying that every government we've had since 1988 is illegitimate, since no one has won the popular vote?  That's pretty hard to do in a five-party system.  The last elected government that had a “Majority” of the popular vote was Mulroney (a conservative) in 1984, so are you saying that every government we’ve had since 1988 is illegitimate, since no one has won the popular vote?  That’s pretty hard to do in a five-party system. 

]]> By: Rickenbacker4001 http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html#comment-1653177 Rickenbacker4001 Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:35:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212437#comment-1653177 I guess they are siding with the pedophiles...... I guess they are siding with the pedophiles……

]]> By: Carsten Agger http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html#comment-1653095 Carsten Agger Tue, 12 Feb 2013 10:25:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212437#comment-1653095 Though in the US, apparently CISPA is back: http://cispaisback.com/ http://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty-national-security/cispa-claws-back-life Though in the US, apparently CISPA is back:

http://cispaisback.com/

http://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty-national-security/cispa-claws-back-life

]]> By: charliekrustovnovitchgeschalt http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html#comment-1653092 charliekrustovnovitchgeschalt Tue, 12 Feb 2013 10:21:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212437#comment-1653092 C-30 is dead. Good. Don't forget to go over the newly introduced followup C-55 with a fine-toothed comb: http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&DocId=5975313&File=4 C-30 is dead. Good. Don’t forget to go over the newly introduced followup C-55 with a fine-toothed comb:

http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&DocId=5975313&File=4

]]> By: Daniel Friesen http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html#comment-1653063 Daniel Friesen Tue, 12 Feb 2013 08:52:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212437#comment-1653063  Now we just have to deal with the other two or three heads things that have popped up in place of this one.  Now we just have to deal with the other two or three heads things that have popped up in place of this one.

]]> By: Daemonworks http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html#comment-1653064 Daemonworks Tue, 12 Feb 2013 08:52:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212437#comment-1653064 "Majority" in that the majority of Canadians voted against them. Man, I hope we get a real electoral system some day. “Majority” in that the majority of Canadians voted against them. Man, I hope we get a real electoral system some day.

]]> By: Sarge Misfit http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html#comment-1653048 Sarge Misfit Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:54:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212437#comment-1653048 "The bill, which excited outrage over possible privacy violations on the Internet, marks a legislative failure for the Harper majority government." Failure for Harper? Couldn't happen to a better government. And let's not forget that its a WIN for Canadians! “The bill, which excited outrage over possible privacy violations on the Internet, marks a legislative failure for the Harper majority government.”

Failure for Harper? Couldn’t happen to a better government.

And let’s not forget that its a WIN for Canadians!

]]> By: ojisan http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html#comment-1653013 ojisan Tue, 12 Feb 2013 06:43:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212437#comment-1653013 Ah, but it's a poor heart that never rejoices!! Ah, but it’s a poor heart that never rejoices!!

]]> By: Jardine http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/canadas-internet-snooping-bi.html#comment-1652995 Jardine Tue, 12 Feb 2013 06:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=212437#comment-1652995 Sure it is. As if we're supposed to trust the Conservative Party to keep a promise. Sure it is. As if we’re supposed to trust the Conservative Party to keep a promise.

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