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	<title>Comments on: NYT reviewer takes Tesla on road trip, &quot;wasn&#039;t smiling.&quot; Elon Musk: NYT review is&#160;&quot;fake.&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: m_a_s</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1654176</link>
		<dc:creator>m_a_s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 05:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, many traditional cars have a tremendous heating system (on the order of 60kBtu/h), but I would rather have 9k Btu/h than nothing!  For example, small airplanes, like the Cessna 172, only have cabin heaters that can put out around 9kBtu/h.  It can get very toasty in there, even when it&#039;s -10F outside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, many traditional cars have a tremendous heating system (on the order of 60kBtu/h), but I would rather have 9k Btu/h than nothing!  For example, small airplanes, like the Cessna 172, only have cabin heaters that can put out around 9kBtu/h.  It can get very toasty in there, even when it&#8217;s -10F outside.</p>
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		<title>By: m_a_s</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1654158</link>
		<dc:creator>m_a_s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 05:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, since the whole problem is that he couldn&#039;t make the 250 miles, I think my calcs are more realistic.  Besides, the batteries being too cold is BS.  If these are too cold, then why are the batteries part of the liquid-cooled part of the drivetrain?  The batteries need this as charging and discharging would otherwise allow them to get too hot (a consequence of the battery/energy density required to store the 85kWh).
I think the real problem is that the wind resistance increases with decreasing temperature.
By the way, Tesla guidelines were to maintain 54mph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since the whole problem is that he couldn&#8217;t make the 250 miles, I think my calcs are more realistic.  Besides, the batteries being too cold is BS.  If these are too cold, then why are the batteries part of the liquid-cooled part of the drivetrain?  The batteries need this as charging and discharging would otherwise allow them to get too hot (a consequence of the battery/energy density required to store the 85kWh).<br />
I think the real problem is that the wind resistance increases with decreasing temperature.<br />
By the way, Tesla guidelines were to maintain 54mph.</p>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1654128</link>
		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 04:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are over estimating the amount of power needed for basic cruising.  Assuming you are burning 42HP to maintain 70mph, that&#039;s roughly 31.5kWh.  Compared to the 85kWh battery that only gives you a best 188 miles per full battery capacity.  Going by what Tesla claims is a rough 250 miles range, then you&#039;d be burning 23.8kWh at 88% efficiency and 70mph.  That gives you closer to 9k Btu, and considering power is being consumed elsewhere probably closer to 8k Btu.  Still warm, but not nearly as hot as a gasoline car.
A 120V space heater puts out about 5k Btu, that&#039;s going to take a while to warm a 30F cabin to 65F.

And I&#039;d assume Tesla installed liquid cooling because when you are running a hundred amps though a motor of that size you have to have some way of keeping the windings cool.  It&#039;s not so much about the heat generation as it is the power density.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are over estimating the amount of power needed for basic cruising.  Assuming you are burning 42HP to maintain 70mph, that&#8217;s roughly 31.5kWh.  Compared to the 85kWh battery that only gives you a best 188 miles per full battery capacity.  Going by what Tesla claims is a rough 250 miles range, then you&#8217;d be burning 23.8kWh at 88% efficiency and 70mph.  That gives you closer to 9k Btu, and considering power is being consumed elsewhere probably closer to 8k Btu.  Still warm, but not nearly as hot as a gasoline car.<br />
A 120V space heater puts out about 5k Btu, that&#8217;s going to take a while to warm a 30F cabin to 65F.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;d assume Tesla installed liquid cooling because when you are running a hundred amps though a motor of that size you have to have some way of keeping the windings cool.  It&#8217;s not so much about the heat generation as it is the power density.</p>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1654116</link>
		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 04:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well technically the Volt uses a configuration much like the Prius, just with a larger battery.  The engine is capable of directly powering the vehicle.  Originally the ICE was suppose to be a generator only system, but for some reason that was moved away from.  Perhaps to much cost in designing a compact gasoline engine/generator as a single unit.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/shocker-chevy-says-volts-gas-engine-can-power-the-wheels-its/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well technically the Volt uses a configuration much like the Prius, just with a larger battery.  The engine is capable of directly powering the vehicle.  Originally the ICE was suppose to be a generator only system, but for some reason that was moved away from.  Perhaps to much cost in designing a compact gasoline engine/generator as a single unit.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/shocker-chevy-says-volts-gas-engine-can-power-the-wheels-its/" rel="nofollow">http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/shocker-chevy-says-volts-gas-engine-can-power-the-wheels-its/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Warren_Terra</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1653882</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren_Terra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update: &lt;a href=&quot;http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/the-charges-are-flying-over-a-test-of-teslas-charging-network/?hp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the &lt;i&gt;Times&lt;/i&gt; has published a rebuttal&lt;/a&gt; to Musk&#039;s criticisms. There seem to be inconsistencies, but by and large it doesn&#039;t look great for Musk&#039;s tirade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update: <a href="http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/the-charges-are-flying-over-a-test-of-teslas-charging-network/?hp" rel="nofollow">the <i>Times</i> has published a rebuttal</a> to Musk&#8217;s criticisms. There seem to be inconsistencies, but by and large it doesn&#8217;t look great for Musk&#8217;s tirade.</p>
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		<title>By: Roman Berry</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1653867</link>
		<dc:creator>Roman Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;I&gt;generating the hydrogen requires a fuckton of energy to begin with&lt;/I&gt;

Exactly so. Liquid/highly compressed hydrogen as a fuel isn&#039;t so much a source of energy as it is a medium of energy storage akin to a battery. The hydrogen must first be generated at an associated energy cost and then liquified/super compressed (with another associated energy cost) to make it compact enough for use as a vehicle fuel, and the energy return from the hydrogen is at a ratio of less than unity (below 1), so the end result is that you get less energy out than you put in to start with. And that is why hydrogen is not an energy source. Anything that requires more energy to produce than it returns is not an energy source but is a method of storage (at a loss), AKA a battery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <i>generating the hydrogen requires a fuckton of energy to begin with</i></p>
<p>Exactly so. Liquid/highly compressed hydrogen as a fuel isn&#8217;t so much a source of energy as it is a medium of energy storage akin to a battery. The hydrogen must first be generated at an associated energy cost and then liquified/super compressed (with another associated energy cost) to make it compact enough for use as a vehicle fuel, and the energy return from the hydrogen is at a ratio of less than unity (below 1), so the end result is that you get less energy out than you put in to start with. And that is why hydrogen is not an energy source. Anything that requires more energy to produce than it returns is not an energy source but is a method of storage (at a loss), AKA a battery.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1653762</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going to Truckee in an electric car sounds like the plot of a Chevy Chase movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going to Truckee in an electric car sounds like the plot of a Chevy Chase movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1653694</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a much more polite phrase than the one that I was going to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a much more polite phrase than the one that I was going to use.</p>
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		<title>By: Churba S</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1653688</link>
		<dc:creator>Churba S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australian, but I guess we do speak something close to British English, so fair enough. Tell me, have you ever been so shocked your monocle pops out and drops into your beer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australian, but I guess we do speak something close to British English, so fair enough. Tell me, have you ever been so shocked your monocle pops out and drops into your beer?</p>
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		<title>By: macegr</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1653648</link>
		<dc:creator>macegr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Hmm, spelling things in a British way classes things right up.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I read somewhere that Tesla had licensed their drive line to Toyota for an electric RAV4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I read somewhere that Tesla had licensed their drive line to Toyota for an electric RAV4.</p>
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		<title>By: itsgene</title>
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		<dc:creator>itsgene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 19:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s still how the Volt works. At least, mine does.
After the battery charge runs out, a gas-fueled generator comes on to power the electric motor. That&#039;s not what I would call a standard hybrid - I drove a hybrid for many years before buying the Volt, and every hybrid used gas, period. I haven&#039;t used a drop of gas in my daily commute since I got the car 5 months ago.

Perhaps because it is only a few minutes stopping time, people tend to think of a gasoline-powered car as able to drive forever. The truth is, you still have a finite distance before you have to refuel. The two kinds of cars are fundamentally the same, the problem is in how much fuel you can carry with you and how long it takes to replenish. Will we ever have battery tech that holds enough juice for 400 miles, that can be refueled in 2 minutes? Or are we going to rework a century of conditioning that tells us our travel is cheap and fast? In the last 5 months I have been made much more aware of the &quot;cost&quot; of travelling just because I can now see it, in real time, on my dashboard. It definitely changes the way I drive. Unfortunately, I don&#039;t think the masses will see it that way. They&#039;ll want to be able to drive long distances and only stop the minimum of times for a few minutes each. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s still how the Volt works. At least, mine does.<br />
After the battery charge runs out, a gas-fueled generator comes on to power the electric motor. That&#8217;s not what I would call a standard hybrid &#8211; I drove a hybrid for many years before buying the Volt, and every hybrid used gas, period. I haven&#8217;t used a drop of gas in my daily commute since I got the car 5 months ago.</p>
<p>Perhaps because it is only a few minutes stopping time, people tend to think of a gasoline-powered car as able to drive forever. The truth is, you still have a finite distance before you have to refuel. The two kinds of cars are fundamentally the same, the problem is in how much fuel you can carry with you and how long it takes to replenish. Will we ever have battery tech that holds enough juice for 400 miles, that can be refueled in 2 minutes? Or are we going to rework a century of conditioning that tells us our travel is cheap and fast? In the last 5 months I have been made much more aware of the &#8220;cost&#8221; of travelling just because I can now see it, in real time, on my dashboard. It definitely changes the way I drive. Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t think the masses will see it that way. They&#8217;ll want to be able to drive long distances and only stop the minimum of times for a few minutes each. </p>
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		<title>By: Churba S</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1653345</link>
		<dc:creator>Churba S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, your Mum keeps telling me that the cheque is in the mail.</description>
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		<title>By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1653314</link>
		<dc:creator>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if the Tesla includes an in-car mic(OnStar does, for reference, so it isn&#039;t exactly tinfoil hat territory to suggest that a vehicle telemetry package would); but in a car this pricey, and this computerized, I&#039;d be rather surprised if they skipped logging any parameters that might be relevant... It&#039;s not like an extra $10 worth of flash memory is going to break the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if the Tesla includes an in-car mic(OnStar does, for reference, so it isn&#8217;t exactly tinfoil hat territory to suggest that a vehicle telemetry package would); but in a car this pricey, and this computerized, I&#8217;d be rather surprised if they skipped logging any parameters that might be relevant&#8230; It&#8217;s not like an extra $10 worth of flash memory is going to break the bank.</p>
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		<title>By: Gyrofrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gyrofrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Leisure is the mother of invention.&quot; -- my geography professor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Leisure is the mother of invention.&#8221; &#8212; my geography professor</p>
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		<title>By: timquinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>timquinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and who paid you , bub?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and who paid you , bub?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Glover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Glover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;i&gt;sunny California&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s 7C in Grass Valley and -9C in Truckee at the moment. This is a big state with a wildly varied climate. Electric cars a becoming popular even up here, although it will take Subaru coming out with an all electric 4 or all wheel-drive to really take over. This is Cult of Subaru country and nearly every other vehicle here is a Subaru 4WD of one sort or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <i>sunny California</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s 7C in Grass Valley and -9C in Truckee at the moment. This is a big state with a wildly varied climate. Electric cars a becoming popular even up here, although it will take Subaru coming out with an all electric 4 or all wheel-drive to really take over. This is Cult of Subaru country and nearly every other vehicle here is a Subaru 4WD of one sort or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;saying Mexicans are lazy&lt;/i&gt;

As an American who sees Mexican immigrants constantly working hard at low paying, labor intensive jobs, risking life and limb to cross borders and deadly deserts to get here, then facing exploitation and abuse once they do, I find that sentiment not so much to be &quot;chauvinist&quot; (too nice a word) as I find it to be simple bigotry/racism.

I can&#039;t really get too worked up about German&#039;s being stereotyped for what is essentially a positive trait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>saying Mexicans are lazy</i></p>
<p>As an American who sees Mexican immigrants constantly working hard at low paying, labor intensive jobs, risking life and limb to cross borders and deadly deserts to get here, then facing exploitation and abuse once they do, I find that sentiment not so much to be &#8220;chauvinist&#8221; (too nice a word) as I find it to be simple bigotry/racism.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t really get too worked up about German&#8217;s being stereotyped for what is essentially a positive trait.</p>
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		<title>By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that the one area where electric cars unequivocally, hands-down, no-contest, game-over-man, beat their internal combustion counterparts is acceleration, I&#039;d order a psych eval for any car reviewer type who was handed a Tesla and &lt;em&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; execute the &#039;just fucking floor it and feel what happens&#039; protocol at least once...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that the one area where electric cars unequivocally, hands-down, no-contest, game-over-man, beat their internal combustion counterparts is acceleration, I&#8217;d order a psych eval for any car reviewer type who was handed a Tesla and <em>didn&#8217;t</em> execute the &#8216;just fucking floor it and feel what happens&#8217; protocol at least once&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NynjaSquirrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>NynjaSquirrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 15:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also - it takes you 5 minutes max to refuel your standard fossil-chewer, how many people can afford an hour break to simply continue their journey? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also &#8211; it takes you 5 minutes max to refuel your standard fossil-chewer, how many people can afford an hour break to simply continue their journey? </p>
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		<title>By: cstatman</title>
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		<dc:creator>cstatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> or impress the opposite sex</description>
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		<title>By: AwesomeRobot</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1653125</link>
		<dc:creator>AwesomeRobot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost the entirety of human history can be pinned on the desire to turn a profit.</description>
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		<title>By: Itsumishi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1653113</link>
		<dc:creator>Itsumishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the way electric cars recharge needs to change but I&#039;m not sure standardised batteries that are lifted by robotic arms is the solution. &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/flow-batteries-0606.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;High capacity flow-batteries&lt;/a&gt; seems like a better bet: pump in a charged liquid, whilst simultaneously pumping out the &quot;flat&quot; liquid. This &quot;flat&quot; liquid could then be recharged as slowly as necessary and sold to the next customer.

You&#039;d avoid the necessity for a standard sized battery, so big cars could have a bigger tank (as opposed to multiple standard sizes), etc; you&#039;d avoid the need for robotic arms to pull batteries in and out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the way electric cars recharge needs to change but I&#8217;m not sure standardised batteries that are lifted by robotic arms is the solution. <a href="http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/flow-batteries-0606.html" rel="nofollow">High capacity flow-batteries</a> seems like a better bet: pump in a charged liquid, whilst simultaneously pumping out the &#8220;flat&#8221; liquid. This &#8220;flat&#8221; liquid could then be recharged as slowly as necessary and sold to the next customer.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d avoid the necessity for a standard sized battery, so big cars could have a bigger tank (as opposed to multiple standard sizes), etc; you&#8217;d avoid the need for robotic arms to pull batteries in and out.</p>
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		<title>By: tw1515tw</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1653045</link>
		<dc:creator>tw1515tw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Top Gear/Clarkson isn&#039;t misogynistic - unless laughing at the uselessness of men counts. Clarkson&#039;s got daughters and seems to be very careful at not being misogynistic. There&#039;s certainly chauvinism, in the sense of saying Mexicans are lazy and Germans are efficient etc, but Clarkson gave the British National Party short shrift when he was approached by them a few years back. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Top Gear/Clarkson isn&#8217;t misogynistic &#8211; unless laughing at the uselessness of men counts. Clarkson&#8217;s got daughters and seems to be very careful at not being misogynistic. There&#8217;s certainly chauvinism, in the sense of saying Mexicans are lazy and Germans are efficient etc, but Clarkson gave the British National Party short shrift when he was approached by them a few years back. </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Smith</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1653032</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe electric cars could benefit from insulation tricks which are used in buildings, such as foam inside body cavities and double glazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe electric cars could benefit from insulation tricks which are used in buildings, such as foam inside body cavities and double glazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Craig</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1653026</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772 - been done from an engineering perspective. How the billing for it is done is still a concern though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772</a> &#8211; been done from an engineering perspective. How the billing for it is done is still a concern though.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Kordich</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1653020</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Kordich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He left the charging station in Norwich with the car saying he had 32 miles worth of range (12% state of charge), driving toward the Supercharger station 62 miles away on the I-95. He got 51 miles on that, running out in Branford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He left the charging station in Norwich with the car saying he had 32 miles worth of range (12% state of charge), driving toward the Supercharger station 62 miles away on the I-95. He got 51 miles on that, running out in Branford.</p>
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		<title>By: m_a_s</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1653015</link>
		<dc:creator>m_a_s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 06:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the drivetrain sheds so little heat, then why did Tesla install liquid cooling?
By the way, comparing the cooling requirements of the Citicar or Comuta-car is like comparing the cooling requirements of an Easy Bake oven and an actual oven!
Assuming an 88% efficiency, the 420HP motor and drivetrain running at 10% load sheds over 12000 Btu/h.  I am sure they could heat the cabin quite a bit with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the drivetrain sheds so little heat, then why did Tesla install liquid cooling?<br />
By the way, comparing the cooling requirements of the Citicar or Comuta-car is like comparing the cooling requirements of an Easy Bake oven and an actual oven!<br />
Assuming an 88% efficiency, the 420HP motor and drivetrain running at 10% load sheds over 12000 Btu/h.  I am sure they could heat the cabin quite a bit with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Heevee Lister</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1652987</link>
		<dc:creator>Heevee Lister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 05:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An EV&#039;s drive train is so efficient that the waste heat is of essentially no use in keeping the cabin warm.  Ask anyone who ever drove an electric Citicar or Comuta-car, with the &quot;heater&quot; that ducted air from the motor into the cabin.  (Yes, I have owned one.)

In a conventional vehicle, about 70% of the gasoline burned goes into waste heat, so there&#039;s plenty for toasting your tootsies in the winter.  

FWIW, the Toyota Prius is only modestly more efficient than a conventional gasoline powered car, but it has to run the engine more to keep the cabin warm when outside temperatures drop into the teens.  The average FE improves when you shut off the heater.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An EV&#8217;s drive train is so efficient that the waste heat is of essentially no use in keeping the cabin warm.  Ask anyone who ever drove an electric Citicar or Comuta-car, with the &#8220;heater&#8221; that ducted air from the motor into the cabin.  (Yes, I have owned one.)</p>
<p>In a conventional vehicle, about 70% of the gasoline burned goes into waste heat, so there&#8217;s plenty for toasting your tootsies in the winter.  </p>
<p>FWIW, the Toyota Prius is only modestly more efficient than a conventional gasoline powered car, but it has to run the engine more to keep the cabin warm when outside temperatures drop into the teens.  The average FE improves when you shut off the heater.</p>
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		<title>By: robuluz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/11/nyt-reviewer-takes-tesla-for-r.html#comment-1652972</link>
		<dc:creator>robuluz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 05:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Halfway through reading your post I thought &quot;I&#039;m going to have to post a link to that Stewart Lee bit!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Halfway through reading your post I thought &#8220;I&#8217;m going to have to post a link to that Stewart Lee bit!&#8221;</p>
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