He executed two defenseless innocents, ambushed and murdered a cop in Riverside, kidnapped two people, and killed a deputy in the gun battle leading to the stand-off at the cabin. This guy got exactly what he deserved and probably what he wanted. 

I’d like to hear their rationale for switching to incendiary canisters after getting no joy from their non-incendiary applications.  If he hasn’t come running out of the building in tears, what do you assume?  That the gas didn’t reach him, that it didn’t affect him, or that he has protection?

If he’s protected from inhalation and physical contact, it won’t make any difference whether the gas comes from a hot canister or a cold aerosol spray.  Same thing if he’s immune.  If it didn’t reach him, why not?  A barricade that stops aerosol and dry-dispersal devices will stop a canister.  They have armored vehicles for poking holes in walls, so poke some more holes.

Or one could change tack.  What makes no sense at all is the supposed urgency of the situation.  The man was surrounded, alone, in a small compound where all possible exits could be observed 24/7.  News anchors talked about the desire to end the standoff before nightfall.  Why?  They could easily get access to night-vision equipment on the ground and FLIR-equipped aircraft (which would work better at night, anyway).  How the hell would he benefit from the night?

EH also has a great point about “collateral damage.”  Our way of life kills innocent people in other countries.  So I guess we all lose the argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjGR6PjqJyk

But rather than fixing things, the system punished him hard for trying to address injustice.  I imagine the lesson he took away from that is that there is literally no way to reform the LAPD.  He saw and experienced upsetting things, and knew that similar things were continuing to happen even after he was fired.  But he learned that the mechanisms which were supposed to address this injustice were a joke.  There was no way to get justice, but he felt an overwhelming need for it.

It’s understandable why faced with this situation, an ex-marine would reach for the most extreme tool available to him: war.

We can avoid more Dorners by building a healthy and militant movement against police misconduct.  Not the aenemic ACLU/oversight board stuff, but serious on-the-ground action against crooked cops.  A movement which actually scares and threatens police departments, gets cops fired and jailed frequently.  We need this so that when people get screwed over by the cops and feel that raging need for justice, there’s something real they can do to actually get justice other than going Rambo.

However, another thing to be aware of is gas tends to not work very well on crazy people.

When I took the Chemical Agents Instructor course, we fired live rounds into a building.  Not all of them went off.  Since you can’t leave live ordnance on the range, we had to go in to get them out so we could put them on a bonfire.  This was the point we found out that the instructors had not brought any gas masks.  So I walked in and began chucking the rounds out.  Breath control is the key, breath slowly and through some cloth.  After I finished I just stood and faced the wind for a while.

Gas is not a big deal.

Try turning on popup blocking (if your browser has it), or turning off Javascript (and if your browser doesn’t have *that* ability, you need another browser). 

Running without JS makes you harder to track anyway.  Regrettably, Disqus won’t work without it.

M-651 rounds have CS stabilized in a solid, flammable plug of resin.  When the round impacts the ground or a wall, the plug is ignited by percussion.  As the plug burns, it produces a jet of hot CS-laden vapor that shoots out of a single hole in the body of the round, causing it to spin around and roll.  

Flite-Rite barricade rounds, used at Waco along with the M-651, burn a mixture that includes sugar and guncotton to make CS smoke.

For the type of hotbox CS training you mentioned, they melt tablets containing CS to create a vapor that fills the room.

It’s worth noting that there are many non-incendiary devices for CS deployment, including dry-powder rounds that break open on impact like a bag of flour, dry-powder grenades that pack CS crystals around a small explosive charge, and CS crystals suspended in inert propellants (like some fire extinguishers) and sprayed onto things or into things…

But who doesn’t love a fire?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/18fhbs/live_feed_catches_cops_saying_burn_that_fucking/

Any subsequent attempt to click the link again results in the same behavior.

I’ve written to the Times, but I hold no hope of even a reply, let alone an actual fix.

When you decline their invitation to purchase a subscription, the site takes you back to the main latimes.com page, rather than leaving you on the story page.

I wonder if the cabin owner can sue for arson.

Are you on crack? He’ll be charged with harboring a fugitive.

“They might kill you just for having seen it.”
— Lt. Ellen Ripley

I suspect this is happening to several other folks too, as I’ve experienced it on three different computers with different browsers.

Perhaps it’s worth not linking to that site until this problem is fixed? For me, it started happening about a week ago.