Comments on: Knight Foundation defends paying plagiarist $20k to talk about himself

By: Antinous / Moderator

Antinous / Moderator — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:48:00 +0000

I like how they try to get away with using “well-known” instead of “notorious”.

By: That_Anonymous_Coward

That_Anonymous_Coward — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:57:00 +0000

Maybe they read my comment….

http://boingboing.net/2013/02/13/knight-foundation-defends-payi.html#comment-798335510

By: piminnowcheez

piminnowcheez — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:53:00 +0000

Another reason to hate Lehrer’s work is that while he may have been, stylistically, a good writer, he was a lousy communicator of science. Wherever science came into conflict with his narrative, he let his narrative win. As a neuroscientist myself, who cares a lot about public communication of neuroscience findings, Lehrer drove me crazy long before the fabrication and self-churning came to light.

Another good article: http://nymag.com/news/features/jonah-lehrer-2012-11/

By: gracchus

gracchus — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:30:00 +0000

I still prefer Glass Ceiling/Floor — it reflects the invisibility of the barrier to observers who wonder why a given person never rises/falls beyond a certain point.

Besides, people like Lehrer are so arrogant that after that certain point they don’t even bother looking down.

By: gracchus

gracchus — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:09:00 +0000

The Knight Foundation has now turned around and admitted this paying this con man was a mistake:

http://www.knightfoundation.org/blogs/knightblog/2013/2/13/knight-foundation-regrets-paying-lehrer-speaking-fee/

Maybe this is a crack in Lehrer’s Glass Floor.

By: Spraynard Kruger

Spraynard Kruger — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 06:39:00 +0000

I like the idea, but wouldn’t call it a “Glass Floor”. Maybe “Concrete Floor” because I think he’s so arrogant he doesn’t care to see what’s below him, to where he could sink.

By: Spraynard Kruger

Spraynard Kruger — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 06:35:00 +0000

The outrage is mostly journalistic. He betrayed a couple of the main doctrines of the profession. (At least) one time, he did that to the hindrance of another journalist.

I don’t believe the public really gives a shit. But journalists run the media (obviously) and when they want to destroy something or someone, it’s a very public event.

By: EH

EH — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 01:50:00 +0000

Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story!

By: gracchus

gracchus — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 01:31:00 +0000

I’m sure he was right up on the podium taking personal credit for every one of them, too.

By: Rob Beschizza

Rob Beschizza — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 01:15:00 +0000

Three Pulitzers, dude.

By: Antinous / Moderator

Antinous / Moderator — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 01:13:00 +0000

So you only acknowledge negative behavior if it directly affects you? Intriguing.

By: gracchus

gracchus — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 01:01:00 +0000

As I said in the previous BoingBoing thread on the topic, Lehrer seems to be a fortunate beneficiary of the “Glass Floor” — too many people’s and organisations’ reputations were invested in this confidence artist to allow him to fail.

By: gracchus

gracchus — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:59:00 +0000

I’m guessing Mr. Ibargüen was an executive in the news biz before he became President of the Knight Foundation — that’s exactly the sort of bone-headed, brand-destroying decision I came to to expect from senior managers in the media-industrial complex.

By: morcheeba

morcheeba — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:50:00 +0000

da da dat dum! da du dut dum!

By: Rob Beschizza

Rob Beschizza — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:43:00 +0000

Bingo!

By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus

fuzzyfuzzyfungus — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:31:00 +0000

Does it strike anybody else as a terribly bad sign that somebody associated with a foundation ostensibly dedicated to journalism would defend an action based on the all-important ‘how entertaining people found it’ metric?

C’mon, guys, if we wanted to maximize entertainment value, it’d be 100% fictionalized infotainment all the time. You. Really. Don’t. Want. To. Go. There.

By: Rob Beschizza

Rob Beschizza — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:28:00 +0000

“Maybe made up a Bob Dylan quote”

You could always just read up on what he did, you know.

Since you asked, though, my attitude is that Lehrer and Knight must be flayed because a) plagiarists and fakers make literary hoaxes unfashionable, and b) their behavior serves the notion that journalism is merely the juvenilia of public intellectuals.

By: Marshall_Cogburn

Marshall_Cogburn — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:02:00 +0000

Here’s the key article: http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/107779/jonah-lehrers-deceptions

By: Marshall_Cogburn

Marshall_Cogburn — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:01:00 +0000

I’ve enjoyed Mr. Lehrer’s work, and thought he was an excellent story-teller the time I saw him in person. After reading Michael Moynihan’s account of confronting him over his fabricated Dylan quotes, I began to suspect that Lehrer had a more than mildly problematic relationship with the truth. (Moynihan, in the short interview with Robert Wright below, recounts that after he caught him Lehrer continued to compound his lies, even though the new lies wouldn’t be likely to help, and even though they would be easy to catch too.) The report about his speech to the Knight Foundation didn’t do much to change my mind. I have a feeling that Lehrer’s second act may not end up much better than the first, though I hope he’ll get back on a good track.

As for his $20,000, I don’t know what to say. Sounds like a nice case of falling upward, and I can’t really see what’s in it for the foundation.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_wright_show/2012/08/20/confronting_jonah_lehrer.html

By: Dave Pease

Dave Pease — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:56:00 +0000

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/jonah_lehrer_plagiarism_in_wired_com_an_investigation_into_plagiarism_quotes_and_factual_inaccuracies_.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah_Lehrer#Plagiarism_and_fabricated_quotes

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Jonah+Lehrer+plagiarism

Best of luck to you, friend.

By: Warren_Terra

Warren_Terra — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:54:00 +0000

OK, but do you still like it now that you know he made his preferred narrative work by inventing quotes and possibly other facts?

By: That_Anonymous_Coward

That_Anonymous_Coward — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:53:00 +0000

What he failed to realize in that moment that the pockets of people standing around still discussing it, we in fact discussing the very real possibility that the foundation was being run by someone with out any common sense. That paying $20K to this pinnacle of what every journalist should avoid becoming was possibly the dumbest thing they had ever seen. They were seen later leaving discussing a plan to see if they could sell the foundation a new sort of media to print on… invisible except to the very wise….

By: Daneel

Daneel — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:48:00 +0000

So, better or worse than Johann Hari? Or the German minister who resigned after plagiarizing for her PhD thesis and condemning a different German minister for doing the same thing?

By: Mark_Frauenfelder

Mark_Frauenfelder — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:41:00 +0000

“a guy who plagiarized his own work and maybe made up a Bob Dylan quote”

That’s all he did? In his speech, Leher said he also plagiarized other writers, definitely (not “maybe”) made up Bob Dylan quotes, and repeatedly lied about doing so.

By: Samsa

Samsa — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:34:00 +0000

Did Jonah Lehrer take a job from you? Multiple jobs? Did he elbow you on the subway? The hate-on you have for a guy who plagiarized his own work and maybe made up a Bob Dylan quote is, well, it’s just weird, and misplaced.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:31:00 +0000

> I mean, just look at that.

Did anyone else start looking for a photo of some banana-related item at that last line? I think I’m brainwashed now.

By: Tim Pedersen

Tim Pedersen — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:30:00 +0000

Call me a crazy idiot but I liked Imagine.

By: Daneel

Daneel — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:29:00 +0000

I thought the Knight Foundation concentrated on shadowy flights into the dangerous world of a man who does not exist?

By: elisd

elisd — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:28:00 +0000

Is there a good backgrounder somewhere for someone who has been mostly ignorant of the existence of Jonah Lehrer up to this point? I’m a little puzzled by the extent of the outrage you seem to be projecting here, for example. It seems he plagiarized himself? While, of course, that’s still plagiarism and wrong, it just never strikes me as being anywhere near as bad as passing off someone else’s work as your own. But, I’m even more clueless than Mr. Ibargüen on this one, I freely admit.