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	<title>Comments on: Getting to know &quot;Mitochondrial&#160;Eve&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/getting-to-know-mitochondria.html#comment-1658230</link>
		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Mitochondrial chimera do exist, but they are quite rare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Mitochondrial chimera do exist, but they are quite rare.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/getting-to-know-mitochondria.html#comment-1657000</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bear in mind that just because &lt;em&gt;there is a study that says something&lt;/em&gt; does not mean that that thing is true or even a consensus view in a field.  It would be interesting to see how widely cited this paper is.

Besides that, it doesn&#039;t seem as though the mother to offspring thing has to be 100% to justify a conclusion that there was probably a mitochondrial Eve.  It seems to me a more relevant question is whether all mitochondria that have had their genes analyzed are descended from a relatively recent common ancestor.  If we keep looking at mitochondria and keep finding that they&#039;re related with a common ancestor 200,000 years ago the idea of a mitochondrial Eve starts seeming pretty plausible, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bear in mind that just because <em>there is a study that says something</em> does not mean that that thing is true or even a consensus view in a field.  It would be interesting to see how widely cited this paper is.</p>
<p>Besides that, it doesn&#8217;t seem as though the mother to offspring thing has to be 100% to justify a conclusion that there was probably a mitochondrial Eve.  It seems to me a more relevant question is whether all mitochondria that have had their genes analyzed are descended from a relatively recent common ancestor.  If we keep looking at mitochondria and keep finding that they&#8217;re related with a common ancestor 200,000 years ago the idea of a mitochondrial Eve starts seeming pretty plausible, no?</p>
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		<title>By: bluethunb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluethunb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. Its been many years since I had any updates on the subject. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. Its been many years since I had any updates on the subject. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/getting-to-know-mitochondria.html#comment-1656833</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I remembered the whole mitochondrial eve thing being bullshit.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02438149?LI=true 

If you haven&#039;t got the time, the article basically says that mitochondrions are not 100% of the time passed strictly from mother to offspring.  As with most things in biology, there are no hard and fast rules.  Do a bit more reading, you out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I remembered the whole mitochondrial eve thing being bullshit.</p>
<p><a href="http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02438149?LI=true" rel="nofollow">http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02438149?LI=true</a> </p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t got the time, the article basically says that mitochondrions are not 100% of the time passed strictly from mother to offspring.  As with most things in biology, there are no hard and fast rules.  Do a bit more reading, you out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Zak McKracken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zak McKracken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Page server seems to be down, but Google cache still has it:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://biologos.org/blog/understanding-evolution-mitochondrial-eve-y-chromosome-adam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Page server seems to be down, but Google cache still has it:<br />
<a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://biologos.org/blog/understanding-evolution-mitochondrial-eve-y-chromosome-adam" rel="nofollow">http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://biologos.org/blog/understanding-evolution-mitochondrial-eve-y-chromosome-adam</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Buck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another way to visualize how this works.

Imagine a population with equal numbers of males and females.  They all pair off and have exactly two children who survive to adulthood, either two boys, two girls, or a boy and a girl, and they all have children at the same age (twins, to make it simple, on their 30th birthday).  That way, each generation is the same size as the last, and every member of the original generation has descendants in every subsequent generation.  BUT: in the very first generation, 1/4 of the couples have only boys, 1/4 have only girls, and half have one of each.  The men lucky enough to have two boys, and the women lucky enough to have two girls, double the concentration of their sex-linked DNA in the next generation, and also double their chances of propagating it in every generation thereafter. The result is that before too long, you&#039;ll have a mitochondrial Eve and a Y-Adam, even though all members of the founding generation have descendants in every generation after that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another way to visualize how this works.</p>
<p>Imagine a population with equal numbers of males and females.  They all pair off and have exactly two children who survive to adulthood, either two boys, two girls, or a boy and a girl, and they all have children at the same age (twins, to make it simple, on their 30th birthday).  That way, each generation is the same size as the last, and every member of the original generation has descendants in every subsequent generation.  BUT: in the very first generation, 1/4 of the couples have only boys, 1/4 have only girls, and half have one of each.  The men lucky enough to have two boys, and the women lucky enough to have two girls, double the concentration of their sex-linked DNA in the next generation, and also double their chances of propagating it in every generation thereafter. The result is that before too long, you&#8217;ll have a mitochondrial Eve and a Y-Adam, even though all members of the founding generation have descendants in every generation after that.</p>
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		<title>By: ptrourke</title>
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		<dc:creator>ptrourke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but because it is never passed from father to child [*], it is important for people who don&#039;t understand mitochondrial DNA to realize that it represents only the line F &gt; F &gt; F &gt; F &gt; F &gt; M&#124;F !, where the exclamation point indicates the person tested. That&#039;s why the text says &quot;from mother to daughter.&quot; 

[*]My understanding is that there is at least one case of finding M &gt; M! mitochondrial transmission, NEJM 347, but that is consider a freak case for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but because it is never passed from father to child [*], it is important for people who don&#8217;t understand mitochondrial DNA to realize that it represents only the line F &gt; F &gt; F &gt; F &gt; F &gt; M|F !, where the exclamation point indicates the person tested. That&#8217;s why the text says &#8220;from mother to daughter.&#8221; </p>
<p>[*]My understanding is that there is at least one case of finding M &gt; M! mitochondrial transmission, NEJM 347, but that is consider a freak case for now.</p>
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		<title>By: nowimnothing</title>
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		<dc:creator>nowimnothing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I forgot all about that game, one of the few that I actually played all the way through.
Did not realize it was based on a book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I forgot all about that game, one of the few that I actually played all the way through.<br />
Did not realize it was based on a book.</p>
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		<title>By: Missy Pants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missy Pants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So say we all!</description>
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		<title>By: lev36</title>
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		<dc:creator>lev36</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> What flaw? BSG never posited Hera wound up the sole woman alive. Anyway, I like to think that we all have a little Cylon in us...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> What flaw? BSG never posited Hera wound up the sole woman alive. Anyway, I like to think that we all have a little Cylon in us&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Cristofaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Cristofaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also one of the major BSG flaws! </description>
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		<title>By: Mark Mays</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Mays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> LOL, first thing I always think of as well. </description>
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		<title>By: Kevin Speicher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Speicher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s passed from mother to child (any gender).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s passed from mother to child (any gender).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Downs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Downs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*cough*Parasite Eve*cough*.  I can&#039;t help but think of that when someone mentions mitochondrial eve.  Damn that book, though it did lead to me reading a lot of proper biological literature about mitochondria and their DNA.  

Never thought that it would be used as a crutch for creationism.  That&#039;s kinda hilarious and sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*cough*Parasite Eve*cough*.  I can&#8217;t help but think of that when someone mentions mitochondrial eve.  Damn that book, though it did lead to me reading a lot of proper biological literature about mitochondria and their DNA.  </p>
<p>Never thought that it would be used as a crutch for creationism.  That&#8217;s kinda hilarious and sad.</p>
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