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	<title>Comments on: Malware-Industrial Complex: how the trade in software bugs is weaponizing&#160;insecurity</title>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah Blatz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/malware-industrial-complex-ho.html#comment-1657182</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah Blatz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 22:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technically, this is a &quot;military-malware complex.&quot; A malware-industrial complex is one where companies pay bug bounties to researchers. The military one makes everyone less safe, the industrial one makes us all more safe. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technically, this is a &#8220;military-malware complex.&#8221; A malware-industrial complex is one where companies pay bug bounties to researchers. The military one makes everyone less safe, the industrial one makes us all more safe. </p>
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		<title>By: ehues</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/malware-industrial-complex-ho.html#comment-1657046</link>
		<dc:creator>ehues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;viruses that can hijack the camera and microphone on your phone or laptop; and more -- are the modern equivalent of landmines and cluster bombs: antipersonnel weapons that end up in the hands of criminals, thugs and dictators who use them to figure out whom to arrest, torture, and murder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Holy hyperbole Batman! 

Landmines and cluster munitions kill indiscriminately long after conflicts have ended and the originators have disappeared off the map. 

Malware depends on other actors to cause physical damage. It isn&#039;t a landmine so much as an informant. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>viruses that can hijack the camera and microphone on your phone or laptop; and more &#8212; are the modern equivalent of landmines and cluster bombs: antipersonnel weapons that end up in the hands of criminals, thugs and dictators who use them to figure out whom to arrest, torture, and murder.</p></blockquote>
<p>Holy hyperbole Batman! </p>
<p>Landmines and cluster munitions kill indiscriminately long after conflicts have ended and the originators have disappeared off the map. </p>
<p>Malware depends on other actors to cause physical damage. It isn&#8217;t a landmine so much as an informant. </p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Pickett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Pickett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And none of that cooperative multi-tasking shite.  Pre-emptive or no dinner!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And none of that cooperative multi-tasking shite.  Pre-emptive or no dinner!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Drage</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/malware-industrial-complex-ho.html#comment-1656815</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Drage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Landmine analogy fail</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Landmine analogy fail</p>
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		<title>By: peregrinus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/malware-industrial-complex-ho.html#comment-1656805</link>
		<dc:creator>peregrinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the more important that we create and program our own systems.  Sounds hard, and it is, but viruses in nature and software alike are only capable of activating in a specific ecological niche.  We&#039;ve been a little lazy with the generation of heterogenous systems, so the niches we have are large and everywhere.

I&#039;m going to set my kids the task of creating a new operating system on their Raspberry Pis this weekend, or no allowance.  And they&#039;re grounded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the more important that we create and program our own systems.  Sounds hard, and it is, but viruses in nature and software alike are only capable of activating in a specific ecological niche.  We&#8217;ve been a little lazy with the generation of heterogenous systems, so the niches we have are large and everywhere.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to set my kids the task of creating a new operating system on their Raspberry Pis this weekend, or no allowance.  And they&#8217;re grounded.</p>
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		<title>By: Stooge</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/malware-industrial-complex-ho.html#comment-1656783</link>
		<dc:creator>Stooge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what exactly is the up-side of the US government not buying zero-day vulnerabilities? It makes it a bit cheaper for everyone else? Sellers can earn a little less? The DoD can buy an extra drone instead?

A non-lethal arms race sounds like a huge improvement on the last one.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what exactly is the up-side of the US government not buying zero-day vulnerabilities? It makes it a bit cheaper for everyone else? Sellers can earn a little less? The DoD can buy an extra drone instead?</p>
<p>A non-lethal arms race sounds like a huge improvement on the last one.</p>
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		<title>By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/malware-industrial-complex-ho.html#comment-1656686</link>
		<dc:creator>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 05:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;First of all, software bugs affect us all.&quot;

It&#039;s worse than that: Software bugs affect people who depend on software, and dependence on software is something that increases massively as the complexity of your modern infrastructure increases.

By contrast, software &lt;em&gt;attacks&lt;/em&gt;, while not free, are cheap enough to be within the capabilities of even fairly feeble nation states and assorted private actors, and it is (comparatively) easy to scale your attack capabilities with nothing more than nationalism and petty cash.

For the US to act in a way that decreases computer security for everyone would be like the US acting in a way that decreases the strength of concrete for everyone. Yeah, sure, that will make busting a few bunkers easier; but it will also cause massive costs and damage across large swaths of our own infrastructure. Not a good trade-off. 

If software bugs affected us all equally, playing for exploits rather than fixes would still be quite likely to be a zero-sum game; but that would be a hell of an improvement over the actual state of things, where it is a negative-sum game that we(along with other high-infrastructure populations) cannot possibly hope to even lose less than the other guy does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;First of all, software bugs affect us all.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worse than that: Software bugs affect people who depend on software, and dependence on software is something that increases massively as the complexity of your modern infrastructure increases.</p>
<p>By contrast, software <em>attacks</em>, while not free, are cheap enough to be within the capabilities of even fairly feeble nation states and assorted private actors, and it is (comparatively) easy to scale your attack capabilities with nothing more than nationalism and petty cash.</p>
<p>For the US to act in a way that decreases computer security for everyone would be like the US acting in a way that decreases the strength of concrete for everyone. Yeah, sure, that will make busting a few bunkers easier; but it will also cause massive costs and damage across large swaths of our own infrastructure. Not a good trade-off. </p>
<p>If software bugs affected us all equally, playing for exploits rather than fixes would still be quite likely to be a zero-sum game; but that would be a hell of an improvement over the actual state of things, where it is a negative-sum game that we(along with other high-infrastructure populations) cannot possibly hope to even lose less than the other guy does.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake0748</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake0748</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 04:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2/14?  Is that like 4:20?  I&#039;m in.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2/14?  Is that like 4:20?  I&#8217;m in.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Pickett</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/malware-industrial-complex-ho.html#comment-1656653</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Pickett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 04:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an interesting world out there, all right.  I recently closed on a mortgage and used an online broker thinking, &quot;Well this will be fun, I *love* docusign :D &quot;.  Turns out they had their own proprietary client-side Java applet, and for all practical purposes I could only exchange PDFs with the loan technicians and underwriters.

The reason I mention this is even though there are super sekret zero day vulns that none of us mere mortals know about, there are an order of magnitude more that we do know about--in client side Java and Adobe reader.  Want to pwn a mortgage company that resells loans to the largest financial companies in the world?  Apply for said loan, and embed something interesting.

So do I have answers for what to do, general answers that help the broader community and not just one (slightly contrived) example?  Sure.  Lots of us in this space have answers.  The downside is they are modestly complex, not entirely free, and slightly hostile to users who don&#039;t care for technology; but most of all the right answers take work and vigilance, which don&#039;t usually lend themselves to &#039;set and forget&#039;.

Anyway, happy 2/14!!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting world out there, all right.  I recently closed on a mortgage and used an online broker thinking, &#8220;Well this will be fun, I *love* docusign :D &#8220;.  Turns out they had their own proprietary client-side Java applet, and for all practical purposes I could only exchange PDFs with the loan technicians and underwriters.</p>
<p>The reason I mention this is even though there are super sekret zero day vulns that none of us mere mortals know about, there are an order of magnitude more that we do know about&#8211;in client side Java and Adobe reader.  Want to pwn a mortgage company that resells loans to the largest financial companies in the world?  Apply for said loan, and embed something interesting.</p>
<p>So do I have answers for what to do, general answers that help the broader community and not just one (slightly contrived) example?  Sure.  Lots of us in this space have answers.  The downside is they are modestly complex, not entirely free, and slightly hostile to users who don&#8217;t care for technology; but most of all the right answers take work and vigilance, which don&#8217;t usually lend themselves to &#8216;set and forget&#8217;.</p>
<p>Anyway, happy 2/14!!  </p>
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		<title>By: WrittenBugs</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/malware-industrial-complex-ho.html#comment-1656642</link>
		<dc:creator>WrittenBugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, software bugs affect us all. 

Second we should not reward &quot;researchers&quot; for finding and then extorting cash for bugs.

Third, your government is making you LESS safe by supporting a trade in malware. This costs more in the end due to all the insurance, fraud and organized crime, but hey who cares about externalities, we just want to bag the bad guy! 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, software bugs affect us all. </p>
<p>Second we should not reward &#8220;researchers&#8221; for finding and then extorting cash for bugs.</p>
<p>Third, your government is making you LESS safe by supporting a trade in malware. This costs more in the end due to all the insurance, fraud and organized crime, but hey who cares about externalities, we just want to bag the bad guy! </p>
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		<title>By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 02:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other news, rifles are also not weapons. They are, rather, components of infantry units...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other news, rifles are also not weapons. They are, rather, components of infantry units&#8230;</p>
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