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	<title>Comments on: NYT reviewer responds to Tesla&#160;accusations</title>
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		<title>By: Nathan Hornby</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1658508</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Hornby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends on the car.

Anyway this argument is stale and irrelevant, unless you&#039;ve found a way to make oil renewable.

The point is that the NYT article has now been shown to be an exception and not the rule (via a handful of rebuttals).

Accept it and move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on the car.</p>
<p>Anyway this argument is stale and irrelevant, unless you&#8217;ve found a way to make oil renewable.</p>
<p>The point is that the NYT article has now been shown to be an exception and not the rule (via a handful of rebuttals).</p>
<p>Accept it and move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Fantome_NR</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1658472</link>
		<dc:creator>Fantome_NR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 04:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>more so in this car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more so in this car.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Hornby</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1658448</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Hornby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 02:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like in any car?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like in any car?</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Hornby</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1658261</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Hornby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 19:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s debatable, but certainly possible. All the Tesla drivers that spoke out against the original article are probably a more relevant counter-point.

From what I&#039;ve heard of the phone support though that&#039;s definitely on Tesla&#039;s hands - unless he was making that up as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s debatable, but certainly possible. All the Tesla drivers that spoke out against the original article are probably a more relevant counter-point.</p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve heard of the phone support though that&#8217;s definitely on Tesla&#8217;s hands &#8211; unless he was making that up as well.</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1658225</link>
		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about how the efficiency of the Tesla&#039;s motor varies versus output power, but see pulse-and-glide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy-efficient_driving
So while it may be badly given advice, it isn&#039;t automatically wrong</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about how the efficiency of the Tesla&#8217;s motor varies versus output power, but see pulse-and-glide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy-efficient_driving<br />
So while it may be badly given advice, it isn&#8217;t automatically wrong</p>
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		<title>By: Fantome_NR</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1658202</link>
		<dc:creator>Fantome_NR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>big differences in the way the CNN test went. they did the trip all in one day, in temperatures that were ten degrees warmer. they didnt have to leave the car parked overnight in cold weather or look for charging stations in the dark. so if anything, this proves how inconsistent the experience of operating this car still is, and that it is vulnerable to cold weather. and that if unforeseen things happen you will be up shit&#039;s creek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>big differences in the way the CNN test went. they did the trip all in one day, in temperatures that were ten degrees warmer. they didnt have to leave the car parked overnight in cold weather or look for charging stations in the dark. so if anything, this proves how inconsistent the experience of operating this car still is, and that it is vulnerable to cold weather. and that if unforeseen things happen you will be up shit&#8217;s creek.</p>
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		<title>By: Singe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1657748</link>
		<dc:creator>Singe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t find any difficulty staying at 65 mph on a highway, I only find annoying tailgaters who don&#039;t know how to stay at the speed limit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t find any difficulty staying at 65 mph on a highway, I only find annoying tailgaters who don&#8217;t know how to stay at the speed limit.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis Rivera</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1657492</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexis Rivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 09:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems some people forget that the gasoline engine is going to become too expensive to operate as oil supplies grow scarce. Like you said there is a need for alternatives, their associated problems will need to be worked out over time </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems some people forget that the gasoline engine is going to become too expensive to operate as oil supplies grow scarce. Like you said there is a need for alternatives, their associated problems will need to be worked out over time </p>
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		<title>By: GearoidMacConfhiaclaigh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1657440</link>
		<dc:creator>GearoidMacConfhiaclaigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 06:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But by the &quot;real world&quot; standard, the writer has already failed.

Why not charge at another station? That is what would be done in the real world. I understand it wasn&#039;t within the parameters of the test, but neither were the speeds nor the high heat. You can still fail the test by saying the car could not make it to the next Tesla charger. But if you do that, you don&#039;t end up with the towed car or the photos.

I think the writer, in the name of &quot;realism&quot; made explicitly poor decisions. I think that invalidates the test. I don&#039;t think Telsa is entirely in the right here (putting stations nearly your max range apart? That&#039;s just foolish), but I don&#039;t think the writer in any way shape or form recreated a realistic scenario. 

This (tongue in cheek) response sums of my feelings pretty well. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2013/02/14/inspired-by-nyt-tesla-test-here-are-my-consumer-trials-of-some-products/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But by the &#8220;real world&#8221; standard, the writer has already failed.</p>
<p>Why not charge at another station? That is what would be done in the real world. I understand it wasn&#8217;t within the parameters of the test, but neither were the speeds nor the high heat. You can still fail the test by saying the car could not make it to the next Tesla charger. But if you do that, you don&#8217;t end up with the towed car or the photos.</p>
<p>I think the writer, in the name of &#8220;realism&#8221; made explicitly poor decisions. I think that invalidates the test. I don&#8217;t think Telsa is entirely in the right here (putting stations nearly your max range apart? That&#8217;s just foolish), but I don&#8217;t think the writer in any way shape or form recreated a realistic scenario. </p>
<p>This (tongue in cheek) response sums of my feelings pretty well. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2013/02/14/inspired-by-nyt-tesla-test-here-are-my-consumer-trials-of-some-products/" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2013/02/14/inspired-by-nyt-tesla-test-here-are-my-consumer-trials-of-some-products/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1657434</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 05:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So we must test all products now based on someone half-assing it and making clear mistakes they were warned not to make?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Unless Tesla wants to be the car company that forces buyers to attend a training course before purchase, then yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So we must test all products now based on someone half-assing it and making clear mistakes they were warned not to make?</p></blockquote>
<p>Unless Tesla wants to be the car company that forces buyers to attend a training course before purchase, then yes.</p>
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		<title>By: GearoidMacConfhiaclaigh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1657428</link>
		<dc:creator>GearoidMacConfhiaclaigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 05:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we must test all products now based on someone half-assing it and making clear mistakes they were warned not to make?

I disagree that it was anything like a &quot;real world&quot; test. It might have been what the writer THOUGHT was a real world test, which would show poor judgement on his part. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we must test all products now based on someone half-assing it and making clear mistakes they were warned not to make?</p>
<p>I disagree that it was anything like a &#8220;real world&#8221; test. It might have been what the writer THOUGHT was a real world test, which would show poor judgement on his part. </p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1657397</link>
		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 04:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the difference is that the Tesla tires are calibrated for at the factory, while you&#039;re using different tires than were calibrated for at the factory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the difference is that the Tesla tires are calibrated for at the factory, while you&#8217;re using different tires than were calibrated for at the factory.</p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1657394</link>
		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;not because you expect its remaining charge to rapidly dissipate &quot;

I expect to need to have it fully charged in the morning as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;not because you expect its remaining charge to rapidly dissipate &#8221;</p>
<p>I expect to need to have it fully charged in the morning as well.</p>
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		<title>By: nemomen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1657356</link>
		<dc:creator>nemomen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They did a highly choreographed run exactly following Tesla&#039;s criteria and it went well.  The NYT did something more like a real world test, and it went less well. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They did a highly choreographed run exactly following Tesla&#8217;s criteria and it went well.  The NYT did something more like a real world test, and it went less well. </p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Wham</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1657241</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilbert Wham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I&#039;d be very surprised if they weren&#039;t these days. I&#039;ve done my fair share of helldesk, and pretty much everywhere recorded every call as a matter of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I&#8217;d be very surprised if they weren&#8217;t these days. I&#8217;ve done my fair share of helldesk, and pretty much everywhere recorded every call as a matter of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Wham</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1657244</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilbert Wham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> It&#039;s pretty much my surmise also, and I&#039;m basing it on having read newspapers before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> It&#8217;s pretty much my surmise also, and I&#8217;m basing it on having read newspapers before.</p>
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		<title>By: blissfulight</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1657195</link>
		<dc:creator>blissfulight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 22:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an element of trust here that the reporter was acting in good faith, and that Musk overreacted.  

If I had the reporter&#039;s notes, along with his long form birth certificate, I would hope that would be enough to prove to you, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he is telling the truth, or at least a heavily annotated version of it.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an element of trust here that the reporter was acting in good faith, and that Musk overreacted.  </p>
<p>If I had the reporter&#8217;s notes, along with his long form birth certificate, I would hope that would be enough to prove to you, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he is telling the truth, or at least a heavily annotated version of it.  </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1657158</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Broder does not like electric cars and wanted to make Tesla look bad.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Evidence of past animosity to electric cars or Tesla?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Broder does not like electric cars and wanted to make Tesla look bad.</p></blockquote>
<p>Evidence of past animosity to electric cars or Tesla?</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1657150</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we all know that when two experiments give opposite results, that the one that agrees with our premise must be correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we all know that when two experiments give opposite results, that the one that agrees with our premise must be correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren_Terra</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1657103</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren_Terra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You charge your cellphone overnight not because you expect its remaining charge to rapidly dissipate but because you expect your phone to spend the night communicating with the cellular network, which uses battery. If instead you powered your cellphone down for the night - switched it completely off - you would be in a more parallel situation, and then you might well not plug in your cellphone, if you expected its remaining battery to suffice for the next day&#039;s requirements.

Also note that your hotel room has outlets that can be used to charge your phone; finding an outlet in your hotel&#039;s parking lot may be trickier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You charge your cellphone overnight not because you expect its remaining charge to rapidly dissipate but because you expect your phone to spend the night communicating with the cellular network, which uses battery. If instead you powered your cellphone down for the night &#8211; switched it completely off &#8211; you would be in a more parallel situation, and then you might well not plug in your cellphone, if you expected its remaining battery to suffice for the next day&#8217;s requirements.</p>
<p>Also note that your hotel room has outlets that can be used to charge your phone; finding an outlet in your hotel&#8217;s parking lot may be trickier.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterK</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1657095</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I dunno, I&#039;ve seen people drive around for three minutes at a normal gas station.  It&#039;s like a dog trying to find the perfect place to poop.  Looking at the photos, the tesla chargers seem pretty noticeable in the day.  They seem decidedly less visible in the night photo taken by Broder.  Also, since electric cars are most efficient when operated at low speeds   http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/roadster-efficiency-and-range I don&#039;t think driving around for 3 minutes at 10 mph had any great impact on battery life.

I think the biggest issue was the author not having a great understanding of electric cars, how they charge, efficiency, etc.  But I doubt most vehicle owners do.  So maybe it was more a review of basic science literacy than of Tesla.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I dunno, I&#8217;ve seen people drive around for three minutes at a normal gas station.  It&#8217;s like a dog trying to find the perfect place to poop.  Looking at the photos, the tesla chargers seem pretty noticeable in the day.  They seem decidedly less visible in the night photo taken by Broder.  Also, since electric cars are most efficient when operated at low speeds   <a href="http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/roadster-efficiency-and-range" rel="nofollow">http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/roadster-efficiency-and-range</a> I don&#8217;t think driving around for 3 minutes at 10 mph had any great impact on battery life.</p>
<p>I think the biggest issue was the author not having a great understanding of electric cars, how they charge, efficiency, etc.  But I doubt most vehicle owners do.  So maybe it was more a review of basic science literacy than of Tesla.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules McWyrm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules McWyrm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> How do you go from &#039;I suspect he made some mistakes&#039; to &#039;so you presume ... Broder lied on purpose?&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> How do you go from &#8216;I suspect he made some mistakes&#8217; to &#8216;so you presume &#8230; Broder lied on purpose?&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Jules McWyrm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules McWyrm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. A mite touchy, eh?

Neither I nor Edward Brennan said the  guy was lying so I&#039;m not sure how you get to a &#039;specious allegation that Broder&#039;s a liar.&#039; The allegation was that he relied significantly on his recollections and had done a poor job of documenting his trip. Your rebuttal? Exactly one datum the reporter claims to have documented with notes. Nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. A mite touchy, eh?</p>
<p>Neither I nor Edward Brennan said the  guy was lying so I&#8217;m not sure how you get to a &#8216;specious allegation that Broder&#8217;s a liar.&#8217; The allegation was that he relied significantly on his recollections and had done a poor job of documenting his trip. Your rebuttal? Exactly one datum the reporter claims to have documented with notes. Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
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		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s as valid as the original shitty review with all the drama intact. He wanted to &quot;prove&quot; the &quot;real world&quot; driving of a road trip and intentionally refused to charge the car up repeatedly. 


Someone did the same thing, but refueled the car properly, experiencing none of the same issues. The only difference between the reviews is that one is far more boring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s as valid as the original shitty review with all the drama intact. He wanted to &#8220;prove&#8221; the &#8220;real world&#8221; driving of a road trip and intentionally refused to charge the car up repeatedly. </p>
<p>Someone did the same thing, but refueled the car properly, experiencing none of the same issues. The only difference between the reviews is that one is far more boring.</p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1657032</link>
		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The reporter did things that were wrong: he didn&#039;t charge the car as it was parked in the cold overnight (I don&#039;t know if he was told to),&quot;

I bet he charged his cellphone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The reporter did things that were wrong: he didn&#8217;t charge the car as it was parked in the cold overnight (I don&#8217;t know if he was told to),&#8221;</p>
<p>I bet he charged his cellphone.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Hornby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Hornby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CNN just did the run, and it went just fine.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/15/autos/tesla-model-s/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CNN just did the run, and it went just fine.</p>
<p><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/15/autos/tesla-model-s/" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/15/autos/tesla-model-s/</a></p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1656989</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The critical difference here is that the amount of gas you have left doesn&#039;t fluctuate based on temperature or whether or not the car is being heated. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Not the amount, no, but your mileage does.  Internal combustion engines are considerably more efficient with cold air coming in than with hot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The critical difference here is that the amount of gas you have left doesn&#8217;t fluctuate based on temperature or whether or not the car is being heated. </p></blockquote>
<p>Not the amount, no, but your mileage does.  Internal combustion engines are considerably more efficient with cold air coming in than with hot.</p>
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		<title>By: cub</title>
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		<dc:creator>cub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent opinion!  but would you have been satisfied with anything, knowing your opinion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent opinion!  but would you have been satisfied with anything, knowing your opinion?</p>
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		<title>By: LintMan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/nyt-reviewer-responds-to-tesla.html#comment-1656969</link>
		<dc:creator>LintMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My take on it now is that there were plenty of mistakes to go around, but I don&#039;t think either side is being intentionally dishonest.

For his part, Broder should have been a lot smarter and more patient about charging the car.  Why didn&#039;t he do a full charge before the trip?  After all the charge worries on the first leg, why did he do a &quot;should be enough&quot; charge on the second leg instead of a full charge?  His original article left me with the mistaken impression that had HAD started with a full charge, and he HAD fully charged it for the second leg.  Also, the &quot;downtown Manhattan&quot; thing:  If you take the Lincoln Tunnel, you are driving in Manhattan.  I doubt Musk was referring to a specific &quot;downtown&quot; district.  And while the mileage might be close between the tunnel/bridge options, it&#039;s quite possible that travel time could be quite different due to traffic speed differences.

For Tesla&#039;s part, their phone support seems to have been giving out some really terrible advice - esp.  the stuff about braking to save energy, having him &quot;wing it&quot; on the 32 mile charge hoping it&#039;ll go back up, the &quot;warm-up&quot; than ran the battery even deader.  And the unreleaseable parking brake issue is disastrous.  They also completely fail to address why the battery lost so much power overnight (from 90 miles to 25!).  This is dramatically more than the 10% cold factor they expect.  It almost seems like an overt failure happened here.  How could all those owners in Sweden or Norway or wherever deal with that on a regular basis?  My guess is they don&#039;t and this is not normal and so should be addressed.

I do wonder about the 47 vs 58 minute charging.  I really doubt Tesla is making up what their logs say, and Brder seems quite specific about the charge times.   But again, why didn&#039;t Broder just let it charge fully - or even for a full 60 minutes - after his earlier worries and miserable slow unheated drive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take on it now is that there were plenty of mistakes to go around, but I don&#8217;t think either side is being intentionally dishonest.</p>
<p>For his part, Broder should have been a lot smarter and more patient about charging the car.  Why didn&#8217;t he do a full charge before the trip?  After all the charge worries on the first leg, why did he do a &#8220;should be enough&#8221; charge on the second leg instead of a full charge?  His original article left me with the mistaken impression that had HAD started with a full charge, and he HAD fully charged it for the second leg.  Also, the &#8220;downtown Manhattan&#8221; thing:  If you take the Lincoln Tunnel, you are driving in Manhattan.  I doubt Musk was referring to a specific &#8220;downtown&#8221; district.  And while the mileage might be close between the tunnel/bridge options, it&#8217;s quite possible that travel time could be quite different due to traffic speed differences.</p>
<p>For Tesla&#8217;s part, their phone support seems to have been giving out some really terrible advice &#8211; esp.  the stuff about braking to save energy, having him &#8220;wing it&#8221; on the 32 mile charge hoping it&#8217;ll go back up, the &#8220;warm-up&#8221; than ran the battery even deader.  And the unreleaseable parking brake issue is disastrous.  They also completely fail to address why the battery lost so much power overnight (from 90 miles to 25!).  This is dramatically more than the 10% cold factor they expect.  It almost seems like an overt failure happened here.  How could all those owners in Sweden or Norway or wherever deal with that on a regular basis?  My guess is they don&#8217;t and this is not normal and so should be addressed.</p>
<p>I do wonder about the 47 vs 58 minute charging.  I really doubt Tesla is making up what their logs say, and Brder seems quite specific about the charge times.   But again, why didn&#8217;t Broder just let it charge fully &#8211; or even for a full 60 minutes - after his earlier worries and miserable slow unheated drive?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so you presume the graph that Musk posted is true, while Broder lied on purpose? That&#039;s an interesting take on the story. Or do you have access to the original logs and can verify that they haven&#039;t been tampered with / changed / are accurate?

It&#039;s really a matter of &quot;he said / she said&quot; and in this whole back and forth it strikes me that some people heavily align with Musk because he&#039;s a &quot;fellow geek who tries to save the world, oh and spaceships!!!!!&quot; and on the other hand you have a bunch of die hards who don&#039;t like electric cars and see this as proof positive that they are right too.

Personally I am in neither camp. I think Musk is overselling his car and Broder seems to have made some bad choices and been given some bad advice from Tesla. To call him a liar because of that is a bit strong though, guess you belong into the first camp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so you presume the graph that Musk posted is true, while Broder lied on purpose? That&#8217;s an interesting take on the story. Or do you have access to the original logs and can verify that they haven&#8217;t been tampered with / changed / are accurate?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really a matter of &#8220;he said / she said&#8221; and in this whole back and forth it strikes me that some people heavily align with Musk because he&#8217;s a &#8220;fellow geek who tries to save the world, oh and spaceships!!!!!&#8221; and on the other hand you have a bunch of die hards who don&#8217;t like electric cars and see this as proof positive that they are right too.</p>
<p>Personally I am in neither camp. I think Musk is overselling his car and Broder seems to have made some bad choices and been given some bad advice from Tesla. To call him a liar because of that is a bit strong though, guess you belong into the first camp.</p>
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