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	<title>Comments on: Tesla releases logs it says prove NYT reviewer faked&#160;review</title>
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		<title>By: Churba S</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1657048</link>
		<dc:creator>Churba S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Clever, but known. That&#039;s exactly the sort of thing many journalists are wary of for EXACTLY that reason. The first two can be somewhat justified under some circumstances. The Golf tournament is obviously dodgy. The moment it gets obviously dodgy, you start recording EVERYTHING, because there might be a story in it.

As for review cars being lent, but then never asked back? Yeah, Doesn&#039;t happen, ever. I&#039;m pretty sure it would be the stupidest possible way to bribe someone, because everybody would notice and start asking very serious questions, because as you might have noticed, when a journo has a credibility problem or a conflict of interest problem, it taints the whole publication.

Seriously, while I see where you&#039;re going, this is is basically don&#039;t take bribes 101 for journalists. Credibility and trust are more important than water or air for journalists(though do remember to poke holes in the box you keep them in, we appreciate it), and ethical violations of that nature are not only career-enders, they&#039;re exactly the sort of thing that EVERYBODY in the food chain is looking out for. Even if you didn&#039;t pick up on it, they also have to fool the editors(and cronies), legal(and cronies), the publisher, your fellow journos and columnists.  

Basically, by the time you start getting a realistic chance of success, you&#039;d have to be paying off half the damned staff, which simply isn&#039;t cost effective, and is STILL trivial to defeat.

Yep - It&#039;s still trivial to defeat blackmail, because all you have to do is the exact same thing as bribery: You go to print. You shout it loud from the rooftops what they&#039;re doing, and by extension, what they&#039;re trying to hold over you, which both removes their ability to blackmail you, and their credibility for counter-allegations.

Blackmail and bribery rely on Cowardice, and the latter, cowardice and greed. It hurts you the worst only if you don&#039;t have the spine to face it head-on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Clever, but known. That&#8217;s exactly the sort of thing many journalists are wary of for EXACTLY that reason. The first two can be somewhat justified under some circumstances. The Golf tournament is obviously dodgy. The moment it gets obviously dodgy, you start recording EVERYTHING, because there might be a story in it.</p>
<p>As for review cars being lent, but then never asked back? Yeah, Doesn&#8217;t happen, ever. I&#8217;m pretty sure it would be the stupidest possible way to bribe someone, because everybody would notice and start asking very serious questions, because as you might have noticed, when a journo has a credibility problem or a conflict of interest problem, it taints the whole publication.</p>
<p>Seriously, while I see where you&#8217;re going, this is is basically don&#8217;t take bribes 101 for journalists. Credibility and trust are more important than water or air for journalists(though do remember to poke holes in the box you keep them in, we appreciate it), and ethical violations of that nature are not only career-enders, they&#8217;re exactly the sort of thing that EVERYBODY in the food chain is looking out for. Even if you didn&#8217;t pick up on it, they also have to fool the editors(and cronies), legal(and cronies), the publisher, your fellow journos and columnists.  </p>
<p>Basically, by the time you start getting a realistic chance of success, you&#8217;d have to be paying off half the damned staff, which simply isn&#8217;t cost effective, and is STILL trivial to defeat.</p>
<p>Yep &#8211; It&#8217;s still trivial to defeat blackmail, because all you have to do is the exact same thing as bribery: You go to print. You shout it loud from the rooftops what they&#8217;re doing, and by extension, what they&#8217;re trying to hold over you, which both removes their ability to blackmail you, and their credibility for counter-allegations.</p>
<p>Blackmail and bribery rely on Cowardice, and the latter, cowardice and greed. It hurts you the worst only if you don&#8217;t have the spine to face it head-on.</p>
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		<title>By: Oluseyi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656991</link>
		<dc:creator>Oluseyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re a journo who has covered the oil industry for years, good and bad, and has become so familiar with oil industry talking points that some of them have surreptitiously begun to affect your thinking, such that you now have subtle, latent hostilities toward &quot;green&quot; initiatives that are anything short of perfect.

You are presented with an opportunity to review an electric vehicle, even though you&#039;re not an automotive journalist. It&#039;s a good car, but you legitimately experience range anxiety, which causes your latent hostilities to flare up. &quot;What a crock of shit!&quot;, you exclaim to yourself. You zero in on every perceived shortcoming and adopt an aggrieved tone in your review...


Bribery isn&#039;t necessary to occasion the sort of bias that the review reflected. I&#039;m a huge automotive fan and believe electric vehicles are the future, but I don&#039;t believe in *batteries*. Take away balance and perspective and you end up with a screed against a strong but compromised step toward a practical EV for the masses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re a journo who has covered the oil industry for years, good and bad, and has become so familiar with oil industry talking points that some of them have surreptitiously begun to affect your thinking, such that you now have subtle, latent hostilities toward &#8220;green&#8221; initiatives that are anything short of perfect.</p>
<p>You are presented with an opportunity to review an electric vehicle, even though you&#8217;re not an automotive journalist. It&#8217;s a good car, but you legitimately experience range anxiety, which causes your latent hostilities to flare up. &#8220;What a crock of shit!&#8221;, you exclaim to yourself. You zero in on every perceived shortcoming and adopt an aggrieved tone in your review&#8230;</p>
<p>Bribery isn&#8217;t necessary to occasion the sort of bias that the review reflected. I&#8217;m a huge automotive fan and believe electric vehicles are the future, but I don&#8217;t believe in *batteries*. Take away balance and perspective and you end up with a screed against a strong but compromised step toward a practical EV for the masses.</p>
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		<title>By: Heevee Lister</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656951</link>
		<dc:creator>Heevee Lister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Internal combustion vehicles are like phono cartridges were in their last years - a hopelessly complex, fundamentally flawed principle brought to an unimaginable level of refinement, thanks to years of creative engineers who couldn&#039;t imagine anything better.  

As records still have their fanatical devotees, so it is with ICEVs.  It&#039;s just that EVs aren&#039;t yet as far along as digital audio.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internal combustion vehicles are like phono cartridges were in their last years &#8211; a hopelessly complex, fundamentally flawed principle brought to an unimaginable level of refinement, thanks to years of creative engineers who couldn&#8217;t imagine anything better.  </p>
<p>As records still have their fanatical devotees, so it is with ICEVs.  It&#8217;s just that EVs aren&#8217;t yet as far along as digital audio.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeGuyNamedMark</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeGuyNamedMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But data without context can be junk data.  This comes up when comparing hospitals around here.  People will post death rates for patients and leave out important details like one hospital was taking the sickest, most challenging patients and the others were taking the easiest.

Now the reporter is saying the driving pattern in the data recorder is due to instructions he received from Tesla and him trying to find the charging station.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But data without context can be junk data.  This comes up when comparing hospitals around here.  People will post death rates for patients and leave out important details like one hospital was taking the sickest, most challenging patients and the others were taking the easiest.</p>
<p>Now the reporter is saying the driving pattern in the data recorder is due to instructions he received from Tesla and him trying to find the charging station.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeGuyNamedMark</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeGuyNamedMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> But most media outlets are corporations too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> But most media outlets are corporations too.</p>
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		<title>By: Deidzoeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deidzoeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the car works fine as long as you don&#039;t drive around a parking lot a few times, as far as half a mile? Sounds like sabotage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the car works fine as long as you don&#8217;t drive around a parking lot a few times, as far as half a mile? Sounds like sabotage.</p>
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		<title>By: jsd</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656814</link>
		<dc:creator>jsd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I imagine Elon Musk weeping over my comment, while a board room of oil barons celebrate with champagne made from the blood of unbaptized babies. 

Surely we must all take ourselves and the goings on of arrogant businessmen and journalists as seriously as you. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine Elon Musk weeping over my comment, while a board room of oil barons celebrate with champagne made from the blood of unbaptized babies. </p>
<p>Surely we must all take ourselves and the goings on of arrogant businessmen and journalists as seriously as you. </p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656635</link>
		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 03:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, it&#039;s a pretty good rebuttal. The tire-size speculation aside, most of what he says is reasonable, without contradicting the logs in any way (which I don&#039;t believe for a moment were faked).

I think it&#039;s perfectly possible that the Tesla employee, for example, knowing that the cold was causing the battery to incorrectly appear to not be as charged as it was, might have told him that an hour charging would be enough so long as he then drove slowly.

The logs do show that he spent most of the time driving 65, and a fair chunk of the trip at 55. This is not the behavior of someone who is intentionally trying to drive a car into the ground. And the explanation for why he drove around the lot (looking for the little charging station in the dark) is a lot more reasonable than the thought that he hoped a little driving in circles would &quot;kill&quot; the car, and then gave up after five minutes.

Honestly, I was all ready to pile on to the reporter (and did so above in the comments), but I think that most of the explanations he gave were perfectly likely, and no longer think that he was just out-and-out lying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, it&#8217;s a pretty good rebuttal. The tire-size speculation aside, most of what he says is reasonable, without contradicting the logs in any way (which I don&#8217;t believe for a moment were faked).</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s perfectly possible that the Tesla employee, for example, knowing that the cold was causing the battery to incorrectly appear to not be as charged as it was, might have told him that an hour charging would be enough so long as he then drove slowly.</p>
<p>The logs do show that he spent most of the time driving 65, and a fair chunk of the trip at 55. This is not the behavior of someone who is intentionally trying to drive a car into the ground. And the explanation for why he drove around the lot (looking for the little charging station in the dark) is a lot more reasonable than the thought that he hoped a little driving in circles would &#8220;kill&#8221; the car, and then gave up after five minutes.</p>
<p>Honestly, I was all ready to pile on to the reporter (and did so above in the comments), but I think that most of the explanations he gave were perfectly likely, and no longer think that he was just out-and-out lying.</p>
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		<title>By: beaker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656565</link>
		<dc:creator>beaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 01:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  I just visited the comments under the Atlantic Wire post. The commenters there have taken the discussion to a whole &#039;nuther level. Some have even questioned the motives of the blogger, and I wonder if we can trust anything further that we might hear from the Tesla employees who were involved in the phone calls with Broder.  If I have anything more to contribute,  I think I&#039;ll take it over there.  I doubt that Musk will let Broder&#039;s recent NYT post be the last word...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  I just visited the comments under the Atlantic Wire post. The commenters there have taken the discussion to a whole &#8216;nuther level. Some have even questioned the motives of the blogger, and I wonder if we can trust anything further that we might hear from the Tesla employees who were involved in the phone calls with Broder.  If I have anything more to contribute,  I think I&#8217;ll take it over there.  I doubt that Musk will let Broder&#8217;s recent NYT post be the last word&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
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		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 00:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I totally understand all these criticisms. I just ride public transpo&#039; or use a car share service for those reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I totally understand all these criticisms. I just ride public transpo&#8217; or use a car share service for those reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
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		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t appear to be a very good analysis, for what it&#039;s worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t appear to be a very good analysis, for what it&#8217;s worth.</p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
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		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 00:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He speculates that some of the discrepancies about the car&#039;s speed during the trip can be explained by different sized tires (??)&quot;

Absolute desperate bullshit unless he somehow swapped the tires they gave him and tinkered with their onboard GPS which would have corroborated the same speeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He speculates that some of the discrepancies about the car&#8217;s speed during the trip can be explained by different sized tires (??)&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolute desperate bullshit unless he somehow swapped the tires they gave him and tinkered with their onboard GPS which would have corroborated the same speeds.</p>
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		<title>By: jansob</title>
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		<dc:creator>jansob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 00:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are also conservative-minded people who aren&#039;t climate deniers, who love hybrids...and think the NYT is quite biased. 
I&#039;m highly critical of EVs for anything but city commuting, because the battery tech and infrastructure is not here YET. I can imagine Thanksgiving weekend near a major highway in New England...5 or 6 Teslas sitting in a parking lot waiting an hour for each car to finish. And the Prius drivers stopping for 10 minutes to fill up. It&#039;s all about the capability to go off the plan, to go a few extra miles to check out the giant ball of string museum or drive into a cold front without having to have planned for it the day before, or go pick up the neighbor&#039;s kid at soccer on short notice. EVs are just too limiting for most people.

If they ever do something like the exchangeable battery pack station or roads that recharge, maybe. But not now.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are also conservative-minded people who aren&#8217;t climate deniers, who love hybrids&#8230;and think the NYT is quite biased. <br />
I&#8217;m highly critical of EVs for anything but city commuting, because the battery tech and infrastructure is not here YET. I can imagine Thanksgiving weekend near a major highway in New England&#8230;5 or 6 Teslas sitting in a parking lot waiting an hour for each car to finish. And the Prius drivers stopping for 10 minutes to fill up. It&#8217;s all about the capability to go off the plan, to go a few extra miles to check out the giant ball of string museum or drive into a cold front without having to have planned for it the day before, or go pick up the neighbor&#8217;s kid at soccer on short notice. EVs are just too limiting for most people.</p>
<p>If they ever do something like the exchangeable battery pack station or roads that recharge, maybe. But not now.</p>
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		<title>By: LogrusZed</title>
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		<dc:creator>LogrusZed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 00:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I can&#039;t speak for everyone but as someone who is very keen on fully electric vehicles AND someone who had been very much a gearhead (Lambo poster on the wall as a teen, watch TG and used to watch Road &amp; Track, built/rebuilt my last truck a 79&#039; Ford Bronco with a 400M Cleveland 625 Demon carb MSD, Edelbrock manifold, etc) I just realized that while the fantasy that most gearheads have is of 500+ horsepower supercars the reality is sub 150hp daily drivers that can be replaced with fully electric vehicles that, in terms of maintenance and &quot;fuel&quot; are cheaper and a damn-sight more kind to the air.

Much of the die-hard (possibly most) clinging to fossil fuels by the average user is based on the fantasy of having some 700bhp crate motor powered Cobra taken from them by eco-hippies when the reality is they will probably never own anything more potent than a beige Camry and of those few who do own powerful vehicles an even smaller percent bothers to go to the track with it. Think of how few people who own 4x4 vehicles actually use them offroad.

I believe this is supported by talk of the sound that people love so much (me too, I had stainless Flowmasters on the Ford for just that purpose).

At the moment your options for a fully electric vehicle are pretty limited, but the potential for a fully electric off-road car or hyper car is not limited by the technology it&#039;s being limited by pushing the argument into the socio-political rather than the technical. Those who benefit from the dominance of fossil fuels and internal combustion want this to be a culture war and want people to resent new tech because it threatens their wealth. 

This is the same thing with gun humpers. I&#039;m not talking about someone who shoots a deer every year or goes and hammers targets on Saturday, etc. But the people who feel they need an armory to prevent a fascist takeover (I would argue &quot;too little too late&quot;) because a half dozen Bushmaster AR clones with 100 round drums will somehow stop tanks and Apache gunships in their fantasy. These are people who watched &quot;Red Dawn&quot; and couldn&#039;t wait to get home before jacking off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I can&#8217;t speak for everyone but as someone who is very keen on fully electric vehicles AND someone who had been very much a gearhead (Lambo poster on the wall as a teen, watch TG and used to watch Road &amp; Track, built/rebuilt my last truck a 79&#8242; Ford Bronco with a 400M Cleveland 625 Demon carb MSD, Edelbrock manifold, etc) I just realized that while the fantasy that most gearheads have is of 500+ horsepower supercars the reality is sub 150hp daily drivers that can be replaced with fully electric vehicles that, in terms of maintenance and &#8220;fuel&#8221; are cheaper and a damn-sight more kind to the air.</p>
<p>Much of the die-hard (possibly most) clinging to fossil fuels by the average user is based on the fantasy of having some 700bhp crate motor powered Cobra taken from them by eco-hippies when the reality is they will probably never own anything more potent than a beige Camry and of those few who do own powerful vehicles an even smaller percent bothers to go to the track with it. Think of how few people who own 4&#215;4 vehicles actually use them offroad.</p>
<p>I believe this is supported by talk of the sound that people love so much (me too, I had stainless Flowmasters on the Ford for just that purpose).</p>
<p>At the moment your options for a fully electric vehicle are pretty limited, but the potential for a fully electric off-road car or hyper car is not limited by the technology it&#8217;s being limited by pushing the argument into the socio-political rather than the technical. Those who benefit from the dominance of fossil fuels and internal combustion want this to be a culture war and want people to resent new tech because it threatens their wealth. </p>
<p>This is the same thing with gun humpers. I&#8217;m not talking about someone who shoots a deer every year or goes and hammers targets on Saturday, etc. But the people who feel they need an armory to prevent a fascist takeover (I would argue &#8220;too little too late&#8221;) because a half dozen Bushmaster AR clones with 100 round drums will somehow stop tanks and Apache gunships in their fantasy. These are people who watched &#8220;Red Dawn&#8221; and couldn&#8217;t wait to get home before jacking off.</p>
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		<title>By: GawainLavers</title>
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		<dc:creator>GawainLavers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 00:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a pretty good rundown of the competing claims by &lt;a href=&quot;http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/02/tesla-new-york-times-trade-shots-over-coverage/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ars Technica&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a pretty good rundown of the competing claims by <a href="http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/02/tesla-new-york-times-trade-shots-over-coverage/" rel="nofollow">Ars Technica</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: steve849</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve849</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do we know the logs are accurate? </description>
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		<title>By: beaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>beaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/that-tesla-data-what-it-says-and-what-it-doesnt/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Broder&#039;s response&lt;/a&gt; is now up at the NYT Wheels blog.  He defends himself pretty well.  Lots of his arguments rest on phone conversations Broder claims he had with Tesla employees during his drive, rather than addressing the GPS data presented by Tesla.  He speculates that some of the discrepancies about the car&#039;s speed during the trip can be explained by different sized tires (??).  Sounds like both sides have an agenda (surprise!), but I don&#039;t see convincing evidence that Broder &quot;faked&quot; his review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/that-tesla-data-what-it-says-and-what-it-doesnt/" rel="nofollow">Broder&#8217;s response</a> is now up at the NYT Wheels blog.  He defends himself pretty well.  Lots of his arguments rest on phone conversations Broder claims he had with Tesla employees during his drive, rather than addressing the GPS data presented by Tesla.  He speculates that some of the discrepancies about the car&#8217;s speed during the trip can be explained by different sized tires (??).  Sounds like both sides have an agenda (surprise!), but I don&#8217;t see convincing evidence that Broder &#8220;faked&#8221; his review.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656496</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Essentially, scarce charging stations allow these companies to lock in customers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Sprint for cars?</description>
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<p>Sprint for cars?</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656475</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not entirely sure why &quot;release the logs&quot; is being treated with so much more respect than &quot;hit &#039;Enhance&#039;&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not entirely sure why &#8220;release the logs&#8221; is being treated with so much more respect than &#8220;hit &#8216;Enhance&#8217;&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656465</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I drove 1050 miles last year.  So I would definitely buy an electric car when I get rid of this one in the year 2093.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I drove 1050 miles last year.  So I would definitely buy an electric car when I get rid of this one in the year 2093.</p>
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		<title>By: AboutTheNumbers</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656407</link>
		<dc:creator>AboutTheNumbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What!  A media outlet biased in it&#039;s reporting?  I can&#039;t believe it.  It&#039;s not true.  No sir, you won&#039;t convince me..... ;) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What!  A media outlet biased in it&#8217;s reporting?  I can&#8217;t believe it.  It&#8217;s not true.  No sir, you won&#8217;t convince me&#8230;.. ;) </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656402</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But he did it for half a mile.  HALF A MILE!!!!!  Oh, the humanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But he did it for half a mile.  HALF A MILE!!!!!  Oh, the humanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656399</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I trust the guy who has only the most tenuous reason to fake his data over the guy whose billion dollar investment is on the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I trust the guy who has only the most tenuous reason to fake his data over the guy whose billion dollar investment is on the line.</p>
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		<title>By: lintman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656394</link>
		<dc:creator>lintman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;d be interested to see the actual log&quot;I&#039;m guessing it very likely wouldn&#039;t do you much good - it&#039;s extremely unlikely to be human-readable in any way.  Most likely, the car&#039;s computer is packing the raw data measurements for its assorted subsystems, along with assorted system state information, periodically to a non-volatile RAM of some sort, perhaps at 60 Hz, or at different rates for different pieces of data.  You&#039;d need to have the telemetry data, plus both a key to the format, and the all the formulas for the calculations to convert the raw data measurements into meaningful numbers.  Tesla likely has one or more software tools to automate the data log analysis.In a way, it would be hard to truly falsify all that low-level data to make it self-consistently appear as an alternate faked scenario when placed under direct scrutiny.  But on the other hand, that level of scrutiny likely won&#039;t be available to the Times or independent observer, so we&#039;re mostly just left with Tesla&#039;s word for it.I&#039;m inclined to believe them, though.  I don&#039;t think they&#039;d have made such specific claims, with charts and graphs and all, if they data didn&#039;t back them up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;d be interested to see the actual log&#8221;I&#8217;m guessing it very likely wouldn&#8217;t do you much good &#8211; it&#8217;s extremely unlikely to be human-readable in any way.  Most likely, the car&#8217;s computer is packing the raw data measurements for its assorted subsystems, along with assorted system state information, periodically to a non-volatile RAM of some sort, perhaps at 60 Hz, or at different rates for different pieces of data.  You&#8217;d need to have the telemetry data, plus both a key to the format, and the all the formulas for the calculations to convert the raw data measurements into meaningful numbers.  Tesla likely has one or more software tools to automate the data log analysis.In a way, it would be hard to truly falsify all that low-level data to make it self-consistently appear as an alternate faked scenario when placed under direct scrutiny.  But on the other hand, that level of scrutiny likely won&#8217;t be available to the Times or independent observer, so we&#8217;re mostly just left with Tesla&#8217;s word for it.I&#8217;m inclined to believe them, though.  I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;d have made such specific claims, with charts and graphs and all, if they data didn&#8217;t back them up.</p>
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		<title>By: GawainLavers</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656392</link>
		<dc:creator>GawainLavers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is the Prius doesn&#039;t have enough weight behind it, which is why I added the scythes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is the Prius doesn&#8217;t have enough weight behind it, which is why I added the scythes.</p>
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		<title>By: GawainLavers</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656389</link>
		<dc:creator>GawainLavers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That nails it!  &quot;Your Prius threatens my manhood!&quot;

If hybrids are the gay marriage of cars, electrics are the Folsom Street Fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That nails it!  &#8220;Your Prius threatens my manhood!&#8221;</p>
<p>If hybrids are the gay marriage of cars, electrics are the Folsom Street Fair.</p>
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		<title>By: TimRowledge</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656380</link>
		<dc:creator>TimRowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;faster fueling than charged solutions &lt;/blockquote&gt;Not necessarily. Li based cells have been shown to be chargeable at ferocious rates given suitable technology. Around 1000C IIRC.  See http://www.technologyreview.com/news/423597/batteries-that-recharge-in-seconds/?mod=chfeatured for some info</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>faster fueling than charged solutions </p></blockquote>
<p>Not necessarily. Li based cells have been shown to be chargeable at ferocious rates given suitable technology. Around 1000C IIRC.  See http://www.technologyreview.com/news/423597/batteries-that-recharge-in-seconds/?mod=chfeatured for some info</p>
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		<title>By: AviSolomon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656379</link>
		<dc:creator>AviSolomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> So is the the credibility of the Grey Lady:(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> So is the the credibility of the Grey Lady:(</p>
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		<title>By: TimRowledge</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656375</link>
		<dc:creator>TimRowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And dino-burners are built from? OK, I know that US made cars are made from slabs of already rusting iron (steel being too exotic and expensive I guess) but advanced civilisations use steels with some fairly exotic alloying materials. And some of them have &#039;electronic&#039; stuff in to be , y&#039;know, more advanced. I hear that uses some exotic stuff too. And lots of them are shipped from Japan or Korea or even from the land of all that is communistical and Red. 

Ceratinly the electricity may have been generated by a coal station. Or maybe it might have come from hydro, or wind, or solar, or geo, or spinning pussies. That&#039;s the nice thing about Watts; they can come from a lot of sources and adding a clean source improves the average cleanliness of all of them.Me, sarcastic? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And dino-burners are built from? OK, I know that US made cars are made from slabs of already rusting iron (steel being too exotic and expensive I guess) but advanced civilisations use steels with some fairly exotic alloying materials. And some of them have &#8216;electronic&#8217; stuff in to be , y&#8217;know, more advanced. I hear that uses some exotic stuff too. And lots of them are shipped from Japan or Korea or even from the land of all that is communistical and Red. </p>
<p>Ceratinly the electricity may have been generated by a coal station. Or maybe it might have come from hydro, or wind, or solar, or geo, or spinning pussies. That&#8217;s the nice thing about Watts; they can come from a lot of sources and adding a clean source improves the average cleanliness of all of them.Me, sarcastic? </p>
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		<title>By: SamSam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/14/tesla-releases-logs-it-says-pr.html#comment-1656363</link>
		<dc:creator>SamSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s per second?</description>
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