“They told me that the loss of battery power when parked overnight could be restored by properly “conditioning” the battery, a half-hour process, which I undertook by sitting in the car with the heat on low, as they instructed. That proved ineffective; the conditioning process actually reduced the range by 24 percent (to 19 miles, from 25 miles).It was also Tesla that told me that an hour of charging (at a lower power level) at a public utility in Norwich, Conn., would give me adequate range to reach the Supercharger 61 miles away, even though the car’s range estimator read 32 miles – because, again, I was told that moderate-speed driving would “restore” the battery power lost overnight. That also proved overly optimistic, as I ran out of power about 14 miles shy of the Milford Supercharger and about five miles from the public charging station in East Haven that I was trying to reach.To reiterate: Tesla personnel told me over the phone that they were able to monitor the state of the battery. It was they who cleared me to leave Norwich after an hour of charging.”

What is unclear about this? Is he just lying? He names names.

What Mr. Coreline suggested is that smearing a journalist is part of “assisting a technological revolution.”  That’s the creepy part.  I support Tesla.  Should I hold my nose and start hating on Broder too?

Also it was not ‘pointless’ to try and kill the battery if he wanted a sensational EV Fail story to help his oil buddies and get that picture of the Tesla on the back of a tow truck.

You also didn’t respond to the fact the the parking lot is brightly lit while Broder claims it was dim. How was Broder not lying about that?

Tesla releasing the raw data would be useless as the NYT does not, in any way, dispute the accuracy of the logs. They dispute the interpretation of the logs. And even as of this morning the NYT  have admitted: “Mr. Broder left himself open to valid criticism by taking what seem to be casual and imprecise notes along the journey” They’re still trying to hold on by their fingernails over there but it’s a start.  This guy has just been caught in so many lies at this point.

Finally, if you look at the responses and likes here, it would seem that the vast majority of people see Broder for the liar that he is.

When he said he was doing 54 he was averaging 60, for example, and when he said he was going 45 he was in the low 50s.  Musk has a right to be annoyed at that.  All of his more serious charges, however, are based on some pretty weak conjectures, ones that require you to ignore Broder’s conversations with various named Tesla employees.  At least one is contradicted by the logs themselves — Broder did in fact turn down the heat when he claimed to have, Musk got the mileage wrong and consequently highlighted the wrong moment in the graph — and another is contradicted by the flat bed truck driver, who verified Broder’s account of the car being unresponsive.

What’s funny about all of this is that my initial reaction to Broder’s review was that his impatience came back to bite him in the ass, and that the whole thing could’ve avoided if he’d given the car more time to charge.

An implication stops short of a claim, in that you kind of want to make a claim, but lack the requisite support and evidence to properly convince yourself, or you are attempting to lead someone into thinking a certain way without overtly saying what you want them to think.

So I don’t *claim* the guy’s a fraud, because, in my fair and balanced way, I have a residual concern that there is some other unknown option out there – like he was drunk, or had a momentary lapse of reason, or got served divorce papers that day, I don’t know.

But it’s not unreasonable to conjecture that he was screwing around with the car to generate a bad score.  The flaw there is that someone, maybe him, maybe not, signed the TESLA agreement about data monitoring.  If he signed it, then it’s reasonable to assume he was screwing around, or something massively distracted him.

Because I don’t have enough information, and it’s not discoverable, to resolve those various threads of thought, I’m left with an implication.

Which would indeed be weaselly, were it not presented in a soft and sugary package of persuasion.

Anyhows, the guy’s article is messing with the rep of one of the technologies that might save us all from poisoning ourselves, and on behalf of my kids, that’s enough for me to get mad enough to imply things about him.

However, I do not agree with you that many of the positions taken by Tesla are “facts”.

Here, specifically, that he drove around in circles pointlessly trying to kill the car before it reached the Supercharging station.

At this point, Tesla has refused Wired’s (and others’) requests to release the raw logs. Tesla has released its interpretation and it hasn’t convinced me, or many others, that it conclusively proves the allegations Musk makes.

Comparing expected behavior, CEO reactions and freedom to use either device is not a bad comparison.  Yes both products serve very different purposes but the point of the comment above is to illustrate that when Apple does “Action A/B/C” it’s seen as bad by some BB’ers but when Tesla behaves in the same manner they are given a pass.  

I think the poster is merely pointing out the possible double standard set forth by some in the BB community for two companies. 

Either way the electric car has a ways to go before it’s genuinely practical for most folks.
The idea is awesome.  Charge car at home in garage.  Drive during day.  Save gas money. Clean up local air quality. Park and charge again that night.  There are so many perks to this design but the implementation, costs, longevity are still a ways off. I feel range extender hyrbrids like the Volt offer the best alternative at this point.  I’m excited to see what the future holds for electric cars.  ^_^

I actually always assumed that car companies would have telemetry on their review cars (selling a car is risky enough without not knowing what reviewers did with it) but it seems to have taken him by surprise.

You seem to be a supporter however. Elon would not be happy with you for saying that his car is useless if not left charging overnight. You do know this, no?

Holy shit are you ever obnoxious.

In answer to your question:
http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/battery-charge-loss-overnight
It’s not always terrible to leave the car uncharged overnight but it is highly recommended that you don’t do that.

Have you ever run out of gas before in an a car with an internal combustion engine?  it’s perfectly possible to do but it’s not recommended because it isn’t very good for the car.  Similarly, you can drive on dirty oil or with a full air filter.  All these things will decrease the performance of the car and may lead to long-term wear or damage — but they nonetheless do not prevent you from otherwise using the car.

Similarly, leaving the car unplugged overnight is not a great idea.  It’s possible and you may get away with it, but it’s not something you should do with an electric car.

Why are you getting so defensive?  You’re apparently the one with a huge hateon for Elon Musk and the Tesla.  I have pretty much no opinion either way, I just found it annoying the way you left like eight huge paragraphs saying the same thing in this obnoxious “gotcha” tone.

Many people are going to want to stop and rest for the night. Testing the feasibility of that is what I want from a review. I do not want a bunch of Tesla junkies absolutely maximizing performance and creating a little club experience that doesn’t mirror real world use.

An EV needs to be treated like a combination car and consume electronic device, as that’s what they are. And if you own one, you learn that pretty quickly :)The biggest thing that I’ve learned as an EV driver is that OEMs need to be much more honest about efficiency and range w/ EVs. There can be much less margin for error and the “refueling” process takes a lot longer than stopping for gas. But there are many benefits. If your daily driving allows, you never have to stop for fuel; you just charge at the various locations you go to. There are an increasing number of charging stations popping up, and I think it’s great.I also applaud Tesla for the SuperCharger network. It’d be awesome if they licensed the tech to other OEMs and you could purchase a membership to the network or something.And at least Tesla has an expected range calculator on their site and in their stores that will show you the impact of temperature, speed, and other variables while driving.