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	<title>Comments on: Drug OD fatalities up for 11th consecutive year; not one was due to&#160;marijuana</title>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/19/drug-od-fatalities-up-for-11th.html#comment-1661920</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GI problems are really common and tend to be worse for frequent users.</description>
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		<title>By: chgoliz</title>
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		<dc:creator>chgoliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!

I assume the bleeding stems from being a derivative of aspirin? Probably the allergies too.

So, I&#039;m trying to pick those two details apart (side effects &amp; pain relief). If ibuprofen doesn&#039;t cause any of the negative side effects for a particular patient, would it then be the preferred OTC pain reliever in almost all cases? I can imagine there are a few outliers who find Tylenol works better than aspirin or ibuprofen, but is it a significant number? As I said, I&#039;ve never met anyone who felt Tylenol (without codeine) worked for them. I know it&#039;s a total waste of dosage for me. Not even the slightest reduction of any type of pain. As far as I can tell, that seems to be the norm, not the exception.

One of the reasons I&#039;m certain I don&#039;t really understand this is because paracetamol seems to be the painkiller of choice in Britain, rather than ibuprofen. Are they so different from people in the US? (short answer: no)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>I assume the bleeding stems from being a derivative of aspirin? Probably the allergies too.</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m trying to pick those two details apart (side effects &amp; pain relief). If ibuprofen doesn&#8217;t cause any of the negative side effects for a particular patient, would it then be the preferred OTC pain reliever in almost all cases? I can imagine there are a few outliers who find Tylenol works better than aspirin or ibuprofen, but is it a significant number? As I said, I&#8217;ve never met anyone who felt Tylenol (without codeine) worked for them. I know it&#8217;s a total waste of dosage for me. Not even the slightest reduction of any type of pain. As far as I can tell, that seems to be the norm, not the exception.</p>
<p>One of the reasons I&#8217;m certain I don&#8217;t really understand this is because paracetamol seems to be the painkiller of choice in Britain, rather than ibuprofen. Are they so different from people in the US? (short answer: no)</p>
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		<title>By: dr2chase</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/19/drug-od-fatalities-up-for-11th.html#comment-1661266</link>
		<dc:creator>dr2chase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a non-anecdotal take on drug decriminalization, I direct you to Portugal&#039;s experience:  http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/drug-decriminalization-portugal-lessons-creating-fair-successful-drug-policies (I am a fan of Gleen Greenwald, but not much of a Libertarian).  Executive summary of the paper - in the real world, decriminalization works much better than the alternatives.

I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ve noticed, but your anti-marijuana remarks have been handily refuted by other commenters.  Why on earth would anyone continue to repeat the &quot;gateway drug&quot; canard, when it is really a &quot;gateway law&quot; that is the problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a non-anecdotal take on drug decriminalization, I direct you to Portugal&#8217;s experience:  <a href="http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/drug-decriminalization-portugal-lessons-creating-fair-successful-drug-policies" rel="nofollow">http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/drug-decriminalization-portugal-lessons-creating-fair-successful-drug-policies</a> (I am a fan of Gleen Greenwald, but not much of a Libertarian).  Executive summary of the paper &#8211; in the real world, decriminalization works much better than the alternatives.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve noticed, but your anti-marijuana remarks have been handily refuted by other commenters.  Why on earth would anyone continue to repeat the &#8220;gateway drug&#8221; canard, when it is really a &#8220;gateway law&#8221; that is the problem?</p>
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		<title>By: marilove</title>
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		<dc:creator>marilove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marijuana doesn&#039;t magnify things for me, though, at all, and trust me, I have experience. :P  But I&#039;m a regular, sometimes daily (depends on how busy/broke I am), and I think that makes a difference, too.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marijuana doesn&#8217;t magnify things for me, though, at all, and trust me, I have experience. :P  But I&#8217;m a regular, sometimes daily (depends on how busy/broke I am), and I think that makes a difference, too.</p>
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		<title>By: marilove</title>
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		<dc:creator>marilove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone is different. Not everyone can drink alcohol and smoke, for instance, without getting the spins, but that doesn&#039;t happen for me at all.

I&#039;ve done my share of &quot;legal heroin&quot; (for medical reasons, I swear! lol!) while smoking green and really, it made no difference, except the next day when I felt really cracked out and the weed totally helped. But, I&#039;m a long-term smoker, which I think makes a big difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone is different. Not everyone can drink alcohol and smoke, for instance, without getting the spins, but that doesn&#8217;t happen for me at all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done my share of &#8220;legal heroin&#8221; (for medical reasons, I swear! lol!) while smoking green and really, it made no difference, except the next day when I felt really cracked out and the weed totally helped. But, I&#8217;m a long-term smoker, which I think makes a big difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am Jack&#039;s inflamed after-school special.</description>
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		<title>By: Rindan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rindan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not shocked by this.  Any form of social acceptability reduces whatever &quot;gateway&quot; influence a drug has.  

If pot smoking is consider as boringly normal as having a beer, no one raises an eyebrow.  Among my friends, in a liberal state where the penalty for possession is a firm finger waggling from the cops, someone pulling out a joint or hitter and offering it up will get a handful of takers, a handful of passes, and not a single raised eyebrow.  It is like offering beer.  Some take, some pass, no one cares either way.  Pull out a heroine needle in the company of my friends or offer up some meth, and folks will respond with the appropriate &quot;holy shit dude&quot;.

Safe drugs should be legal and socially acceptable.  This keeps healthy pressure on people to not do unsafe drugs.  It starves cartels of funding.  It prevents people from developing the (currently accurate) perception that the authorities are blatantly lying to you about the safety and dangers of drugs to further their own selfish and harmful ends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not shocked by this.  Any form of social acceptability reduces whatever &#8220;gateway&#8221; influence a drug has.  </p>
<p>If pot smoking is consider as boringly normal as having a beer, no one raises an eyebrow.  Among my friends, in a liberal state where the penalty for possession is a firm finger waggling from the cops, someone pulling out a joint or hitter and offering it up will get a handful of takers, a handful of passes, and not a single raised eyebrow.  It is like offering beer.  Some take, some pass, no one cares either way.  Pull out a heroine needle in the company of my friends or offer up some meth, and folks will respond with the appropriate &#8221;holy shit dude&#8221;.</p>
<p>Safe drugs should be legal and socially acceptable.  This keeps healthy pressure on people to not do unsafe drugs.  It starves cartels of funding.  It prevents people from developing the (currently accurate) perception that the authorities are blatantly lying to you about the safety and dangers of drugs to further their own selfish and harmful ends.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 21:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people can&#039;t take ibuprofen because of allergies.  It can also increase bleeding.  It causes stomach upsets for a lot of people.  Various analgesics work better or worse for different people and for different kinds of pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people can&#8217;t take ibuprofen because of allergies.  It can also increase bleeding.  It causes stomach upsets for a lot of people.  Various analgesics work better or worse for different people and for different kinds of pain.</p>
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		<title>By: Finnagain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finnagain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 21:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> The Dutch found that cannabis use tends to drop off when people reach their upper twenties and thirties. And, as I said before, they found that it tends to insulate the young from the more serious drugs. But, that&#039;s in Holland where it is easy to find and you don&#039;t have to go talk to some shady pusher who is incentivized to move you along to something addictive. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The Dutch found that cannabis use tends to drop off when people reach their upper twenties and thirties. And, as I said before, they found that it tends to insulate the young from the more serious drugs. But, that&#8217;s in Holland where it is easy to find and you don&#8217;t have to go talk to some shady pusher who is incentivized to move you along to something addictive. </p>
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		<title>By: joe k.</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe k.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, are you writing this directly from a pamphlet you found in the library?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, are you writing this directly from a pamphlet you found in the library?</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 21:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great observations, though the statistics I cite above suggest that even taking this &quot;same dealer&quot; effect into consideration marijuana is not functioning as a gateway drug.  More people are using marijuana but fewer people are moving on to harder drugs.

I think the explanation is that recreational use of marijuana has essentially become socially acceptable despite its illegality whereas there is still a social stigma on use of harder drugs. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great observations, though the statistics I cite above suggest that even taking this &#8220;same dealer&#8221; effect into consideration marijuana is not functioning as a gateway drug.  More people are using marijuana but fewer people are moving on to harder drugs.</p>
<p>I think the explanation is that recreational use of marijuana has essentially become socially acceptable despite its illegality whereas there is still a social stigma on use of harder drugs. </p>
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		<title>By: Rindan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rindan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gate way drugs are in fact a real thing. There is an easy way to stop mj from being a gate way drug.... Make it legal. 

Pot is a wussy drug. The mind altering effects are minimal, and you can&#039;t overdose. Alcohol on the other hand has the potential for extreme mind alteration and you absolutely can overdose, and yet it isn&#039;t a gate way drug. Why? 

The gate way isn&#039;t taking mind altering substances. Nearly every adult does this with alcohol. The gate way is the illegality. The gate way is buying a perfectly harmless drug from a drug dealer. It is pretty easy to buy some pot, the Devils drug, see first hand that you were blatantly lied to and are now persecuted for something that should clearly be legal. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gate way drugs are in fact a real thing. There is an easy way to stop mj from being a gate way drug&#8230;. Make it legal. </p>
<p>Pot is a wussy drug. The mind altering effects are minimal, and you can&#8217;t overdose. Alcohol on the other hand has the potential for extreme mind alteration and you absolutely can overdose, and yet it isn&#8217;t a gate way drug. Why? </p>
<p>The gate way isn&#8217;t taking mind altering substances. Nearly every adult does this with alcohol. The gate way is the illegality. The gate way is buying a perfectly harmless drug from a drug dealer. It is pretty easy to buy some pot, the Devils drug, see first hand that you were blatantly lied to and are now persecuted for something that should clearly be legal. </p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;People die from food allergies all the time. Peanuts aren&#039;t evil.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Except for that creepy top-hat-and-monocle-wearing guy on the Planters can. What a dick, selling out his own people just to make a buck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>People die from food allergies all the time. Peanuts aren&#8217;t evil.</p></blockquote>
<p>Except for that creepy top-hat-and-monocle-wearing guy on the Planters can. What a dick, selling out his own people just to make a buck.</p>
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		<title>By: My Ocean</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Ocean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Uh, the commercials on tv for legal prescription drugs are absolutely terrifying with all the side effects they list. Sometimes the side effects are worse than what the drug is supposed to treat. But they&#039;re legal! Do you wring your hands over those, or only cannabis?

So instead of continuing with the antiquated rhetoric of, &quot;Marihuana is bad, mmmkayyyy?&quot; it would behoove us as a society to take a more enlightened look at cannabis instead of being continually afraid of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Uh, the commercials on tv for legal prescription drugs are absolutely terrifying with all the side effects they list. Sometimes the side effects are worse than what the drug is supposed to treat. But they&#8217;re legal! Do you wring your hands over those, or only cannabis?</p>
<p>So instead of continuing with the antiquated rhetoric of, &#8220;Marihuana is bad, mmmkayyyy?&#8221; it would behoove us as a society to take a more enlightened look at cannabis instead of being continually afraid of it.</p>
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		<title>By: My Ocean</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Ocean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> In my experience, all the people who &quot;upgrade&quot; from caffeine and alcohol to marijuana to harder drugs all breathe oxygen and drink water. Obviously, oxygen and water MUST be regulated to prevent drug overdoses due to their &quot;gateway&quot; status!

In case anyone is confused, as robuluz points out, in this case correlation and causation doesn&#039;t work. I know many a cannabis enthusiast who haven&#039;t gone on to become full-blown junkies. The &quot;gateway drug&quot; idea is quaint, but not solid to base policy on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> In my experience, all the people who &#8220;upgrade&#8221; from caffeine and alcohol to marijuana to harder drugs all breathe oxygen and drink water. Obviously, oxygen and water MUST be regulated to prevent drug overdoses due to their &#8220;gateway&#8221; status!</p>
<p>In case anyone is confused, as robuluz points out, in this case correlation and causation doesn&#8217;t work. I know many a cannabis enthusiast who haven&#8217;t gone on to become full-blown junkies. The &#8220;gateway drug&#8221; idea is quaint, but not solid to base policy on.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Heck, I&#039;ve known a guy who is apparently allergic to marijuana but smokes it anyway because not smoking marijuana is worse to him than the allergy symptoms.  It is a sad state of affairs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Heck, I&#8217;ve known a guy who is apparently allergic to marijuana but smokes it anyway because not smoking marijuana is worse to him than the allergy symptoms.  It is a sad state of affairs.</p>
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		<title>By: My Ocean</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Ocean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meh, any one who uses marijuana probably doesn&#039;t care, anyway. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh, any one who uses marijuana probably doesn&#8217;t care, anyway. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: strangefriend</title>
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		<dc:creator>strangefriend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Yes, there are indeed people who are allergic to marijuana.  Poor SOBs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Yes, there are indeed people who are allergic to marijuana.  Poor SOBs.</p>
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		<title>By: strangefriend</title>
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		<dc:creator>strangefriend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Troll is a nark, man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Troll is a nark, man.</p>
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		<title>By: strangefriend</title>
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		<dc:creator>strangefriend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> As George Carlin said &quot;Mother&#039;s milk is a gateway drug . . .&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> As George Carlin said &#8220;Mother&#8217;s milk is a gateway drug . . .&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: strangefriend</title>
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		<dc:creator>strangefriend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &amp; for US readers, that&#039;s Tylenol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &amp; for US readers, that&#8217;s Tylenol.</p>
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		<title>By: Finnagain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finnagain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &quot;Gateway drugs are a real thing&quot;

No they&#039;re not. Ask the Dutch. Their own government has said that cannabis is what keeps their kids away from harder drugs. A certain percentage will try anything they can get their hands on, of course. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8221;Gateway drugs are a real thing&#8221;</p>
<p>No they&#8217;re not. Ask the Dutch. Their own government has said that cannabis is what keeps their kids away from harder drugs. A certain percentage will try anything they can get their hands on, of course. </p>
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		<title>By: Dlo Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dlo Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sugar is the ultimate gateway drug.</description>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/19/drug-od-fatalities-up-for-11th.html#comment-1660300</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> In my experience, people who &quot;upgrade&quot; from marijuana to harder drugs usually tried caffeine and alcohol before marijuana.  So which is the real gateway drug?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> In my experience, people who &#8220;upgrade&#8221; from marijuana to harder drugs usually tried caffeine and alcohol before marijuana.  So which is the real gateway drug?</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/19/drug-od-fatalities-up-for-11th.html#comment-1660261</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, who is saying &quot;it&#039;s great, everyone should use it&quot;.  I don&#039;t see anyone saying that.

I&#039;m pretty sure most recreational users of marijuana accept that marijuana use is not for everyone and don&#039;t push it on people who aren&#039;t interested.  That&#039;s certainly been my experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, who is saying &#8220;it&#8217;s great, everyone should use it&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t see anyone saying that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure most recreational users of marijuana accept that marijuana use is not for everyone and don&#8217;t push it on people who aren&#8217;t interested.  That&#8217;s certainly been my experience.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/19/drug-od-fatalities-up-for-11th.html#comment-1660253</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what we should do before concluding marijuana is a gateway drug?  Some kind of scientific study that establishes it as a gateway drug.

Suppose we look at drug statistics and see use of &quot;hard drugs&quot; had gone down but use of marijuana had gone up.  Would that be enough to kill this stupid zombie &quot;gateway drug&quot; myth?

Here.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-trends

Highlights:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Marijuana use has increased since 2007. In 2011, there were 18.1 million current (past-month) users—about 7.0 percent of people aged 12 or older—up from 14.4 million (5.8 percent) in 2007.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Use of most drugs other than marijuana has not changed appreciably over the past decade or has declined.
 In 2011, 6.1 million Americans aged 12 or older (or 2.4 percent) had used psycho-therapeutic prescription drugs nonmedically (without a prescription or in a manner or for a purpose not prescribed) in the past month—a decrease from 2010. And 972,000 Americans (0.4 percent) had used hallucinogens (a category that includes Ecstasy and LSD) in the past month—a decline from 2010.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Does the fact that more people are using marijuana and fewer people are using other drugs indicate that use of marijuana does &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; tend to lead to use of other drugs?  Elementary logic would say &quot;yes.&quot;  What do you say, eldritch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what we should do before concluding marijuana is a gateway drug?  Some kind of scientific study that establishes it as a gateway drug.</p>
<p>Suppose we look at drug statistics and see use of &#8220;hard drugs&#8221; had gone down but use of marijuana had gone up.  Would that be enough to kill this stupid zombie &#8220;gateway drug&#8221; myth?</p>
<p>Here.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-trends" rel="nofollow">http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-trends</a></p>
<p>Highlights:</p>
<blockquote><p>Marijuana use has increased since 2007. In 2011, there were 18.1 million current (past-month) users—about 7.0 percent of people aged 12 or older—up from 14.4 million (5.8 percent) in 2007.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Use of most drugs other than marijuana has not changed appreciably over the past decade or has declined.<br />
 In 2011, 6.1 million Americans aged 12 or older (or 2.4 percent) had used psycho-therapeutic prescription drugs nonmedically (without a prescription or in a manner or for a purpose not prescribed) in the past month—a decrease from 2010. And 972,000 Americans (0.4 percent) had used hallucinogens (a category that includes Ecstasy and LSD) in the past month—a decline from 2010.</p></blockquote>
<p>Does the fact that more people are using marijuana and fewer people are using other drugs indicate that use of marijuana does <em>not</em> tend to lead to use of other drugs?  Elementary logic would say &#8220;yes.&#8221;  What do you say, eldritch?</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/19/drug-od-fatalities-up-for-11th.html#comment-1660237</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s not my intent to pedantic&lt;/blockquote&gt;Whether or not it&#039;s your intent it&#039;s exactly what you&#039;re doing.  I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any mystery to what Xeni was arguing in the passage in question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s not my intent to pedantic</p></blockquote>
<p>Whether or not it&#8217;s your intent it&#8217;s exactly what you&#8217;re doing.  I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any mystery to what Xeni was arguing in the passage in question.</p>
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		<title>By: chgoliz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/19/drug-od-fatalities-up-for-11th.html#comment-1660179</link>
		<dc:creator>chgoliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got two questions on the subject, and this seems to be a good spot for one of them.

Under what situation does acetaminophen/paracetamol work better than ibuprofen?

I understand that A/P is considered &quot;safer&quot; (for only some values of safe, obviously) because it is less likely to react with other drugs than ibuprofen is, but I&#039;ve never met anyone who felt it actually WORKED well....i.e., eased their pain sufficiently.

So for people who are careful about dosage, etc., what would be the reason to ever choose A/P over ibuprofen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got two questions on the subject, and this seems to be a good spot for one of them.</p>
<p>Under what situation does acetaminophen/paracetamol work better than ibuprofen?</p>
<p>I understand that A/P is considered &#8220;safer&#8221; (for only some values of safe, obviously) because it is less likely to react with other drugs than ibuprofen is, but I&#8217;ve never met anyone who felt it actually WORKED well&#8230;.i.e., eased their pain sufficiently.</p>
<p>So for people who are careful about dosage, etc., what would be the reason to ever choose A/P over ibuprofen?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Goulding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Goulding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t this just because it&#039;s illegal though? Beer doesn&#039;t lead to hard drugs. Partially, it&#039;s because the people you buy cannabis off will often also sell harder drugs. That doesn&#039;t happen in a pub for example.

&quot;I&#039;m out of cannabis right now but I do have x,y,z&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this just because it&#8217;s illegal though? Beer doesn&#8217;t lead to hard drugs. Partially, it&#8217;s because the people you buy cannabis off will often also sell harder drugs. That doesn&#8217;t happen in a pub for example.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m out of cannabis right now but I do have x,y,z&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: GlyphGryph</title>
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		<dc:creator>GlyphGryph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I started with Peanuts, and then moved on to Chocolate Hazelnut spread and finally roasted chestnuts, any of which could kill a man. It&#039;s a slippery slope, Antinous, a slippery slope indeed. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I started with Peanuts, and then moved on to Chocolate Hazelnut spread and finally roasted chestnuts, any of which could kill a man. It&#8217;s a slippery slope, Antinous, a slippery slope indeed. </p>
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