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	<title>Comments on: Papal candidates link gays to Catholic child&#160;abuse</title>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/20/papal-candidates-link-gays-to.html#comment-1663461</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 04:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a given definition of benefit. One I felt obliged to defend against.

You certainly did little to counter the impression that sparked my tangent.

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<p>You certainly did little to counter the impression that sparked my tangent.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/20/papal-candidates-link-gays-to.html#comment-1663189</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was all off-topic.  I gave you the benefit of the doubt, explained my rationale and left your comment.  And you abused it.  It&#039;s gone now.</description>
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		<title>By: NelC</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/20/papal-candidates-link-gays-to.html#comment-1662957</link>
		<dc:creator>NelC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Mordecai says above.

I&#039;m still so boggled by the widespread gay-extermination meme in African nations that I have trouble producing coherent thoughts about it. But comparison with Nazism seems entirely appropriate. However, a comparison is not the same as labelling. An African homocidal homophobe may be &lt;i&gt;like&lt;/i&gt; a Nazi in certain respects, but they aren&#039;t &lt;i&gt;actually&lt;/i&gt; a Nazi, and labelling them as such won&#039;t help defeat the problem. An African homophobe has his own reasons for being a homophobe, and influence by Nazism is improbable. For one thing, a Nazi would have no truck with blacks. You think it&#039;s hard to get in the local golf club if you&#039;re black, try getting into a Neo-Nazi group if you&#039;re black.

Possibly I&#039;m being old and overly pedantic, and &#039;Nazi&#039; is going the same way as &#039;vandal&#039; and &#039;thug&#039;, and good riddance to it. But at the moment Nazism is still a live thing, still a weak but present force in European politics, and it troubles me to pretend that it&#039;s so dead that it can be used as a verbal bogeyman, a space-filler reached for when you wish to insult someone. There are people still alive who fought and killed actual Nazis, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Mordecai says above.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still so boggled by the widespread gay-extermination meme in African nations that I have trouble producing coherent thoughts about it. But comparison with Nazism seems entirely appropriate. However, a comparison is not the same as labelling. An African homocidal homophobe may be <i>like</i> a Nazi in certain respects, but they aren&#8217;t <i>actually</i> a Nazi, and labelling them as such won&#8217;t help defeat the problem. An African homophobe has his own reasons for being a homophobe, and influence by Nazism is improbable. For one thing, a Nazi would have no truck with blacks. You think it&#8217;s hard to get in the local golf club if you&#8217;re black, try getting into a Neo-Nazi group if you&#8217;re black.</p>
<p>Possibly I&#8217;m being old and overly pedantic, and &#8216;Nazi&#8217; is going the same way as &#8216;vandal&#8217; and &#8216;thug&#8217;, and good riddance to it. But at the moment Nazism is still a live thing, still a weak but present force in European politics, and it troubles me to pretend that it&#8217;s so dead that it can be used as a verbal bogeyman, a space-filler reached for when you wish to insult someone. There are people still alive who fought and killed actual Nazis, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/20/papal-candidates-link-gays-to.html#comment-1662610</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I guess that answers that then.</description>
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		<title>By: Nadreck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/20/papal-candidates-link-gays-to.html#comment-1662450</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadreck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 03:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if Turkson is right and non-African societies tolerating homosexuality is a bad thing how does that excuse or let the RC church off the hook for all this sexual torture of children?  These specific scandals are not about things happening in society in general but in the society called the RC church: which does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; tolerate homosexuality and barely tolerates sexuality at all.  His best defence is to accuse unrelated parties of bad (in his opinion anyway) behaviour to distract attention from his group&#039;s (far worse) boo-boos?

It&#039;s no surprise that groups which suppress sexuality have the worst behaviour in this field.  I&#039;m near the centre of the Ultra-orthodox Jewish community in my town and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a co-incidence that it&#039;s also one of the big centres of sleazy second-story massage parlours.  As Oscar Wilde said &quot;The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. Resist it, and your soul grows sick with longing for the things it has forbidden to itself, with desire for what its monstrous laws have made monstrous and unlawful.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if Turkson is right and non-African societies tolerating homosexuality is a bad thing how does that excuse or let the RC church off the hook for all this sexual torture of children?  These specific scandals are not about things happening in society in general but in the society called the RC church: which does <i>not</i> tolerate homosexuality and barely tolerates sexuality at all.  His best defence is to accuse unrelated parties of bad (in his opinion anyway) behaviour to distract attention from his group&#8217;s (far worse) boo-boos?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no surprise that groups which suppress sexuality have the worst behaviour in this field.  I&#8217;m near the centre of the Ultra-orthodox Jewish community in my town and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a co-incidence that it&#8217;s also one of the big centres of sleazy second-story massage parlours.  As Oscar Wilde said &#8220;The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. Resist it, and your soul grows sick with longing for the things it has forbidden to itself, with desire for what its monstrous laws have made monstrous and unlawful.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: toyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/20/papal-candidates-link-gays-to.html#comment-1662330</link>
		<dc:creator>toyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 01:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most of the RCC&#039;s own problems would be solved with a single pen-stroke: abolish forced celibacy. 

The rule was clearly introduced by people interested in avoiding the establishment of a &quot;holy aristocracy&quot; (for comparison, look at how many Muslims are still killing each other over who was the &quot;right&quot; relative of the Prophet). At some point it stopped to work (see: Borgia), and it&#039;s now counter-productive, a magnet for weirdos and a blackmailing tool (a lot of people inside the RCC nowadays are not-really-in-the-closet gays, and when they are on the wrong side of an argument involving power, threats will be made).

Allowing priests to have a normal life would rekindle the faith among European followers, generating a watershed moment, and go a long way toward re-establishing trust in the organization. 

I say this as a totally-atheist, non-baptised guy married to a Catholic in a Catholic ceremony. My loved one deserves better defenders of her faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most of the RCC&#8217;s own problems would be solved with a single pen-stroke: abolish forced celibacy. </p>
<p>The rule was clearly introduced by people interested in avoiding the establishment of a &#8220;holy aristocracy&#8221; (for comparison, look at how many Muslims are still killing each other over who was the &#8220;right&#8221; relative of the Prophet). At some point it stopped to work (see: Borgia), and it&#8217;s now counter-productive, a magnet for weirdos and a blackmailing tool (a lot of people inside the RCC nowadays are not-really-in-the-closet gays, and when they are on the wrong side of an argument involving power, threats will be made).</p>
<p>Allowing priests to have a normal life would rekindle the faith among European followers, generating a watershed moment, and go a long way toward re-establishing trust in the organization. </p>
<p>I say this as a totally-atheist, non-baptised guy married to a Catholic in a Catholic ceremony. My loved one deserves better defenders of her faith.</p>
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		<title>By: toyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/20/papal-candidates-link-gays-to.html#comment-1662315</link>
		<dc:creator>toyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 01:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That didn&#039;t take long, did it? Only 350 years since Newton.

&quot;Dude, I&#039;ve found out this stuff is a bit different from what we thought.&quot;

&quot;YOU&#039;RE WRONG! Stop talking about this bullshit or I&#039;ll kill you!&quot;

&quot;Ok, ok, but sooner or later you&#039;ll see what I mean.&quot;

... 100 years later ...

&quot;Dude, we&#039;ve totally found out how this whole universe thing is moving. It&#039;s nothing like you thought.&quot;

&quot;I&#039;m not listening! Lalalalalala...&quot;

&quot;Why am I talking to you, again?&quot;

... another 300 years later...

&quot;Dude, we are going to Mars! One day we&#039;ll get to some supermassive black hole that can send us back in time!&quot;

&quot;Oh, so the Sun doesn&#039;t rotate around the Earth, does it? I think we owe that guy an apology, after all. But please don&#039;t tell me anything about that evolution crap, I am many things but not the son of a monkey.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That didn&#8217;t take long, did it? Only 350 years since Newton.</p>
<p>&#8220;Dude, I&#8217;ve found out this stuff is a bit different from what we thought.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;YOU&#8217;RE WRONG! Stop talking about this bullshit or I&#8217;ll kill you!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Ok, ok, but sooner or later you&#8217;ll see what I mean.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; 100 years later &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Dude, we&#8217;ve totally found out how this whole universe thing is moving. It&#8217;s nothing like you thought.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not listening! Lalalalalala&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Why am I talking to you, again?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; another 300 years later&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Dude, we are going to Mars! One day we&#8217;ll get to some supermassive black hole that can send us back in time!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, so the Sun doesn&#8217;t rotate around the Earth, does it? I think we owe that guy an apology, after all. But please don&#8217;t tell me anything about that evolution crap, I am many things but not the son of a monkey.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: toyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>toyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 01:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harsh. I agree that prayer as invocation of supernatural powers is completely worthless; but as a moment of self-reflection/meditation and self-empowerment towards life, it&#039;s pretty powerful stuff. Which is why these hokey-pokey, white-robey old men keep hanging on to it as an instrument of power over masses of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harsh. I agree that prayer as invocation of supernatural powers is completely worthless; but as a moment of self-reflection/meditation and self-empowerment towards life, it&#8217;s pretty powerful stuff. Which is why these hokey-pokey, white-robey old men keep hanging on to it as an instrument of power over masses of people.</p>
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		<title>By: toyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/20/papal-candidates-link-gays-to.html#comment-1662308</link>
		<dc:creator>toyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 01:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah well, a certain country doesn&#039;t really get the option, sadly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah well, a certain country doesn&#8217;t really get the option, sadly.</p>
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		<title>By: toyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>toyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 01:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think US Presidential politics post-2003 are a better fit here, and the sad reality is: the harder insane policies are pushed as dogma, the more people will follow them, as long as you can demonstrate that you can actually execute on them. It&#039;s a vicious spiral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think US Presidential politics post-2003 are a better fit here, and the sad reality is: the harder insane policies are pushed as dogma, the more people will follow them, as long as you can demonstrate that you can actually execute on them. It&#8217;s a vicious spiral.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/20/papal-candidates-link-gays-to.html#comment-1662212</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 00:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that South America really qualifies as Third World anymore.  There are certainly areas of poverty, but there are mostly developed economies, stable governments and urbane cultures these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that South America really qualifies as Third World anymore.  There are certainly areas of poverty, but there are mostly developed economies, stable governments and urbane cultures these days.</p>
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		<title>By: toyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/20/papal-candidates-link-gays-to.html#comment-1662113</link>
		<dc:creator>toyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 22:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obligatory Indy meme. https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4486826496/hA5C93F8E/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obligatory Indy meme. https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4486826496/hA5C93F8E/</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/20/papal-candidates-link-gays-to.html#comment-1662064</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 22:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sort of like how Hitler reformed Europe.</description>
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		<title>By: UnderachievingSheep</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/20/papal-candidates-link-gays-to.html#comment-1662010</link>
		<dc:creator>UnderachievingSheep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eh, even the Third World has been split. Argentina has gay marriage (and one of the most progressive gender identity laws in the world); Brazil and Uruguay&#039;s parliaments are debating either gay marriage or, at the very least, civil unions. Uruguay approved abortion up to the second trimester and the third in case of health issues for the mother. So they will have troubles reinstituting the Inquisition any time soon... Moreover, in many of these places the influence of the Catholic Church is only nominal. Their complicity in murderous dictatorships till the 90s or so was a nail in their coffin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eh, even the Third World has been split. Argentina has gay marriage (and one of the most progressive gender identity laws in the world); Brazil and Uruguay&#8217;s parliaments are debating either gay marriage or, at the very least, civil unions. Uruguay approved abortion up to the second trimester and the third in case of health issues for the mother. So they will have troubles reinstituting the Inquisition any time soon&#8230; Moreover, in many of these places the influence of the Catholic Church is only nominal. Their complicity in murderous dictatorships till the 90s or so was a nail in their coffin.</p>
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		<title>By: Mordicai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mordicai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because--- the scary thing is-- I am not sure a manifestly insane pope would actually create a decline in the Church&#039;s influence.  Sadly. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because&#8212; the scary thing is&#8211; I am not sure a manifestly insane pope would actually create a decline in the Church&#8217;s influence.  Sadly. </p>
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		<title>By: Mordicai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mordicai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it was a word of caution of Western people trying to cram everything into the filter of European history. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was a word of caution of Western people trying to cram everything into the filter of European history. </p>
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		<title>By: Mordicai</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/20/papal-candidates-link-gays-to.html#comment-1661609</link>
		<dc:creator>Mordicai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &quot;Which of these bad people should be in charge of this bad organization to do bad things?&quot; is a real &quot;the only way to win is not to play&quot; sort of scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8221;Which of these bad people should be in charge of this bad organization to do bad things?&#8221; is a real &#8220;the only way to win is not to play&#8221; sort of scenario.</p>
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		<title>By: James Penrose</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/20/papal-candidates-link-gays-to.html#comment-1661597</link>
		<dc:creator>James Penrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I think nothing would be better for helping end the nonsense that is called the Church than to elect someone so &quot;conservative&quot; as to make the current Pope look like Arlo Guthrie.  :)

That Ghanaian guy sounds just right for that sort of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I think nothing would be better for helping end the nonsense that is called the Church than to elect someone so &#8220;conservative&#8221; as to make the current Pope look like Arlo Guthrie.  :)</p>
<p>That Ghanaian guy sounds just right for that sort of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Popke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Popke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I would love to watch the Catholic church collapse under the weight of its own bullshit, as an ex-Catholic I have to say you&#039;ve got it all wrong. They would LOVE to see a non-white pope. Let me give you peek behind the veil of my parents&#039; (and others&#039;) lunacy:

You see, the Catholic church has basically convinced its followers that secularism is a great evil and secular governments have created secular societies in the West that are causing great numbers of souls to be lost to evil and decadence. The decline of Catholicism in the West is a source of despair for Catholics while the rise of Catholicism (and Christianity in general regardless of denomination, if you can believe that) in emerging countries is a source of great hope.

The believers in the West convince themselves that their societies are faltering, crumbling, failing. They see themselves as the last bulwarks of civilization while the heathens tear down the pillars of society. This is why they don&#039;t even question the logic of people like Rush Limbaugh when he says Obama is anti-christian because he doesn&#039;t like an organization in Africa called the Lord&#039;s Republican Army (because they don&#039;t know how horrible the LRA is, they only see the word &quot;Lord&quot;). The growth of Christianity outside of the US is a shining beacon of hope to these people who casually ignore the atrocities and barbarism of third-world christianity.

They would love an African pope. They&#039;d see him as a harbinger of &quot;progress&quot; being brought back to the West from the formerly uncivilized third world. To them it&#039;s like Jesus coming back from the desert after 40 days. Not only that, but his regressive views would only make them feel better about their own views, which they&#039;re tired of having constantly challenged by their Western neighbors. He would be a great comfort to them by reassuring them there were right all along.

Lastly, and this is the racist part, they would hold him up as a token of their own inclusiveness. &quot;See, we can have an Obama too. We&#039;re not racists.&quot; A black pope would strengthen the church, not weaken it. One only has to look at the popularity of Desmond Tutu throughout the Catholic church to see this. Be careful what you wish for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I would love to watch the Catholic church collapse under the weight of its own bullshit, as an ex-Catholic I have to say you&#8217;ve got it all wrong. They would LOVE to see a non-white pope. Let me give you peek behind the veil of my parents&#8217; (and others&#8217;) lunacy:</p>
<p>You see, the Catholic church has basically convinced its followers that secularism is a great evil and secular governments have created secular societies in the West that are causing great numbers of souls to be lost to evil and decadence. The decline of Catholicism in the West is a source of despair for Catholics while the rise of Catholicism (and Christianity in general regardless of denomination, if you can believe that) in emerging countries is a source of great hope.</p>
<p>The believers in the West convince themselves that their societies are faltering, crumbling, failing. They see themselves as the last bulwarks of civilization while the heathens tear down the pillars of society. This is why they don&#8217;t even question the logic of people like Rush Limbaugh when he says Obama is anti-christian because he doesn&#8217;t like an organization in Africa called the Lord&#8217;s Republican Army (because they don&#8217;t know how horrible the LRA is, they only see the word &#8220;Lord&#8221;). The growth of Christianity outside of the US is a shining beacon of hope to these people who casually ignore the atrocities and barbarism of third-world christianity.</p>
<p>They would love an African pope. They&#8217;d see him as a harbinger of &#8220;progress&#8221; being brought back to the West from the formerly uncivilized third world. To them it&#8217;s like Jesus coming back from the desert after 40 days. Not only that, but his regressive views would only make them feel better about their own views, which they&#8217;re tired of having constantly challenged by their Western neighbors. He would be a great comfort to them by reassuring them there were right all along.</p>
<p>Lastly, and this is the racist part, they would hold him up as a token of their own inclusiveness. &#8220;See, we can have an Obama too. We&#8217;re not racists.&#8221; A black pope would strengthen the church, not weaken it. One only has to look at the popularity of Desmond Tutu throughout the Catholic church to see this. Be careful what you wish for.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Lenethen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Lenethen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL!

OK, I might have to start a &quot;Pope Pool&quot; for fun. Though I&#039;m pretty sure gambling is a sin. Oh well, not my problem.

Go Canada Pope!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL!</p>
<p>OK, I might have to start a &#8220;Pope Pool&#8221; for fun. Though I&#8217;m pretty sure gambling is a sin. Oh well, not my problem.</p>
<p>Go Canada Pope!</p>
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		<title>By: oasisob1</title>
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		<dc:creator>oasisob1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Send out the children, because what I&#039;m going to say NEXT is PG. Fisting though, kids should know about that, which is why I already described it for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Send out the children, because what I&#8217;m going to say NEXT is PG. Fisting though, kids should know about that, which is why I already described it for them.</p>
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		<title>By: oasisob1</title>
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		<dc:creator>oasisob1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard that the Pope declared any Catholic reading or commenting on BoingBoing (but not BoingBoib) will be excommunicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard that the Pope declared any Catholic reading or commenting on BoingBoing (but not BoingBoib) will be excommunicated.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps, but, more importantly, like the higher-ups in the Catholic Church, Bearpaw01 is going after &lt;i&gt;the wrong target&lt;/i&gt;.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps, but, more importantly, like the higher-ups in the Catholic Church, Bearpaw01 is going after <i>the wrong target</i>.  </p>
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		<title>By: jhavatar</title>
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		<dc:creator>jhavatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obligatory &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXQbZDwV0w&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;eat da poo poo&lt;/a&gt; (youtube)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obligatory <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXQbZDwV0w" rel="nofollow">eat da poo poo</a> (youtube)</p>
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		<title>By: Luther Blissett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luther Blissett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just BTW, only recently, a historian published a book about the &#039;Nuns of Sant&#039;Ambrogio&#039;, where sexual abuse of fellow nuns and even attempted murder happend in the 19th century. All was hushed up until now, but someone who was actively (also, sexually) involved (literally!) wrote the dogma about the infallability of the pope later. And a lot of other canonical law. I can just provide a &lt;a href=&quot;http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;js=n&amp;prev=_t&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;eotf=1&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sueddeutsche.de%2Fkultur%2Fskandaloeses-kirchenbuch-tiefe-einblick-in-die-welt-der-scheinheiligen-1.1601830&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gtranslate link&lt;/a&gt; to a newspaper review recently published, which was eye-bulging. 

The scholar who wrote that book (Hubert Wolf) is absolutely not in the line of Dan Brown. He&#039;s a renowned specialist in research on the Inquisition (today:Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith), and has access to the Vatican&#039;s archives. And related to the minithread up in the comments about &#039;Nazis &amp; Church&#039;: if you&#039;ve got access to the Harvard Theological Review (paywall...), see the &lt;a href=&quot;http://dx.doi.org/10.1017/S0017816011000551&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;review of his book about the relations of Nazi Germany to the Vatican&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just BTW, only recently, a historian published a book about the &#8216;Nuns of Sant&#8217;Ambrogio&#8217;, where sexual abuse of fellow nuns and even attempted murder happend in the 19th century. All was hushed up until now, but someone who was actively (also, sexually) involved (literally!) wrote the dogma about the infallability of the pope later. And a lot of other canonical law. I can just provide a <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;js=n&amp;prev=_t&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;eotf=1&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sueddeutsche.de%2Fkultur%2Fskandaloeses-kirchenbuch-tiefe-einblick-in-die-welt-der-scheinheiligen-1.1601830" rel="nofollow">gtranslate link</a> to a newspaper review recently published, which was eye-bulging. </p>
<p>The scholar who wrote that book (Hubert Wolf) is absolutely not in the line of Dan Brown. He&#8217;s a renowned specialist in research on the Inquisition (today:Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith), and has access to the Vatican&#8217;s archives. And related to the minithread up in the comments about &#8216;Nazis &amp; Church&#8217;: if you&#8217;ve got access to the Harvard Theological Review (paywall&#8230;), see the <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1017/S0017816011000551" rel="nofollow">review of his book about the relations of Nazi Germany to the Vatican</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Luther Blissett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luther Blissett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antinous, I think Slartibartfatsdomino is right. And, considering this, I think NeIC is pretty damn right. The Nationalsozialismus as an ideology is a very European thing. Fascism, among others, isn&#039;t. (At least, in its wider form. Ok, we invented it in Italy, in a way, but other regions came up with the same idea. Independently. :sigh:)  

By the way, sure as the sun rises, there will be people blaming &quot;tribal&quot; culture and &quot;underdeveloped ethics&quot; for abominable views of African clerics. Racism is at the doorstep, ready to knock. (Discl.: did not read further down yet, might even be the case already?)

It&#039;s going to be very difficult not to pull a Goodwin one direction or the other when someone from Africa gets to be elected in the Conclave. This is not going to help the discussion &#039;bout how to get rid of these narratives called &quot;religion&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antinous, I think Slartibartfatsdomino is right. And, considering this, I think NeIC is pretty damn right. The Nationalsozialismus as an ideology is a very European thing. Fascism, among others, isn&#8217;t. (At least, in its wider form. Ok, we invented it in Italy, in a way, but other regions came up with the same idea. Independently. :sigh:)  </p>
<p>By the way, sure as the sun rises, there will be people blaming &#8220;tribal&#8221; culture and &#8220;underdeveloped ethics&#8221; for abominable views of African clerics. Racism is at the doorstep, ready to knock. (Discl.: did not read further down yet, might even be the case already?)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to be very difficult not to pull a Goodwin one direction or the other when someone from Africa gets to be elected in the Conclave. This is not going to help the discussion &#8217;bout how to get rid of these narratives called &#8220;religion&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: kroeghe</title>
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		<dc:creator>kroeghe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, remember the Borgias? One would hope religious types learned something since then, that humanity have grown somehow, and things like that could never happen again. I would not bet my life on this, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, remember the Borgias? One would hope religious types learned something since then, that humanity have grown somehow, and things like that could never happen again. I would not bet my life on this, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe because praying is a &lt;b&gt;total waste of time&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
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		<title>By: Leeroy Berlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leeroy Berlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 06:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still calling for Boom-Boom Mancini</description>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So bring it.

How rancid does this festering, suppurating boil need to grow before folks realise it&#039;s a blemish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So bring it.</p>
<p>How rancid does this festering, suppurating boil need to grow before folks realise it&#8217;s a blemish?</p>
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