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	<title>Comments on: Corporations are people, so the city of Seattle can&#039;t have an opt-out policy for spammy phonebooks no one&#160;wants</title>
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		<title>By: Al_Packer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1664162</link>
		<dc:creator>Al_Packer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you noticed that the type size in the white pages of these phone books is so small that a person needs a magnifying glass to read the listings?  It&#039;s a pretty straight shot from the front step to the recycling bin for these things at my house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you noticed that the type size in the white pages of these phone books is so small that a person needs a magnifying glass to read the listings?  It&#8217;s a pretty straight shot from the front step to the recycling bin for these things at my house.</p>
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		<title>By: elusis</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1663881</link>
		<dc:creator>elusis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2013 06:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like an ideal opportunity to use all those &quot;return postage paid&quot; envelopes sent to me by other snail mail spammers, largely Citibank and Comcast... Tape return envelope with return postage seal to the front, drop in USPS mailbox, get a few hundred other locals to do the same via Facebook or Change.org, wait for the howls from the megacorps?? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like an ideal opportunity to use all those &#8220;return postage paid&#8221; envelopes sent to me by other snail mail spammers, largely Citibank and Comcast&#8230; Tape return envelope with return postage seal to the front, drop in USPS mailbox, get a few hundred other locals to do the same via Facebook or Change.org, wait for the howls from the megacorps?? </p>
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		<title>By: Jen Onymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1663811</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Onymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 23:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have this shit in my neighborhood also; they wind up as a snow-sodden lump in our foyer usually, which is sad, because then you can&#039;t even burn the damn things at a bonfire or something. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have this shit in my neighborhood also; they wind up as a snow-sodden lump in our foyer usually, which is sad, because then you can&#8217;t even burn the damn things at a bonfire or something. </p>
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		<title>By: gelos</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1663681</link>
		<dc:creator>gelos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m probably a little late to the discussion but on a whim I skimmed through the decision here:  http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=In%20FCO%2020121015116.xml&amp;docbase=CSLWAR3-2007-CURR

Boy am I glad I had my coffee. IANAL and am not used to reading through things like this.
It seems like nnu-16121 has it correct.

It seems that the city could do something like this if they did it in a different way. These things are always more complicated than it seems.

The first part of the decision has to do with determing what kind of speech it is. But is was this part at the very end that seemed to be the most relevant:

Such a regulation &quot;is valid only if it is the least restrictive means available to further a compelling government interest.&quot;
the City advanced three governmental interests: (1) waste reduction, (2) resident privacy, and (3) cost recovery.We need not determine whether any or all of these interests are &quot;compelling&quot;; even if they are, the Ordinance is not the least restrictive means available to further them. One clear alternative is for the City to support the Yellow Pages Companies&#039; own private opt-out programs. With proper implementation, the private opt-out programs could achieve precisely the same goals as the City&#039;s registry. Even fining the Yellow Pages Companies for a lack of compliance with their own opt-out terms would be less restrictive than compelling them to fund and advertise the City&#039;s program.

4. We do not hold that implementation of any of these alternatives would necessarily be lawful. They simply demonstrate that the regulations imposed by the Ordinance were not the least restrictive means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m probably a little late to the discussion but on a whim I skimmed through the decision here:  <a href="http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=In%20FCO%2020121015116.xml&#038;docbase=CSLWAR3-2007-CURR" rel="nofollow">http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=In%20FCO%2020121015116.xml&#038;docbase=CSLWAR3-2007-CURR</a></p>
<p>Boy am I glad I had my coffee. IANAL and am not used to reading through things like this.<br />
It seems like nnu-16121 has it correct.</p>
<p>It seems that the city could do something like this if they did it in a different way. These things are always more complicated than it seems.</p>
<p>The first part of the decision has to do with determing what kind of speech it is. But is was this part at the very end that seemed to be the most relevant:</p>
<p>Such a regulation &#8220;is valid only if it is the least restrictive means available to further a compelling government interest.&#8221;<br />
the City advanced three governmental interests: (1) waste reduction, (2) resident privacy, and (3) cost recovery.We need not determine whether any or all of these interests are &#8220;compelling&#8221;; even if they are, the Ordinance is not the least restrictive means available to further them. One clear alternative is for the City to support the Yellow Pages Companies&#8217; own private opt-out programs. With proper implementation, the private opt-out programs could achieve precisely the same goals as the City&#8217;s registry. Even fining the Yellow Pages Companies for a lack of compliance with their own opt-out terms would be less restrictive than compelling them to fund and advertise the City&#8217;s program.</p>
<p>4. We do not hold that implementation of any of these alternatives would necessarily be lawful. They simply demonstrate that the regulations imposed by the Ordinance were not the least restrictive means.</p>
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		<title>By: niktemadur</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1663606</link>
		<dc:creator>niktemadur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 11:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of a Mr Show sketch, &quot;Coupon (The Movie)&quot; becomes a box officer disaster, so the studio sues the entire country and wins, then the entire population has to pay and sit through the whole fucking film.  The tag line becomes - &quot;Coupon (The Movie):  It&#039;s Mandatory!&quot;.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBIDPIo92Q</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of a Mr Show sketch, &#8220;Coupon (The Movie)&#8221; becomes a box officer disaster, so the studio sues the entire country and wins, then the entire population has to pay and sit through the whole fucking film.  The tag line becomes &#8211; &#8220;Coupon (The Movie):  It&#8217;s Mandatory!&#8221;.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBIDPIo92Q" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBIDPIo92Q</a></p>
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		<title>By: ImmortalYawn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1663507</link>
		<dc:creator>ImmortalYawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 06:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe the city can organize some collection of the unwanted books and some how profit from the masses of re-useable paper? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe the city can organize some collection of the unwanted books and some how profit from the masses of re-useable paper? </p>
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		<title>By: foobar</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1663463</link>
		<dc:creator>foobar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 04:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your order of 400 phone books. They will be delivered on a pallet to your foyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your order of 400 phone books. They will be delivered on a pallet to your foyer.</p>
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		<title>By: NoneofYourPenguins</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1663076</link>
		<dc:creator>NoneofYourPenguins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But a corporation is a legal fiction--a thing made by people.  Additionally, the longevity of a corporation (since the thing has been allowed to outlive its author) makes the idea of personhood that much more problematic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But a corporation is a legal fiction&#8211;a thing made by people.  Additionally, the longevity of a corporation (since the thing has been allowed to outlive its author) makes the idea of personhood that much more problematic.</p>
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		<title>By: Maarten Sneep</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1662956</link>
		<dc:creator>Maarten Sneep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So dump the lot at the biggest advertiser in that &quot;phonebook&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So dump the lot at the biggest advertiser in that &#8220;phonebook&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1662904</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I think for-profit advertisers should have to pay much heavier postage/fees in order to cut back on this stuff. I imagine these &quot;phone&quot; book dumpers would change their habits as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I think for-profit advertisers should have to pay much heavier postage/fees in order to cut back on this stuff. I imagine these &#8220;phone&#8221; book dumpers would change their habits as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1662898</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re confused about what a &quot;ban&quot; is. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re confused about what a &#8220;ban&#8221; is. </p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1662895</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Like a million court decisions over the years, it&#039;s full of shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Like a million court decisions over the years, it&#8217;s full of shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1662893</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> They should be fined for dumping as well. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> They should be fined for dumping as well. </p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1662881</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As annoying as the phonebook issue is, we&#039;re better off with absurdly strong and overbroad speech protections.&lt;/i&gt;

There&#039;s no evidence of that. It&#039;s laughable to call somebody dumping a book full of for-profit advertisements &quot;speech&quot;. If this was a political group passing out fliers with ideas etc. you may have a stronger argument. This is garbage, and its being put on our property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As annoying as the phonebook issue is, we&#8217;re better off with absurdly strong and overbroad speech protections.</i></p>
<p>There&#8217;s no evidence of that. It&#8217;s laughable to call somebody dumping a book full of for-profit advertisements &#8220;speech&#8221;. If this was a political group passing out fliers with ideas etc. you may have a stronger argument. This is garbage, and its being put on our property.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1662875</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Something like this is what I&#039;d like to see done in Chicago, charge for permits etc. If we have to get permits to protest, than surely these shitheads that litter our porches with unwanted phone books, restaurant menus, circulars, roofer ads etc. etc. can pay some good fees to offset the mess they make. Seriously, this stuff is the number one source of litter on my block and it&#039;s &quot;for profit&quot;. It always blows away (etc. etc.) before residents can deal with it. Some residents don&#039;t care, some houses are vacant and so on. Just a scourge. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Something like this is what I&#8217;d like to see done in Chicago, charge for permits etc. If we have to get permits to protest, than surely these shitheads that litter our porches with unwanted phone books, restaurant menus, circulars, roofer ads etc. etc. can pay some good fees to offset the mess they make. Seriously, this stuff is the number one source of litter on my block and it&#8217;s &#8220;for profit&#8221;. It always blows away (etc. etc.) before residents can deal with it. Some residents don&#8217;t care, some houses are vacant and so on. Just a scourge. </p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1662863</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Thanks to a few right wing puppets on The Supreme Court, no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Thanks to a few right wing puppets on The Supreme Court, no.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1662867</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> The thrill is gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> The thrill is gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Aurvondel</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1662820</link>
		<dc:creator>Aurvondel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only reason &quot;corporate personhood&quot; is relevant here is that it allows an organization to be a party to a lawsuit. Without corporate personhood, corporations would not be parties in a civil action in courts. They would not be able to sue, and you would not be able to sue them. They would not be able to own property, pay taxes, enter contracts, or be liable for any damages or conduct.

The term &quot;corporate&quot; in &quot;corporate personhood&quot; applies to a lot more than just for-profit incorporated businesses: it means towns, cities, counties, churches, partnerships, non-profit organizations, Boing Boing itself (part of Happy Mutant LLC), unions, colleges, trusts, and other entities. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason &#8220;corporate personhood&#8221; is relevant here is that it allows an organization to be a party to a lawsuit. Without corporate personhood, corporations would not be parties in a civil action in courts. They would not be able to sue, and you would not be able to sue them. They would not be able to own property, pay taxes, enter contracts, or be liable for any damages or conduct.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;corporate&#8221; in &#8220;corporate personhood&#8221; applies to a lot more than just for-profit incorporated businesses: it means towns, cities, counties, churches, partnerships, non-profit organizations, Boing Boing itself (part of Happy Mutant LLC), unions, colleges, trusts, and other entities. </p>
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		<title>By: Antonio Carrasco</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1662811</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio Carrasco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> yeah but that requires effort and planning to solve a problem that no one should have to deal with. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> yeah but that requires effort and planning to solve a problem that no one should have to deal with. </p>
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		<title>By: nnu-16121</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1662806</link>
		<dc:creator>nnu-16121</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, I&#039;m on your side, I just want people to argue with the facts of the case rather than making them up. Example: It takes 97-some comments before someone points out that the post headline is a red herring. Not a good day for comment section SNR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, I&#8217;m on your side, I just want people to argue with the facts of the case rather than making them up. Example: It takes 97-some comments before someone points out that the post headline is a red herring. Not a good day for comment section SNR.</p>
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		<title>By: LordInsidious</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1662773</link>
		<dc:creator>LordInsidious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This should be the acceptable reaction to unwanted phone books, flyers, newspapers etc. return en masse to the producer. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should be the acceptable reaction to unwanted phone books, flyers, newspapers etc. return en masse to the producer. </p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1662751</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Dude, are you seriously shilling for phone book companies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Dude, are you seriously shilling for phone book companies?</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1662748</link>
		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, looks like Xof did read the court decision and thinks it was poorly argued.  You do realize appellate court judges aren&#039;t omnipotent beings, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, looks like Xof did read the court decision and thinks it was poorly argued.  You do realize appellate court judges aren&#8217;t omnipotent beings, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Rice</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/02/21/corporations-are-people-so-th.html#comment-1662728</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A widespread and coordinated campaign to complain about this littering might force the city&#039;s hand, or might result in such bad PR for the litterers that they had to moderate their position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A widespread and coordinated campaign to complain about this littering might force the city&#8217;s hand, or might result in such bad PR for the litterers that they had to moderate their position.</p>
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		<title>By: fredges</title>
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		<dc:creator>fredges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love getting them! They are the perfect &quot;BOYCOTT THESE BUSINESSES&quot; list! I cheerfully check them off as the businesses listed fail and shutter their windows. Doot-dee-doo! Then I use the paper to wipe my ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love getting them! They are the perfect &#8220;BOYCOTT THESE BUSINESSES&#8221; list! I cheerfully check them off as the businesses listed fail and shutter their windows. Doot-dee-doo! Then I use the paper to wipe my ass.</p>
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		<title>By: nnu-16121</title>
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		<dc:creator>nnu-16121</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t want the phone book? Opt out. Dex publishing had and has an opt out system and presented evidence to the city and in court that it had an extremely low error rate. 

The town insisted that they use the towns opt-out system, that they paid for the town&#039;s opt out system which duplicated their own, and the town exempted publishers of some phone books that had a different ratio of advertisers to &quot;content&quot;

The court opinion said that insisting publishers had an opt out and fining them for errors (delivery in spite of opt out) would have been just fine. The drawing the line &quot;well, their content is good enough, but your content is not&quot; is where the 1st amendment question comes in. 

The court never said &quot;you can&#039;t ban the distribution of these books&quot;, because the city never had a blanket ban. The court said &quot;you can&#039;t pick and choose who gets a ban based upon the content of their publication&quot;.

DEX MEDIA WEST, INC. v. CITY OF SEATTLE696 F.3d 952 (2012)United States Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit.

Read it. It is for some reason much more informed about actual content of the court opinion than any of the commentary I&#039;ve read elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t want the phone book? Opt out. Dex publishing had and has an opt out system and presented evidence to the city and in court that it had an extremely low error rate. </p>
<p>The town insisted that they use the towns opt-out system, that they paid for the town&#8217;s opt out system which duplicated their own, and the town exempted publishers of some phone books that had a different ratio of advertisers to &#8220;content&#8221;</p>
<p>The court opinion said that insisting publishers had an opt out and fining them for errors (delivery in spite of opt out) would have been just fine. The drawing the line &#8220;well, their content is good enough, but your content is not&#8221; is where the 1st amendment question comes in. </p>
<p>The court never said &#8220;you can&#8217;t ban the distribution of these books&#8221;, because the city never had a blanket ban. The court said &#8220;you can&#8217;t pick and choose who gets a ban based upon the content of their publication&#8221;.</p>
<p>DEX MEDIA WEST, INC. v. CITY OF SEATTLE696 F.3d 952 (2012)United States Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit.</p>
<p>Read it. It is for some reason much more informed about actual content of the court opinion than any of the commentary I&#8217;ve read elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: nnu-16121</title>
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		<dc:creator>nnu-16121</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like someone didn&#039;t read the court decision </description>
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		<title>By: Supernumerary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Supernumerary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They pay through the nose -- or at least get billed. I worked at a phonebook company for quite awhile, and the amount it costs to advertise is staggering. Of course, the number of advertisers who didn&#039;t pay their invoices was also pretty high, with the worst offenders almost always being law firms (five to six-digit accrued costs).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They pay through the nose &#8212; or at least get billed. I worked at a phonebook company for quite awhile, and the amount it costs to advertise is staggering. Of course, the number of advertisers who didn&#8217;t pay their invoices was also pretty high, with the worst offenders almost always being law firms (five to six-digit accrued costs).</p>
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		<title>By: Supernumerary</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked for a phone book company for quite a few years. They&#039;re older businesses which are, depending on the specific company, gradually moving toward digital adoption. They still make quite a bit of money on the production of phone books, however -- almost all their cash comes from the selling of advertisements to local businesses. (The white pages are records which they acquire from actual phone companies; yellow pages are where the revenue comes from, and what pays for the book printing itself.)

What I saw most during my stint was that smaller business owners were often borderline internet-illiterate, and so they still saw the phone book advertisements as being of value. When my company started to bundle customizable webpages or PPC/SEO products into their print package -- at no additional cost during the early days, mind -- loads of advertisers flipped their wigs. They didn&#039;t understand the internet, they did not want it in their lives, and oftentimes they actually wanted to opt out of digital-anything altogether. (In a weird spate of irony, I guess?) Some got it, of course, but for the most part you&#039;re looking at places who were still sure in their hearts that phonebooks were relevant to the below-75 crowd. So the phonebooks are ultimately shrinking, but at way less a rate than I would have anticipated.

As for consumer opt-out, well. I think that&#039;s entirely dependent on the individual company. The place I was at had an online form -- somewhat buried on the site, but that was more because the site was five years out of date than anything -- and if you were willing to do a little legwork, you could send an e-mail or call customer service. The request would get shunted to a distribution department, and life went on. *That* said, Jesus Horatio Christ: there are a lot of shitty phonebook companies out there, so by no means would I expect most places to bother with the &#039;courtesy&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked for a phone book company for quite a few years. They&#8217;re older businesses which are, depending on the specific company, gradually moving toward digital adoption. They still make quite a bit of money on the production of phone books, however &#8212; almost all their cash comes from the selling of advertisements to local businesses. (The white pages are records which they acquire from actual phone companies; yellow pages are where the revenue comes from, and what pays for the book printing itself.)</p>
<p>What I saw most during my stint was that smaller business owners were often borderline internet-illiterate, and so they still saw the phone book advertisements as being of value. When my company started to bundle customizable webpages or PPC/SEO products into their print package &#8212; at no additional cost during the early days, mind &#8212; loads of advertisers flipped their wigs. They didn&#8217;t understand the internet, they did not want it in their lives, and oftentimes they actually wanted to opt out of digital-anything altogether. (In a weird spate of irony, I guess?) Some got it, of course, but for the most part you&#8217;re looking at places who were still sure in their hearts that phonebooks were relevant to the below-75 crowd. So the phonebooks are ultimately shrinking, but at way less a rate than I would have anticipated.</p>
<p>As for consumer opt-out, well. I think that&#8217;s entirely dependent on the individual company. The place I was at had an online form &#8212; somewhat buried on the site, but that was more because the site was five years out of date than anything &#8212; and if you were willing to do a little legwork, you could send an e-mail or call customer service. The request would get shunted to a distribution department, and life went on. *That* said, Jesus Horatio Christ: there are a lot of shitty phonebook companies out there, so by no means would I expect most places to bother with the &#8216;courtesy&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Perkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Perkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can find it in the phoneboo....oh, wait. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can find it in the phoneboo&#8230;.oh, wait. </p>
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