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	<title>Comments on: Dove sneaks revert-to-original Photoshop plugin into art directors&#039;&#160;toolkits</title>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Jaggers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Jaggers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 04:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cute. They still test on animals. </description>
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		<title>By: Churba S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Churba S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 03:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &quot;I used to work for a Big Ass Company...&quot;

So, how was life in Pfitzer&#039;s Preparation H division?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8221;I used to work for a Big Ass Company&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>So, how was life in Pfitzer&#8217;s Preparation H division?</p>
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		<title>By: ldobe</title>
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		<dc:creator>ldobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 03:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoy the ones with Dean Winters.  I wish they&#039;d make more with him and add new ones more regularly.  I know it&#039;s a one-track-meme, but hey, I find it entertaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoy the ones with Dean Winters.  I wish they&#8217;d make more with him and add new ones more regularly.  I know it&#8217;s a one-track-meme, but hey, I find it entertaining.</p>
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		<title>By: axoplasm</title>
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		<dc:creator>axoplasm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 01:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole thing reminds me of the &quot;side order of toast&quot; scene in FIVE EASY PIECES. Wow, you really stuck it to The Man Who Owns Denny’s by ruining that waitress’ day, didntcha?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole thing reminds me of the &#8220;side order of toast&#8221; scene in FIVE EASY PIECES. Wow, you really stuck it to The Man Who Owns Denny’s by ruining that waitress’ day, didntcha?</p>
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		<title>By: Chentzilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chentzilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 01:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUFkb0d1kbU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Uncrop&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUFkb0d1kbU" rel="nofollow">Uncrop</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: NelC</title>
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		<dc:creator>NelC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 21:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever had occasion to check the history after reverting, so I had no idea that the history didn&#039;t revert as well. There&#039;s always something new to learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever had occasion to check the history after reverting, so I had no idea that the history didn&#8217;t revert as well. There&#8217;s always something new to learn.</p>
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		<title>By: nerdfarmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>nerdfarmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is utter nonsense.  You do realize that the Art Directors, Graphic Designers, and Photo retouchers are not the ones actually responsible for &quot;manipulating perceptions&quot;, right?.. that they&#039;re just people working jobs, being told what to do and how to do it so that the final result gets approved by higher ups at the company (or some genius in *cough, cough* marketing)?

Or does Dove/Ogilvy allow their graphics department to send advertising campaigns to print without approval?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is utter nonsense.  You do realize that the Art Directors, Graphic Designers, and Photo retouchers are not the ones actually responsible for &#8220;manipulating perceptions&#8221;, right?.. that they&#8217;re just people working jobs, being told what to do and how to do it so that the final result gets approved by higher ups at the company (or some genius in *cough, cough* marketing)?</p>
<p>Or does Dove/Ogilvy allow their graphics department to send advertising campaigns to print without approval?</p>
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		<title>By: Cola Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cola Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t know about you, but I set up Photoshop so it saves the last 200 history states and have a history window open at all times under swatches. I would be more than able to go back a step even if I saved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t know about you, but I set up Photoshop so it saves the last 200 history states and have a history window open at all times under swatches. I would be more than able to go back a step even if I saved.</p>
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		<title>By: Cola Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cola Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I love how it blames artists for photoshopping, as though they just do that without permission instead of at the direction of major corporations who want to carefully manage their public image. It&#039;s insulting. How stupid do they think we are? 

Furthermore, on the issue of &quot;why people get so upset over clever (and/or viral) marketing,&quot; I think of it like this: you&#039;re at a party, and there&#039;s that guy who always hits up his friends for favors or cash and doesn&#039;t ever pay them back. You all know him, you&#039;ve all got someone like that in your life. Maybe he&#039;s genuinely charming, but you know it&#039;s all in service of parting you with a few of your dollars. You see him across the room and he zeroes in on you. You can sense his desperation but maybe you get genuinely interested in your conversation. Then he asks for ten bucks so he can pay for a cab. He&#039;s never going to help you move and he doesn&#039;t care about what you have to say, but he&#039;ll pretend to if he thinks he can get something for it. 

We should always be critical of advertising--we should never drop our guard and think of massive, profit-driven corporations where no one individual is accountable to anyone (government, the public, their company) as friends. They aren&#039;t our friends (they aren&#039;t people). That doesn&#039;t mean that Nabisco or Unilever aren&#039;t making products we can&#039;t use, but they don&#039;t have our best interests in mind. What they have is a cost-benefit relationship to the consumer: how can I make as much money while offering as little benefit to my customer as possible? Or, rather, what can I get away with? And all those decisions and all of the responsibility are diffused over many people. Having a critical relationship to media and corporations is our only defense when they make bad decisions. 

That&#039;s why viral marketing is so irritating. They&#039;re trying to close the emotional distance we need to keep between us. They&#039;re imitating something they know we&#039;ll instantly relate to completely uncritically. We don&#039;t have to worry that the person who owns Colonel Meow or the people making all their Harlem Shake videos are trying to pull one over on us--they&#039;re just participating in Internet culture. 

I can&#039;t stop Unilever or Dove from making ads like this, of course, but we need to have conversations about it. As an artist, I don&#039;t have specifically have anything against commercial art--that sounds like a good job to me. It&#039;s telling, though, that instead of taking responsibility for the content of advertising, they blame artists for distorted media. Your friend Joe doesn&#039;t care that your girlfriend dumped you, but he&#039;s willing to call her names if it means you&#039;ll give him enough to pick up a six-pack on the way home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I love how it blames artists for photoshopping, as though they just do that without permission instead of at the direction of major corporations who want to carefully manage their public image. It&#8217;s insulting. How stupid do they think we are? </p>
<p>Furthermore, on the issue of &#8220;why people get so upset over clever (and/or viral) marketing,&#8221; I think of it like this: you&#8217;re at a party, and there&#8217;s that guy who always hits up his friends for favors or cash and doesn&#8217;t ever pay them back. You all know him, you&#8217;ve all got someone like that in your life. Maybe he&#8217;s genuinely charming, but you know it&#8217;s all in service of parting you with a few of your dollars. You see him across the room and he zeroes in on you. You can sense his desperation but maybe you get genuinely interested in your conversation. Then he asks for ten bucks so he can pay for a cab. He&#8217;s never going to help you move and he doesn&#8217;t care about what you have to say, but he&#8217;ll pretend to if he thinks he can get something for it. </p>
<p>We should always be critical of advertising&#8211;we should never drop our guard and think of massive, profit-driven corporations where no one individual is accountable to anyone (government, the public, their company) as friends. They aren&#8217;t our friends (they aren&#8217;t people). That doesn&#8217;t mean that Nabisco or Unilever aren&#8217;t making products we can&#8217;t use, but they don&#8217;t have our best interests in mind. What they have is a cost-benefit relationship to the consumer: how can I make as much money while offering as little benefit to my customer as possible? Or, rather, what can I get away with? And all those decisions and all of the responsibility are diffused over many people. Having a critical relationship to media and corporations is our only defense when they make bad decisions. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why viral marketing is so irritating. They&#8217;re trying to close the emotional distance we need to keep between us. They&#8217;re imitating something they know we&#8217;ll instantly relate to completely uncritically. We don&#8217;t have to worry that the person who owns Colonel Meow or the people making all their Harlem Shake videos are trying to pull one over on us&#8211;they&#8217;re just participating in Internet culture. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t stop Unilever or Dove from making ads like this, of course, but we need to have conversations about it. As an artist, I don&#8217;t have specifically have anything against commercial art&#8211;that sounds like a good job to me. It&#8217;s telling, though, that instead of taking responsibility for the content of advertising, they blame artists for distorted media. Your friend Joe doesn&#8217;t care that your girlfriend dumped you, but he&#8217;s willing to call her names if it means you&#8217;ll give him enough to pick up a six-pack on the way home.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Hornby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Hornby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hint: High production value is pricier than a Photoshop monkey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hint: High production value is pricier than a Photoshop monkey.</p>
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		<title>By: ChickieD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChickieD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 17:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I maxed out the replies. I worked as a production assistant on a commercial which required several handsome men. This was in the dark ages before Photoshop. The guys who came in, most of them I would not have given a second look to on the street. They&#039;d open up their books and, wow, with good lighting and great camera work, these guys were all chins and dimples and chiseled abs. From their photos, I wouldn&#039;t have recognized any of them in the flesh. It seems possible to me that given the proper lighting conditions and a skilled photographer an average woman with a little flesh on her could be made to look positively gorgeous sans Photoshoppery. So, yes, they could have selected some pretty looking women who were not normal model types and gotten, I think, great results without filtering and fixing. I wish they had gone that work instead of fluffing them all up in postproduction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I maxed out the replies. I worked as a production assistant on a commercial which required several handsome men. This was in the dark ages before Photoshop. The guys who came in, most of them I would not have given a second look to on the street. They&#8217;d open up their books and, wow, with good lighting and great camera work, these guys were all chins and dimples and chiseled abs. From their photos, I wouldn&#8217;t have recognized any of them in the flesh. It seems possible to me that given the proper lighting conditions and a skilled photographer an average woman with a little flesh on her could be made to look positively gorgeous sans Photoshoppery. So, yes, they could have selected some pretty looking women who were not normal model types and gotten, I think, great results without filtering and fixing. I wish they had gone that work instead of fluffing them all up in postproduction.</p>
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		<title>By: cavalrysword</title>
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		<dc:creator>cavalrysword</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are lying about what their product does. 

And they claim to be doing this to show the &quot;truth&quot; of what beauty is.

I can&#039;t recall who said it, but &quot;The truth never needs to be supported by a lie.&quot;

And beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I&#039;m glad there are guys out there who like chubby women.  Leaves more lean and fit ones for me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are lying about what their product does. </p>
<p>And they claim to be doing this to show the &#8220;truth&#8221; of what beauty is.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t recall who said it, but &#8220;The truth never needs to be supported by a lie.&#8221;</p>
<p>And beauty is in the eye of the beholder.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad there are guys out there who like chubby women.  Leaves more lean and fit ones for me!</p>
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		<title>By: Sekino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sekino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 17:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the same problem with what Dove has been doing than with women&#039;s products and magazines in general.  One side of the mouth tells women in this sweet, motherly tone to have confidence and self-esteem and to celebrate their own age, diversity, physique, etc. The other side of the mouth still speaks of the 24 500 ways a woman ought to alter her body because it will make you feel soooo good and healthy and beautiful WHEN you do (and, also, eeew).

On Dove&#039;s website, you can either be one click away from &#039;advices how to help your teenage girl&#039;s self-esteem&#039; OR some deodorant stick that will &#039;beautify your armpits in 5 days&#039;. They have a caption on the website that asks &quot;What would you say to your 13 year-old self?&quot;... Oh, I don&#039;t know, but probably something along the lines of &quot;PLEASE don&#039;t start fretting about your armpits being all prettisome&quot;.

Sure, it seems really nice to say something cute about women with pounds and pores and wrinkles here and there, but it doesn&#039;t change the fact that they are still filling the world with products avowing that these wrinkles and pores and fugly armpits will be gone if you just buy the stuff, &lt;i&gt;and you will feel so much more wonderful for it&lt;/i&gt;! That oxymoron is all over the place. Dove isn&#039;t being that original, creative OR altruistic.

Here&#039;s something that would show a lot more earnestness in their little effort to save women from crazy unrealistic expectations than some contrived gimmick about Photoshop: Pull out the anti-wrinkle creams. Pull out the &#039;armpit beautifying pit sticks&#039;. Pull out any product that imply that perfectly natural, normal and healthy body features are diseased and ugly and should be fussed about. Stick with soap that cleans, creams that help actual skin problems and loofahs or whatever. The Dove men&#039;s section doesn&#039;t have anti-wrinkle and pretty armpits shit in it (yet). How about making that low-maintenance message equal-opportunity? Of course they wouldn&#039;t. They&#039;d lose way too much money and besides &#039;women really WANT these products&#039;, &#039;supply and demand&#039;, etc, etc...  But at least they&#039;d be putting their money where their mouth is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the same problem with what Dove has been doing than with women&#8217;s products and magazines in general.  One side of the mouth tells women in this sweet, motherly tone to have confidence and self-esteem and to celebrate their own age, diversity, physique, etc. The other side of the mouth still speaks of the 24 500 ways a woman ought to alter her body because it will make you feel soooo good and healthy and beautiful WHEN you do (and, also, eeew).</p>
<p>On Dove&#8217;s website, you can either be one click away from &#8216;advices how to help your teenage girl&#8217;s self-esteem&#8217; OR some deodorant stick that will &#8216;beautify your armpits in 5 days&#8217;. They have a caption on the website that asks &#8220;What would you say to your 13 year-old self?&#8221;&#8230; Oh, I don&#8217;t know, but probably something along the lines of &#8220;PLEASE don&#8217;t start fretting about your armpits being all prettisome&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sure, it seems really nice to say something cute about women with pounds and pores and wrinkles here and there, but it doesn&#8217;t change the fact that they are still filling the world with products avowing that these wrinkles and pores and fugly armpits will be gone if you just buy the stuff, <i>and you will feel so much more wonderful for it</i>! That oxymoron is all over the place. Dove isn&#8217;t being that original, creative OR altruistic.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s something that would show a lot more earnestness in their little effort to save women from crazy unrealistic expectations than some contrived gimmick about Photoshop: Pull out the anti-wrinkle creams. Pull out the &#8216;armpit beautifying pit sticks&#8217;. Pull out any product that imply that perfectly natural, normal and healthy body features are diseased and ugly and should be fussed about. Stick with soap that cleans, creams that help actual skin problems and loofahs or whatever. The Dove men&#8217;s section doesn&#8217;t have anti-wrinkle and pretty armpits shit in it (yet). How about making that low-maintenance message equal-opportunity? Of course they wouldn&#8217;t. They&#8217;d lose way too much money and besides &#8216;women really WANT these products&#8217;, &#8216;supply and demand&#8217;, etc, etc&#8230;  But at least they&#8217;d be putting their money where their mouth is.</p>
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		<title>By: blueelm</title>
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		<dc:creator>blueelm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I&#039;m not sure how I feel about the ad, I noticed in the video it mentions that you can hit undo to get rid of the effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m not sure how I feel about the ad, I noticed in the video it mentions that you can hit undo to get rid of the effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Hornby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Hornby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 16:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As with anything organic and natural, women come in all shapes and sizes and aesthetic grades. But for the same reason you wouldn&#039;t use an under-ripe, wonky banana in a cornflakes ad, you&#039;re unlikely to use an unattractive woman in an ad for a beauty product.

Aspiration aspiration aspiration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with anything organic and natural, women come in all shapes and sizes and aesthetic grades. But for the same reason you wouldn&#8217;t use an under-ripe, wonky banana in a cornflakes ad, you&#8217;re unlikely to use an unattractive woman in an ad for a beauty product.</p>
<p>Aspiration aspiration aspiration.</p>
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		<title>By: David Weintraub</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Weintraub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 16:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This bothered me from a prospective as a software developer...

According to what they claim, this company put out a piece of software that billed itself as one thing, but then did something else that the user did not want to do. To me, that&#039;s the definition of a Trojan which is a form of malware.

I hope that the writers of this piece of hackivism allowed their victims the ability to undo the change. If the intent was to do true damage, where does this stop? Is it okay to make something think they&#039;re downloading porn only to reformat their hard drive because they degrade women? Or, maybe claiming to offer a religious hymnal, but instead play some sexual heavy metal tune because you feel that religion breeds hatred?

Maybe I am not photoshopping some women in her undies for a beauty ad. Maybe I am trying to restore an old photo. Is it okay now to destroy my work? Do I at least get an apology?

I don&#039;t use photoshop, and I have nothing to do with the beauty industrial complex. I am not for hackavism. The hackavist sets themselves up as judge, jury, and executioner. They make a personal decision of what they feel is right or wrong and then met out whatever punishment they feel. And, they usually do it in an a way to hide their identity in order to hide from any sort of negative consequence for their actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This bothered me from a prospective as a software developer&#8230;</p>
<p>According to what they claim, this company put out a piece of software that billed itself as one thing, but then did something else that the user did not want to do. To me, that&#8217;s the definition of a Trojan which is a form of malware.</p>
<p>I hope that the writers of this piece of hackivism allowed their victims the ability to undo the change. If the intent was to do true damage, where does this stop? Is it okay to make something think they&#8217;re downloading porn only to reformat their hard drive because they degrade women? Or, maybe claiming to offer a religious hymnal, but instead play some sexual heavy metal tune because you feel that religion breeds hatred?</p>
<p>Maybe I am not photoshopping some women in her undies for a beauty ad. Maybe I am trying to restore an old photo. Is it okay now to destroy my work? Do I at least get an apology?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t use photoshop, and I have nothing to do with the beauty industrial complex. I am not for hackavism. The hackavist sets themselves up as judge, jury, and executioner. They make a personal decision of what they feel is right or wrong and then met out whatever punishment they feel. And, they usually do it in an a way to hide their identity in order to hide from any sort of negative consequence for their actions.</p>
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		<title>By: elix</title>
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		<dc:creator>elix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 16:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until someone comes up with a better term, I&#039;m going with &quot;sanctimonious asshats&quot;.</description>
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		<title>By: ChickieD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChickieD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right because real women are beautiful, wait, no, real women are ugly but with a little glow effect and a little  soft filter they&#039;re do-able.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right because real women are beautiful, wait, no, real women are ugly but with a little glow effect and a little  soft filter they&#8217;re do-able.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Hornby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Hornby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course they were else they&#039;d look awful.</description>
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		<title>By: FakeNina</title>
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		<dc:creator>FakeNina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 15:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> It&#039;s just another case of a big-ass company being photoshopped to look like a small-ass company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> It&#8217;s just another case of a big-ass company being photoshopped to look like a small-ass company.</p>
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		<title>By: ChickieD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChickieD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She has a huge following. There are people who are completely obsessed with her. And, they have definitely associated their brand with her - seems to be aimed at a young demographic, mainly male. Shocker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She has a huge following. There are people who are completely obsessed with her. And, they have definitely associated their brand with her &#8211; seems to be aimed at a young demographic, mainly male. Shocker.</p>
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		<title>By: ChickieD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChickieD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 15:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like their message. It is a refreshing change in the marketplace and I&#039;m surprised that other companies haven&#039;t followed suit. I don&#039;t buy Dove but I have a positive feeling toward their brand. 

I agree that the Photoshop action is clearly meant to &quot;go viral&quot; and seems so tame of a hack that only a wide-eyed 12 year old would think it had any impact on the Photoshop user. I guess companies are still trying to figure out how to make something go viral, but you wish someone on their team had reviewed and just said no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like their message. It is a refreshing change in the marketplace and I&#8217;m surprised that other companies haven&#8217;t followed suit. I don&#8217;t buy Dove but I have a positive feeling toward their brand. </p>
<p>I agree that the Photoshop action is clearly meant to &#8220;go viral&#8221; and seems so tame of a hack that only a wide-eyed 12 year old would think it had any impact on the Photoshop user. I guess companies are still trying to figure out how to make something go viral, but you wish someone on their team had reviewed and just said no.</p>
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		<title>By: ChickieD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChickieD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 15:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/brandnewday/archives/2008/05/surprise_doves.html

Turns out those photos, according to the May 12, 2008 issue of The New Yorker, were as digitally manipulated as any skinny model-festooned fashion spread. It’s mentioned in a Lauren Collins profile of the toucher-upper himself, Pascal Dangin, who works regularly forVogue, Dior, Balenciaga, and many others. Hear what Dangin has to say about the Dove project on page 100:“Do you know how much retouching was on that?” He asked. “But it was great to do, a challenge, to keep everyone’s skin and faces showing the mileage but not looking unattractive.”</description>
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<p>Turns out those photos, according to the May 12, 2008 issue of The New Yorker, were as digitally manipulated as any skinny model-festooned fashion spread. It’s mentioned in a Lauren Collins profile of the toucher-upper himself, Pascal Dangin, who works regularly forVogue, Dior, Balenciaga, and many others. Hear what Dangin has to say about the Dove project on page 100:“Do you know how much retouching was on that?” He asked. “But it was great to do, a challenge, to keep everyone’s skin and faces showing the mileage but not looking unattractive.”</p>
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		<title>By: India Osaka</title>
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		<dc:creator>India Osaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 14:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flâneur délicat?</description>
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		<title>By: SofaKing</title>
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		<dc:creator>SofaKing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 14:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I learned everything I know about photoshop from Donnie Hoyle... Donnie would never condone the use of some &#039;plug in&#039; for stuff like this... if you didn&#039;t suck at photoshop you would know know how to do stuff like this too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learned everything I know about photoshop from Donnie Hoyle&#8230; Donnie would never condone the use of some &#8216;plug in&#8217; for stuff like this&#8230; if you didn&#8217;t suck at photoshop you would know know how to do stuff like this too.</p>
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		<title>By: ebiii</title>
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		<dc:creator>ebiii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 14:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and at the risk of being pedantic, an Action is just a script vs. a true Plugin for Photoshop.  You use them differently.  Plugins are locked and self-contained and you do not see under the hood, while an action is just a list of commands that can be reviewed and edited.  To have an Action &#039;revert&#039; a file it would have to either force the History to it&#039;s top (which can lose everything after if you aren&#039;t careful) or force a saved state.

I don&#039;t think something like this would fool a pro, but I do see it as corporate-sponsored malware since it manipulates a user&#039;s work file in a way different from what is stated in order to advance an ideology instead of provide a tool for productive work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and at the risk of being pedantic, an Action is just a script vs. a true Plugin for Photoshop.  You use them differently.  Plugins are locked and self-contained and you do not see under the hood, while an action is just a list of commands that can be reviewed and edited.  To have an Action &#8216;revert&#8217; a file it would have to either force the History to it&#8217;s top (which can lose everything after if you aren&#8217;t careful) or force a saved state.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think something like this would fool a pro, but I do see it as corporate-sponsored malware since it manipulates a user&#8217;s work file in a way different from what is stated in order to advance an ideology instead of provide a tool for productive work.</p>
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		<title>By: Daneel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daneel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 14:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://xkcd.com/37/</description>
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		<title>By: ebiii</title>
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		<dc:creator>ebiii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 14:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fex - fantastic post, thank you!  Ads are just a means and often they are more about pushing a feeling or impression than anything useful.  The agencies also track the links to stuff like this and monitor threads like this one.

Me - I&#039;m one of those Creatives pushing pixels and it is quite common to be told &quot;just fake it&quot; in one form or another.  So I&#039;m to refuse to do what the client asks because it is &#039;stealing the model&#039;s &#039;real beauty&#039;&#039;?  Trageting Photoshop artists as villians in this is like getting mad at the bus driver because the route doesn&#039;t go down your street.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fex &#8211; fantastic post, thank you!  Ads are just a means and often they are more about pushing a feeling or impression than anything useful.  The agencies also track the links to stuff like this and monitor threads like this one.</p>
<p>Me &#8211; I&#8217;m one of those Creatives pushing pixels and it is quite common to be told &#8220;just fake it&#8221; in one form or another.  So I&#8217;m to refuse to do what the client asks because it is &#8216;stealing the model&#8217;s &#8216;real beauty&#8221;?  Trageting Photoshop artists as villians in this is like getting mad at the bus driver because the route doesn&#8217;t go down your street.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarge Misfit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarge Misfit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerks

I make NPCs for a virtual world I am working on. Using something like Skin Glow would have added a bit more realism to them. Imagine the crap I would have gone through if this info hadn&#039;t been put out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerks</p>
<p>I make NPCs for a virtual world I am working on. Using something like Skin Glow would have added a bit more realism to them. Imagine the crap I would have gone through if this info hadn&#8217;t been put out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradley Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing I love about the Boing -- no matter what happens, nobody is happy and everyone is up to something, overt or otherwise.

The naked truth tastes rather bitter, I suppose.  But at least it makes me smile from time to time.



And by the way, &quot;chubby&quot; girls are much more attractive than their sickly looking counterparts.  Carry on, Dove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing I love about the Boing &#8212; no matter what happens, nobody is happy and everyone is up to something, overt or otherwise.</p>
<p>The naked truth tastes rather bitter, I suppose.  But at least it makes me smile from time to time.</p>
<p>And by the way, &#8220;chubby&#8221; girls are much more attractive than their sickly looking counterparts.  Carry on, Dove.</p>
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