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	<title>Comments on: Random House responds to SFWA on its Hydra ebook&#160;imprint</title>
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		<title>By: Xof</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1675032</link>
		<dc:creator>Xof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, this isn&#039;t so much &quot;a la carte&quot; as &quot;shit sandwich.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, this isn&#8217;t so much &#8220;a la carte&#8221; as &#8220;shit sandwich.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Mander</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1675026</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Mander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 18:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I predicted some years back that traditional publshers would begin offering &lt;i&gt;a la carte&lt;/i&gt; services to compete with DIY authors and service like Lulu (Harlequin got that ball rolling last year), but I never thought that a major publisher would see the kind of egregiously unbalanced vanity press with a long history of catering to desperation as a viable solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I predicted some years back that traditional publshers would begin offering <i>a la carte</i> services to compete with DIY authors and service like Lulu (Harlequin got that ball rolling last year), but I never thought that a major publisher would see the kind of egregiously unbalanced vanity press with a long history of catering to desperation as a viable solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Taylor</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674417</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Yep. I can stand reading about the dishonesty - it&#039;s the weasel words that make me flinch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Yep. I can stand reading about the dishonesty &#8211; it&#8217;s the weasel words that make me flinch.</p>
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		<title>By: TheMadLibrarian</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674309</link>
		<dc:creator>TheMadLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This business model is aimed at &quot;50 Shades of Gray&quot; wannabes, who think that &quot;I coulda been a contenda&#039;!&quot;  Never mind that a success story like that is almost like winning the lottery, everyone thinks that if they just have a chance, they will be the next [fill in successful author here].  It doesn&#039;t matter to them that they have just bought into being a sharecropper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This business model is aimed at &#8220;50 Shades of Gray&#8221; wannabes, who think that &#8220;I coulda been a contenda&#8217;!&#8221;  Never mind that a success story like that is almost like winning the lottery, everyone thinks that if they just have a chance, they will be the next [fill in successful author here].  It doesn&#8217;t matter to them that they have just bought into being a sharecropper.</p>
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		<title>By: theophrastvs</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674297</link>
		<dc:creator>theophrastvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>somesort of odd deja-vu glitch happening just now to Boing-Boing (at least on my end) ... every refresh alternates between this post and one of Xeni&#039;s yesterday with the woman on the old phone advert (...1913).   godblesswordpress(and all those that sail upon it)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>somesort of odd deja-vu glitch happening just now to Boing-Boing (at least on my end) &#8230; every refresh alternates between this post and one of Xeni&#8217;s yesterday with the woman on the old phone advert (&#8230;1913).   godblesswordpress(and all those that sail upon it)</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Wilson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674190</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 18:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Totally. It&#039;s marketing lingo and went through the company&#039;s PR mechanism. An actual human being with any moral or ethical compass was not involved in the crafting of that statement ... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Totally. It&#8217;s marketing lingo and went through the company&#8217;s PR mechanism. An actual human being with any moral or ethical compass was not involved in the crafting of that statement &#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: elix</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674103</link>
		<dc:creator>elix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pop quiz: What&#039;s the sound of a book flying over my head?

Answer: Woooooosh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pop quiz: What&#8217;s the sound of a book flying over my head?</p>
<p>Answer: Woooooosh.</p>
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		<title>By: Xof</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674101</link>
		<dc:creator>Xof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, forgot the  tag on my first post.</description>
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		<title>By: elix</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674097</link>
		<dc:creator>elix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, I don&#039;t know that that follows. In the &quot;traditional&quot; model, the author and his/her manuscript is accepted and the publisher bears the costs of everything, typically including giving the author an advance on royalties and then recouping it through sales. Leaving onerous/abusive clauses about who gets the rights and for how long aside, the publisher really does need the book to sell.

It&#039;s in their best interest to make sure that it&#039;s an acceptable product. That doesn&#039;t preclude doing it for as little as possible, but it&#039;s their money they&#039;re spending. With Hydra, you&#039;re basically contracting &lt;i&gt;them&lt;/i&gt; to do all the heavy lifting with your manuscript to turn it into a book for you, so they stand to profit from day 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, I don&#8217;t know that that follows. In the &#8220;traditional&#8221; model, the author and his/her manuscript is accepted and the publisher bears the costs of everything, typically including giving the author an advance on royalties and then recouping it through sales. Leaving onerous/abusive clauses about who gets the rights and for how long aside, the publisher really does need the book to sell.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s in their best interest to make sure that it&#8217;s an acceptable product. That doesn&#8217;t preclude doing it for as little as possible, but it&#8217;s their money they&#8217;re spending. With Hydra, you&#8217;re basically contracting <i>them</i> to do all the heavy lifting with your manuscript to turn it into a book for you, so they stand to profit from day 1.</p>
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		<title>By: hundred</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674095</link>
		<dc:creator>hundred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;best-in-class services&quot;  sounds like some kind of car advertisement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;best-in-class services&#8221;  sounds like some kind of car advertisement</p>
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		<title>By: Xof</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674086</link>
		<dc:creator>Xof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can almost say this is the &quot;50 Shades of Gray&#039; response. From a traditional publishing point of view, that&#039;s the one that got away: An unknown author who writes a book that no traditional publisher would have picked up, and yet made tons of money. And the author still owns every single right, and is a great position to negotiate for pretty much everything.

The publishers would prefer that no longer happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can almost say this is the &#8220;50 Shades of Gray&#8217; response. From a traditional publishing point of view, that&#8217;s the one that got away: An unknown author who writes a book that no traditional publisher would have picked up, and yet made tons of money. And the author still owns every single right, and is a great position to negotiate for pretty much everything.</p>
<p>The publishers would prefer that no longer happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Xof</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674085</link>
		<dc:creator>Xof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other implication, of course, is that those who sign traditional contracts don&#039;t get the best-in-class services from Random House, but whatever services happen to be lying around.

I&#039;m sure the agents who are negotiating with Random House would be fascinated by this and love to discuss the implications at length.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other implication, of course, is that those who sign traditional contracts don&#8217;t get the best-in-class services from Random House, but whatever services happen to be lying around.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the agents who are negotiating with Random House would be fascinated by this and love to discuss the implications at length.</p>
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		<title>By: elix</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674073</link>
		<dc:creator>elix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since EA and its apocalyptic SimCity launch has brought the failings of always-online requirements for what should be single-player games up, your comment reminds me of Ubisoft&#039;s reps when they announced that they were abandoning the always-online DRM component about a year ago.

The interviewer tried to make them admit that the plan was a mistake, but they steadfastly refused to acknowledge it, only that they were now doing this and they basically didn&#039;t want to talk about the past. It was so obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since EA and its apocalyptic SimCity launch has brought the failings of always-online requirements for what should be single-player games up, your comment reminds me of Ubisoft&#8217;s reps when they announced that they were abandoning the always-online DRM component about a year ago.</p>
<p>The interviewer tried to make them admit that the plan was a mistake, but they steadfastly refused to acknowledge it, only that they were now doing this and they basically didn&#8217;t want to talk about the past. It was so obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Mander</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674071</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Mander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering Random House&#039;s prominence and history, this sort of groping desperation doesn&#039;t bode well for publishing as a whole. Well, for traditional publishing, anyhow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering Random House&#8217;s prominence and history, this sort of groping desperation doesn&#8217;t bode well for publishing as a whole. Well, for traditional publishing, anyhow.</p>
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		<title>By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674070</link>
		<dc:creator>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See also: &quot;Hollywood Accounting&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also: &#8220;Hollywood Accounting&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674069</link>
		<dc:creator>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, &lt;em&gt;especially&lt;/em&gt; given the conflict of interest, in addition to the existence and availability of competent freelancers, I don&#039;t think that there&#039;s a chance in hell that Random House&#039;s offer is a good one.

Just that the implicit argument of their PR flack was not so much a &#039;no, for reasons you just didn&#039;t understand, we are actually offering you a good deal!&#039;; but rather a &#039;Yeah, you are paying to be published on our vanity imprint because no real imprint will touch you, that&#039;s vanity publishing for you; but Authentic Random House Services!!!! are much better than the ones at Sleazy Joe&#039;s House of Typesetting and Bait Shack.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, <em>especially</em> given the conflict of interest, in addition to the existence and availability of competent freelancers, I don&#8217;t think that there&#8217;s a chance in hell that Random House&#8217;s offer is a good one.</p>
<p>Just that the implicit argument of their PR flack was not so much a &#8216;no, for reasons you just didn&#8217;t understand, we are actually offering you a good deal!&#8217;; but rather a &#8216;Yeah, you are paying to be published on our vanity imprint because no real imprint will touch you, that&#8217;s vanity publishing for you; but Authentic Random House Services!!!! are much better than the ones at Sleazy Joe&#8217;s House of Typesetting and Bait Shack.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: elix</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674068</link>
		<dc:creator>elix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I suppose if there&#039;s no chance this side of Mars that you&#039;ll get your work past the slush pile in the first place, and you have the money, you might as well go with the swanky place with silicone lube and mood lighting instead of the sketchy crack addict in the alley for your getting-sodomized needs.

But I don&#039;t see that type of author being able to appreciate the editorial staff&#039;s work, assuming they do anything at all, since as Cory&#039;s mentioned previously, if you&#039;re paying the bill, it&#039;s to their advantage to do &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt; beyond the absolute minimum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I suppose if there&#8217;s no chance this side of Mars that you&#8217;ll get your work past the slush pile in the first place, and you have the money, you might as well go with the swanky place with silicone lube and mood lighting instead of the sketchy crack addict in the alley for your getting-sodomized needs.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t see that type of author being able to appreciate the editorial staff&#8217;s work, assuming they do anything at all, since as Cory&#8217;s mentioned previously, if you&#8217;re paying the bill, it&#8217;s to their advantage to do <i>nothing</i> beyond the absolute minimum.</p>
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		<title>By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674063</link>
		<dc:creator>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the (implicit, because it&#039;d sound really bad to say out loud) argument is that &#039;Hydra&#039; is a shitty financial deal because it provides Random House&#039;s services to people who the decision makers at their &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; imprints wouldn&#039;t touch.

That&#039;s sort of the vanity press thing: they offer some semblance of the services of a real publisher; but at rates that reflect their...boundless... confidence in your abilities as an author.

The Random House spokesweasel is essentially arguing that Random House is a better vanity press; because it gouges you for better services...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the (implicit, because it&#8217;d sound really bad to say out loud) argument is that &#8216;Hydra&#8217; is a shitty financial deal because it provides Random House&#8217;s services to people who the decision makers at their <em>real</em> imprints wouldn&#8217;t touch.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s sort of the vanity press thing: they offer some semblance of the services of a real publisher; but at rates that reflect their&#8230;boundless&#8230; confidence in your abilities as an author.</p>
<p>The Random House spokesweasel is essentially arguing that Random House is a better vanity press; because it gouges you for better services&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: OoerictoO</title>
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		<dc:creator>OoerictoO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see also: recording industry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see also: recording industry</p>
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		<title>By: elix</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674051</link>
		<dc:creator>elix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, she&#039;s boasting that Hydra gives the author access to Random House&#039;s marketing, editing, copyediting, etc. services?

That&#039;s... the only thing Random House &lt;b&gt;does&lt;/b&gt;. Running an abusive vanity press mutation of ordinary business is not subject to special pleading when you get accused of running an abusive vanity press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, she&#8217;s boasting that Hydra gives the author access to Random House&#8217;s marketing, editing, copyediting, etc. services?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s&#8230; the only thing Random House <b>does</b>. Running an abusive vanity press mutation of ordinary business is not subject to special pleading when you get accused of running an abusive vanity press.</p>
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		<title>By: angusm</title>
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		<dc:creator>angusm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When something like this breaks, the usual pattern of response is:

1. Silence in the face of the initial outrage.
2. A corporate message explaining how [insert unacceptable behavior] is actually in the best interests of creators, consumers, and [insert random oppressed minority].
3. Silence in the face of renewed outrage.
4. A corporate message explaining how after due consideration, [insert corporation] has decided to make [insert minor modification] in their previous [insert unacceptable behavior], thus further benefiting creators, consumers and [insert random oppressed minority].
5. Silence.
6. A corporate message buried in the inside pages of a trade publication read by no more than four people explaining how they have relaunched [insert unacceptable behavior] under a new name.

We&#039;re at step 2. Watch for 3-6.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When something like this breaks, the usual pattern of response is:</p>
<p>1. Silence in the face of the initial outrage.<br />
2. A corporate message explaining how [insert unacceptable behavior] is actually in the best interests of creators, consumers, and [insert random oppressed minority].<br />
3. Silence in the face of renewed outrage.<br />
4. A corporate message explaining how after due consideration, [insert corporation] has decided to make [insert minor modification] in their previous [insert unacceptable behavior], thus further benefiting creators, consumers and [insert random oppressed minority].<br />
5. Silence.<br />
6. A corporate message buried in the inside pages of a trade publication read by no more than four people explaining how they have relaunched [insert unacceptable behavior] under a new name.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re at step 2. Watch for 3-6.</p>
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		<title>By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674044</link>
		<dc:creator>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure that if it&#039;d be a felony for a defense contractor to rip you off in a particular way, you&#039;d better be &lt;em&gt;extra&lt;/em&gt; sure that it isn&#039;t a good deal...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that if it&#8217;d be a felony for a defense contractor to rip you off in a particular way, you&#8217;d better be <em>extra</em> sure that it isn&#8217;t a good deal&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: signsofrain</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/random-house-responds-to-sfwa.html#comment-1674039</link>
		<dc:creator>signsofrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Maximum earning potential&quot; 
..a second later:
&quot;For Random House obviously, not for themselves. You don&#039;t think we got rich by writing a lotta checks do ya? Ha ha ha ha!&quot;</description>
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..a second later:<br />
&#8220;For Random House obviously, not for themselves. You don&#8217;t think we got rich by writing a lotta checks do ya? Ha ha ha ha!&#8221;</p>
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