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	<title>Comments on: Proposed Maryland anti-zero-tolerance law would tell schools to stop suspending kids who point their fingers at each other and say&#160;&quot;bang&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/12/proposed-maryland-anti-zero-to.html#comment-1678473</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend&#039;s child isn&#039;t allowed to keep his asthma inhaler with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend&#8217;s child isn&#8217;t allowed to keep his asthma inhaler with him.</p>
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		<title>By: ocker3</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/12/proposed-maryland-anti-zero-to.html#comment-1677975</link>
		<dc:creator>ocker3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During High School in California, I was supposed to take antibiotics Exactly every 8 hours, one of the times falling during my geometry class. I was supposed to go to the high school office, get a pass, to the Nurse&#039;s office in the primary school across the road, take the pill, then go back to class. This would have taken 20 minutes out of a high level class, every day


Instead I just kept them in my backpack and downed them while sitting in the back row, I even learned to knock them back without water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During High School in California, I was supposed to take antibiotics Exactly every 8 hours, one of the times falling during my geometry class. I was supposed to go to the high school office, get a pass, to the Nurse&#8217;s office in the primary school across the road, take the pill, then go back to class. This would have taken 20 minutes out of a high level class, every day</p>
<p>Instead I just kept them in my backpack and downed them while sitting in the back row, I even learned to knock them back without water.</p>
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		<title>By: Yehuda Berlinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yehuda Berlinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A dumb law that was meant to shape moral behavior - and not actually catch terrorists - is going to be just as dumb with yet another law meant to shape moral behavior.

The problem with the zero-tolerance law is that it is a LAW, as opposed to a guideline. Laws are attempts to mark an exact border between what is acceptable and what is not. All laws fail to do this properly, because you are illegal (and thus entirely condemned) on one side and legal (and therefore tacitly approved) on the other.

Now we want to add on top of a bad law yet another law that PROHIBITS a principal from doing this or that. Really? Absolutely prohibits under ANY circumstances?

Instead of turning another situation that we were once able to handle with common sense into yet another set of absolute prohibitions and forced actions, why not repeal or reword the first law to attach wiggle room for individual judgement?

Yehuda</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A dumb law that was meant to shape moral behavior &#8211; and not actually catch terrorists &#8211; is going to be just as dumb with yet another law meant to shape moral behavior.</p>
<p>The problem with the zero-tolerance law is that it is a LAW, as opposed to a guideline. Laws are attempts to mark an exact border between what is acceptable and what is not. All laws fail to do this properly, because you are illegal (and thus entirely condemned) on one side and legal (and therefore tacitly approved) on the other.</p>
<p>Now we want to add on top of a bad law yet another law that PROHIBITS a principal from doing this or that. Really? Absolutely prohibits under ANY circumstances?</p>
<p>Instead of turning another situation that we were once able to handle with common sense into yet another set of absolute prohibitions and forced actions, why not repeal or reword the first law to attach wiggle room for individual judgement?</p>
<p>Yehuda</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/12/proposed-maryland-anti-zero-to.html#comment-1677651</link>
		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 02:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know of schools that were significantly crazier. My experience was in a relatively safe middle class town on Long Island at a school where 88% of students go straight to college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know of schools that were significantly crazier. My experience was in a relatively safe middle class town on Long Island at a school where 88% of students go straight to college.</p>
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		<title>By: awjt</title>
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		<dc:creator>awjt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nanny nanny nanny fanny nanny fanny

(fo fanny fanny fee fie fo fanny nanny)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nanny nanny nanny fanny nanny fanny</p>
<p>(fo fanny fanny fee fie fo fanny nanny)</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/12/proposed-maryland-anti-zero-to.html#comment-1677476</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I graduated high school in 1975.  My critical writing teacher was the local hash dealer.  You have my sympathy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I graduated high school in 1975.  My critical writing teacher was the local hash dealer.  You have my sympathy.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/12/proposed-maryland-anti-zero-to.html#comment-1677355</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Putin&#039;s legal mentor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Putin&#8217;s legal mentor.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/12/proposed-maryland-anti-zero-to.html#comment-1677330</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 21:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sole purpose of zero tolerance policies is to transfer liability for incidents from the school to the inmates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sole purpose of zero tolerance policies is to transfer liability for incidents from the school to the inmates.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/12/proposed-maryland-anti-zero-to.html#comment-1677266</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 21:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> If you say &quot;nanny&quot; one more time Milton Friedman&#039;s ghost will come out of your monitor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> If you say &#8220;nanny&#8221; one more time Milton Friedman&#8217;s ghost will come out of your monitor.</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/12/proposed-maryland-anti-zero-to.html#comment-1677201</link>
		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True. Mild example: my high school adopted a policy of making students wear their ID cards on a lanyard at all times. Many teachers protested often. They were ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True. Mild example: my high school adopted a policy of making students wear their ID cards on a lanyard at all times. Many teachers protested often. They were ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/12/proposed-maryland-anti-zero-to.html#comment-1677199</link>
		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I turned 18 before I graduated high school. If I were seen taking tylenol in my car before driving home, I would have been suspended. For many drugs, supervision is unnecessary and overly intrusive past middle school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I turned 18 before I graduated high school. If I were seen taking tylenol in my car before driving home, I would have been suspended. For many drugs, supervision is unnecessary and overly intrusive past middle school.</p>
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		<title>By: AnthonyC</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/12/proposed-maryland-anti-zero-to.html#comment-1677194</link>
		<dc:creator>AnthonyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the drafters of first zero tolerance policies didn&#039;t expect this. When the thousandth (or whatever) school adopted the same policies years later, though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the drafters of first zero tolerance policies didn&#8217;t expect this. When the thousandth (or whatever) school adopted the same policies years later, though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dr P Fenderson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/12/proposed-maryland-anti-zero-to.html#comment-1677193</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr P Fenderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Popes are way more exciting business than I ever thought. This is some straight gangland stuff right here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Popes are way more exciting business than I ever thought. This is some straight gangland stuff right here.</p>
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		<title>By: CLamb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/12/proposed-maryland-anti-zero-to.html#comment-1676978</link>
		<dc:creator>CLamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> How can we rest as a nation when this habit of epsilon goes unchallenged?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> How can we rest as a nation when this habit of epsilon goes unchallenged?</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/12/proposed-maryland-anti-zero-to.html#comment-1676906</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I doubt any teachers drafted this policy dude....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I doubt any teachers drafted this policy dude&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/12/proposed-maryland-anti-zero-to.html#comment-1676903</link>
		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Stay away from Popes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Stephen_VI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Stay away from Popes.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Stephen_VI" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Stephen_VI</a></p>
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		<title>By: Navin_Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Navin_Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;plum pension program&quot; 

These policies are usually created by state/city school boards/districts, not teachers. I say this because you seem to really be emphasizing the pension angle here. In my city most of these board members are unelected and appointed by politicians. They&#039;re mostly wealthy business people, or professional charter-bug education &quot;reformers&quot; and anti-union/labor in their views. I honestly don&#039;t know how this originated in Maryland, but I doubt it was with a teacher or rank and file worker worried about their pension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;plum pension program&#8221; </p>
<p>These policies are usually created by state/city school boards/districts, not teachers. I say this because you seem to really be emphasizing the pension angle here. In my city most of these board members are unelected and appointed by politicians. They&#8217;re mostly wealthy business people, or professional charter-bug education &#8220;reformers&#8221; and anti-union/labor in their views. I honestly don&#8217;t know how this originated in Maryland, but I doubt it was with a teacher or rank and file worker worried about their pension.</p>
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		<title>By: big ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>big ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if now isn&#039;t the time to talk about finger control, when is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if now isn&#8217;t the time to talk about finger control, when is?</p>
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		<title>By: Boundegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boundegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And then poisoned, stabbed, shot and burned.  And then fired some more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then poisoned, stabbed, shot and burned.  And then fired some more.</p>
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		<title>By: Boundegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boundegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most schools supervise those kids.  My son is one of them, and has never had a problem with school administration.  If there was a case like this, I wonder if some parent didn&#039;t give the school vital information?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most schools supervise those kids.  My son is one of them, and has never had a problem with school administration.  If there was a case like this, I wonder if some parent didn&#8217;t give the school vital information?</p>
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		<title>By: Boundegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boundegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But epsilon has this habit of approaching zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But epsilon has this habit of approaching zero.</p>
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		<title>By: Boundegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boundegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a really good point, and I never made the connection.  Like most states, Maryland has its red areas, where hunting is a way of life and they&#039;re not 100% sure which side they were on in the Civil War.  It also has the deep-blue DC suburbs, which mostly control state politics.

I wonder how these zero-tolerance policies sound to RKBA Republicans?  (And I note the bill&#039;s sponsor is R.)  On the one hand, they&#039;re &quot;tough&quot; but they&#039;re also &quot;politically correct.&quot;  Decisions, decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a really good point, and I never made the connection.  Like most states, Maryland has its red areas, where hunting is a way of life and they&#8217;re not 100% sure which side they were on in the Civil War.  It also has the deep-blue DC suburbs, which mostly control state politics.</p>
<p>I wonder how these zero-tolerance policies sound to RKBA Republicans?  (And I note the bill&#8217;s sponsor is R.)  On the one hand, they&#8217;re &#8220;tough&#8221; but they&#8217;re also &#8220;politically correct.&#8221;  Decisions, decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: godfathersoul</title>
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		<dc:creator>godfathersoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the nanny has to take care of the nanny taking care of the nannies... THEN perhaps we have reached the true definition of &#039;nanny state&#039; government.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the nanny has to take care of the nanny taking care of the nannies&#8230; THEN perhaps we have reached the true definition of &#8216;nanny state&#8217; government.</p>
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		<title>By: Tynam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tynam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that it&#039;s rarely the fault entirely of the educator in contact with the child, but of a system that&#039;s all-too-ready to clobber them for actually exercising human judgement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that it&#8217;s rarely the fault entirely of the educator in contact with the child, but of a system that&#8217;s all-too-ready to clobber them for actually exercising human judgement.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Williamson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Williamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually support zero tolerance for educators.  The first time they act this stupid toward a child, they should be fired, fined their last year&#039;s pay, blacklisted, forbidden from ever working with children again and denied unemployment or public aid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually support zero tolerance for educators.  The first time they act this stupid toward a child, they should be fired, fined their last year&#8217;s pay, blacklisted, forbidden from ever working with children again and denied unemployment or public aid.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeGuyNamedMark</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeGuyNamedMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe they can also stop suspending kids who bring in over-the-counter drugs and prescription drugs they actually need to take. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they can also stop suspending kids who bring in over-the-counter drugs and prescription drugs they actually need to take. </p>
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		<title>By: IronEdithKidd</title>
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		<dc:creator>IronEdithKidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no hate of arcane technology going on here, Cory&#039;s simply pointing out that &quot;zero-tolerance&quot; policies possess less processing power than a PET.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no hate of arcane technology going on here, Cory&#8217;s simply pointing out that &#8220;zero-tolerance&#8221; policies possess less processing power than a PET.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeGuyNamedMark</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeGuyNamedMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I support binary numbers and I vote!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I support binary numbers and I vote!</p>
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		<title>By: SomeGuyNamedMark</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/12/proposed-maryland-anti-zero-to.html#comment-1676845</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeGuyNamedMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> We need to stop giving kids the finger.</description>
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		<title>By: SomeGuyNamedMark</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/12/proposed-maryland-anti-zero-to.html#comment-1676844</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeGuyNamedMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> ...or the school district protecting itself from lawsuits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8230;or the school district protecting itself from lawsuits.</p>
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