Comments on: Reuters suspends employee accused of aiding Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2013/03/15/reuters-suspends-employee-accu.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sat, 18 May 2013 14:59:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: James Kelley http://boingboing.net/2013/03/15/reuters-suspends-employee-accu.html#comment-1681200 James Kelley Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:16:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219211#comment-1681200 You've focused so exclusively on the semantics of my statement that you run the risk of sounding like a uptight prick. That the potential punishment for turning over passwords to a hacker collective who neither caused real harm nor stole anything of real value could be commensurate with someone who compromised a clandestine network in an act of political retribution is what's wrong here. Who fucking cares if Libby was subject to 30 years?  He was sentenced to 30 months and didn't serve one minute. You’ve focused so exclusively on the semantics of my statement that you run the risk of sounding like a uptight prick.

That the potential punishment for turning over passwords to a hacker collective who neither caused real harm nor stole anything of real value could be commensurate with someone who compromised a clandestine network in an act of political retribution is what’s wrong here.

Who fucking cares if Libby was subject to 30 years?  He was sentenced to 30 months and didn’t serve one minute.

]]> By: Preston Sturges http://boingboing.net/2013/03/15/reuters-suspends-employee-accu.html#comment-1681176 Preston Sturges Sat, 16 Mar 2013 15:14:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219211#comment-1681176 Am I correct in believing all the incriminating correspondance took the form of emails? I shudder to think someone like that would be allowed to cross the street without an adult holding their hand. Am I correct in believing all the incriminating correspondance took the form of emails?

I shudder to think someone like that would be allowed to cross the street without an adult holding their hand.

]]> By: Preston Sturges http://boingboing.net/2013/03/15/reuters-suspends-employee-accu.html#comment-1681174 Preston Sturges Sat, 16 Mar 2013 15:08:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219211#comment-1681174 The odds overwhelmingly favor conservative political rat-fucks getting a pardon, and then riding the wingnut welfare gravy train to a life of guaranteed prosperity. The odds overwhelmingly favor conservative political rat-fucks getting a pardon, and then riding the wingnut welfare gravy train to a life of guaranteed prosperity.

]]> By: Stooge http://boingboing.net/2013/03/15/reuters-suspends-employee-accu.html#comment-1681092 Stooge Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:23:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219211#comment-1681092 That is such an abysmally constructed argument you run the risk of looking like a strawman sockpuppet. What other reason could you possibly have for comparing an actual sentence in one case with the total of maximum possible sentences for each charge in another case that has yet to be tried? Did you not know that Libby faced up to 30 years before trial, or were you just pretending? That is such an abysmally constructed argument you run the risk of looking like a strawman sockpuppet.

What other reason could you possibly have for comparing an actual sentence in one case with the total of maximum possible sentences for each charge in another case that has yet to be tried?

Did you not know that Libby faced up to 30 years before trial, or were you just pretending?

]]> By: That_Anonymous_Coward http://boingboing.net/2013/03/15/reuters-suspends-employee-accu.html#comment-1680968 That_Anonymous_Coward Sat, 16 Mar 2013 04:29:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219211#comment-1680968 There is a whole Department of it... I just don't think they use the same definition the rest of us use. There is a whole Department of it…
I just don’t think they use the same definition the rest of us use.

]]> By: Charlie Coombs http://boingboing.net/2013/03/15/reuters-suspends-employee-accu.html#comment-1680967 Charlie Coombs Sat, 16 Mar 2013 04:27:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219211#comment-1680967 OFF TOPIC WARNING: Exactly. It's more illegal to rob a liquor store than it is to ruin the nation's economy through fraudulent practices. Sometimes big companies and banks are fined for their misdeeds, but typically if you look at the size of the fine versus how much they made violating the law, the fines become incentives for fraud. They provide a nice, no personal consequences out for fraud. Who wouldn't pay a 100k to make a million or more? That seems more like profit sharing than a fine.  http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2010/06/15/206151/the-exxon-valdez-spill-bp-escrow/?mobile=nc OFF TOPIC WARNING: Exactly. It’s more illegal to rob a liquor store than it is to ruin the nation’s economy through fraudulent practices. Sometimes big companies and banks are fined for their misdeeds, but typically if you look at the size of the fine versus how much they made violating the law, the fines become incentives for fraud. They provide a nice, no personal consequences out for fraud. Who wouldn’t pay a 100k to make a million or more? That seems more like profit sharing than a fine. 

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2010/06/15/206151/the-exxon-valdez-spill-bp-escrow/?mobile=nc

]]> By: James Kelley http://boingboing.net/2013/03/15/reuters-suspends-employee-accu.html#comment-1680960 James Kelley Sat, 16 Mar 2013 04:17:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219211#comment-1680960 30 years for this?  It's odd that Scooter Libby got 30 months for his role in exposing an undercover CIA agent and effectively destroying her network of informants in Iran, while this guy have his password and some hackers defaced a website for 15 minutes.  There is no justice in this country. 30 years for this?  It’s odd that Scooter Libby got 30 months for his role in exposing an undercover CIA agent and effectively destroying her network of informants in Iran, while this guy have his password and some hackers defaced a website for 15 minutes.  There is no justice in this country.

]]> By: That_Anonymous_Coward http://boingboing.net/2013/03/15/reuters-suspends-employee-accu.html#comment-1680954 That_Anonymous_Coward Sat, 16 Mar 2013 04:03:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219211#comment-1680954 Sabu who is facing a quadrillion years in prison is naming names... totally trustworthy source and 1 yr a minute is TOTALLY the right level of punishment... Bankers who ruined the economy, got nifty loans, and still think they did nothing wrong are facing harsh looks from the people they drive over in their limos. Something might be off here but I can't put my finger on it... Sabu who is facing a quadrillion years in prison is naming names… totally trustworthy source and 1 yr a minute is TOTALLY the right level of punishment…

Bankers who ruined the economy, got nifty loans, and still think they did nothing wrong are facing harsh looks from the people they drive over in their limos.

Something might be off here but I can’t put my finger on it…

]]> By: Boundegar http://boingboing.net/2013/03/15/reuters-suspends-employee-accu.html#comment-1680759 Boundegar Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:43:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219211#comment-1680759 Also a small matter of presumption of innocence.  Is this guy convicted, or is he just a guy who was accused by a guy who says he's Anon but now he's a snitch? Suspension with pay seems like a reasonable compromise between turning a blind eye and the underside of the bus. Also a small matter of presumption of innocence.  Is this guy convicted, or is he just a guy who was accused by a guy who says he’s Anon but now he’s a snitch? Suspension with pay seems like a reasonable compromise between turning a blind eye and the underside of the bus.

]]> By: GeekMan http://boingboing.net/2013/03/15/reuters-suspends-employee-accu.html#comment-1680635 GeekMan Fri, 15 Mar 2013 22:02:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219211#comment-1680635 Okayyy... gonna have to put on my sysadmin hat here. And let me also preface by saying I'm a huge sympathizer of Aaron Swartz, and think that the case against him was absolutely trumped up and awful. This is completely different however: Keys had some sour grapes against a former employer. So he handed over his password and encouraged a notorious hacker group to go in and, (I'm quoting the article here) "fuck some shit up".  Part of the reason US law needs a better definition of "hacking" (which isn't even a real technical term) is that we clearly can't see the difference between someone going into a library and using a wagon to take out more materials than they're supposedly allowed to (Swartz), and someone who gives the keys for the library to a bunch of punks and encourages them to vandalize it after hours (Keys). EDIT: Reading comprehension fail. Looked at the earliest article, not the summary. If Keys wasn't working for Reuters yet that it seems pretty open and shut, no? Okayyy… gonna have to put on my sysadmin hat here. And let me also preface by saying I’m a huge sympathizer of Aaron Swartz, and think that the case against him was absolutely trumped up and awful.

This is completely different however: Keys had some sour grapes against a former employer. So he handed over his password and encouraged a notorious hacker group to go in and, (I’m quoting the article here) “fuck some shit up”. 

Part of the reason US law needs a better definition of “hacking” (which isn’t even a real technical term) is that we clearly can’t see the difference between someone going into a library and using a wagon to take out more materials than they’re supposedly allowed to (Swartz), and someone who gives the keys for the library to a bunch of punks and encourages them to vandalize it after hours (Keys).

EDIT: Reading comprehension fail. Looked at the earliest article, not the summary. If Keys wasn’t working for Reuters yet that it seems pretty open and shut, no?

]]> By: TooGoodToCheck http://boingboing.net/2013/03/15/reuters-suspends-employee-accu.html#comment-1680588 TooGoodToCheck Fri, 15 Mar 2013 21:24:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219211#comment-1680588 I guess there are shittier things that can happen than suspended with pay. Honestly more reasonable than what I expected. I guess there are shittier things that can happen than suspended with pay. Honestly more reasonable than what I expected.

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