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	<title>Comments on: What is good and important about&#160;steampunk</title>
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		<title>By: Gerald Mander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Mander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, when punks start using OG and &quot;what up with that,&quot; all is right with the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, when punks start using OG and &#8220;what up with that,&#8221; all is right with the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Wham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilbert Wham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Just the feeling of &#039;Not Citrix, but something that wohohohohooooorkssss! Puleeeeeaaaaazzzze!!!&#039; would probably help ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Just the feeling of &#8216;Not Citrix, but something that wohohohohooooorkssss! Puleeeeeaaaaazzzze!!!&#8217; would probably help ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Wham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilbert Wham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &#039;Making people wildly upset&#039; is as good a reason as anything to do stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8217;Making people wildly upset&#8217; is as good a reason as anything to do stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re correct.  In recent years, Steampunk has become that.  

What originally began as sci fi lit morphed into gadgets and an entire maker/artist genre. 

The once thoroughly unique has recently given way to cosplay, LARP, dress up cons. 

The art will continue to be explored but the the cons, IMHO are completely ruining it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re correct.  In recent years, Steampunk has become that.  </p>
<p>What originally began as sci fi lit morphed into gadgets and an entire maker/artist genre. </p>
<p>The once thoroughly unique has recently given way to cosplay, LARP, dress up cons. </p>
<p>The art will continue to be explored but the the cons, IMHO are completely ruining it.</p>
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		<title>By: Beanolini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beanolini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Steampunk&quot; was a tongue-in-cheek dig [...] in the 1990s as a joke marketing term&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://boingboing.net/2011/03/01/the-birth-of-steampu.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1987, apparently&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s intriguing that it languished for 20 years as a minor corner of genre fiction before becoming a folksy fashion movement.

And just like 1970s punk, the movement has appropriated the term and made it its own. Whether or not it &#039;understands the joke&#039; is irrelevant now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Steampunk&#8221; was a tongue-in-cheek dig [...] in the 1990s as a joke marketing term</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://boingboing.net/2011/03/01/the-birth-of-steampu.html" rel="nofollow">1987, apparently</a>. It&#8217;s intriguing that it languished for 20 years as a minor corner of genre fiction before becoming a folksy fashion movement.</p>
<p>And just like 1970s punk, the movement has appropriated the term and made it its own. Whether or not it &#8216;understands the joke&#8217; is irrelevant now.</p>
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		<title>By: Historybuff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Historybuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &quot;Steampunk&quot; was a tongue-in-cheek dig at the popular SF genre cyberpunk by one of the writers of Victorian fantasy (K.W. Jeter) in the 1990s as a joke marketing term. Sadly the name stuck. There was no punk originally and it&#039;s been shoe-horned in by clueless people who don&#039;t understand the joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8221;Steampunk&#8221; was a tongue-in-cheek dig at the popular SF genre cyberpunk by one of the writers of Victorian fantasy (K.W. Jeter) in the 1990s as a joke marketing term. Sadly the name stuck. There was no punk originally and it&#8217;s been shoe-horned in by clueless people who don&#8217;t understand the joke.</p>
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		<title>By: T-Boy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/18/what-is-good-and-important-abo.html#comment-1682669</link>
		<dc:creator>T-Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I juuuuust want to liiiiike stuuuuuuufffff! I don’t waaaaaant this poliiiiticssss! Waaaaaahhhh!”

And this is &lt;em&gt;before&lt;/em&gt; people are asked to &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; anything, you see. Yeah, just stuck at getting people to say “this stuff is problematic in some ways”, without qualifications like, “but -isms permeates society anyway, so why single out uuuuuuus?”

I mean, really — I admire Jhameia, Ay-leen, Moniquill and everyone in groups like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thesteampunkempire.com/group/steampunkpoc/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steampunk POC&lt;/a&gt; for putting up with this shit, but if I have to hear another white cisgender person do the equivalent of jamming their fingers into their ears and going “LA LA LA THERE’S NOTHING WRONG HERE LA LA LA”, I’ll… well, I guess I don’t want to engage. I got better things to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I juuuuust want to liiiiike stuuuuuuufffff! I don’t waaaaaant this poliiiiticssss! Waaaaaahhhh!”</p>
<p>And this is <em>before</em> people are asked to <em>do</em> anything, you see. Yeah, just stuck at getting people to say “this stuff is problematic in some ways”, without qualifications like, “but -isms permeates society anyway, so why single out uuuuuuus?”</p>
<p>I mean, really — I admire Jhameia, Ay-leen, Moniquill and everyone in groups like <a href="http://www.thesteampunkempire.com/group/steampunkpoc/" rel="nofollow">Steampunk POC</a> for putting up with this shit, but if I have to hear another white cisgender person do the equivalent of jamming their fingers into their ears and going “LA LA LA THERE’S NOTHING WRONG HERE LA LA LA”, I’ll… well, I guess I don’t want to engage. I got better things to do.</p>
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		<title>By: timquinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>timquinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just so y&#039;all know. When grungers started getting referred to as &#039;punk&#039; we OG punks were all like &quot;what up with that?&quot; but then my dad said the same thing to me, so . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so y&#8217;all know. When grungers started getting referred to as &#8216;punk&#8217; we OG punks were all like &#8220;what up with that?&#8221; but then my dad said the same thing to me, so . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Missy Pants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missy Pants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 00:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same people, different clothes. :)</description>
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		<title>By: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/18/what-is-good-and-important-abo.html#comment-1682495</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say that aside from the dimension of it that hankers for a time when stuff was beautifully made from brass and wood, it&#039;s mostly harking back to a period of history when significant technological advances could be made by some guy in his shed.

Before transistors came along, it wasn&#039;t necessary to have the resources of a huge company churning out black boxes from vast and complex factories to push the technological envelope; as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl-QMuUQhVM&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this video&lt;/a&gt; proves, a sufficiently skilled lone tinkerer could have been at the cutting edge back in the day.

That&#039;s a pretty damn cool notion. In fact, I gave my mate&#039;s girlfriend a total nerdgasm with it a few months back : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say that aside from the dimension of it that hankers for a time when stuff was beautifully made from brass and wood, it&#8217;s mostly harking back to a period of history when significant technological advances could be made by some guy in his shed.</p>
<p>Before transistors came along, it wasn&#8217;t necessary to have the resources of a huge company churning out black boxes from vast and complex factories to push the technological envelope; as <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl-QMuUQhVM" rel="nofollow">this video</a> proves, a sufficiently skilled lone tinkerer could have been at the cutting edge back in the day.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a pretty damn cool notion. In fact, I gave my mate&#8217;s girlfriend a total nerdgasm with it a few months back : )</p>
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		<title>By: griever</title>
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		<dc:creator>griever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 22:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my problem with the steampunk objects shown on here is that they are aethetic but non functioning: some simple device with a ton of cool looking dials that don&#039;t do anything and rivets as if it&#039;s under extreme pressure (ie steam-powered) but everything comes off just looking Disneyfied instead. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my problem with the steampunk objects shown on here is that they are aethetic but non functioning: some simple device with a ton of cool looking dials that don&#8217;t do anything and rivets as if it&#8217;s under extreme pressure (ie steam-powered) but everything comes off just looking Disneyfied instead. </p>
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		<title>By: Robert Cruickshank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Cruickshank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> That is exactly how i was picturing it, yes. Walking around on spider legs made out of an old umbrella, and bits of typewriter. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> That is exactly how i was picturing it, yes. Walking around on spider legs made out of an old umbrella, and bits of typewriter. </p>
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		<title>By: schlocktober</title>
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		<dc:creator>schlocktober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post was totally defensive. Even Cory knows that steampunk is lame enough to require justification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post was totally defensive. Even Cory knows that steampunk is lame enough to require justification.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Billings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Billings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Except makers can choose what to make and how to learn those skills. How do they choose to contribute to your lofty enterprise? Is there a well understood and consumable path for doing so or do you expect everyone to quit their jobs and join an NGO somewhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Except makers can choose what to make and how to learn those skills. How do they choose to contribute to your lofty enterprise? Is there a well understood and consumable path for doing so or do you expect everyone to quit their jobs and join an NGO somewhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Lupus_Yonderboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lupus_Yonderboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, I had a movement right then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, I had a movement right then.</p>
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		<title>By: paulcarcosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulcarcosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is just a reference to cyber punk (which had some rather coincidental connections to the punk subculture). 

Steampunk got rid of the cyber and the punk elements while retaining some of the attitude.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is just a reference to cyber punk (which had some rather coincidental connections to the punk subculture). </p>
<p>Steampunk got rid of the cyber and the punk elements while retaining some of the attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Mander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Mander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find steampunk to be nostalgic escapism that romanticizes a notion of technology as containable, understandable, and clearer in its application and impact than digital technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find steampunk to be nostalgic escapism that romanticizes a notion of technology as containable, understandable, and clearer in its application and impact than digital technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the value I see in Steampunk is remembering that presentation is important. As someone who does all her work on a computer via Citrix, I find myself longing for the feel of a pencil on paper (I&#039;ll do arithmetic longhand, or write out some of my notes, because I want to *feel* it.) Steampunk, with leather and brass and glass and knobs and things, appeals to the sensory side of me. Yes, the iPhone is beautiful in its simplicity, but sometimes I want something with heft and texture and little curlicues to engage my senses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the value I see in Steampunk is remembering that presentation is important. As someone who does all her work on a computer via Citrix, I find myself longing for the feel of a pencil on paper (I&#8217;ll do arithmetic longhand, or write out some of my notes, because I want to *feel* it.) Steampunk, with leather and brass and glass and knobs and things, appeals to the sensory side of me. Yes, the iPhone is beautiful in its simplicity, but sometimes I want something with heft and texture and little curlicues to engage my senses.</p>
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		<title>By: Lexicat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lexicat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear god, whilst i enjoy the edwardian gaslight fantasy as much as the next geek, the term &quot;steampunk&quot; makes me cringe every time i read it for exactly that reason: it is not punk.
punk is important. st... stea... edwardiangaslightfantasy has its own merits. the intersection of the two could be interesting (much like the intersection between sf and punk which produced cyberpunk which arguably was some kind of intersection of both), but the term &#039;steampunk&#039; feels like so much vacuous attention-getting branding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear god, whilst i enjoy the edwardian gaslight fantasy as much as the next geek, the term &#8220;steampunk&#8221; makes me cringe every time i read it for exactly that reason: it is not punk.<br />
punk is important. st&#8230; stea&#8230; edwardiangaslightfantasy has its own merits. the intersection of the two could be interesting (much like the intersection between sf and punk which produced cyberpunk which arguably was some kind of intersection of both), but the term &#8216;steampunk&#8217; feels like so much vacuous attention-getting branding.</p>
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		<title>By: pt68</title>
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		<dc:creator>pt68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed! I always see Steampunk as mostly cosplay, with a small group within it that likes to build functional stuff that suits the technology of the fetishized period. 
Love the idea of anybody wanting to learn to build useful things (and that includes art projects as well as tools and crafty bits), but steampunk at it&#039;s Victorian/Edwardian heart is just dress-up.  
The guys at Survival Research Labs are as concerned with the basic technologies from that era, just with a different esthetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed! I always see Steampunk as mostly cosplay, with a small group within it that likes to build functional stuff that suits the technology of the fetishized period.<br />
Love the idea of anybody wanting to learn to build useful things (and that includes art projects as well as tools and crafty bits), but steampunk at it&#8217;s Victorian/Edwardian heart is just dress-up. <br />
The guys at Survival Research Labs are as concerned with the basic technologies from that era, just with a different esthetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaleberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fetishization of consumer products is nothing new. The Victorian era with its mass media and rising living standards created a broad middle class full of collectors and decorators. The big change was from 1870 to 1920 when manufacturing became a thousand times more efficient and broadened the consumer class to include almost everyone. Soaring agricultural productivity led to mass urbanization along with changing societal and sexual mores. 

I like the playful aspect of steam punk, so I mainly focus on it as an artistic thing. Let&#039;s face it, our machines are so much better it isn&#039;t funny, but those old fashioned knobs and gears and levers look really cool. You can actually see how the machine works.

Given some of the horrible political reactions to modernity, including the current situation in Europe and the gridlock in Congress, I think steam punk politics is a bit of a side show. Still it&#039;s nice to know that the esthetic can be associated with a broad political field. After all, the first steam punk I ever saw was the Wild, Wild West which featured two government agents working for President Grant. The anarchists were the bad guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fetishization of consumer products is nothing new. The Victorian era with its mass media and rising living standards created a broad middle class full of collectors and decorators. The big change was from 1870 to 1920 when manufacturing became a thousand times more efficient and broadened the consumer class to include almost everyone. Soaring agricultural productivity led to mass urbanization along with changing societal and sexual mores. </p>
<p>I like the playful aspect of steam punk, so I mainly focus on it as an artistic thing. Let&#8217;s face it, our machines are so much better it isn&#8217;t funny, but those old fashioned knobs and gears and levers look really cool. You can actually see how the machine works.</p>
<p>Given some of the horrible political reactions to modernity, including the current situation in Europe and the gridlock in Congress, I think steam punk politics is a bit of a side show. Still it&#8217;s nice to know that the esthetic can be associated with a broad political field. After all, the first steam punk I ever saw was the Wild, Wild West which featured two government agents working for President Grant. The anarchists were the bad guys.</p>
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		<title>By: chadmulligan</title>
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		<dc:creator>chadmulligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, the most fascinating thing about steampunk is that it is primarily a craft-and-arts movement set in fictional SFnal worlds (with a literature component). It&#039;s similar to build-your-own fanfic with a few shared worldbuilding principles.

Making steampunk more significant than that is turning the molehill into Mount Everest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, the most fascinating thing about steampunk is that it is primarily a craft-and-arts movement set in fictional SFnal worlds (with a literature component). It&#8217;s similar to build-your-own fanfic with a few shared worldbuilding principles.</p>
<p>Making steampunk more significant than that is turning the molehill into Mount Everest.</p>
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		<title>By: JuicyLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JuicyLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Sweeney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steampunk: Hey, you&#039;re racist too, so let&#039;s just call it a wash.

White people are hilarious when penning apologetics for their particular proclivities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steampunk: Hey, you&#8217;re racist too, so let&#8217;s just call it a wash.</p>
<p>White people are hilarious when penning apologetics for their particular proclivities.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Saul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Saul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone done a sociological/psychological analysis of just how wildly upset those who hate steampunk get about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone done a sociological/psychological analysis of just how wildly upset those who hate steampunk get about it?</p>
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		<title>By: ZikZak</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZikZak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much like other subcultural movements, it&#039;s a mishmash of concepts and styles, each of which has its own separate identity, but which have all been grouped together under a general title because they seem to fit together aesthetically and philosophically, and often because they each draw inspiration from each other.

So yes, there is an ideological dimension to steampunk (generally anti-establishment/anarchist), but it is just as easily overlooked or de-emphasized in favor of other elements, like fashion or design.

Because our era is characterized by fetishization of consumer products and disinterest in political theory, it&#039;s no surprise that the movement is understood by most (including many &quot;adherents&quot;) as primarily about things like PC casemods and fancy outfits.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.steampunkmagazine.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steampunk Magazine&lt;/a&gt; has a good claim to being a formative influence, check it out to get a broader feel for what this steampunk thing is all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much like other subcultural movements, it&#8217;s a mishmash of concepts and styles, each of which has its own separate identity, but which have all been grouped together under a general title because they seem to fit together aesthetically and philosophically, and often because they each draw inspiration from each other.</p>
<p>So yes, there is an ideological dimension to steampunk (generally anti-establishment/anarchist), but it is just as easily overlooked or de-emphasized in favor of other elements, like fashion or design.</p>
<p>Because our era is characterized by fetishization of consumer products and disinterest in political theory, it&#8217;s no surprise that the movement is understood by most (including many &#8220;adherents&#8221;) as primarily about things like PC casemods and fancy outfits.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.steampunkmagazine.com/" rel="nofollow">Steampunk Magazine</a> has a good claim to being a formative influence, check it out to get a broader feel for what this steampunk thing is all about.</p>
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		<title>By: wysinwyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wysinwyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m comfortable ignoring you trying to concern troll what everyone does with their own lives.

(Maybe things would be different if there was the least bit of consensus about what &quot;all hands to the pumps&quot; means but there isn&#039;t.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m comfortable ignoring you trying to concern troll what everyone does with their own lives.</p>
<p>(Maybe things would be different if there was the least bit of consensus about what &#8220;all hands to the pumps&#8221; means but there isn&#8217;t.)</p>
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		<title>By: Snig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with what you say, though some modern day problem solving may involve old ideas.  Example being using balloons/sailing/windmill technology and concepts to harness wind energy.  This many decades into the nuclear age, it&#039;s neat that we&#039;re revisiting the topics.  But I agreee, Steampunk as fashion accesories because it&#039;s keen is not as helpful as making something useful.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what you say, though some modern day problem solving may involve old ideas.  Example being using balloons/sailing/windmill technology and concepts to harness wind energy.  This many decades into the nuclear age, it&#8217;s neat that we&#8217;re revisiting the topics.  But I agreee, Steampunk as fashion accesories because it&#8217;s keen is not as helpful as making something useful.  </p>
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		<title>By: T-Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>T-Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;does a good job of answering charges that steampunk is cover for racism and colonialism&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Beginning one&#039;s response to steampunk&#039;s complicity to racism and colonialism by saying that racism and colonialism is ubiquitous is about as good as saying that since dirt and filth is ubiquitous and no one can truly be free of it, therefore it is okay to not bathe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>does a good job of answering charges that steampunk is cover for racism and colonialism</p></blockquote>
<p>Beginning one&#8217;s response to steampunk&#8217;s complicity to racism and colonialism by saying that racism and colonialism is ubiquitous is about as good as saying that since dirt and filth is ubiquitous and no one can truly be free of it, therefore it is okay to not bathe.</p>
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		<title>By: Little Mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Little Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I first heard about Steampunk from my goth friends over a decade ago. Though many of those are LARPers too, so maybe there was a significant amount of crossover. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I first heard about Steampunk from my goth friends over a decade ago. Though many of those are LARPers too, so maybe there was a significant amount of crossover. </p>
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