Comments on: Homemade AR-15 rifle without a 3D printer http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sun, 26 May 2013 04:36:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: euansmith http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1684455 euansmith Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:29:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1684455 I had to make recourse to the Google Anti-Christ. I had to make recourse to the Google Anti-Christ.

]]> By: The Chemist http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1684134 The Chemist Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:18:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1684134 <blockquote> FYI, This is not remotely new or news.</blockquote> How did the hipster burn his tongue? He sipped his coffee before it was cool.

FYI, This is not remotely new or news.

How did the hipster burn his tongue?

He sipped his coffee before it was cool.

]]> By: The Chemist http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1684129 The Chemist Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:15:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1684129 <blockquote>IAALBIANYL</blockquote>Is it wrong that I'm proud of myself for figuring that one out on my own?

IAALBIANYL

Is it wrong that I’m proud of myself for figuring that one out on my own?

]]> By: Al Billings http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1684103 Al Billings Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:42:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1684103  Because he doesn't wants folks harassing him by name?  Because he doesn’t wants folks harassing him by name?

]]> By: Chip http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1684051 Chip Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:02:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1684051 I love watching folks get all bent out of shape about this, as if it's a new thing.  For less than $100 you can buy an AK "80% lower" kit that requires nothing more than basic hand tools (electric drill, hacksaw, files, and a tap & die set) to finish.  These have been around for decades and do not require a FFL.  And AKs are super cheap.  You can build a complete rifle for under $500 if you're not too concerned with quality. So all this hubabaloo over 3d printed AR lowers and people making their own "assault rifles" outside the law is hysterical.  It's been an option for those so inclined since forever, and wouldn't you know, it's never been a problem. If you're so inclined, here's a perfectly legal (probably, depending on where you live) kit to make your own Scary Black Rifle without any license or background check:  http://marshhawkarms.com/page2.html I love watching folks get all bent out of shape about this, as if it’s a new thing.  For less than $100 you can buy an AK “80% lower” kit that requires nothing more than basic hand tools (electric drill, hacksaw, files, and a tap & die set) to finish.  These have been around for decades and do not require a FFL.  And AKs are super cheap.  You can build a complete rifle for under $500 if you’re not too concerned with quality.

So all this hubabaloo over 3d printed AR lowers and people making their own “assault rifles” outside the law is hysterical.  It’s been an option for those so inclined since forever, and wouldn’t you know, it’s never been a problem.

If you’re so inclined, here’s a perfectly legal (probably, depending on where you live) kit to make your own Scary Black Rifle without any license or background check:  http://marshhawkarms.com/page2.html

]]> By: ChickieD http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683782 ChickieD Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:38:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683782 I think right now the real "killer app" (see what I did there?) is to make the magazines that are about to be made illegal. I think right now the real “killer app” (see what I did there?) is to make the magazines that are about to be made illegal.

]]> By: Matthew Petty http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683759 Matthew Petty Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:25:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683759 He should have pitched his voice up, just for fun He should have pitched his voice up, just for fun

]]> By: Anthony Irwin http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683734 Anthony Irwin Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:09:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683734 Yeah, let me get my industrial grade CNC mill out and I'll make some for a craft show... Yeah, let me get my industrial grade CNC mill out and I’ll make some for a craft show…

]]> By: Sigmund_Jung http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683612 Sigmund_Jung Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:32:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683612 Gun printing could easily do to 3D printing what adult videos did to VHS Gun printing could easily do to 3D printing what adult videos did to VHS

]]> By: donovan acree http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683573 donovan acree Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:58:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683573 Agreed. For some of us, it's not about how difficult something is to acquire  it's about the challenge and satisfaction of building a thing yourself. Agreed. For some of us, it’s not about how difficult something is to acquire  it’s about the challenge and satisfaction of building a thing yourself.

]]> By: electronicnonsense http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683476 electronicnonsense Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:26:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683476 This IS pertinent news, as it offers a counter balance to all of the 3D printed gun scare stories that are all over the place right now. I'm not sure if you even watched the video, but you basically just repeated what the guy in the video said. So if it's important enough for you to say in the comments, maybe it's worth saying in an easy to digest video for the purpose of informing people outside of the gun community who, by your own admission, didn't know already. You're basically here puffing out your chest, saying "I knew this before you guys did. So there!" Great, good for you. Next time add something to the conversation that's worth a crap, because we already knew what you had to say before we got to your comment. This IS pertinent news, as it offers a counter balance to all of the 3D printed gun scare stories that are all over the place right now.

I’m not sure if you even watched the video, but you basically just repeated what the guy in the video said. So if it’s important enough for you to say in the comments, maybe it’s worth saying in an easy to digest video for the purpose of informing people outside of the gun community who, by your own admission, didn’t know already.

You’re basically here puffing out your chest, saying “I knew this before you guys did. So there!” Great, good for you. Next time add something to the conversation that’s worth a crap, because we already knew what you had to say before we got to your comment.

]]> By: spacedmonkey http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683369 spacedmonkey Wed, 20 Mar 2013 02:23:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683369 And why shouldn't one make their own guns?   Just asking, because you seem to have assumed something that is by no means obvious to me. And why shouldn’t one make their own guns?   Just asking, because you seem to have assumed something that is by no means obvious to me.

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683370 Antinous / Moderator Wed, 20 Mar 2013 02:23:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683370 That's already been identified as a threat to national security and a reason for use of deadly force, no? That’s already been identified as a threat to national security and a reason for use of deadly force, no?

]]> By: ryuthrowsstuff http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683359 ryuthrowsstuff Wed, 20 Mar 2013 01:59:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683359 Or how geeky you want to get about it. I've met people who've made Kentucky long rifles with hand tools largely from scratch. Down to making their own steel. I don't think muzzle loaders are much to worry about. But I wouldn't assume its beyond the pale for the same impulse to be applied to something more modern. Or how geeky you want to get about it. I’ve met people who’ve made Kentucky long rifles with hand tools largely from scratch. Down to making their own steel. I don’t think muzzle loaders are much to worry about. But I wouldn’t assume its beyond the pale for the same impulse to be applied to something more modern.

]]> By: timquinn http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683358 timquinn Wed, 20 Mar 2013 01:57:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683358 I'm just going to stick with throwing rocks. I’m just going to stick with throwing rocks.

]]> By: kringlebertfistyebuns http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683346 kringlebertfistyebuns Wed, 20 Mar 2013 01:34:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683346 I guess it would depend on how badly you wanted the weapon, and how difficult it was to obtain via other means.   I guess it would depend on how badly you wanted the weapon, and how difficult it was to obtain via other means.  

]]> By: Daemonworks http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683345 Daemonworks Wed, 20 Mar 2013 01:33:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683345  Branding. Can't market yourself as an anti-government type without making it look like you're worried they're going to come down on you.  Branding. Can’t market yourself as an anti-government type without making it look like you’re worried they’re going to come down on you.

]]> By: Eark_the_Bunny http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683305 Eark_the_Bunny Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:51:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683305 Just because one can do something does not mean one should. Just because one can do something does not mean one should.

]]> By: max00 http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683299 max00 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:43:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683299  Are you certain a lawyer wrote that faq? Or are you saying that the legal system would parse it up in that manner? Anyway, if you're a lawyer, what is the actual case law, that seems more interesting that quibbling over the language in the faq?  Are you certain a lawyer wrote that faq? Or are you saying that the legal system would parse it up in that manner?

Anyway, if you’re a lawyer, what is the actual case law, that seems more interesting that quibbling over the language in the faq?

]]> By: rvernon http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683290 rvernon Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:31:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683290 The buffer tube thread would be a PITA.  I would hope 80% means they threaded that part of the receiver.   The buffer tube thread would be a PITA.  I would hope 80% means they threaded that part of the receiver.  

]]> By: Comedian http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683288 Comedian Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:29:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683288  The only intent that matters is your intent as regards sale at the time of manufacture. If you make an AR clone for personal use with no intent to sell it, tire of it a few years later and then sell it on to someone else you will not have run afoul of current U.S. federal law. (Analysis considers only current U.S. federal law and assumes use of only domestically produced components.  YMMV.  IAALBIANYL)  The only intent that matters is your intent as regards sale at the time of manufacture.

If you make an AR clone for personal use with no intent to sell it, tire of it a few years later and then sell it on to someone else you will not have run afoul of current U.S. federal law.

(Analysis considers only current U.S. federal law and assumes use of only domestically produced components.  YMMV.  IAALBIANYL)

]]> By: Comedian http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683281 Comedian Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:20:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683281 Note that the wording is "should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92" and not "must be identified as required by 27 CFR 478.92". They are referring to the marking requirement language only as a suggestion.  Should is permissive.  "In" is a reference to a suggestion of how one might choose to act. IAALBIANYL Note that the wording is “should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92″ and not “must be identified as required by 27 CFR 478.92″.

They are referring to the marking requirement language only as a suggestion.  Should is permissive.  “In” is a reference to a suggestion of how one might choose to act.

IAALBIANYL

]]> By: max00 http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683274 max00 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:12:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683274  But 27 CFR 478.92 applies to licensed manufacturers: http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/478.92 I no law and no look, but I imagine the case is that a licensed manufacturer that is prepared to add his stamp is about the only person that can legally buy such a gun.  But 27 CFR 478.92 applies to licensed manufacturers:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/478.92

I no law and no look, but I imagine the case is that a licensed manufacturer that is prepared to add his stamp is about the only person that can legally buy such a gun.

]]> By: Comedian http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683263 Comedian Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:56:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683263 That's a lot of wrong. "Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 <b>if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future.</b>" http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html That’s a lot of wrong.

“Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future.”

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html

]]> By: The Raven http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683253 The Raven Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:44:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683253 Circle, circle, circle, … It's legal to make one, sure. Want to try it out? …Circle, circle, circle… Circle, circle, circle, …

It’s legal to make one, sure.

Want to try it out?

…Circle, circle, circle…

]]> By: Harold Smith http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683250 Harold Smith Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:41:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683250 Yes you can sell a gun that you make (under federal law). You just can't make them with the intention of selling them. Making a gun with the intention of selling it would be just like making straw purchases of guns (from a dealer) for other people.  Yes you can sell a gun that you make (under federal law). You just can’t make them with the intention of selling them. Making a gun with the intention of selling it would be just like making straw purchases of guns (from a dealer) for other people. 

]]> By: Notto OBitter http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683239 Notto OBitter Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:24:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683239 a company in redmond oregon will make an incomplete receiver that you finish. no serial number. no license. Catch? only you may hold or fire it. It must be destroyed when you die. You can get the ar-15 style in a 308 too. nice a company in redmond oregon will make an incomplete receiver that you finish. no serial number. no license. Catch? only you may hold or fire it. It must be destroyed when you die. You can get the ar-15 style in a 308 too. nice

]]> By: ryuthrowsstuff http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683233 ryuthrowsstuff Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:09:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683233 That's sort of ridiculous. Especially given the wide variety of instructional videos available on the subject: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=building+an+ar+15&oq=building+an+&gs_l=youtube.1.0.0l10.1274.2807.0.4563.12.8.0.4.4.0.96.592.8.8.0...0.0...1ac.1.IEMyFu7SZdI That’s sort of ridiculous. Especially given the wide variety of instructional videos available on the subject:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=building+an+ar+15&oq=building+an+&gs_l=youtube.1.0.0l10.1274.2807.0.4563.12.8.0.4.4.0.96.592.8.8.0…0.0…1ac.1.IEMyFu7SZdI

]]> By: Phanatic http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683234 Phanatic Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:09:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683234 Did you really just ask "If you're not doing anything illegal, then what do you have to hide"? Did you really just ask “If you’re not doing anything illegal, then what do you have to hide”?

]]> By: ryuthrowsstuff http://boingboing.net/2013/03/19/homemade-ar-15-rifle-without.html#comment-1683229 ryuthrowsstuff Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:05:00 +0000 http://boingboing.net/?p=219672#comment-1683229 I'm also sure if you were willing to take the time and put in the effort you could probably whittle what you need out of a block of metal with hand tools. It just wouldn't be worth the trouble. I’m also sure if you were willing to take the time and put in the effort you could probably whittle what you need out of a block of metal with hand tools. It just wouldn’t be worth the trouble.

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