Comments on: Genocide trial begins in Guatemala, for US-trained former dictator Rios Montt

By: Brad Bell

Brad Bell — Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:29:00 +0000

The United Fruit case in 1954 also famous as the first time a PR company – Edward Bernays’ – was employed to persuade US citizens to meddle in the affairs of another country on behalf of a corporation, a model of ‘engineering consent’ which we still rely on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays#Overthrow_of_government_of_Guatemala

Watch the fascinating Adam Curtis BBC doc on the subject, CENTURY OF THE SELF.
http://archive.org/details/TheCenturyOfTheSelf

Now I feel inspired to read Bernays’ essay, THE ENGINEERING OF CONSENT http://gromitinc.com/lego/Library/Engineering_of_consent.pdf
also available on archive.org

By: That_Anonymous_Coward

That_Anonymous_Coward — Thu, 21 Mar 2013 01:39:00 +0000

And many citizens of ‘Merika still can’t grasp why people in other countries hate us for bringing them freedom.

By: JonS

JonS — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:33:00 +0000

The article was correct then. Indiscriminate violence abruptly ended. And just as abruptly it was replaced with very discriminate violence.

By: ziggy

ziggy — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:41:00 +0000

I was in Guatemala in the early 80′s. In Guatemala City there was a curfew at night; you could smell fear, slice it with a knife. Real Danger. People disappeared. Several were taken in daytime from the hotel where I was staying, not to be seen again. A public shooting in the street, with nearby pedestrians continuing on, no one stopped. Thickened blood from that murder still in the street days later with bloody shoe tracks radiating outward.

Nebaj had many widows and children, surrounded by drunk, arrogant soldiers. A dull plodding in the face of extreme danger. Many homes with large black bows over the doorway, to show mourning. Men had been taken for execution in retaliation for a recent army ambush.

Jean-Marie Simon’s book, Guatemala - Eternal Spring – Eternal Tyranny, has images that convey a horror almost impossible to imagine. I was stopped from taking photographs by soldiers. Hers must be seen…

http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/02/a-testament-from-guatemalas-war-years/

By: Jose Lucero

Jose Lucero — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:23:00 +0000

I don’t believe there was a state sponsored genocide in Guatemala. I’m not denying the fact that both parties in this war commited atrocities and the massacre of civilian population. For these war crimes to be considered genocide proof must be presented that this people where killed just because they where of Quiche Ixil origin and that it was state policy at the time. This is not the case.

By: Antinous / Moderator

Antinous / Moderator — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:04:00 +0000

US foreign policy in a nutshell.

By: SwivelChair

SwivelChair — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:14:00 +0000

It all really started when the democratic government of Guatemala was overthrown at the behest of US company, United Fruit in 1954. United Fruit was of course well versed in getting the US government to do its bidding.

In 1928, Colombian United Fruit workers went on strike and the US government actually threatened to invade unless the Colombian government ended the strike. Many strikers died when the Colombian army was sent in. Just Google “Banana massacre”.

When you think of dictators in Central and South America, you probably think of Castro (and if you are stupid and easily brainwashed, you probably think of Chavez too), but actually most dictators in the region have been right wing and either installed or at least backed by the US.

By: Felipe Esquivel Reed

Felipe Esquivel Reed — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:47:00 +0000

Rot in hell.

By: Xeni Jardin

Xeni Jardin — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:30:00 +0000

Man. Chilling. Thanks for that link.

By: millie fink

millie fink — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:27:00 +0000

You know who else looked like a nice affable old man?

By: Nagurski

Nagurski — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:11:00 +0000

It’s really a great day when a monster like this is actually held to account for the atrocities he committed. Guatemala has a long way to go in establishing a peaceful civil society, but this is a huge step forward, and some measure of vindication for the thousands of Guatemalans whose lives were torn apart by ERM.

By: Guillaume REMY

Guillaume REMY — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:56:00 +0000

Relevant, I think:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LRGf4G1XnI

By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus

fuzzyfuzzyfungus — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:46:00 +0000

By definition, genocide is not indiscriminate violence. Rather, it is specifically discriminate violence with the aim of extirpating some specific group.

By: fuzzyfuzzyfungus

fuzzyfuzzyfungus — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:44:00 +0000

Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation

Better known during its glory days as the “School of the Americas” (or the ‘School of Assassins’ in honor of some of its illustrious alumni).

By: SomeGuyNamedMark

SomeGuyNamedMark — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:19:00 +0000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7cZuhqSzzc

By: CH

CH — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:06:00 +0000

So… if I wanted to become an Evil Overlord, what school should I apply to exactly? I assume there must be one in the US, and it seems to be pretty effective in producing dictators (to the point that I more or less assume that any dictator is a US schooled one). I’ve got lots of qualifications, I’ve even read the Evil Overlord List (although my Evol Plan checking 5yo is now 9… but I hope that doesn’t disqualify me)!

By: p1130

p1130 — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:02:00 +0000

http://www.nytimes.com/1982/04/21/world/us-seeks-to-improve-ties-with-guatemala.html

U.S. SEEKS TO IMPROVE TIES WITH GUATEMALA

The Reagan Administration indicated today that it hoped to establish a ”closer, more collaborative” relationship with the conservative military regime that seized power in Guatemala last month. Testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Inter-American Affairs, Stephen W. Bosworth, said the March 23 coup that ousted the hard-line Government of President Romeo Lucas Garcia ”may have ended the political paralysis which had gripped the country.” Mr. Bosworth said that the new junta, headed by Gen. Efrain Rios Montt, had adopted concrete measures against corruption and that indiscriminate violence ”has been brought virtually to an end.”

“Indiscriminate violence ‘has been brought virtually to an end.”

By: SomeGuyNamedMark

SomeGuyNamedMark — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:39:00 +0000

Whatever it takes to get that smirk off his face. I remember seeing a documentary about genocide where this guy was confronted. He never stopped acting innocent and smiling.

By: rocketpj

rocketpj — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:27:00 +0000

Well, in the early 60s the US spent a lot of money to get Diefenbaker defeated by Pearson (successfully) here in Canada.

It is necessary to be a lot sneakier when messing with your so-called ‘allies’, but it does happen.

That said, let Montt rot, the murderous monster.

By: sdmikev

sdmikev — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:17:00 +0000

Unfortunately, that is a short list. Between the US and the Brits, quite a few “unsavory” types have been given their own keys to their respective un-earned kingdoms

By: creesto

creesto — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:09:00 +0000

Montt, Noriega, Hussein…please: someone list the foreign leaders that the US has trained and installed that HAVEN’T been despotic…

By: blearghhh

blearghhh — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:01:00 +0000

But he looks like such a nice affable old man from the picture. How bad can he really be?