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	<title>Comments on: Space spy? NASA researcher, a Chinese national, arrested on plane bound for&#160;China</title>
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		<title>By: BobbyWong</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/20/space-spy-nasa-researcher-a.html#comment-1686082</link>
		<dc:creator>BobbyWong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s because he was questioned during layover, and he described what he had with him in the carry on.</description>
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		<title>By: BobbyWong</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobbyWong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NASA laptop was from a previous academic trip, and the use was cleared. Thanks to bias media effort to smear him, he had it on this trip (why wasn&#039;t he charged with stealing government property then?)

This is a witch hunt.

The FBI is using a trumped up charge to perform illegal search and seizure:

1) According to Bo Jiang’s friends (source MITBBS, an overseas scholar message board), Jiang went to NASA with his professor. His boss died in a car accident and his employment contract was not renewed. Without valid work visa Jiang had to go back to China (and there’s no reason to buy a round trip ticket.)

2) The lying to investigator charge is bogus. Jiang was questioned during a layover, and he described to the FBI what he had with him in the carry on. Now the FBI is charging him because he didn’t mention what was in the checked luggage? It’s not even omission based on the context of the conversation.

3) There’s a perfectly reasonable explanation why Jiang had two SIM cards – he canceled his cell phone contract and was using a prepaid SIM card for the last few weeks in the States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NASA laptop was from a previous academic trip, and the use was cleared. Thanks to bias media effort to smear him, he had it on this trip (why wasn&#8217;t he charged with stealing government property then?)</p>
<p>This is a witch hunt.</p>
<p>The FBI is using a trumped up charge to perform illegal search and seizure:</p>
<p>1) According to Bo Jiang’s friends (source MITBBS, an overseas scholar message board), Jiang went to NASA with his professor. His boss died in a car accident and his employment contract was not renewed. Without valid work visa Jiang had to go back to China (and there’s no reason to buy a round trip ticket.)</p>
<p>2) The lying to investigator charge is bogus. Jiang was questioned during a layover, and he described to the FBI what he had with him in the carry on. Now the FBI is charging him because he didn’t mention what was in the checked luggage? It’s not even omission based on the context of the conversation.</p>
<p>3) There’s a perfectly reasonable explanation why Jiang had two SIM cards – he canceled his cell phone contract and was using a prepaid SIM card for the last few weeks in the States.</p>
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		<title>By: oasisob1</title>
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		<dc:creator>oasisob1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That doesn&#039;t explain why you know so much about spies...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That doesn&#8217;t explain why you know so much about spies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: oasisob1</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/20/space-spy-nasa-researcher-a.html#comment-1686005</link>
		<dc:creator>oasisob1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh it&#039;s to be riddles, then?</description>
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		<title>By: HD</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/20/space-spy-nasa-researcher-a.html#comment-1685648</link>
		<dc:creator>HD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 16:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or Qian Xuesen.

NASA employees and contractors travel overseas with their laptops all the time.  Every laptop has FDE, donchaknow, and we&#039;ve all been background checked out the wazoo.

Seriously, all sarcasm aside (and there was meant to be a lot there, based on NASA losing ten of thousands of employees PII recently, and losing the HSPD-12 privacy battle at the Supreme Court), NASA employees/contractors travel with their laptops overseas all the time.  My boss would be quite disappointed if I was unable to answer email even on a personal trip.  It&#039;s not against policy, though they would like for you to take a clean loaner, especially to designated countries (and I probably would to China, but not to Germany).  But given that that&#039;s a huge PITA and time sink, and the loaners frankly suck (years old and banged up), most people just take their laptops to most places.

Most of the work that NASA does is not classified, and only ITAR restricted because Congress panicked at an earlier time and made everything ITAR restricted and export controlled.  Most of what NASA does with your tax dollars is meant to be published.

I think it was Hitchcock who said, &quot;If you and your wife go on a cruise, book a return ticket for two, no matter your intentions.&quot;  It&#039;s a poor spy, or spy handler who doesn&#039;t know that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or Qian Xuesen.</p>
<p>NASA employees and contractors travel overseas with their laptops all the time.  Every laptop has FDE, donchaknow, and we&#8217;ve all been background checked out the wazoo.</p>
<p>Seriously, all sarcasm aside (and there was meant to be a lot there, based on NASA losing ten of thousands of employees PII recently, and losing the HSPD-12 privacy battle at the Supreme Court), NASA employees/contractors travel with their laptops overseas all the time.  My boss would be quite disappointed if I was unable to answer email even on a personal trip.  It&#8217;s not against policy, though they would like for you to take a clean loaner, especially to designated countries (and I probably would to China, but not to Germany).  But given that that&#8217;s a huge PITA and time sink, and the loaners frankly suck (years old and banged up), most people just take their laptops to most places.</p>
<p>Most of the work that NASA does is not classified, and only ITAR restricted because Congress panicked at an earlier time and made everything ITAR restricted and export controlled.  Most of what NASA does with your tax dollars is meant to be published.</p>
<p>I think it was Hitchcock who said, &#8220;If you and your wife go on a cruise, book a return ticket for two, no matter your intentions.&#8221;  It&#8217;s a poor spy, or spy handler who doesn&#8217;t know that.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You (by which I mean the government) can&#039;t use &quot;foreign national&quot; as a reason to arrest someone and, at the same time, spout reasons why they&#039;re good hires.  It&#039;s one or the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You (by which I mean the government) can&#8217;t use &#8220;foreign national&#8221; as a reason to arrest someone and, at the same time, spout reasons why they&#8217;re good hires.  It&#8217;s one or the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s so last century.  They can do whatever they want.  Just make up a new category of doesn&#039;t-get-a-trial and they&#039;re done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s so last century.  They can do whatever they want.  Just make up a new category of doesn&#8217;t-get-a-trial and they&#8217;re done.</p>
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		<title>By: jgs</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/20/space-spy-nasa-researcher-a.html#comment-1684499</link>
		<dc:creator>jgs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; knowing this scenario exists, why is NASA hiring chinese nationals?



Maybe because there are a lot of smart, talented, highly-educated Chinese nationals who want jobs? And because Chinese nationals are not unique in their vulnerability to blackmail?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; knowing this scenario exists, why is NASA hiring chinese nationals?</p>
<p>Maybe because there are a lot of smart, talented, highly-educated Chinese nationals who want jobs? And because Chinese nationals are not unique in their vulnerability to blackmail?</p>
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		<title>By: lasermike026</title>
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		<dc:creator>lasermike026</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s innocent until proven guilty.  The state can prove their case or take a walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s innocent until proven guilty.  The state can prove their case or take a walk.</p>
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		<title>By: naufragio</title>
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		<dc:creator>naufragio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 03:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a flight from Dulles airport (in DC)&quot; 

Just to be pedantic, Dulles is in Virginia, about 30 miles outside D.C. But yes, in the D.C. area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a flight from Dulles airport (in DC)&#8221; </p>
<p>Just to be pedantic, Dulles is in Virginia, about 30 miles outside D.C. But yes, in the D.C. area.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Eyre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Eyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exactly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exactly</p>
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		<title>By: Al Billings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Billings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> ha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> ha!</p>
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		<title>By: Zhou Fang</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/20/space-spy-nasa-researcher-a.html#comment-1684264</link>
		<dc:creator>Zhou Fang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 01:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read enough John le Carre novels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read enough John le Carre novels.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 00:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure that describes many spying situations.  Also suicide bomber situations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that describes many spying situations.  Also suicide bomber situations.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Stark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Stark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 00:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where NASA was employing a Chinese national, then they have invited China to send an agent to work with them.  Turning around and accusing an agent of doing his job is entrapment.

Those who should be arrested are those who hired a Chinese national and granted access to sensitive data and/or equipment, as well as they who set up the trap to accuse him of impropriety.

They must prove that there was no communication issue when he was arrested for admitting he has various electronica media like all people do.

I suggest American spies in China should beware of fair responses from their host.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where NASA was employing a Chinese national, then they have invited China to send an agent to work with them.  Turning around and accusing an agent of doing his job is entrapment.</p>
<p>Those who should be arrested are those who hired a Chinese national and granted access to sensitive data and/or equipment, as well as they who set up the trap to accuse him of impropriety.</p>
<p>They must prove that there was no communication issue when he was arrested for admitting he has various electronica media like all people do.</p>
<p>I suggest American spies in China should beware of fair responses from their host.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Billings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Billings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> You know a lot about spies, Zhou...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> You know a lot about spies, Zhou&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rindan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rindan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 00:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whisking someone off to a dark hole in the ground really only makes sense if they know something.  There is a difference between a spy and an informant.  A spy knows spy craft, has a covert identity, and is trained to be by a spy by a spy agency.  An informant is just a dupe who got talked into making a grab at some information.  Informants are more or less worthless for anything other than international point scoring.  They are kept intentionally in the dark so that if they get nabbed there is nothing of value to tell.

I have a feeling that this guy is an idiot, informant, or both. 

He might just be an idiot who thought bringing a NASA computer to China would be a good idea so that he could get some work done.  In that case, he gets a firm slap on the wrists, gets fired for a security breach, and the story is over.  

He also might be an informant.  He might have gotten the job naturally enough, and then through either patriotic duty, coercion, or bribes decided to sell information.  If he turns out to be an informant, the value of busting him publicly is that the US gets to wring its hands about hackers and spies.  It is tit-for-tat point scoring.

I personally think he might be both an idiot and an informer who was trying to passing on unsolicited information.  I have a really hard time swallowing that an informant with an actual Chinese spy handler would let him jump on an airplane with a NASA laptop.  It would be a thousand times easier to just hand the laptop off, toss it in a diplomats bags, and call it a day.

He sends some e-mail to his cousin about how he is going to totally score some cash or a job in the Chinese space program by bringing them stolen information.  The feds are reading his mail and conclude that he has no actual contact with Chinese officials.  They nab him on the way out publicly because there is nothing to gain by doing it quietly.  Better to call him a spy (even if China never asked for it) and score a few PR points than just toss him out of the country and calling it a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whisking someone off to a dark hole in the ground really only makes sense if they know something.  There is a difference between a spy and an informant.  A spy knows spy craft, has a covert identity, and is trained to be by a spy by a spy agency.  An informant is just a dupe who got talked into making a grab at some information.  Informants are more or less worthless for anything other than international point scoring.  They are kept intentionally in the dark so that if they get nabbed there is nothing of value to tell.</p>
<p>I have a feeling that this guy is an idiot, informant, or both. </p>
<p>He might just be an idiot who thought bringing a NASA computer to China would be a good idea so that he could get some work done.  In that case, he gets a firm slap on the wrists, gets fired for a security breach, and the story is over.  </p>
<p>He also might be an informant.  He might have gotten the job naturally enough, and then through either patriotic duty, coercion, or bribes decided to sell information.  If he turns out to be an informant, the value of busting him publicly is that the US gets to wring its hands about hackers and spies.  It is tit-for-tat point scoring.</p>
<p>I personally think he might be both an idiot and an informer who was trying to passing on unsolicited information.  I have a really hard time swallowing that an informant with an actual Chinese spy handler would let him jump on an airplane with a NASA laptop.  It would be a thousand times easier to just hand the laptop off, toss it in a diplomats bags, and call it a day.</p>
<p>He sends some e-mail to his cousin about how he is going to totally score some cash or a job in the Chinese space program by bringing them stolen information.  The feds are reading his mail and conclude that he has no actual contact with Chinese officials.  They nab him on the way out publicly because there is nothing to gain by doing it quietly.  Better to call him a spy (even if China never asked for it) and score a few PR points than just toss him out of the country and calling it a day.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren_Terra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren_Terra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d think a one-way ticket would be an obvious and notorious red flag, such that malefactors would avoid it - but the 9/11 hijackers had one-way tickets, and iirc the Shoe Bomber did as well, some years later.

I flew halfway across the country a few months after 9/11, to pick up a car; that one-way ticket definitely got me extra scrutiny, and I&#039;m about as obviously harmless as they come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d think a one-way ticket would be an obvious and notorious red flag, such that malefactors would avoid it &#8211; but the 9/11 hijackers had one-way tickets, and iirc the Shoe Bomber did as well, some years later.</p>
<p>I flew halfway across the country a few months after 9/11, to pick up a car; that one-way ticket definitely got me extra scrutiny, and I&#8217;m about as obviously harmless as they come.</p>
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		<title>By: kartwaffles</title>
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		<dc:creator>kartwaffles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Ouch. That&#039;s not the kind of &quot;family emergency&quot; I had in mind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Ouch. That&#8217;s not the kind of &#8220;family emergency&#8221; I had in mind&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Warren_Terra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren_Terra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible there is a language issue - in how Mandarin handles plural nouns, in how he might have heard the question, or in his accent or manner of response - that he might have in all honesty said he had a laptop and an external drive, meaning that he had laptops and external drives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible there is a language issue &#8211; in how Mandarin handles plural nouns, in how he might have heard the question, or in his accent or manner of response &#8211; that he might have in all honesty said he had a laptop and an external drive, meaning that he had laptops and external drives.</p>
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		<title>By: joshhaglund</title>
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		<dc:creator>joshhaglund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, you watch too many movies. We catch spies every few years. They do the public trial thing and everything, like justice is supposed to be in America.

It&#039;s weird that we&#039;ve gone so crazy with Manning and Guantanamo, when we have a history of treating spies like normal criminals in the past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_people_convicted_of_spying_for_the_Soviet_Union

edit: Manning is innocent, btw :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, you watch too many movies. We catch spies every few years. They do the public trial thing and everything, like justice is supposed to be in America.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s weird that we&#8217;ve gone so crazy with Manning and Guantanamo, when we have a history of treating spies like normal criminals in the past.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_people_convicted_of_spying_for_the_Soviet_Union" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_people_convicted_of_spying_for_the_Soviet_Union</a></p>
<p>edit: Manning is innocent, btw :)</p>
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		<title>By: rocketpj</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> This.  Real spies that are caught disappear into dark rooms for interrogation and nobody is ever the wiser.  If it is in the light it is for some other reason.

The fact we know about this guys suggests he is just a schlub.  A poor, doomed totally fucked schlub, since once you have been labelled there is no turning back.  

Just because his name is Buttle and not Tuttle...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> This.  Real spies that are caught disappear into dark rooms for interrogation and nobody is ever the wiser.  If it is in the light it is for some other reason.</p>
<p>The fact we know about this guys suggests he is just a schlub.  A poor, doomed totally fucked schlub, since once you have been labelled there is no turning back.  </p>
<p>Just because his name is Buttle and not Tuttle&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: libelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>libelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you too young to remember the Cold War, SOP before going into discussions about freeing one of your spies who had been arrested by the enemy was to counter-arrest someone who was of value to them and accuse that person of being a spy. Another related tactic was to arrest an asset just before going into negotiations and use them as an additional bargaining chip.

With Kerry going to China soon, and with &quot;cyber-espionage&quot; on his docket of things to discuss, I&#039;d guess that this might be a case of the latter.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you too young to remember the Cold War, SOP before going into discussions about freeing one of your spies who had been arrested by the enemy was to counter-arrest someone who was of value to them and accuse that person of being a spy. Another related tactic was to arrest an asset just before going into negotiations and use them as an additional bargaining chip.</p>
<p>With Kerry going to China soon, and with &#8220;cyber-espionage&#8221; on his docket of things to discuss, I&#8217;d guess that this might be a case of the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At my previous employer it was a requirement for any company laptop taken to China to have full disk encryption. It could be argued that taking a laptop without encryption is the same as giving the contents away, even if you had no intention of doing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At my previous employer it was a requirement for any company laptop taken to China to have full disk encryption. It could be argued that taking a laptop without encryption is the same as giving the contents away, even if you had no intention of doing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He might do that if he expected to get a cheaper ticket in China for the return flight to the US. My wife&#039;s family tend to buy their AU-MY tickets in Malaysia because they are much cheaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He might do that if he expected to get a cheaper ticket in China for the return flight to the US. My wife&#8217;s family tend to buy their AU-MY tickets in Malaysia because they are much cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Zhou Fang</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the strongest argument that this is rubbish is that we are hearing about it at all. If they thought this guy was a spy, he would be in a secret FBI facility getting the full Bradley Manning experience right now, with trained interrogators milking him for every detail on his computer passwords, contacts, handlers, whether he can be turned to being a double agent, whether they can obtained a signed and recorded confession to embarrass and expose alleged Chinese espionage once and for all. 

Multiple US government departments would be sitting on this, and there&#039;d be a wall of secrecy on this guy five miles thick. That we&#039;re hearing rumours about him forgetting to report 2 laptops instead of 1 (very easily seen in airport xrays) suggests to be that they&#039;ve got zilch, and it&#039;s just a matter of milking the appearance of an incident for party political advantage.

Bold prediction: there will turn out to be insufficient evidence or he&#039;ll be exonerated, but he&#039;ll get fired anyway, but by then the news cycle will have moved on and no one will care about following up. You&#039;ll see him referred to again a few years hence in the blogosphere and congress as a proven example of a spy, and so an urban legend is born.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the strongest argument that this is rubbish is that we are hearing about it at all. If they thought this guy was a spy, he would be in a secret FBI facility getting the full Bradley Manning experience right now, with trained interrogators milking him for every detail on his computer passwords, contacts, handlers, whether he can be turned to being a double agent, whether they can obtained a signed and recorded confession to embarrass and expose alleged Chinese espionage once and for all. </p>
<p>Multiple US government departments would be sitting on this, and there&#8217;d be a wall of secrecy on this guy five miles thick. That we&#8217;re hearing rumours about him forgetting to report 2 laptops instead of 1 (very easily seen in airport xrays) suggests to be that they&#8217;ve got zilch, and it&#8217;s just a matter of milking the appearance of an incident for party political advantage.</p>
<p>Bold prediction: there will turn out to be insufficient evidence or he&#8217;ll be exonerated, but he&#8217;ll get fired anyway, but by then the news cycle will have moved on and no one will care about following up. You&#8217;ll see him referred to again a few years hence in the blogosphere and congress as a proven example of a spy, and so an urban legend is born.</p>
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		<title>By: Preston Sturges</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago I met someone from an early internet company and I asked him about Chinese espionage.  he said they had caught a couple Chinese employees spying on them. 

I asked what happened and he said &quot;They were acquired by the US government.&quot; 

I asked &quot;What does &quot;acquired&quot; mean?&quot;

He said &quot;Let&#039;s just say that the Men In Black are real.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago I met someone from an early internet company and I asked him about Chinese espionage.  he said they had caught a couple Chinese employees spying on them. </p>
<p>I asked what happened and he said &#8220;They were acquired by the US government.&#8221; </p>
<p>I asked &#8220;What does &#8220;acquired&#8221; mean?&#8221;</p>
<p>He said &#8220;Let&#8217;s just say that the Men In Black are real.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Zhou Fang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zhou Fang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spies have handlers. Easier in this case to drop off the laptop behind some bins one night and have some tourist bring it (or a copy) back, than have your intel asset deliver it himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spies have handlers. Easier in this case to drop off the laptop behind some bins one night and have some tourist bring it (or a copy) back, than have your intel asset deliver it himself.</p>
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		<title>By: thompson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because he wasn&#039;t terribly slick doesn&#039;t mean he wasn&#039;t a spy.  There&#039;s a long and illustrious record of really terrible ones.

I don&#039;t see a problem with stopping a foreign national who has taken a NASA laptop abroad in the past, asking what electronic gear he&#039;s got on himself after he buys a one way ticket abroad, and then arresting him after finding that there&#039;s an additional laptop he didn&#039;t mention.

It might turn out to be an innocent mistake, but it&#039;s worth investigating.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because he wasn&#8217;t terribly slick doesn&#8217;t mean he wasn&#8217;t a spy.  There&#8217;s a long and illustrious record of really terrible ones.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see a problem with stopping a foreign national who has taken a NASA laptop abroad in the past, asking what electronic gear he&#8217;s got on himself after he buys a one way ticket abroad, and then arresting him after finding that there&#8217;s an additional laptop he didn&#8217;t mention.</p>
<p>It might turn out to be an innocent mistake, but it&#8217;s worth investigating.</p>
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		<title>By: kalamities</title>
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		<dc:creator>kalamities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found it weird that he did specify both laptop and external harddrive, but the problem was that they found two of each. Besides, he seems extremely well qualified, working with machine vision for aviation safety. Seems USA benefitted quite a lot from this person. This walks and talks like xenophobia. This bureacracy was forced upon NASA setting cooperation between USA and China back a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found it weird that he did specify both laptop and external harddrive, but the problem was that they found two of each. Besides, he seems extremely well qualified, working with machine vision for aviation safety. Seems USA benefitted quite a lot from this person. This walks and talks like xenophobia. This bureacracy was forced upon NASA setting cooperation between USA and China back a lot.</p>
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