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	<title>Comments on: List of groaner clichés best avoided, from Washington Post&#160;editor</title>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/21/trite-phrases-best-avoided-ac.html#comment-1686554</link>
		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Beg and ask are synonyms&quot;

Every synonym is not a synonym in every context, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Beg and ask are synonyms&#8221;</p>
<p>Every synonym is not a synonym in every context, though.</p>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
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		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why celebrate ignorance?</description>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
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		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MEANING EVOLVES, OK!?!</description>
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		<title>By: C W</title>
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		<dc:creator>C W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Languages evolve. Get used to it. &quot;

It&#039;ll never stop sounding stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Languages evolve. Get used to it. &#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll never stop sounding stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: cwiley</title>
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		<dc:creator>cwiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Beg&quot; may be a synonym of &quot;Ask.&quot; But here is the heart of the matter: words — even synonyms — may have different shades of meaning, which is why one might use one word in lieu of another. Beg implies something more than ask, so use the word &quot;beg&quot; when it&#039;s really what you want to be understood. If you ask me, you&#039;re panhandling for an answer you&#039;ve already decided to be true.

http://begthequestion.info</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Beg&#8221; may be a synonym of &#8220;Ask.&#8221; But here is the heart of the matter: words — even synonyms — may have different shades of meaning, which is why one might use one word in lieu of another. Beg implies something more than ask, so use the word &#8220;beg&#8221; when it&#8217;s really what you want to be understood. If you ask me, you&#8217;re panhandling for an answer you&#8217;ve already decided to be true.</p>
<p><a href="http://begthequestion.info" rel="nofollow">http://begthequestion.info</a></p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>False equivalence.  Beg and ask are synonyms, so it&#039;s a perfectly reasonable use of that phrase.  &quot;I could care less&quot; can&#039;t be construed to mean &quot;I don&#039;t care&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>False equivalence.  Beg and ask are synonyms, so it&#8217;s a perfectly reasonable use of that phrase.  &#8220;I could care less&#8221; can&#8217;t be construed to mean &#8220;I don&#8217;t care&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: chaopoiesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>chaopoiesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother, can you spare a question?</description>
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		<title>By: curiousrobot</title>
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		<dc:creator>curiousrobot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we accept &quot;begging the question&quot; to mean &quot;raising the question,&quot; is it long before we must accept &quot;I could care less&quot; to mean &quot;I don&#039;t care?&quot;

Is that really what we want? I shudder to think...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we accept &#8220;begging the question&#8221; to mean &#8220;raising the question,&#8221; is it long before we must accept &#8220;I could care less&#8221; to mean &#8220;I don&#8217;t care?&#8221;</p>
<p>Is that really what we want? I shudder to think&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: phuzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>phuzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 09:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Apparently it stands for &quot;To Come&quot;:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_come_%28publishing%29</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Apparently it stands for &#8220;To Come&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_come_%28publishing%29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_come_%28publishing%29</a></p>
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		<title>By: zikman</title>
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		<dc:creator>zikman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s times like this that I consult a dictionary... http://i.imgur.com/TqwvvkP.png</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s times like this that I consult a dictionary&#8230; http://i.imgur.com/TqwvvkP.png</p>
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		<title>By: Brianne Archer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brianne Archer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 05:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, I encourage my SAT students to study cliches and use them sporadically in their essays. It proves to the readers that they are fairly well-read and they show up in the sentence completions quite frequently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, I encourage my SAT students to study cliches and use them sporadically in their essays. It proves to the readers that they are fairly well-read and they show up in the sentence completions quite frequently.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, I never said or implied that language should be static and never-changing.  The idea that Shakespeare coined over a thousand new words, phrases, and metaphors is a good argument that the language can change for the better overnight.

I just personally like to think that where we can help it, it might be nice to encourage thoughtful and elegant evolution in our language, rather than leaving it to the meddlings of the barbarian hordes.

I&#039;m no line-drawer.  The language wasn&#039;t particularly richer when I started using it than it has become today, so I don&#039;t insist we cling to the language of the 70s Because I Say So, or Because That Was The Pinnacle Of The English Language.  That would be missing the point anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, I never said or implied that language should be static and never-changing.  The idea that Shakespeare coined over a thousand new words, phrases, and metaphors is a good argument that the language can change for the better overnight.</p>
<p>I just personally like to think that where we can help it, it might be nice to encourage thoughtful and elegant evolution in our language, rather than leaving it to the meddlings of the barbarian hordes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no line-drawer.  The language wasn&#8217;t particularly richer when I started using it than it has become today, so I don&#8217;t insist we cling to the language of the 70s Because I Say So, or Because That Was The Pinnacle Of The English Language.  That would be missing the point anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Begs the question&quot; is like the good china; what&#039;s the point of storing something that you only use once per year?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Some people use the good china once a year, some use it every Sunday, some only eat off paper plates.  I own a compression gauge that I haven&#039;t stuck into a spark plug hole in probably eighteen months; does that mean I have no need for one, and should just stick my finger in the hole to measure cylinder compression?  My vocabulary is much like my literal toolbox.  I add to it as need be, neglect to maintain it at my peril, and ever-so-rarely discard tools I know I&#039;ll never have occasion to use.  (I&#039;m a packrat, so what?)  I&#039;m not &lt;b&gt;that&lt;/b&gt; much of a purist.  I&#039;ll use a 13mm wrench in place of a 1/2 inch one if I have to (or even if the 1/2 inch one is a couple of uncomfortable inches beyond my reach in some circumstances), and I&#039;m liable to fall back on the 70s trailer-park patois of my youth in most conversations rather than adhere too closely to Betty Windsor&#039;s English, but I&#039;m still not about to use a screwdriver as a chisel (or vice versa), nor am I willing to deliberately use a specialized term for a purpose for which I deem it ill-suited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Begs the question&#8221; is like the good china; what&#8217;s the point of storing something that you only use once per year?</p></blockquote>
<p>Some people use the good china once a year, some use it every Sunday, some only eat off paper plates.  I own a compression gauge that I haven&#8217;t stuck into a spark plug hole in probably eighteen months; does that mean I have no need for one, and should just stick my finger in the hole to measure cylinder compression?  My vocabulary is much like my literal toolbox.  I add to it as need be, neglect to maintain it at my peril, and ever-so-rarely discard tools I know I&#8217;ll never have occasion to use.  (I&#8217;m a packrat, so what?)  I&#8217;m not <b>that</b> much of a purist.  I&#8217;ll use a 13mm wrench in place of a 1/2 inch one if I have to (or even if the 1/2 inch one is a couple of uncomfortable inches beyond my reach in some circumstances), and I&#8217;m liable to fall back on the 70s trailer-park patois of my youth in most conversations rather than adhere too closely to Betty Windsor&#8217;s English, but I&#8217;m still not about to use a screwdriver as a chisel (or vice versa), nor am I willing to deliberately use a specialized term for a purpose for which I deem it ill-suited.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where do you draw the line?  Are mice still &quot;deer&quot;?  Is bread &quot;meat&quot;?  Is a pork chop &quot;venison&quot;?  And can you pick up &quot;pineapples&quot; under the trees in the park?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do you draw the line?  Are mice still &#8220;deer&#8221;?  Is bread &#8220;meat&#8221;?  Is a pork chop &#8220;venison&#8221;?  And can you pick up &#8220;pineapples&#8221; under the trees in the park?</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 23:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Donald Petersen, you&#039;re embracing wrongness&lt;/blockquote&gt;And consorting with folly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Donald Petersen, you&#8217;re embracing wrongness</p></blockquote>
<p>And consorting with folly!</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Begs the question&quot; is like the good china; what&#039;s the point of storing something that you only use once per year?  Liberate it for more frequent use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Begs the question&#8221; is like the good china; what&#8217;s the point of storing something that you only use once per year?  Liberate it for more frequent use.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, Peter, I might sound like a querulous old professor, mired in the hidebound habits of a bygone formal age, but I assure you that that&#039;s not the case.  You might feel encouraged to proclaim that these are the New, Triumphant Definitions Of Today (rather than Tomorrow, or perhaps, The Days Yet To Come), and maybe that&#039;s true in the circles in which you move.  But it&#039;s not like I&#039;m demanding we return to archaic or obsolete usages.  When it comes to the words and phrases we&#039;ve discussed in this thread, the &quot;newfangled&quot; usages (or old misuses) of these terms are only recently being acknowledged as acceptable, simply because so very many people today misuse them, even ones with respectable college degrees and actual measurable readerships.

And I&#039;m perfectly aware that language and acceptable terminology can change dramatically (or at least noticeably) within a shortish lifetime.  I remember widely-accepted and previously-thought-respectable usages from my not-all-that-long-ago youth, such as Oriental, brontosaur, starfish, sabre-tooth tiger, tubular, stewardess, etc.  These terms were altered or abandoned for various reasons, such as inaccuracy, sexism, inelegance, or what-have-you.

But the changes in language to which you refer arise from slang, informality, imprecision, and ignorance.  And there&#039;s a reason why we expect a certain amount of popular consensus when it comes to our shared language; that&#039;s why we have dictionaries, and that&#039;s why we don&#039;t just assign any random definition we like to every word we use.  I&#039;ll dust off an old argument I trotted out a couple of weeks ago. &lt;blockquote&gt;Hey, it&#039;s a free world, more or less. Use your words any way you like. But if you happen to forget the word &quot;green&quot; and you want to evoke the color that results when you mix blue and yellow paint, and you think it might be &quot;red,&quot; so you look up &quot;red&quot; in the dictionary, do you not hope that the dictionary will tell you whether red includes, among its common definitions, that hue acquired when you mix blue and yellow paint? And if it doesn&#039;t, should you just use &quot;red&quot; anyway since it sounds right to you, and you&#039;ll just hope people get what color you mean by your context and voice inflections? And when you tell someone to keep driving forward at the &quot;red&quot; light (by which you mean a green one), and that someone gets themselves killed in a traffic accident, might you not reflect on how you kinda wish you&#039;d listened to Merriam-Webster after all? 

/hyperbole&lt;/blockquote&gt;This illustrates the extent to which there can be &quot;wrongness&quot; in language and usage.  You can use words &quot;wrongly&quot; by employing slang, such as using the word &quot;bad&quot; to connote something&#039;s good qualities.  And you can use words in an unorthodox manner, especially when speaking informally or metaphorically or poetically.  Such usages are what make communication so vibrant and delightful.
But communication fails when words are used &quot;wrongly&quot; to a degree that interferes with understanding.  When someone misuses a word in a manner that someone else understands in the intended context, then the misuse becomes a successful communication.  Enough of these successful misuses eventually stop being misuses, and yes, the language has evolved.

But I disagree that we&#039;ve reached that point yet when it comes to &quot;begging the question,&quot; &quot;literally,&quot; and &quot;disinterested.&quot;  Right now, the majority of appearances of those terms before my eyes are proper usages, though the tide does seem to be turning.  I disagree that the &quot;mainstream definition&quot; of those terms has changed yet.  And to this very day, the instances I see where these terms get misused are usually at the hands (or lips) of the young and unsophisticated.  And I know this is an awfully elitist attitude for me to hold (particularly since I hold no academic credential fancier than my high school diploma), and it would be pretty easy to discount my opinions solely based upon my propensity to crassly split infinitives and to stick seventeen parenthetical remarks into every paragraph, but I suspect I&#039;ll be an unbowed prescriptivist until they nail me into a box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, Peter, I might sound like a querulous old professor, mired in the hidebound habits of a bygone formal age, but I assure you that that&#8217;s not the case.  You might feel encouraged to proclaim that these are the New, Triumphant Definitions Of Today (rather than Tomorrow, or perhaps, The Days Yet To Come), and maybe that&#8217;s true in the circles in which you move.  But it&#8217;s not like I&#8217;m demanding we return to archaic or obsolete usages.  When it comes to the words and phrases we&#8217;ve discussed in this thread, the &#8220;newfangled&#8221; usages (or old misuses) of these terms are only recently being acknowledged as acceptable, simply because so very many people today misuse them, even ones with respectable college degrees and actual measurable readerships.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m perfectly aware that language and acceptable terminology can change dramatically (or at least noticeably) within a shortish lifetime.  I remember widely-accepted and previously-thought-respectable usages from my not-all-that-long-ago youth, such as Oriental, brontosaur, starfish, sabre-tooth tiger, tubular, stewardess, etc.  These terms were altered or abandoned for various reasons, such as inaccuracy, sexism, inelegance, or what-have-you.</p>
<p>But the changes in language to which you refer arise from slang, informality, imprecision, and ignorance.  And there&#8217;s a reason why we expect a certain amount of popular consensus when it comes to our shared language; that&#8217;s why we have dictionaries, and that&#8217;s why we don&#8217;t just assign any random definition we like to every word we use.  I&#8217;ll dust off an old argument I trotted out a couple of weeks ago.<br />
<blockquote>Hey, it&#8217;s a free world, more or less. Use your words any way you like. But if you happen to forget the word &#8220;green&#8221; and you want to evoke the color that results when you mix blue and yellow paint, and you think it might be &#8220;red,&#8221; so you look up &#8220;red&#8221; in the dictionary, do you not hope that the dictionary will tell you whether red includes, among its common definitions, that hue acquired when you mix blue and yellow paint? And if it doesn&#8217;t, should you just use &#8220;red&#8221; anyway since it sounds right to you, and you&#8217;ll just hope people get what color you mean by your context and voice inflections? And when you tell someone to keep driving forward at the &#8220;red&#8221; light (by which you mean a green one), and that someone gets themselves killed in a traffic accident, might you not reflect on how you kinda wish you&#8217;d listened to Merriam-Webster after all? </p>
<p>/hyperbole</p></blockquote>
<p>This illustrates the extent to which there can be &#8220;wrongness&#8221; in language and usage.  You can use words &#8220;wrongly&#8221; by employing slang, such as using the word &#8220;bad&#8221; to connote something&#8217;s good qualities.  And you can use words in an unorthodox manner, especially when speaking informally or metaphorically or poetically.  Such usages are what make communication so vibrant and delightful.<br />
But communication fails when words are used &#8220;wrongly&#8221; to a degree that interferes with understanding.  When someone misuses a word in a manner that someone else understands in the intended context, then the misuse becomes a successful communication.  Enough of these successful misuses eventually stop being misuses, and yes, the language has evolved.</p>
<p>But I disagree that we&#8217;ve reached that point yet when it comes to &#8220;begging the question,&#8221; &#8220;literally,&#8221; and &#8220;disinterested.&#8221;  Right now, the majority of appearances of those terms before my eyes are proper usages, though the tide does seem to be turning.  I disagree that the &#8220;mainstream definition&#8221; of those terms has changed yet.  And to this very day, the instances I see where these terms get misused are usually at the hands (or lips) of the young and unsophisticated.  And I know this is an awfully elitist attitude for me to hold (particularly since I hold no academic credential fancier than my high school diploma), and it would be pretty easy to discount my opinions solely based upon my propensity to crassly split infinitives and to stick seventeen parenthetical remarks into every paragraph, but I suspect I&#8217;ll be an unbowed prescriptivist until they nail me into a box.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, that&#039;s how these things get started.  People adopt misheard or misunderstood phrases, the effect spreads, and suddenly &quot;language evolves&quot; more as a result of carelessness and ignorance rather than through art and sophistication.

If enough people use &quot;disinterested&quot; as a synonym for &quot;uninterested&quot; so that the unique legal definition of &quot;disinterest&quot; exists only in the heads of antique powdered-wig lawyers, then that&#039;s a net loss for the language.  &quot;Literally&quot; is prevented from succumbing to the fate of &quot;really&quot; as being merely an intensifier of metaphor rather than being used solely in cases where it&#039;s important that a phrase &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; be mistaken for a hyperbolic metaphor, simply because there&#039;s really (even &quot;actually&quot;) no alternative word to get that point across nearly as well as &quot;literally&quot; does.  Similarly, if &quot;disinterested&quot; is usually used to denote a lack of curiosity or conscious interest, as opposed to a lack of financial or partisan interest (or otherwise &quot;having a dog in the fight&quot; of some sort), then what word would we adopt to succinctly show that an arbiter (for example) is sufficiently neutral because she doesn&#039;t benefit in any way if one party wins the dispute over another?

If one says that something begs the question of something else, sure, we have another way of saying so by utilizing a construction that refers to circular reasoning.  But right now the correct usage of &quot;begs the question&quot; is proper and specific, so why should the educated writer abandon it to the unlettered nincompoops who happily try on every ten-dollar phrase they come across without paying for it by learning what it actually means?  If people would really &lt;b&gt;try&lt;/b&gt; to use language with a degree of care and precision and--heaven help us--art, then misunderstandings will become rarer, useful (if somewhat esoteric) usages will be preserved for their special-occasion use (like Grandma&#039;s fine china), and the evolution of our language might proceed in a guided, cultivated fashion, rather than as haphazard, dystopic chaos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, that&#8217;s how these things get started.  People adopt misheard or misunderstood phrases, the effect spreads, and suddenly &#8220;language evolves&#8221; more as a result of carelessness and ignorance rather than through art and sophistication.</p>
<p>If enough people use &#8220;disinterested&#8221; as a synonym for &#8220;uninterested&#8221; so that the unique legal definition of &#8220;disinterest&#8221; exists only in the heads of antique powdered-wig lawyers, then that&#8217;s a net loss for the language.  &#8221;Literally&#8221; is prevented from succumbing to the fate of &#8220;really&#8221; as being merely an intensifier of metaphor rather than being used solely in cases where it&#8217;s important that a phrase <b>not</b> be mistaken for a hyperbolic metaphor, simply because there&#8217;s really (even &#8220;actually&#8221;) no alternative word to get that point across nearly as well as &#8220;literally&#8221; does.  Similarly, if &#8220;disinterested&#8221; is usually used to denote a lack of curiosity or conscious interest, as opposed to a lack of financial or partisan interest (or otherwise &#8220;having a dog in the fight&#8221; of some sort), then what word would we adopt to succinctly show that an arbiter (for example) is sufficiently neutral because she doesn&#8217;t benefit in any way if one party wins the dispute over another?</p>
<p>If one says that something begs the question of something else, sure, we have another way of saying so by utilizing a construction that refers to circular reasoning.  But right now the correct usage of &#8220;begs the question&#8221; is proper and specific, so why should the educated writer abandon it to the unlettered nincompoops who happily try on every ten-dollar phrase they come across without paying for it by learning what it actually means?  If people would really <b>try</b> to use language with a degree of care and precision and&#8211;heaven help us&#8211;art, then misunderstandings will become rarer, useful (if somewhat esoteric) usages will be preserved for their special-occasion use (like Grandma&#8217;s fine china), and the evolution of our language might proceed in a guided, cultivated fashion, rather than as haphazard, dystopic chaos.</p>
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		<title>By: niktemadur</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/21/trite-phrases-best-avoided-ac.html#comment-1684892</link>
		<dc:creator>niktemadur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I&#039;d love to add a witty reply using the phrase &quot;Stalin wasn&#039;t stallin&quot; somewhere in there, but all I can think about is that Stalingrad is still a Soviet town.

Then dear old Bob&#039;s quote about how if there was a mile-long cigarette that was lit when he woke up, he&#039;d puff on it until bedtime, then poor little Alfie is unable to sleep, just like me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I&#8217;d love to add a witty reply using the phrase &#8220;Stalin wasn&#8217;t stallin&#8221; somewhere in there, but all I can think about is that Stalingrad is still a Soviet town.</p>
<p>Then dear old Bob&#8217;s quote about how if there was a mile-long cigarette that was lit when he woke up, he&#8217;d puff on it until bedtime, then poor little Alfie is unable to sleep, just like me.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/21/trite-phrases-best-avoided-ac.html#comment-1684893</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except, Donald Petersen, you&#039;re embracing wrongness by not accepting these new definitions have become the mainstream definition.

Because this isn&#039;t like debating the mass of a rock, the English language has no objective, measurable existence independent of how people use it... it IS how people use it, and, it seems, we&#039;re using it THIS way now.   You can argue in favor of us not using it that way, but you can&#039;t say we&#039;re wrong for doing so.  

Unless you manage to convince us to redefine the word &#039;wrong&#039;, too.  But then you&#039;re really on our side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except, Donald Petersen, you&#8217;re embracing wrongness by not accepting these new definitions have become the mainstream definition.</p>
<p>Because this isn&#8217;t like debating the mass of a rock, the English language has no objective, measurable existence independent of how people use it&#8230; it IS how people use it, and, it seems, we&#8217;re using it THIS way now.   You can argue in favor of us not using it that way, but you can&#8217;t say we&#8217;re wrong for doing so.  </p>
<p>Unless you manage to convince us to redefine the word &#8216;wrong&#8217;, too.  But then you&#8217;re really on our side.</p>
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		<title>By: niktemadur</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/21/trite-phrases-best-avoided-ac.html#comment-1684869</link>
		<dc:creator>niktemadur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the old pun joke that punches with the line &lt;i&gt;...bringing gulls&lt;/i&gt; (as in seagulls) &lt;i&gt;across the state lion for immortal porpoises&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the old pun joke that punches with the line <i>&#8230;bringing gulls</i> (as in seagulls) <i>across the state lion for immortal porpoises</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: GregS</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/21/trite-phrases-best-avoided-ac.html#comment-1684845</link>
		<dc:creator>GregS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By &quot;some say&quot; you mean Toronto Mayor Rob Ford, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By &#8220;some say&#8221; you mean Toronto Mayor Rob Ford, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Petersen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/21/trite-phrases-best-avoided-ac.html#comment-1684841</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Ironic Capitalization, but not to &quot;Imply Unimportance Of Things Others Consider Important.&quot;  I use it like A.A. Milne, to imply the importance of what &lt;b&gt;I&lt;/b&gt; consider important.

And that&#039;s a Very Important Distinction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Ironic Capitalization, but not to &#8220;Imply Unimportance Of Things Others Consider Important.&#8221;  I use it like A.A. Milne, to imply the importance of what <b>I</b> consider important.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s a Very Important Distinction.</p>
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		<title>By: GregS</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When all is said and done, I like to think outside the box, to take the road less traveled, to march to the beat of my own drummer, and for those reasons I leave no stone unturned, and no avenue unexplored in my relentless quest to avoid cliches like the plague.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When all is said and done, I like to think outside the box, to take the road less traveled, to march to the beat of my own drummer, and for those reasons I leave no stone unturned, and no avenue unexplored in my relentless quest to avoid cliches like the plague.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Petersen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2013/03/21/trite-phrases-best-avoided-ac.html#comment-1684831</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with cwiley here.  I&#039;m not inclined to alter my habit of reserving &quot;begs the question&quot; for its proper context simply because an increasing number of people, ignorant of its proper use, decide to misuse it in place of &quot;raises the question.&quot;  Language can evolve all it wants, but certain usages do not have to die before I do.

Same thing when it comes to people like David Haglund who love to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/03/06/literally_definition_has_changed_over_the_years_dictionaries_recognize_this.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;defend the misuse of &quot;literally.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;  Just because wrongness becomes fashionable doesn&#039;t mean we should embrace it.  Leave it to our illiterate offspring to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with cwiley here.  I&#8217;m not inclined to alter my habit of reserving &#8220;begs the question&#8221; for its proper context simply because an increasing number of people, ignorant of its proper use, decide to misuse it in place of &#8220;raises the question.&#8221;  Language can evolve all it wants, but certain usages do not have to die before I do.</p>
<p>Same thing when it comes to people like David Haglund who love to <a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/03/06/literally_definition_has_changed_over_the_years_dictionaries_recognize_this.html" rel="nofollow">defend the misuse of &#8220;literally.&#8221;</a>  Just because wrongness becomes fashionable doesn&#8217;t mean we should embrace it.  Leave it to our illiterate offspring to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Sarrasin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Sarrasin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Don&#039;t visit West Virginia.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot to say &quot;spiral&quot;. No bad journalism is complete without something spiraling, whether it&#039;s up or down.
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		<title>By: Jon Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, but if I have to hear &quot;mute point&quot; one more time...</description>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may not have seen it, but I&#039;ve seen it.  And a quick search on IMDB of the phrase turns up the following (but granted not many uses):

X-Files (an 1995 episode): I guess this begs the question; if this is an alien autopsy... (where&#039;s the alien is the next line).

It was also used that way in the 1995 movie &quot;The American President&quot;

So yeah, maybe it&#039;s relatively recent... but that&#039;s still 17 years ago.  About half my life.  And I&#039;ve personally seen it most of my life used that way conversation, and I&#039;m sure there were more uses in TV and movies, just not particularly quotable lines.  

(And, I just found subzin.com which also has the following:

Bull Durham (1988): &quot;Begging the question, what are these boys thinking about?&quot;

South (1920!!): &quot;for that begs the question, who is taking the film of him?&quot;

The War of 1812: Causes and Consequences, 1783-1818 (1967): Well, it still begs the question: where the hell is he?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may not have seen it, but I&#8217;ve seen it.  And a quick search on IMDB of the phrase turns up the following (but granted not many uses):</p>
<p>X-Files (an 1995 episode): I guess this begs the question; if this is an alien autopsy&#8230; (where&#8217;s the alien is the next line).</p>
<p>It was also used that way in the 1995 movie &#8220;The American President&#8221;</p>
<p>So yeah, maybe it&#8217;s relatively recent&#8230; but that&#8217;s still 17 years ago.  About half my life.  And I&#8217;ve personally seen it most of my life used that way conversation, and I&#8217;m sure there were more uses in TV and movies, just not particularly quotable lines.  </p>
<p>(And, I just found subzin.com which also has the following:</p>
<p>Bull Durham (1988): &#8220;Begging the question, what are these boys thinking about?&#8221;</p>
<p>South (1920!!): &#8220;for that begs the question, who is taking the film of him?&#8221;</p>
<p>The War of 1812: Causes and Consequences, 1783-1818 (1967): Well, it still begs the question: where the hell is he?</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Eppy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Eppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It&#039;s like a cow&#039;s opinion.  It&#039;s &#039;moo&#039;&quot;

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<p>- Joey Tribiani</p>
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