Kai the hatchet-wielding hitchhiker arrested in Philadelphia, charged in NJ lawyer's murder

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  1. ChicagoD says:

    Oh, he’s definitely going to regret that Facebook post. That will appear again at trial.

    • Navin_Johnson says:

       Wonder if “Terry Ratliff” is feeling anything about now…

    • daneyul says:

      Yep. If indeed it was consensual, it makes the facebook post sound like a desperate, ex post facto attempt at a bogus “gay panic” defense.  If there’s a trail of texts or other information that no drugging/rape occurred, that shit is not going to score any leniency points from the judge.

      • mindysan33 says:

        To be fair, it could have begun consensual, and turned non-consensual.  But I don’t know what his FB page said before that….

        • oasisob1 says:

          So in this case it’s just a case of he said.

        • Gulliver says:

          His credibility would be a lot stronger if he’d gone to a hospital and gotten tested for date-rape drugs instead of taking the law into his own hands.

          • mindysan33 says:

            True, but he also seems like a kid that already lives on the margins of society – people who live like that tend not to trust authority figures and avoid them when possible (at least in my limited experiences).

            It might also be less a case of taking matters into his own hands and more a matter of instinctual reaction on his part, if what he claims is true.

            Of course, this is all conjecture on all our parts.

          • Gulliver says:

            Agreed, on all counts.

          • ChicagoD says:

            Not conjecture: a defense based on waking up, finding evidence you may have been raped, and bashing someone to death with a hatchet is going to lead to a loooooonnnngggg time in prison.

          • Antinous / Moderator says:

            It might also be less a case of taking matters into his own hands and more a matter of instinctual reaction on his part

            In other words, the Gay Panic Defense, which murderers have been using to try to get away with killing gay men for years.

          • Gulliver says:

            @Antinous_Moderator:disqus

            In other words, the Gay Panic Defense, which murderers have been using to try to get away with killing gay men for years.

            Or the I’ve Been Raped Defense which, while not justifiable, could also be an instinctual reaction. I know if someone raped me, it would take all my self-control not to retaliate because retaliation would be my instinct. The fact is that we do not know what his actual motive was aside from a very specious Facebook post. It may have been homophobic rage, it may have been rage at being raped, or it may have been something else altogether. The fact that lots of homophobic murderers have killed the targets of their hate does not automatically mean that this case had to do with so-called gay panic.

            How do you know this Kai character isn’t gay? What, specially, makes you think this was necessarily a case of homophobic murder? Is it because you do not believe a 72 year-old man is capable of drugging and rapping someone?

          • Antinous / Moderator says:

            Look at the two of them, both physically and in terms of their personal histories. You have no idea what happened, but giving the young, healthy man with a history of violence the benefit of the doubt over the old, dead man seems, on the whole, to be grounded in homophobic assumptions. Lots and lots and lots of older (or not) gay men have been killed by rough trade.

        • Antinous / Moderator says:

          you get into a he said-he said thing

          Except that one “he” is a 73 year-old corpse, and the other “he” is a young, healthy drifter with a history of bashing people over the head.

        • Antinous / Moderator says:

          you get into a he said-he said thing

          Except that one “he” is a 73 year-old corpse, and the other “he” is a young, healthy drifter with a history of bashing people over the head.

          Do the math.

          • Gulliver says:

            Look, if it turns out he killed him because he was gay, I’ll be the first to call for him to be locked away for the rest of his life*. But I’m not willing to rush to judgement based of sketchy clues and a five-minute news interview, and I’m surprised you are.

            *Just so you don’t think I’m soft on homophobic murderers, I changed my stance on capital punishment a few months after I last opined on it here a year and a half ago. I no longer support it in any case.

          • Antinous / Moderator says:

            But I’m not willing to rush to judgement based of sketchy clues and a five-minute news interview

            And yet, The Internet has been high-fiving this guy for defending his virtue against this terrible old drug-wielding gay rapist man thing. Well obviously he was gay raped so of course he just killed the guy i mean who wouldn’t?

          • Gulliver says:

            You have no idea what happened, but giving the young, healthy man with a history of violence the benefit of the doubt over the old, dead man seems, on the whole, to be grounded in homophobic assumptions.

            I’m not giving him the benefit of the doubt. I’m saying I don’t know and neither do you. There are multiple possible explanations and, until there is more evidence to go on, any conclusions are speculative. A person’s youth and excitability do not make him a murderer. And violence in the defense of others is not the same as violence in hate.

            And yet, The Internet has been high-fiving this guy for defending his virtue against this terrible old drug-wielding gay rapist man thing.

            While I still, even if he killed a hundred people, applaud his saving that woman from her attacker, I do not applaud his committing murder (if indeed, as it appears, he did), whether he was raped or not. The difference is that, if it was a revenge killing for being raped, I would at least understand it. If he murdered him for being gay, there is no sympathy.

            The people high-fiving him, whether for revenge, or defending his virtue, or defending his virtue against a gay rapist, are also jumping to unwarranted conlusions. I suspect most are doing so because of his moment of heroism, and the relative facelessness of the guy they didn’t watch an interview with. I suspect at least some are doing so because they think the other guy was gay, and those individuals are making homophobic assumptions. But all of them are rushing to judgment because, again, we do not know what actually happened.

          • Kimmo says:

             

            And yet, The Internet has been high-fiving this guy for defending his virtue against this terrible old drug-wielding gay rapist man thing. Well obviously he was gay raped so of course he just killed the guy i mean who wouldn’t?

            Well, to be fair to the Internet, just pretend for a moment that Kai’s introduction was a set-up to prime folks for this incident – it could hardly have been better calculated to maximise that response.

  2. gracchus says:

    “They met, an unlikely pair, in Times Square last Saturday night,”

    Ah, the romance of rough trade!

    • Navin_Johnson says:

       I guess Giuliani didn’t “Disney-fy” completely….

      • ryuthrowsstuff says:

        There was still one peep show left near Penn Station last I checked. And I’m sure those creepers dressed up as Sponge Bob would be down for some strange. So no not entirely.

        • Antinous / Moderator says:

          In a nutshell, grown men dressed like Superman and Batman are far more disturbing than prostitutes and drug dealers.

  3. dave3 says:

    It’s getting to where you can’t have a tryst with a vagrant, hatchet-wielding hitchhiker you just met anymore.

  4. Ernest Valdemar says:

    “Caleb Laurence took an axe
    And gave a trucker forty whacks.
    When he saw what he had done,
    He gave his rapist forty-one.”

    Axe-wielding maniacs are the new folk hero; same as the old folk hero.

  5. Preston Sturges says:

    They are going to try to pin any number of unsolved serial-killer-drifter-who-kills-homosexuals crimes on him. 

  6. Jenonymous says:

     Heh…I for one sure as hell would PREFER a Times Square “the old way” (ie with druggies/hookers of all sorts) than the disgusting crowded retail mall that it is now.

    And I sure as hell stay the fuck AWAY from the costumed photo extortionists/Sponge Bob freaks….

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