Google to Attorney General: let us publish stats on the info we give to spies


15 Responses to “Google to Attorney General: let us publish stats on the info we give to spies”

  1. kartwaffles says:

    Is it still considered civil disobedience if the order you’re disobeying is unconstitutional?

  2. Barrett Blackwood says:

    The statement “Google has nothing to hide” is simply untrue. If Google has nothing to hide then why does it have to ask the government permission to tell the truth? Compliance with any FISA request, by definition requires you to HIDE all information about that request and does not allow Google to even acknowledge the existence of, or its participation in such requests.

    The facts are simple: the only way Google can offer any proof that it does not provide a back door is if all FISA requests and the program itself are declassified, or if Barack Obama himself states in no uncertain terms that these back doors do not exist.

    Aggregate numbers of specific secret requests tell us nothing whatsoever.

    Your move Google.

    • anwaya says:


      How is it Google’s move if, as you say, the only way to prove it has no NSA back doors is for all FISA requests and the PRISM program are declassified, or for the President to state there are no back doors? Both are actions that only the Executive can take. What’s Google’s move meant to be?

      • Barrett Blackwood says:

        Thats really up to their imagination I guess. This is their first attempt to try and spin the situation and put the ball in someone else’s court and I’m sure its already well on its way back to them.

        It goes one of two ways, either the NSA was lying to the government (and its staff) about its capabilities which is very plausible, or the claims in that document are true in which case full disclosure would most certainly not be in Google’s best interest.

      • Barrett Blackwood says:

        Also, if there are back doors, the president would most certainly not lie about it as that would be grounds for impeachment if anybody had evidence…

        I doubt he is stupid enough to hand his balls over to the NSA.

  3. Marc45 says:

    This is simply Google attempting to turn a PR nightmare into a feature.

    Disingenuous if you ask me.

    • Andrew Singleton says:

      What else can they do? 

      Wait this is GOOGLE. Same guys that managed to stalemate china.

      They have the sort of power only governments have. they should be doing something. What i don’t know becausei don’t know what’s realistically possible.

  4. Kyle Mosley says:

    Didn’t we just find out that the NSA has back door access to all of Google’s data?  What does Google showing how many FISA orders it has complied with have to do with the current situation?  
    This is a red herring. 
    Google isn’t handing anything over upon request to the NSA, all data is already readily available.
    FISA requests are for those who do not already have access to the NSA collection.

    • Barrett Blackwood says:

      This all depends on how all the information is gathered and processed. If there is a back door I’m sure that each QUERY thats passed through it would generate a record which would then be reported as a FISA request.

      They need the paperwork to back up the requests otherwise it IS illegal, even under these crazy secret laws.

      Also, it would be a good idea to keep track of WHO HAS WHAT in case someone decided to defect to Hong Kong or something…

  5. Lloyd Fonvielle says:

    I suggest that all Americans get together on July 4th and create millions of e-mails, texts and Facebook posts all reading “Happy 4th of July, Mr. President! (NSA please forward.)”

    • awjt says:

      We can do better than that.  If we can each send the NSA a billion data packets on July 4th, that would equal approximately 300 quadrillion packets.  You catch my drift, right? They want data, I say SEND THEM ALL THE DATA.

      • Lloyd Fonvielle says:

         Then we’d be surrendering the high ground.  The idea is not to take down the NSA but to point out that the NSA is taking us down.

  6. dioptase says:

    Google just wants to publish meta-data.  The NSA shouldn’t have an expectation of privacy with respect to meta-data, should it?

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