Scary NYC neighborhood, 1888

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49 Responses to “Scary NYC neighborhood, 1888”

  1. gwailo_joe says:

    Are you sure this isn’t some Gangs of New York promo pic? 

    There’s Leo DiCaprio in the foreground!

  2. Aeron says:

    I reckon you showed up in the wrong neighborhood, compadre.

  3. But at least these dangerous characters understand the importance of sartorial elegance. One mustn’t beat the crap out of strangers unless one has one’s hat and coat on.

    • cservant says:

      Teach me more of this sartorial elegance.

      More importantly how does one keep the blood, stains, dirt, grit while giving the fisty cuffs to another?  Or the more extreme end, how does one keep the sufficient amount of blood, grt, etc,. while looking elegant badasstry?

  4. Timothy Krause says:

    Whereas the Shirt-Tail Gang was way more of a “holding down the vital under-the-bridge territory” kinda gang, just swillin’ and chillin’ DOWN BY THE RIVER

    http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com/shirttailgang.jpg

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      just swillin’ and chillin’…

      …with all the money that they saved by blocking linking to their site.

  5. Bill_Kos says:

    Reminds me of Caleb Carr’s “The Alienist.” Set in NYC 1896, it features the newly appointed president of police commissioners, Teddy Roosevelt, who walked with Riis to evaluate the police patrols, and had great praise for this “muckraker.”

  6. Photo reminds me how disappointed I was in the BBC America “Copper” show.  Such an interesting period to cover and they skimp on the sets.  The doors to the buildings look like the sets in the “Blazing Saddles” fake towns.

    • MarkTemporis says:

      Give “Ripper Street” a try. Very similar basic material, but taking place rather obviously in period Whitechapel. I liked it a lot better than “Copper” plus it stars Bronn from “Game of Thrones”.

  7. Timothy Krause says:

    Another Riis: KEEP OFF THE GRASS. Darn those loveable tykes and their uncanny David-Lynchean gaze!

    http://theselvedgeyard.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/jacob-riis-keep-off-the-grass.jpg

    (Sorry, won’t spampost, but just taught Riis a few weeks ago: a fascinating author and artist from a fascinating period.)

  8. kmoser says:

    These are not the droogs you’re looking for.

  9. timquinn says:

    Elegance because that’s what got passed down to them through the thrift stores of the times. It is actually the elegance of a slightly earlier time. Nothing fits right but they make it seem like a choice. 

    Also, photo-journalists of the day were not above making some suggestions like, “Can you hold that stick, just lean it against your leg. Can we get those guys from over there? OK, everyone put your hat on and stand very still.”

    My neighborhood is considered ‘dangerous.’ It isn’t.

    That’s all for today.

    • Lupus_Yonderboy says:

      “Elegance … passed down to them through the thrift stores … of a slightly earlier time. Nothing fits right … make it seem like a choice. ”

      This basically describes just about every punk rocker that I ever hung out with.

    • Triple E says:

       “I’m gonna pop some tags.  Got 20 shillings in my pocket. . .”

  10. Gulliver says:

    I wonder if a century from now people will be lamenting that ruffians and scallywags no longer wear all that stylish jewelry like they did back in the day. What did they call it….ah, yes, bling.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N6sYJRGqgE

    • bombblastlightningwaltz says:

      Scallywags is a misused term which actually refers too Southern traitors who  turned too the “North” as allies. 

      • Gulliver says:

        Collaborators who worked with or for Northern carpetbaggers such as John D. Rockefeller were referred to as scalawags. Both usages likely came from an Irish word for laborer.

      • Antinous / Moderator says:

        Meat used to mean food. Deer used to mean animals. Pineapple used to mean pine cone.

        But they don’t anymore.

        • Beanolini says:

          “Can’t use the word “fisting” anymore either, oh no. But back in the forties the girls and I used to fist every Sunday afternoon. It was a knitting stitch, and a very difficult one. I made a lovely yellow afghan full of tiny, intricate fistings, that won a grand prize at a jamboree”

        • Triple E says:

           Don’t forget corn, which was just a kernel of grain (or salt). 

      • kiptw says:

        Traitors to the South. 

        snrk

  11. Their feldspars says:

    So that’s Columbus Park now?

  12. And to think that I saw it on Mulberry Street!

  13. Scary? It looks like home to me.

  14. imag says:

    To me they look like scared kids, most of whom are probably only tough out of desperation.

    Just like a lot of the kids in ghettos today.

    • James Penrose says:

       I am sure that’s a great comfort when they proceed to steal your money and beat the crap out of you for being the wrong color or wearing the wrong color or simply being in “their” neighborhood.

  15. Antinous / Moderator says:

    Rough trade.

  16. Gregory Primosch says:

    How the Other Half Lives is great, but so is the original “Gangs of New York” book which the movie is very loosely based on

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/0307388980

    • millie fink says:

      Yes, and we should all be studying it to get ready. Times like that are coming back, thanks to the obscene and growing wealth gap.

  17. Clifton says:

    Walking stick? Or is the second man perhaps leaning the barrel of an over-under rifle on the ground? 

  18. OliveGreenapple says:

    It’s the laundry that really makes them scary here. Definitely the laundry.

  19. rocketpj says:

    It would be pretty awesome to find out some of the stories of these people.  Who they were, what became of them.

  20. Michael Kaiser says:

    Bandits in the 1880s, living in squalid conditions, dressed better than almost everyone does in 2013.

    • Preston Sturges says:

      That because people today are living in the same squalid apartments  for $1,500 a month, so they can’t afford a dashing hat.

      • Michael Kaiser says:

        I wasn’t saying “why don’t the poor dress better today?” I was simply stating how well these people dress compared to how everyone dresses today, including people who can afford it. 

        Also, do you think in the 1880s rent was $0, and therefore this allowed them to spend money on “a dashing hat”? It is the societal changes in fashion that are the cause, not higher rent.

        • Tim H says:

          Yeah, if you read the book (and I don’t mean that you should have read this book) you’ll see that the poor are paying ridiculous rents to live in the hovels.  The author compares the rents for tiny dark holes to similar rents for whole nice houses in the suburbs.

  21. At least back then it was only the other half.

  22. Beanolini says:

    Apparently, this photo was shot in 3D by an associate of Riis’, rather than Riis himself. There is a 3D version on flickr, but it seems this was recreated from the single 2D image rather than being taken from the two stereo shots.

    Given the long exposures required at the time, presumably it was at least partially staged…

    • kiptw says:

      One of the things I like about old photos is that it took so long to set the apparatus up that by the time they made the exposure, everybody in the neighborhood would be in the shot, looking directly at the equipment.

      Google Street View for the day would have shown the same group of locals in a dozen shots, following the shutterbug from spot to spot.

  23. MediaUnbalance says:

    I’m a little confused here.  What’s so scary?  The laundry?  The black and white picture?  The narrow alley?  Men with hats?  I don’t get it.  I’ve seen lots of pictures from this time and most seem a little menacing because people didn’t smile and the picture was in black and white.

  24. Preston Sturges says:

    Well one “scary” bit is that the fellow in the foreground seems to clearly be holding a double barreled shotgun

    He’s letting the muzzle touch the ground, which is a major no-no for rifles (messes up the accuracy) but less so for shotguns. 

  25. RayCornwall says:

    …and they didn’t mug him for the camera?

  26. Tim H says:

    According to a teacher of mine, Riis worked hand in hand with the police while making his photographs.  The occupants of a dreg house were dragged out kicking and screaming and made to stand still and be photographed in the daylight.  I seem to remember something about Riis using early flashes too, going into darkened hovels and setting off blinding explosions resulting in horrified looks on the subjects faces.

    • Tim H says:

      “…in taking a flash-light picture of a group of blind beggars in one of the tenements down here. With unpractised hands I managed to set fire to the house. When the blinding effect of the flash had passed away and I could see once more, I discovered that a lot of paper and rags that hung on the wall were ablaze. There were six of us, five blind men and women who knew nothing of their danger, and myself, in an attic room with a dozen crooked, rickety stairs between us and the street, and as many households as helpless as the one whose guest I was all about us. The thought: how were they ever to be got out? made my blood run cold as I saw the flames creeping up the wall, and my first impulse was to bolt for the street and shout for help. The next was to smother the fire myself, and I did, with a vast deal of trouble.”

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