End warrantless dragnet supying -- DEFUND THE NSA! Act today!

Discuss

From our forums

  1. Jardine

    Do not listen to this foreign trickster! He is not even an American. He is the son of communists! Foreign communists! Who are from another country! This is an obvious ploy to kill the jobs of good, honest, hardworking Americans who protect your country from terrorists and terrorist-sympathizers. Think of the children. Actually, stop thinking of the children you sicko. We're onto you!

    -Definitely not an NSA astroturfer

  2. dacree

    Here is the full text of the amendment being considered. As you can see, this does nothing to prevent the NSA from continuing operations under other funding sources. This is all smoke and mirrors designed to make you think something is being done

    OFFERED BY MR. AMASH OF MICHIGAN
    At the end of the bill (before the short title), insert
    the following new section:
    1 SEC. ll. None of the funds made available by this
    2 Act may be used to collect tangible things pursuant to an
    3 order under section 501 of the Foreign Intelligence Sur
    4 veillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1861) if such things do
    5 not pertain to a person who is the subject of an investiga
    6 tion described in such section.

    Source http://amendments-rules.house.gov/amendments/AMASH_017_xml716131340524052.pdf

  3. Rhyolite

    Yes, this would effectively de-fund the program. You would have to pass a separate special appropriation to fund the program if it is prohibited in the defense appropriation bill that covers the NSA. You may be able to move funds around within a given appropriation if funding is not prohibited, as it would be in this case, but you can't move funds from another appropriation.

  4. lasermike026

    Subverting the constitution took decades. It might take decades to get it back. This is one effort and if we REALLY care it will not be the last.

  5. Rhyolite

    Sorry, you are simply incorrect. While the intelligence budgets are not public, the appropriations are included under the defense appropriations bill.

    Here is a primer from the Congressional Research Service on the intelligence budget:

    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/R42061.pdf

    From the summary: "Over 90% of intelligence appropriations are included (or “hidden”) within the budget of the Department of Defense (DOD)." This includes all of the appropriation for the NSA.

    There actually has been a long running parlor game amongst defense journalists who comb through the defense appropriations bill and try to back out the obscure line items that are going to fund black projects. This is how we have estimates of the intelligence budgets.

    In summary, the NSA appropriation is covered by the defense appropriation bill and, yes, this amendment would limit the ability of the NSA to spend its funds on these programs.

Continue the discussion at bbs.boingboing.net

17 more replies