School Time Rock - Electoral College

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  1. Approvingly quoting Alexander Hamilton, the guy who wanted America to be ruled by a dictator-for-life, seems a bridge too far.

    Once again, let's learn the lesson here: Trump is the pumpkin medal we've earned for having a dysfunctional political system that failed to respond to a crumbling America. Instead of melting down, blaming the Russians, and hoping for the dead shadow of Clinton to come save us, let's move the fuck on.

    The only possible way of stopping Trump from destroying this country utterly is building a viable, honest, democratic political party. That means repudiating Clinton, neoliberalism, and the horrific, self-serving party apparatus that has turned elections into an empty game. It means repudiating the system of lobbying and backdoor deal-making that has thoroughly rotted Washington.

    This means that instead of pining for a repudiation of the result of the election by unaccountable authority, we need to be fighting Howard Dean and his ilk, who will otherwise be happy to blindly pursue their own power at our expense.

    Or we can cry in our soup for the next two years, mutter about what should have been, and watch as the country slides into a hole.

  2. I think you might want to do a bit more research into both Hamilton and the significance of the Federalist Papers which the quote came from. You're saying Hamilton, George Washington's right hand man, Founding Father, one of the most prominent promoters of the Constitution and its ratification, and co-author of the Federalist Papers, the most definitive document for interpreting the Constitution, shouldn't be quoted on Constitutional matters.

  3. I think that very few people are actually hoping that the result of recounts is a President Clinton at this point. Even her supporters largely feel that overturning the projected electoral count right now would be utter chaos and result in a discredited Democratic President and possible actual guns-a-blazin' fights. To my mind, the goal is to discredit Trump himself even further. To show how few people actually support him, to take away any thought of a "mandate", and to cause him to lose as much face and power as possible.

    He's claimed repeatedly that he only lost the popular vote due to massive widespread voter fraud. I support the idea of proving him wrong as definitively as possible.

  4. Shuck says:

    Easily said, not so much done.

    Which, should it happen, will come too late to save anything. Even if they instantly got their shit together, they wouldn't be in a position to impact anything until after Cheeto Mussolini and the Republican congress have destroyed the social safety net, put one or more reactionaries into the Supreme Court, destroyed the US's international relations, installed a kleptocracy and destroyed voting rights which would prevent the newly reformed Democrats from coming back into power. The recount fantasy exists (mostly as acknowledged fantasy) precisely because of how completely and permanently fucked we'll be if tRump takes office.

    Plus, the myth of voter fraud has been used to disenfranchise voters - imagine what a lie this big, if left unchallenged, would be used to do in that regard. I mean, I think they'll still at least try to disenfranchise Democratic voters to stay in power, but if we acknowledge the lie, they'll have a harder time doing it.

    It is. We've already seen one member who said he could not, in conscience, vote for tRump resign his position instead.

  5. Enkita says:

    No, I'm sorry, you are not. You are republicanly fucked. You fought a war over it, remember.

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