Hot rod painted using dressmaker's lace stencil

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  1. Takuan says:

    I do not claim to know every symbol used by all humanity throughout all time. Perhaps you should not either.

    What is evident in the photographs is a smudged, old tattoo that could possibly be an SS lightning bolt -
    or something else? Is there any other supporting evidence? Beyond the obvious that all car fans and painters are obviously card-carrying Nazi Party members?

    There is too much careless judgement in the world, and I for one would like to round up these judgemental people and throw them into camps. Along with any Nazis.

  2. Takuan says:

    And in what wise have you furthered the cause you espouse here? Have you made anything better in any way at all? Do you wish to?

  3. Cowicide says:

    #19, I posted a link in one of my posts above.

    Takuan: ” .. tattoo that could possibly be an SS lightning bolt … ”

    Takuan, you could possibly be naive as hell.

  4. Cowicide says:

    > And in what wise have you furthered the cause you espouse here

    I guess you missed the point.

    Which only “furthers the cause” of my amusement at this point. LOL

  5. Cowicide says:

    Here’s the tattoo that could just “possibly” be a Nazi SS symbol by some crazy stretch of one’s imagination.

    http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/sp/speedgeeks/DSC_3560.JPG

  6. Takuan says:

    Why would you be amused at this juncture?

  7. Cowicide says:

    > Have you made anything better in any way at all?

    Let’s see, you dismiss half the people up there, but defend your side and that was supposed to “make things better” somehow? Haha.. Let’s just agree to disagree and leave it at that, ok?

    Besides, I can’t believe you got so offended by a symbol. I just put that up there to remind myself to be a better person… m’kay, sweetie? Damn, doesn’t hypocrisy pain you? Ironically, in the end, it was you who finally fell on your own sword.

    It was a joke, m’kay? PEACE and good night. LOL…

  8. Takuan says:

    naive or carelessly judgemental; both neither here nor there until the truth is known.

    For all we know,he has a huge Star of David tattoo on his chest.

  9. Takuan says:

    My side? I wasn’t aware of having one.

    Please elaborate on these people I have dismissed. Also, what is this symbol you feel has offended me?

  10. Cowicide says:

    Takuan: “… For all we know,he has a huge Star of David tattoo on his chest … ”

    For all we know, he has monkeys flying out of his ass… but it doesn’t change the fact that he has a very prominent Nazi SS symbol tatt on his hand for all to easily see. It’s called “making a statement” Takuan… and it’s a very clear one at that.

    If I walk into a bar and scream, “I support the extermination of Jews!”, I don’t think security is going to check my chest for a Star of David before they throw my ass out, are they?

    At this point, you are either a troll or incredibly naive. Takuan, you don’t get out of the house much, do you? I’ve been deeply entrnched into the auto, etc. customization scene and I can tell you very assuredly.., this IS a Nazi SS symbol and you have to be incredibly sheltered to not know better…. and incredibly naive to not know what it means. Let’s use some common sense, ok?

  11. Takuan says:

    “common sense” dictates care and caution when imputing serious charges. You still have no further evidence than the immediate and superficial.

    Further, you cannot know the heart and mind of this man. Perhaps you are correct and he had it applied as a symbol of fear and hate. Perhaps since then he has learned something and keeps it as a reminder.

    Be careful you do not become what you declare to hate.

  12. IWood says:

    Hey, Cow-

    You know how Kirk found this post? Because I went to Jalopyjournal, joined, and sent him a PM asking him about the tats. Turns out they weren’t his hands and, frankly, I didn’t care enough to pursue the guy whose hands they were, and it wouldn’t have been appropriate to demand that Kirk put me in touch with the man. But if I did get in touch with him, I would’ve done it the same way: in private, with no one involved but me and him. And I would’ve come back here afterwards, so that concerned citizens such as yourself could know what the deal was.

    So, if you’re “the same way in RL,” should I assume that you speak loudly, publicly, and at great length about your convictions in familiar, friendly places?

    Tat-boy might be a nazi. Kirk might be a homophobe. But you? You’re a Pharisee, loudly and repeatedly proclaiming your own worth on the street corner so that everyone can see you while you righteously point out the sins of others.

    Good for you! You think in the Approved Fashion, and now everyone knows it.

    BB has the reputation of being a place populated by intelligent folks. So, maybe someone can help me out: there’s a word for someone who assumes that something is true without doing everything they can to confirm or deny it…what is that word…fundamentalist? Dogmatic? Nah, that’s not quite it. It’ll come to me.

    Anyway: if you’re so sure about it, and so outraged, why don’t you do what I did? Seek Kirk out. See if he’ll put you in touch with his laceworking buddy. Then, by gum, you denounce that Nazi fucker! You can even blog about it afterwards.

    Or are you just a wishy-washy pussy?

  13. Cowicide says:

    > My side? I wasn’t aware of having one.

    That’s funny… in the beginning of this thread, you couldn’t see an obvious Nazi SS symbol (it could be something else, right?), but then you came around… and now you don’t see any side you may have been on previously in this thread. And suddenly, you can no longer see obvious links that you’ve seen and used before in other threads… but strangly you got a little upset after “not” seeing the symbol I linked to. You are unbelievable (literally)…. LOL You can take that sword out of your gut now…. G’nite…

  14. Takuan says:

    Why not read about Mara – and maya? What harm could it do?

  15. Hellblazer says:

    #6

    Ish of West Coast Customs also used a lace overlay for a paint job on an episode of Pimp My Ride.

  16. Cowicide says:

    > Why not read about Mara – and maya? What harm could it do?

    Sure, send some links my way, thx.

  17. Takuan says:

    no no, you must look. I have already said too much.
    I wish you the very best.

    “takuan”

  18. Cowicide says:

    > no no, you must look. I have already said too much.
    > I wish you the very best.

    Ok, you too, goodnight.

  19. Pipenta says:

    A bunch of queens?

    Kirk, your buddy is a nazi, and you are a homophobe.

    Ugh. What a pair of lowlifes.

  20. missed says:

    is it me or does the stencil artist have the infamous SS symbol tattooed on his hand?

  21. KIRK says:

    “A bunch of queens?

    Kirk, your buddy is a nazi, and you are a homophobe.

    Ugh. What a pair of lowlifes.”

    Wow, you nailed us to a T. Boy, you people sho is smart around here.

  22. plainsaman says:

    If I went to all that cosmetic effort on a custom, I sure as heck would have media blasted the interior rust out of there and sealed it up. How long before that cancer starts nibbling through someplace and screws up all that work?

  23. Tgg161 says:

    Nice find, Coop. I hope I remember to check for photos of the finished product.

  24. m00nch1ld says:

    @Missed: Yes, he has. And no matter what a great artist he may be, he’s still a Nazi. And I find it quite difficult, if one of the last posts deals with the atrocities companies did during the nazi regime, to have an “Oh, what a great artist! Too bad he’s antisemitic arse! But great art!” post next.

  25. Cowicide says:

    [Sorry Teresa, I'll try to remain calmer now]

    Response to Kirk:

    > I am one of the most upstanding citizens you’ll ever meet

    Humble too.

    > {I} have literally thousands of people
    > who would back me up on that.

    Maybe there are also thousands who wouldn’t? LOL

    I bet we can start with some of the folks you attacked in this thread up there. Haha..

    > I am a very public figure

    Good for you!

    > [I am] very well respected

    I’m Good Enough, I’m Smart Enough, and Gosh Darn It, People Like Me.

    > But I will ask you one question that may (I doubt it)
    > get you thinking about his tattoos … prison … ”

    Actually, despite your doubts, I did consider that and figured that was (probably) where he got his tatt in the first place. You know… you see them on necks and hands in prison so they are prominent enough and (hopefully, if it works out for them) intimidating enough for some who think they need it.

    Kirk, as others here have said… what’s pathetic is he could have had the tatt removed after prison, but he chooses to keep it on his hand to remind him of what? Not to display hate anymore? LOL

    Does he wave to Jews whose family members were exterminated (link NSFW) not too long ago by the SS with that hand? Wow, what a nice kick in the nuts. Bet that really brightens their day and brightens the day of other minorities as well once all the warm and fuzzy feelings of oppression hits them.

    Kirk, I’m glad thousands of people think you are as amazing as you do, but it doesn’t change the fact that you are a hypocrite and got very nasty with people (the others in this thread, not me) who simply looked at the very obvious, unabashed symbol of hate on his hand and called it out. As people SHOULD do in this case.

    Nazism spread by acceptance and complacency. No one is saying we should put him in jail or force him to do ANYTHING and I would actually strongly object against anyone who would suggest that we put the dude in jail, etc.

    But, should we just sit in silence while Nazism is brashly displayed? Nope, we won’t and we are not sorry. Ever heard the expression “silence is acceptance”? To us, it applies here and we are not alone, thank god.

    > I guess in your self-righteous little make believe world no
    > one should get a chance to rehabilitate or better themselves.

    I was kidding before… but, seriously, I WILL raise money for him to remove it if he can’t afford it.

    > Apparently you try to hide anything embarrassing that you
    > have done in your past. Actually, I’m sure you have never
    > done anything embarrassing except make a fool of yourself
    > with a keyboard.

    BTW, I’m a felon. Nice to meet you. But, for some reason, I still don’t have a Swastika on my forehead. I would DIE before I would ever be chicken enough to put one anywhere on my body.

    BTW, if he’s truly not racist and doesn’t support Nazis (AT ALL), I apologize. But, I will not apologize for thinking he’s a complete idiot for keeping that symbol of absolute hatred on his hand and I doubt you’re going to get anyone else in this thread that you’ve attacked to say they are sorry either. It ain’t gonna happen.

    BTW, his wife being hispanic doesn’t mean much to me, even the Aryan Brotherhood and Mexican Mafia are allies.

    But, I’ll take your word on it (to some extent, anyway) that he at least likes hispanic women.

    > We’re all of the Nazis evil? I don’t think so.

    So what’s your point? Who at this point in History does NOT know what Nazis truly stand for now? Are you saying he got the Nazi SS tatt before WWII? LOL

    > Is it human nature to oppress others?
    > Yes. You are living proof.

    I wonder how many Jewish people he lovingly sits next to at restaurants who get intimidated, lose their appetite and leave. How many minorities have seen that tatt and wonder just how welcome they are in this country… you know, start getting that oh so “oppressive” feeling you keep preaching about?

    Well, I shouldn’t care… apparently I’m too oppressive, fascist and fundamentalist to be an “upstanding citizen”, right? The key word there is…. UPSTANDING, by the way.

    Hey, at least you recognize what the symbol means. I’ll give you that over some of the others here. LOL

    > All of the judgments you’ve made are no different than
    > that of the Nazis and their condemnation of the “different.”

    Well, then…

    I guess I should get a Nazi SS tatt on my forehead so every time I look in the mirror I’ll remember not to condemn people who are different from me like the Nazis did.

    Nevermind that in the meantime, when I go outside… the prominent tatt condemns people who are different from me.

    Makes sense, right?

  26. nw154 says:

    Very nice!

    This one is also nice: Toile car on flickr:

    http://flickr.com/photos/chrisrako/387715327/

  27. E0157H7 says:

    Wow, people sure are flipping out over a tattoo on the hand of some dude that they’ve never met. I like the lace-as-stencil concept. I wouldn’t have thought that it would work well, but there you go.

  28. Cowicide says:

    > Perhaps since then he has learned something
    > and keeps it as a reminder.

    Yes, that’s very poetic and highly likely. Maybe he just keeps it on his hand so he’ll remember to say a kind word to the next jew or black he sees on the street. Maybe he should also get one on his forehead so every time he looks in the mirror he’ll remember to give the next black or jew he sees a big bear hug?

    That’s so very sweet and almost brings a tear to my eye. From what I understand, it’s becoming quite the trend to display Nazi symbols on yourself to spread diversity and understanding. It’s a great idea; love it.

    Or… maybe it helps remind people what a Nazi asshole he is? I think I’ll go with that one like anyone else with a brain would.

    thx troll-on bye

  29. liquado says:

    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, Steven.

    Sorry, but if you’re not a racist douche any more, get your old douche-ish tats covered. Ye gads, the amount of $$$ they’ve spent on this shows he can afford it.

    Was going to follow the story to see the end result, but can’t quite bring myself to, now.

  30. Takuan says:

    alas, one of my many failings is to indulge my baser urges by allowing some to impale themselves on my sword. This is true and I am ashamed somewhat.

    Perhaps this could be mitigated in some small way by the self-examination provoked in those who may wish to reconsider their words now that they are out for he world to see.

  31. IWood says:

    This is going to look amazing when it’s unveiled…

    And, #3:

    Wow. I wish I could tell everything I need to know about a person just by looking at an old tattoo on the back of their hand. Convenience plus!

  32. Cowicide says:

    > Thanks for proving me right yet again.

    Great response, very well thought out like your “bunch of queens” comment you made to everyone else above. Good going.

    Enjoy THIS tatt, Kirk.

    Take a long, hard look into Henry’s eyes (if you can). Would you so vociferously defend your bros tatt right to Henry’s face, I wonder? I’d love to arrange that meeting for you and Henry and video tape it for your thousands of friends to see. Come on, upstanding citizen… you going to stand up?

  33. KIRK says:

    Cowicide, you are just plain pathetic. All of the judgments you’ve made are no different than that of the Nazis and their condemnation of the “different.” As for me, I am one of the most upstanding citizens you’ll ever meet and have literally thousands of people who would back me up on that. I am a very public figure who is very well respected and I absolutely and loudly denounce anyone who harms another. That includes people who seek to strip others of their rights or individuality.

    That being said, it is not my place to defend the painter in the photos. But I will ask you one question that may (I doubt it) get you thinking about his tattoos…have you ever been to prison? For years? Do you know how you would survive if you did?

    I guess in your self-righteous little make believe world no one should get a chance to rehabilitate or better themselves. For some, that means keeping pieces of the past around to remind you what not to do again. Apparently you try to hide anything embarrassing that you have done in your past. Actually, I’m sure you have never done anything embarrassing except make a fool of yourself with a keyboard.

    Also, I’ll absolutely take your bet that he is not a Nazi. I really don’t think he’d have a Hispanic wife if he was racist.

    We’re all of the Nazis evil? I don’t think so. Were the leaders, and those who followed the too far? Absolutely! Is it human nature to oppress others? Yes. You are living proof.

  34. Antinous says:

    Takuan,

    Semiotiphobia?

  35. RyanH says:

    #4
    I’m all for not jumping to conclusions about people. Books and covers and all that. However, anyone with a prominent Nazi symbol inked into their skin has basically declared their beliefs for the world to see.

  36. Cowicide says:

    > people sure are flipping out over a tattoo
    > on the hand of some dude that they’ve never met

    Yes, over a Nazi SS tattoo, yes. How crazy is that? I guess if I met him, I could find out he’s one of those “really cool” Nazis, huh?

    E0157H7, Takuan

    Damn, some people have become so pussified that if left up to them, the Nazis could take over if they gave it a half-assed attempt. By the time you pussies would dare have the nerve to “say anything” for fear it might make you look “unhip” or “uncool” (or just plain afraid of getting hurt) it would be too late and you hipsters would already have a bullet in your head.

    Just admit you are a nazi sympathizer or a pussy too afraid to take a stand and lets move on. Only a complete idiot would look at that prominent Nazi SS symbol on that guy’s hand and think it has nothing to do with him being a nazi sympathizer or worse. If he REALLY regretted that tatt, he would have if removed. My God, how stupid and flakey can you people get? HE’S A NAZI, FOLKS.

    And, YES, I am the same way in RL and… Takuan? I don’t regret ONE word I’ve said here. Actually, I’m being much calmer here about this than in RL in order to avoid being disemvoweled by the moderator.

    Take a stand you wishy washy pussies.

  37. Takuan says:

    close, but phobia is involuntary…..

    Umwelto-irritiability?

  38. KIRK says:

    Can you see out of that hole you keep digging? Keep preaching louder. It makes it harder to hear yourself.

    One last thing before I leave this thread. Does your self-righteous condemnation include Christian and Catholic symbols like the cross and Virgin Mary too? Check your history books about little things called the Inquisition and the Crusades. You might have to add a TON more people to swing at from your high horse. I see people all day long with those symbols. It still doesn’t make any of the atrocities the Nazis committed even tolerable, but luckily the other thing in human nature other than oppression is forgiveness. Our whole country is based on Christian morals (I happen to believe in most of them). Does that put all of us in league with the evils of the Christians and Catholics of the past?

  39. Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Moderator says:

    Cowicide, you’re usually so much more sensible than this.

    Today, not.

  40. Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Moderator says:

    Guys, I have other work that desperately needs to get done. When that’s finished, this thread is getting cleaned up with a wire brush. Go ahead and keep calling each other pussy and Nazi if you want. Just don’t expect to keep your vowels if you do.

  41. Takuan says:

    Is there a proper word or term for the act of taking offence from a symbol?

  42. dculberson says:

    Cowicide, any point you might have had has been lost in your overbearing manner.

    It would work well in kicking someone out of a bar, but not here.

  43. vespabelle says:

    Phyllis Yes (artist and art professor at Lewis and Clark College in Portland OR) painted her Porsche with lace back in the 1980s.

  44. Antinous says:

    Teresa,

    Your last post was like bait on a hook when I saw it on the home page. Now everybody’s going to come here and re-animate this corpse!

  45. Piove says:

    I am a former criminal. I guess in the US I would be called a felon. I have tattoos that others would find offensive. I keep them and it reminds me of who I was and where I was.
    I would *NEVER* get the same tatts again, and I am fortunate that they are coverable with a t-shirt.
    However, I will not get rid of them. One of the things that they inspire in me is humility.
    I have had to explain them to my wife, and in the near future, I will have to explain them to my children.

    I don’t like nazi symbols (and for the record mine are not), but I will not judge the man for what is ink. No matter how offensive.

    I worked for a long time as a journalist, including a stint as a photographer for a tattoo magazine.
    I learned very quickly that there are those who no longer have the values that they did when the tatts were inked, but use them as a signpost for themselves. As do I.

    Tattoos are personal. If it offends, then that is/was probably the point. I know some of mine were used for that.
    The same goes for intimidation.

    Ask the question of the wearer, I often did.
    Be ready to be told to fuck off. I often did, and often do.

  46. Takuan says:

    In the visual exchange of information, where does one person’s rights end and begin?

  47. Takuan says:

    *snifff?* ahhhhh, the sweet aroma of decay, fear, bile and dried blood…. I must feed now.

  48. Piove says:

    @Takuan
    Not just the visual Takuan.
    This is also a media of visual exchange.

    Getting offensive ink is not (yet) a crime.
    I have met and interviewed those who think all ink is offensive.

    I decide what I get on my skin but I have had an artist refuse to put a certain image in a highly visible place.

    An open mind and tolerance go a long way.
    Both for the likes of Cowicide, and for Kirk.

    Harsh judgements do more harm to the judger than the judged.
    If you look at my ink, I have no doubt some will be offended. I don’t care, your upset doesn’t upset me.
    There are those who will say it should, but that way lies the nanny state telling us all what to think and when to think it.

    I have been involved in the custom bike scene for more than a few years, and the hard thing to find is individuality.
    This is cool.

  49. Takuan says:

    I myself judge others by what I perceive to be their intent.

    If the intent of a tattoo is to offend,(at least,offend some if not all), I next ask myself: why? What is their intent? Where does it come from?

    Stop. Think. Think again.

    This does not mean that when I encounter people bearing symbols that I know to be associated with danger and threat that I blindly proceed.

    It is not that difficult to be ready to run or kill as required and also to keep the capacity for thought. This opens other possibilities like learning and even teaching.

  50. Piove says:

    I myself judge others by what I perceive to be their intent.

    Perceive.

    Exactly.

    I view the world through my own filters and refuse to see my own bigotry as such.

  51. Steven says:

    it is an attractive car. and i don’t like cars.

    but the nazi thing is troubling. #3, “an old tattoo” can be covered or removed: choosing to maintain the SS insignia on one’s hand is a pretty sure sign of deep-seated douche-baggery.

  52. KIRK says:

    Hey jackasses! I’m the owner of the laced ’60. First of all who the fuck gave anyone here permission to use MY photos??? Secondly, I took the photos, so those are not my hands. They are my good friends’ hands and if you have a question about his tattoos ask him instead of acting like a bunch of queens.

  53. Takuan says:

    Actually, you do. No harm or risk in admitting here.

    I often see the anonymity of the forum blamed for people behaving their worst. I, on the other hand, think it is an opportunity to safely admit to ourselves – before others – what we can’t say elsewhere.

    Anyone who knows he or she has filters is obviously not really bigotted.

  54. KIRK says:

    Also, judging other people whom you have no clue about is the ultimate douche-baggery. I’m sure he’ll rush right out and have his tattoos removed to please a bunch of whiney self-righteous bitches.

  55. Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Moderator says:

    Antinous, I can disemvowel and unpublish comments a lot faster than they can write them.

  56. searconflex says:

    Takuan is the anti-troll. (i’m new to this:})

  57. Takuan says:

    the reflection includes the object

  58. DefMech says:

    Speaking of “whiney self-righteous bitches”, you sure are upset about a bunch of strangers’ opinions on your friend’s tattoo. Is it really so strange that people might think less of him for getting a symbol like that branded permanently on his body? C’mon. If it was a stupid mistake he made earlier in his life, say so. If not, I’m going to continue thinking he’s a piece of trash and one hell of a painter.

  59. Takuan says:

    I am minded of Dr. Evil dealing with his obstreperous progeny, Scott.

  60. searconflex says:

    awww… and such a sweet*heart*

  61. mandeville says:

    I don’t know… I kind of appreciate the juxtaposition (yeah, I said it) of the faded Nazi SS hand tattoo and the pretty blue lace custom paint job. On the other hand, maybe he has “KI” (on the other hand) and is a huge KISS fan.

    The post is about the awesome paint job. Let’s talk about that instead.

  62. KIRK says:

    Cowiside: Thanks for proving me right yet again.

  63. Takuan says:

    that will do for now, your emotions have taken control of your rational processes. In time,we can discuss again.In the interim, I invite you to genuinely review and reflect.

  64. Takuan says:

    *blush*

  65. Cowicide says:

    IWood,

    Anyone is free to contact me about this via my blog (as you mentioned) and we can take it from there.

    Also, I’m not the only one that has a problem with this idiot (thank God or this country would be screwed) … I noticed your outnumbered hostile exchange above and Kirks inane reaction, etc.

    So keep in mind, I’m not alone in seeing the goddam OBVIOUS here.

    > I would’ve done it the same way: in private
    > with no one involved but me and him

    You “would’ve” huh?

    “Gee sir, does that Nazi SS logo etched prominently and permanently on your hand for all to see mean you are a Nazi or support them in some way? I mean, I don’t have a fucking clue otherwise.”

    Jesus, yeah be careful not to hurt a Nazi’s feelings but be sure and go on the attack on those here who refuse to put up with them.

    How clueless can you be? I’m the “fundamentalist”, etc. because I’m not a complete idiot who doesn’t understand what a Nazi SS symbol represents in this context (emblazoned obviously on a hand, neck, etc. with a tatt)? Face it, if the guy was so “embarrassed” of this tatt, he’d have it removed. I can’t believe I’m still having this inane conversation… if you guys are trolls, I gotta give you some props. Shall we contact him and start a monetary fund on boingboing to help him get the money he so desperately needs to get the tatt removed?

    IWood, you are just too cool, too hip, bro… “dude, maybe that obvious Nazi SS tatt on his hand means something else, dude.. like you are so closed-minded and even, like fascist about it… dude”

    Before I go ahead and contact you, Kirk and Nazi boy in RL, let me ask you something… will you publicly go ahead and offer a wager between me and you? I am willing to bet that this guy is a Nazi sympathizer at the very least… are you willing to bet anything of considerable value to yourself that he isn’t? I say we bet our home phone numbers and addresses just for a start. Game?

    It’s a real shame some of you guys don’t have the honor to call an incredibly obvious spade a spade and instead go on the ridiculous attack of those here who find support of Nazism despicable and are willing to call it out when they see it.

    “Dude, maybe he has the tatt on his hand to remind himself that hatred of minorities and showing props to a regime that murdered scores of innocent people and killed Americans is like way bad, dude… yeah, dude… far out….”

    My God, I had really hoped you guys were just trolls.

    > So, if you’re “the same way in RL,” should I assume that
    > you speak loudly, publicly, and at great length about your
    > convictions in familiar, friendly places?

    Yep, confronted a skinhead with a “White Power” tee-shirt (with a skin logo on it as well) and his buddies and they were thrown out of the bar about a month or so ago. Everyone was very pleased to see them go and thanked me. But, I’m sure you and your buddies here would’ve cried.

    Pass the tissue to your small, moronic group up there.

    And, yes, I am very willing to die for what I believe in just so you know… are you?

  66. variable potpourri says:

    ” 6 posted by vespabelle , January 8, 2008 10:39 AM
    Phyllis Yes (artist and art professor at Lewis and Clark College in Portland OR) painted her Porsche with lace back in the 1980s. ”

    Yes, thank you for the information — I was trying to recall who the artist was – saw that in Vogue of all places, back in the day…

  67. KIRK says:

    DEFMECH: How would thinking that people pre-judging someone is bad be self-righteous? Maybe get yourself a dictionary. Again, why should he cover something up just because it offends you? Most people offend me just by existing. I don’t judge them or expect them to change according to my preferences. People should not hide or erase their past, just learn from it.

    COOP: Hey dude, I didn’t realize you posted this on here originally. See you at GNRS! It’s gonna be good time. Stop by and say hey!

  68. Cowicide says:

    #13 posted by mandeville:

    > I kind of appreciate the juxtaposition (yeah, I said it)
    > of the faded Nazi SS hand tattoo and the pretty blue
    > lace custom paint job.

    The juxtaposition makes sense to me…

    Just like modern day Republican Conservatives, many of Germany’s Nazis were actually closeted homosexuals who hypocritically and publicly espoused hatred for homosexuals, but in the meantime, took it up the ass behind closed doors.

    Sigh, when are these rodents going to finally die off? WWII… gang wars in the 90′s against skins (heh, heh…), etc…. took care of many of em’ one way or another… but, yeah, I guess there are still a few stragglers to pick off, aren’t there?

    I used to dig the rockabilly scene, kustom kulture, etc. to a certain extent, but its infestation with fools like these made it sour pretty quickly.

    #13 posted by mandeville:

    > The post is about the awesome paint job.
    > Let’s talk about that instead.

    Sorry, my grandfather lost quite a few very good friends in WWII fighting these bastards and I’ve had attempts on my life by skins. It’s not going to get a… pass.

    I will say this… such a shame that such talent is wasted on such a piece of sub-human trash.

    I hope boingboing removes this entry, actually. The photographer doesn’t seem to want the photos here anyway and why give the idiots attention? And, it makes Coop look like a shithead too.

  69. Cowicide says:

    #17 posted by Takuan

    > is everything always as it seems?

    Takuan, get real. Show me a symbol that matches an SS logo with that style that means anything but THIS?

  70. Cowicide says:

    PIOVE said: ” … the nanny state telling us all what to think and when to think it. … ”

    Fellow ex-con, I salute you… Hi….

    Something for all to keep in mind. Everyone I’ve read up there, including myself, hasn’t said he should lose any of his rights and I do believe he has every right to display that symbol of oppression and hate on his body just as we have every right to say we think he’s doing a good job of expressing himself as a Nazi in that context.

    People have every right to be insensitive morons until it infringes upon the rights or safety of others. I also support the right for people to burn the American flag for that matter. Many of us Americans have risked our lives and died, ironically, to protect the rights of expression (no matter how insipid).

    On that note…

    Nazism started and spread as a war of ideas, did it not? That symbol at this point in history encapsulates those inhumane Nazi ideas (unless used in the context of parody, irony, etc.). Black families who have found burning crosses in their front yard know all too well how symbols can be quite “oppressive”.

    I think it’s very enlightened and healthy that we as a society (most of us anyway) don’t cooly sit back with blind, hipster, pseudo-intellectual obedience and cautiously “look the other way” when we see goose-steps going down the street or symbols that glorify it for fear of looking “uncool”. If you find that behavior “oppressive” like Kirk apparently does, I think you’ve got things reversed here (like he does). The Nazi SS symbol endorses oppression; we do not.

    If for our trouble we get called “a bunch of queens”, “self-righteous” (over and over and over), “fundamentalist”, etc. here on this forum, it’s well worth it. I don’t find those reactions “oppressive” (unlike the fragile Kirk) or anything; it’s just points of view and insults that I disagree with… I’ll survive them somehow….

    I don’t know what “value” the painter gets from being thought of as a Nazi; which I’m sure happens daily (if not hourly) for him unless he covers that symbol. But the “value” I get from expressing my disdain for Nazism is that I’m not another brick in the wall in the war of ideas.

    We’ve seen throughout history where horrible things like torture and genocide have spread because the masses were silent… because silence truly is acceptance. I can’t even imagine what the Bush Admin would be doing to the citizens of this country by now if it wasn’t for sites like boingboing, crooks and liars, etc. who speak out against them and spread dissent (ideas).

    I understand where Kirk is coming from as far as not judging a book by its cover, because you may open it and find a totally different story and I’m glad he now tells us that this guy apparently is not a Nazi and (I guess) his intention is not to spread Nazism (with a Nazi tattoo displayed prominently and without parody on his hand). But, I hate to tell him… he’s just another brick in the wall every time someone sees that tatt on his hand without explanation. For many, it’s another “vote” for intolerance of minorities and the belief in white superiority or worse. It’s a shame he chooses to walk this Earth leaving a trail of people he’s never met thinking he’s another vote for hate in this world so god damn full of it already.

    If thinking this way makes me a Nazi in Kirk’s eyes… then so be it.

    Response to Kirk:

    > Does your self-righteous condemnation include Christian and
    > Catholic symbols like the cross and Virgin Mary too?
    > Check your history books about little things called the
    > Inquisition and the Crusades.

    Kirk, you are digging yourself deeper and deeper into your own ridiculous hole.

    FACT: To the overwhelming majority of the world’s citizens a Nazi SS tattoo represents a clear and present hatred for minorities, etc. unless some other context is provided. It’s used universally as a symbol of hate. It’s why this thread took this very obvious (and immediate) turn to where people showed their disgust…. you know, those people that you, in turn, insulted because they don’t live in “KIRKLAND”.

    KIRKLAND: If there was a picture of someone wearing a necklace with a cross on it painting that car, the cross would remind people of the Spanish Inquisition.

    Dodging and grasping at straws instead of responding to any of the points I made in the previous post, huh, Kirk? Well, I really wish you’d at least answer just one question in particular I asked… Would you stare face to face with Henry and call him a “queen” if he objected to your pal’s tatt after seeing it offhand? It would be such a poetic moment for video, wouldn’t it? Let me know if you are up for it and I’ll contact Henry… ok, “standup” guy?

    Like I said earlier, I apologize (to a point) if your pal isn’t really a Nazi… but don’t you think you could have handled other people here on this thread with a little more respect yourself, Kirk? Start at the beginning of the thread and read your posts again maybe?

    [cow looks up at plastic, light up Virgin Mary on mini-skateboard and laughs]

  71. Takuan says:

    A review of posts from all parties here will show no one has made any statement in support of nazism.

    The same review does show unsupported assumptions are being made.

    Is it possible to begin again with no presumption of ill-intent on any side?

  72. help i cant comfirm my username themelonbread says:

    I don’t see it, where was the SS tattoo?

  73. Cowicide says:

    > The same review does show unsupported assumptions are being made.

    Hmmm…. then please don’t make any unsupported assumptions about this “mere” symbol.

    LOL

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