100Mbps Internet Connection For 11 USD Per Month

Danny Choo is a guestblogger on Boing Boing. Danny resides in Tokyo, and blogs about life in Japan and Japanese subculture - he also works part time for the empire.
dannychoo_internet.jpg This Japan Telecom chap is installing our second optic fiber 100Mbps Internet connection which I'm currently using to dish out images for dannychoo.com from a Mac Mini - uncapped connection with an average of 64Mbps down/55Mbps up. Cost is 11 USD per month with no setup fees either. The installation takes less than an hour and you can watch the whole process in my previous article. I remember when I first started out using the Internets back in the UK over ten years ago on a 56k modem - my first phone bill was over 200 pounds! How much does the Internets cost you in your region? Is it cheap or does your ISP require 7.2 pints of blood from you?


  1. price in the US is just way too high. If Japan can do it, why can’t we? Something is wrong here, and I don’t know what it is. Greed, maybe?

    Life isn’t fair, and then we die.

  2. You SUCK!

    By which of course I mean I am deeply and profoundly jealous of your unbelievably fast and cheap broadband. Broadband in Australia is currently way behind par. 55mbps upstream… *sigh*.

  3. Why not put the rate per second in terms people can actually relate to, instead of th bllsht “MPS” term the cable company came up with to fluff up the performance of cable modems, which on average have a speed of HALF A MEGABTYE, OR 500 KILOBYTES per second? Dng th cbl cmpny’s jb fr thm mks y lk rtrdd. People don’t measure file, hard drive and program sizes in “Mbps,” they measure them in MEGABYTES and, more and more, GIGABTYES and TERABYTES, so a download speed of 6.4 MEGABYTES per second really doesn’t sound so hot. ss.

  4. I hear ya, Robulus. My internet connection is 7Mb/s down, 0.3 Mb/s up. It’s 70 Gb/month (speed capped to 0.07 Mb/s after that) and runs me about 100 USD/month.

    You can get ‘unlimited’ plans in Oz, but the max speed is 1.5 Mb/s.

    When I tell my European mates this they stare at me as if I had just sprouted a third eye.

  5. 1Mbps down, 200k up. HUGE latency and often packet loss, $69.95 a month and it is the best deal I can find in this particular corner of unwired backward America.

    Makes me want to strangle a can’t do telco and the fraudsters who insist everything is fine here.

  6. Unlike you weanies I live in America, home of the free and land of the brave, and I get a rip-snorting 56K of dialup for only $15 a month.

    No mailbox, though. That costs extra. So I use gmail. GO AMERICA!! NUMBER ONE!!!!

  7. Here is Australia, I pay $AU70 per month ($US45) for an ADSL2+ connection that runs at about 12Mbps down/1Mbps up. Unfortunately, however, I have a bandwidth cap of 20GB for daytime “peak” usage (midnight -> midnight) and 40GB “off-peak” usage.

    It really limits online video watching, or at least means that I line up a list of videos and watch them all after midnight…

  8. Forgot to mention I’m also capped at 12gig per month and they are really tight about that. In fact they are overwhelmed with punitive impulses if you break the cap.

  9. Here in Sweden: 100 Mbps uncapped included in the rent. I guess there’s a fee baked in there but it’s hard to tell how big it is – as an individual I’d pay around $30 for the same service, but obviously the homeowners’ association has bargained it down way below that. (The ISP’s default fee, which I hope they’ve not accepted, is $17 per appartment.)

    Mind you, the actual speed is way lower, only about 36 Mbps up, 25 down.

  10. @2
    Sorry phelion but we’ve been using Megabits per second longer than general consumers have been around.
    Mainly because the final file size is not the size of transmitted data

    you might save a bit here or there with compression and add a bit here or there for header information

    a good guestimate is generally div by 10 for effective speeds though this will vary depending on the connection type
    100Mbps ethernet connections will generally top out at 12MB/s

  11. What are these sci-fi speeds you people talk of?
    In darkest Africa, where I live, you’re lucky to get a 384 connection with a 3gig cap for under R300 (about 30 dollars)

  12. I want to know who your ISP is!! I use Asahi.net and NTT for a standard home-style 100Mb connection and it’s about 6000 yen a month (after my introductory couple months at a cheap rate). Who are you using?

    One thing you forget to mention is that while fiber connections in Japan are almost all rated at 100 Mbit, none of them achieve those speeds. For residential use, there are normally two types, one costing about 3,000 yen / month which shares one fiber with your whole building, and another where a dedicated fiber is routed to your home or apartment, but still never reaches 100 Mbit.

    It gets even tougher when you talk about business types. I used to help companies order their connections when they opened their offices in Tokyo, and neither the ISPs employees, nor their websites would explicitly describe the difference between at 3,000 yen 100 Mbit connection and a 20,000 yen connection.

    Using NTT’s Flets service, I can reach about 30 Mbits occasionally if I download from a really fast server (like something served by Akamai, or a local Tokyo site). Of course, I want to connect to my favorite sites located all over the world, and my usual experience is about par with a typical cable connection back in the US.

    The nicety is being able to quickly VNC to my home computer, or to host websites reliably (like you are doing, Danny) on a simple home connection.

    Anyways, better stop this post before it rambles off into incoherence. Please tell me your experience with your connection!!

  13. Haha, and of course, I pour out a big diatribe about internet access, and THEN decide to click through your links to see that you are using Nifty for your ISP. Sounds like a good deal!

  14. It’d be interesting to see a chart or map of available internet speed correlated with population density. Tighter dwelling, more profit per bundle of fiber, I would guess…

  15. In the Philippines, around 20 US$ a month officially gets you anywhere from 384kbps to 1mbps. I say “officially” because thats what the posters and ads say. But in the Philippines, we know that the actual speeds you get are rarely the same as what they say in the ads. Most people are happy if they get 50%-75% of what was promised because they know Philippine ISP’s lie.

    – Vince

  16. @Cicada: Interesting idea.
    Can’t find a list of countries by internet speed, unfortunately, but the four data points we have in this thread (US, Australia, Japan and Sweden) tends to contradict a correlation between population density and speed:

    Sweden has 20 persons/km^2, while the US has 31.
    Sweden might just be an outlier, of course, as Japan has 339 persons/km^2 compared to Australia’s 2.84.

  17. @#15- Yeah, it’d have to get a bit more complex than that, though– I understand a great deal of Australia (the Outback) and Sweden (The frosty inland north) are relatively empty, but the populated areas tend to be fairly dense, while the US spreads out a little more evenly.

  18. I live in Krakow, Poland and have internet access through “UPC Broadband”. We’re supposed to have 20Mbs down and, I think 2Mbs up. We’re charged 100 PLN/mo (25.95 USD, 20.50 EUR) as part of a cable TV/internet package (total package cost is 205 PLN/mo (53.10 USD, 42.00 EUR).

    In reality we normally see a maximum of about 1000-1200 KB/sec down with the average being around 600-700 KB/sec down. Upstream maximum is the full 2Mbs, around 210 KB/sec …but the average is usually around 120-150 KB/sec.

    I am actually quite pleased with UPC. The service is extremely stable at around 99.97% uptime on a monthly average. There are no restrictions on how it is used or how much data is transferred. I share a few creative commons-licensed programs and some freely distributable documentation via torrent, along with running a Tor node among other things and we have never once heard a peep from UPC.

    While the service could be faster …because we live in Poland and so much content is hosted in the US, UK and Canada… I don’t think that it is really feasible (economically) to grab stuff from, say, California, 8000 kilometers away at 2.5 MB/sec for $25/mo. I’m fairly patient so an extra few minutes is ok.

  19. We’ve been on he net since 1995 and have paid about $50 /month (Canadian) since that time.
    We upgraded to broadband when it became available and it added about 10$/month to the bill – I have forgotten it’s been so long – but it’s been stable since.
    As we were early adopters, we have no bandwidth caps, like newer accounts do.
    It can download pretty quick, but bittorrent is throttled at some times (but not all).
    As we do not host, nor post nor upload, I rally don’t have a clue as to actual speeds.
    Fast enough, says I, for our modest uses.
    I would imagine that my ISP has profited from our almost fifteen-year period of monthly payments.
    I am surprised the price of a connection has not fallen: perhaps in the current deflation…

  20. I’m trying to write this through tears of disgust: on our little island of curacao in the caribbean, uts is holding a quasi-monopoly on our lines and i am paying 330 nafl (US$185) per month for… 2Mbps /512Kbps.


  21. i hate you :P
    (just kidding)

    currently im paying $49 a month (not including the required phone service) for 6mbs. in actuality i get just under 3mbs down, and a sad sad 250kbs up. sigh. im out in the backwoods of california.

  22. South Africa has abysmal broadband.

    *Excluding* line rental, I pay R150 (approx $15) per month for 1GB of data transfer. Yes, ONE. Extra $10 per gig.

    Average download speed:

  23. I live in Sweden (originally from U.K.) and since 2001 (the price hasn’t changed at all) I have been paying 275kr (just over $30) for 100Mbps down and 10Mbps up (although when I test I can often get 20Mbps up).
    It’s now possible, in some places in Sweden, to get 1Gbps connections for about $100 a month.
    (Steve in Sweden)

  24. I also live in Japan, and get similarly awesome internet. I don’t plan to return to Australia until it sucks less… which, going by the actions of the current government (Great Firewall of Oz, anyone? braindead morons) will be NEVER! Yay!

  25. In Brazil, I have “unbelievable” 6 mps for US$ 34 a month. I am not jealous about your 100 mps. Why would I need such speed? Life doesn’t happen at communication’s speed. :)

  26. 250kbs down (I average 60-70kbs), 30 kbs down for $35 bucks a month. It’s naked DSL from Embarq. It was either them or Comcast, and Comcast keeps surreptitiously increasing the price for their service every other bill. So believe me when I tell you how jealous I am of Mr. Cho’s service.

  27. In Hamburg (germany) the prices are around 30Euros per month for a Telephone and Internet flat rate.

    that is all land lines in Germany for a monthly rate and between 6MBPS (sorry) and 16. All the ISPs seem to rent lines form the national telephone company, which means it takes weeks sometimes months for them to set up a connection. After waiting and being screwed around by Alice/AKA Hansa net, I decided to change over to a very localised provider with a fibre optic network. They offer 30mbs – 100mbs connections. However the bad service show goes on here as I only yesterday discovered my Landlord had not installed the socket for the broadband cable connection , which i HAVE ALREADY BEEN PAYING FOR since I moved in… This takes another week or so before they can make an appointment to install that… hmmm.

  28. slovakia – orange fibernet

    70 Mbit/s down 4 Mbit/s up for less than 40 euro

    saying that, only couple of ports are actually shaped and if you are lucky enough to have vpn to some server on a faster link you can go up to full 100 mbit/s speed

  29. Irrespective of what you get and how much it costs…. man the amount of over head cabling in suburban Tokyo/Japan is appalling.

    The last time I saw that much cable in the air it was running a tram system in Melbourne.
    And that wasn’t attached to houses.

    If they attached that much cable to your house in the UK you’d find your TV gone out of the first floor window.

  30. #12 Few servers will serve up 100Mbps but we get close to this between our Tokyo offices over fiber. Home connections have zero SLA so I wouldn’t be too keen to serve up anything critical.

    Japan broadband is sweet, especially when you consider it was far behind many other countries not so long ago.

  31. I wished all new houses in the UK used the same wire method as Japan.

    Saves having umpteen holes spattered about when cheapo installers take the shortest route instead of neatest/attractive route when fitting phone/cable/satellite.

    As for wires-on-poles, I live in an area that has power/phone like that – but the cable co. cannot use it. (either dont want to, or BT tell them to ‘make like a tree’)

  32. #25 I was told by an NTT guy the reason cables haven’t gone underground in Japan is to aid repair after a major earthquake but after seeing roads blocked to rescue crews by fallen polls in the Hanshin quake, I don’t see the logic of this one.

  33. 640 kps down, 100 kps up … (that is actual speed i see from various apps I am running) .. on occasion I even saw 1 mps … woah .. and i pay 40 EU plus tax .. here in Italy .. and this is the 20 Mega pack that telecom italia offers .. so far the fastest I had here and from what I know is available … but mother-in-law’s connection in Japan was way quicker .. and now reading all this . i feel I always keep grabbing the short straw

  34. not many comments from Cana-duh. people too ashamed to say they are fromm ‘such a great country’ and then admit they let the corps suck the life out of them. we still pay exorbitant rates. Ted Rogers died, and he took our money with him.

  35. I average 50k/s down, 23up and get raped for $64 a month, no cap, 2 year contract via a EVDO card (nearest tower is 10 miles away) from Alltel. I happen to live is West Chuckaphuck though, so it beats dialup at $40 a month (phone+$9 a month generic dialup account). Good enough to play Guildwars and suck files via Bittorrent, and stream youtube sometimes.

    The bonus is I don’t have 20 million people sharing my air.

  36. Comcast in my region runs about $50US per month, “6MBPS down, 2MBPS up” but in reality its closer to 2MBPS down and 1.6 up. Enough for gaming with little lag, but not enough to share with the neighbors.

    Comcast still actively disrupts torrents on occasion and there are fairly frequent outtages. My only real complaint is that every 9 months or so they increase service charges and I have to spend an hour on the phone threatening to switch to DSL before they drop $5 off the $10 increase (2 years ago, I was paying $30).

  37. Weird situation here — Hamilton Ontario Canada with a Quebecois provider because of bizarre Canadian rules about cable ‘monopolies’ — monopolies are in fact the rule, but Ted Rogers couldn’t own Ontario lock stock and barrel, hence the Quebecois subsidiary. As a bastard stepchild, in Canada, Cogeco Ontario has the freedom of the techie/proletariat provided they conform to the ‘bandwidth cap’ dictat of the Rogers/Bell duopoly.

    For $50/month we get 60GB total, period. (officially anyways; if we go over we must make a few nuisance calls, after which everything returns to normal)

  38. 10 Mbps (100 Mbps metro area) in Romania for $10 plus free: installation, static ip, 1 Gb web hosting (PHP/Mysql).

  39. I hate to see you guys arguing for such good internet speeds….
    I pay U$ 45.00 plus tax for a 512 kbps, in which I get speeds of 50k down and like 20-25 up!!!!!
    Just so you know, I live in central america…

  40. Ireland and our internationally renowned friends/ISP Eircom…the bastards. €40 per month for 4Mb Up, 500kps down. No cap.Quality varies all over the shop. 6mbs Up when I tested it on sunday night, 658kpbs Up just now.Eircom, Bastards. Did I mention…bastards?

  41. Mbps is also the measure you will see if you look at Ethernet, Firewire, USB, hard drives, etc. It causes a lot of confusion. But it would cause more confusion to use MBps, unless everyone switched at once (in which there would still be a period of intense confusion, but we’d get it over with).

  42. Here in the sad Mexico City the best deal is 1Mbps down, 100kbps up for $USD 30. That’s the nice thing about having a monopoly in telecomunications :(

  43. Blah…you people make me ILL in a very envious way!

    I live in a small town (1500 pop.) 40 miles north west of Fort Worth, Texas.

    Our options are: dial-up, wireless, satellite.

    We tried the wireless first and were highly disappointed. There were no equipment or installation charges, but we paid $50 (U.S.) a month. It was obvious in the first week that they had oversold their capacity and couldn’t keep their customers online. We had five days of service out of a month.

    Then we went to Hughes Net satellite. The equipment cost $400. The monthly charge is $70. They claim in their advertising that we should be getting “1.2 Mbps, with typical speeds about 700 Kbps to 800 Kbps during peak times. Upload speeds, which are capable of reaching 200 Kbps, are typically 100 Kbps to 120 Kbps during peak hours,” but that is crap.

    Very early in the morning we can reach speeds of 200 Kbps download, but average is 100 Kbps. By 10 a.m.that drops to 50 Kbps. During peak time in the evening that falls to a pathetic 10-15 Kbps. Top that off with a 350 MEGS per day “FAP” limit and it add up to a giant rip off. They do have one period from 2-5 a.m. where downloading doesn’t count against your “FAP” limit, but big whoop; I’m asleep then.

    Needless to say, I’m kind of tired of hearing people complain about how slow and expensive their internet is. 10 KBPS! That’s what I get.

  44. Wasn’t there a study that showed (extrapolated) that many, many Americans either weren’t interested in getting an internet connection at home OR getting a faster connection than the one they currently have.

    I understand they may not be among the Boing Boing readership, or their close relatives/friends, but it seems reasonable.

    How many houses are passed by with either fiber or coax where the owners don’t availthemselves of the services? More than half, I assume (anyone have real stats? Interesting number of households in US, number passed by with high-speen Internet offerings (DSL, Cable, Fiber), and the number that avail themselves of the service).

  45. People know why Japan has such speeds for so cheap, right?

    No, it is not some magic population density equation. Forced sharing of lines, enacted by the government almost 10 years ago. Telecoms were required to lease their lines to any company willing to pay $1 per customer to carry the data. (Well, that was the price in 2003 when I did my research on the topic. At the time yahoo! was offering ~20Mbps for $21.)

    This is an example of market competition bringing prices down. The effect is nearly automatic. That is, if we citizens pressure our own respective governments to take similar action, we ourselves can enjoy these speeds (a while from now).

  46. Paying $46/mo. for 8mbps down/1mpbs up DSL. I’m lucky to get either with any sort of consistency. Of course, the provider blames upstream. DSL sucks, but cable isn’t any better. I long for fiber.

  47. Canada, 6mbps down, 1mbps up DSL, $45 CAD. It would be nice if the CRTC would force lower tariffs, instead of waiting for “market forces” to workaround the last mile monopoly.

  48. I have pretty much the american equivalent of #6 up there, sans the cap.

    damn my living in an old suburb that’s probably still running on copper lines from presumably the 80s.

  49. TimeWarner Cable in North Carolina: 700K/sec down and 45K/sec up for $45/month from a residential RoadRunner account.

    DeltaCom in North Carolina: 150K/sec down and 150K/sec up that I believe would cost around $350/month if we bought only the T1 from them.

  50. south-east london maximum I have managed to get is about 800k/s dl and 250k/s ul, which is about 5 sec to download and 16 sec to upload a song… (i am lost with all those MB and mb!), paying £17.5 / US$25 / Euro$20 per month, unlimited. Not a bad deal around here…

  51. Time Warner Cable in Columbus, Ohio, USA: 6Mbps down and 768K up, $45/mo. Speed tests pretty reliably pull 5.8Mbps and 512K respectively.

    I’m satisfied but would obviously love faster and cheaper!

  52. Just upgraded to 12mbps down and 2mbps up from Du in Dubai which is presently the max available here.

    Was on 1mbps down and 512kpbs up previously.

    Obviously it’s like night and day.

    Used to pay USD 67 per month, now I’m paying USD 200…

    Sigh…the price of progress…

  53. 6 down 2 up cost 9 times that amount here,

    One Tenth the speed at ten times the price.

    Half of that is for POTS on the DSL line but still. There is some sort of inequality going on here. How are the Japanese paying for it? The Government provides most of the cost? Or are we price gouging for much less here.

    Before you go off on how vast the US is, consider that Japan isn’t really that small. It is at least the size of California.

    The US needs to get this level of bandwidth to every corner of the country, at this price.

  54. in Italy i have an adsl2+ 7mbps down\1mbps upload for 28 euros a month plus 200euros of activation fee. no caps but the speed is more like 1mbps down\200-300kbps up, lags as hell and i get occasional downtime (from a couple of hours to an entire weekend) every couple of months.

    in Greece i have an adsl line 1mbps down\384k up for 25euros a month no caps, no activation fee, and they gave me for free a philips wifi-modem router. it works at the declared speeds.

  55. 24down/1 up (theoretically, usually ~75% of that) for £17.50/m. Be/O2; one of the best deals available in Mud Island…

  56. I live in Sweden (originally from U.K.). Since 2001, when I moved here, I have been paying 275kr (just over $30) per month for 100Mbps down and 10Mbps up. There is no monthly cap and the speed is near advertised. I get around 80Mbps down and 20Mbps up (strange but true) when I measure using the tptest tool provided by the telecoms ministry (PTS) here in Sweden.

    In some places in Sweden it’s already possible to get 1Gbps connections for about $100 per month.

  57. I pay $60 (as part of a Bundle) for 20Mbps/20Mbps FiOS. Super stable, super fast, never slows down….EVER!
    FiOS..it’s not Internet, it’s unfetteredNet.

  58. since *satan.com(cast)* charges $70 monthly PLUS installation (which they won’t let you do by yourself)I decided to spend that money purchasing a shiny new Macbook, and going to the local pub at happy hour for $3 microbrews, FREE Wi-fi and some socialization. Much better deal, and it keeps me from spending my whole life staring at the screen.

  59. Here in Tel Aviv we pay 100 NIS (approx. $25) for 1.5 Mbps – half goes to the cable company and half to the internet provider. You can upgrade to 3 and 5 Mbps, but the rumor is that the infrastructure isn’t really set up for anything faster and even 5 Mbps isn’t really 5 Mbps. Honestly, I don’t even think our 1.5 is actually 1.5 – but maybe I’m just impatient.

  60. Here in Germany I have one of the most sophisticated plans that is available to average folks from “Deutsche Telekom”. Up to 16.000 KBPS downstream and a fraction of that upstream. Part of a bundle (which also includes a landline phone flatrate) that is 50 €/month.

  61. /am in Manila. I have hsdpa. 1.5 mbps, no limit, approx U$25 which goes to the mobile phone company/provider. I get frequent bursts of 100mb/sec but this is because I live near their main transmission facility. Slows down dramatically during peak hours. Wish it were fast as yours. But the nice thing about this, I’m truly mobile and I carry mah internet with me. As long as there’s a signal anywhere in the archipelago, I’m in.

  62. $40/month for the Xtreme package (1 Mpbs/512 Kpbs) from GCI in Anchorage. There is also Litespeed, Litspeed Plus, and Ultimate Xtreme (available only with a subscription to GCI’s Ultimate Package Plus). argh, the naming! ridiculous. This is the cheapest cable internet I could find that did not also include cable television.

  63. Lusaka, Zambia – 40Kbps downstream – 2Gb cap per month – $200 per month – Yay, africonnect!

    K.Dewan – zambia

  64. I’ve got Virgin Media broadband. It’s sold as £30 a month for 20Mbps/768Kbps. I probably get about 12Mbps/700Kbps.

    I’m so jealous.

  65. I also have a 100Mbps fiber connection for about USD30 in Sweden, and that’s in both directions (top speeds have been about 80 down and 60 up, so I can’t really complain), so I’d say itpretty well connected) and uncapped. DSL and cable is more expensive, though. Before I got hooked up to the city net I had 20/3Mbps DSL for about USD50.

  66. Just thinking about that makes me depressed. I’m in Canada and even I am not optimistic enough to think that we’ll ever reach that level of efficiency with all the throttling going on right now.

  67. I’m paying about $25 a month for 1.5 Mbps downstream in California. Doesn’t seem so bad to me although it stops working whenever it rains, that’s pretty annoying.

  68. 100Mbs fiber connection, no traffic limit what so ever, 9 euros/month. works like a charm. Bucharest, ROM

  69. For the stat lovers, the OECD actually has a really comprehensive site of broadband penetration statistics for different developed countries, in something like thirty excel sheets:


    Some of the data is a bit old but they’ve done comparisons like “broadband penetration compared to density of 50% of the population” which should be of interest to some, though apparently pretty scattered.

  70. (Oh, and Sweden and Japan stand out together with Korea as the top three FIBRE countries specifically. Haven’t found any other data that would indicate a correlation.)

  71. My university connection makes it almost painful to go back home. According to the online speed tests I get 56Mbps down and 36MBps up – but I’ve gotten twice that on occasion. Only drawback is the 12GB/week limit but I save my downloading for Sunday evening right before they reset the cap.

  72. hi,
    i pay 30usd/month for 1024/256kbits adsl connection, there is no dl/ul limit
    country: turkey
    isp: turkish telecom

  73. This a really interesting thread- really don’t want to move to Australia!

    In Scotland, getting about 10mbps for 15USD (unltd d/l), although that does go to BskyB, aka the evil Rupert Murdoch.

  74. @AB5TRACT #50

    Unfortunately this isn’t quite automatic. Market regulation is part of the problem here in Australia.

    When our government telecoms provider was privatised, additional legislation was passed to regulate the market. Obviously as the sole incumbent provider in Australia, Telstra had overwhelming market power. In order to have any sort of fair competition here, existing infrastructure (basically the copper phone cable to most houses) had to be available to third party companies at a wholesale rate. This rate was set by the ACCC.

    The real fun started when Telstra rolled out their cable TV network. The ACCC decided that this infrastructure gave Telstra market power as well, and mandated wholesale rates for this service too. TELSTRA ANGRY.

    And so we find ourselves in our current regulatory predicament, where Telstra flatly refuse to build a next generation broadband network, unless the government provides assurances that they will not enforce wholesale rates for other providers on it. This has been going on for YEARS.

    The government is planning on rolling out its own broadband network, but it has been widely criticised.

    Frankly, it’s a great example of how some of the debate raging on BB about market regulation is way, way oversimplified.

    The telecommunications market in Australia must be regulated, otherwise no one can compete with the previously incumbent Telstra, who own virtually all the infrastructure, or alternatively we would see massive resources wasted on duplicate infrastructure. Yet the current regulation is, without a doubt, holding back investment in infrastructure and directly resulting in poorer service for consumers.

  75. AB5TRACT said:

    Telecoms were required to lease their lines to any company willing to pay $1 per customer to carry the data. (Well, that was the price in 2003 when I did my research on the topic. At the time yahoo! was offering ~20Mbps for $21.)

    S/He then mistakenly claimed:

    This is an example of market competition bringing prices down.

    No, it is an example of every other service offered by the Telcoms subsidising the residential broadband traffic. This is not competition, this is the competition getting the favor of the Gov’t regulators and forcing the incumbent carrier to provide them a nearly cost-free (certainly investment-free) infrastructure.

    A similar measure was created here in the US of A to absolve ILECs (Incumbent Local Exchange Carriers) of their original sin of being a monopoly and creating an industry – they were forced to offer network elements to competitors at a judicially-derived cost that seemed to be based on nothing more than what the CLECs (Competitive Local Exchange Carriers) wanted to pay. For example, provisioned DSLAM ports were available for a few dollars a month, while the ILEC had to build the Central Office, build out the copper plant, and invest in an telco switch, DSLAM and copper wire plant to offer DSL to it’s subscribers, their competitors merely had to look up the price list in a given area and order up connectvitiy as-needed to satisfy their needs. The Telco had to oblige.

    Oddly, Cable companies didn’t want to enter into the same agreement when the telcos wanted to get into the cable TV business…

  76. God I’m REALLY drunk now.

    Guys looking at some posts here I feel really lucky. At the moment I live in Ireland and have NTL/UPS cable TV + net. 20 Mbps downstream and around 1 Mbps upstream. If i remember correctly we have 60GB cap a month. Hard to say how much we’re paying for the internet itself but altogether net + digital tv is 75eur a month. Divided by 4 people in the house isn’t that bad really. NTL customer support sucks, but on the other hand we didn’t have any problems for the last 12 months or so.

    On a separate note, I counted 11 working (switched on) computers in the house today. I was looking for a particular host and didn’t remember which machine it was, so had to go through them all. And only 3 of them have Windoze.

    Oh and there’s still that poor apple g3 machine in the corner, compiling Gentoo for 1 week already…

  77. Fuck Australia. I always knew our internet was crappy compared to a lot of the world but after reading this I’m just depressed. Oh well at least our Government doesn’t censor what we look at…………… fuck.

  78. Market regulation is part of the problem here in Australia.

    Sure, but the problem is not regulation in itself, but that it is the wrong kind of regulation.

    When Telstra was privatised, the gov’t had 3 options:
    1. Privatise Telstra, keep the infrastructure under government control.
    2. Privatise Telstra, but split BigPond from Telstra so that Telstra is not in active competition with its customers.
    3. Privatise Telstra, give them the taxpayer-funded infrastructure and hope they’ll be nice in return. The gov’t maintains a minority stake in Telstra, and the proceeds go into the retirement fund of the gov’t bureaucrats responsible for keeping Telstra on the straight and narrow. This way, the gov’t can’t really control Telstra, but Telstra can control their government-appointed overseers.

    For some unknown reason they chose option 3 – which amounts to legalised government corruption. So now Oz is screwed, broadband-wise, for the foreseeable future.

  79. @ spazzm:

    Oz is the WORST place for broadband I’ve ever been. I moved in with a roommate, burned through a week’s worth of access in a few hours, and genuinely wondered how the country could operate under such conditions.

    It’s clearly Telstra’s fault. The thing is, Aussies don’t even realize what a wonderful thing the internet IS–and the migration of business over to the net is SAD. I often found it easier to buy things from overseas sites and have them mailed. Telstra’s high prices literally have a backwards cultural impact.

  80. Hi Spazzm, I thought it was pretty clear I wasn’t arguing against regulation, per se.

    The point of current regulation is that they are forced to be nice in return because access to the infrastructure is regulated.

    AFAIK This doesn’t actually effect the problem with the rollout of a new broadband network, which is that any major infrastructure Telstra might roll out, is subject to regulation by the ACCC, who are likely to decide that they need to set wholesale rates. So from Telstra’s point of view, they build a super-duper new fibre network, then the ACCC decides how much they can charge to use it. Telstra don’t build the network.

    Our alternative is for the government to build the network, and thats what Labor have said they’ll do, but I gather (I haven’t really looked into this) that the government’s plan is more modest than Telstra’s would be.

    This would be the case no matter what the split of Telstra, the issue is that whoever builds the network won’t be able to set the price to use it, if it is deemed they have market power.

  81. Here is Kuwait, I’m on an uncapped 2mb\512k DSL connection for about 19 Kuwaiti Dinars ($67) with 1 yr contract.

    4 years ago i used to pay $45 for 1.5mb DSL connection when i used to live in the US

  82. 20Mbs down/1Mbs up for 20 EUR in Amsterdam – which is sort of the standard “cheap” connection for here. The down speed is actually more like 14Mbs and the price with TV/telephone does end up being more like 40 EUR. But compared to what I was paying in N.J. and what my mother is still paying for a connection – you guys are really getting ripped off.

  83. I pay $60 (as part of a Bundle) for 20Mbps/20Mbps FiOS. Super stable, super fast, never slows down….EVER!

    Same here, although I pay $65/month and that’s a price carried over from the early days of 15Mbps/2Mbps. New Verizon customers as of January 2009 pay $70/month, I think.

    However, if local municipalities would float bonds (or use the Federal “stimulus”) to lay local loop fibre to the curb as infrastructure (like roads and sewer), private ISPs would compete to provide Internet access over it and likely bring the price down to the same 100Mbps symmetric for $15 seen in Japan and Korea.

    Verizon FiOS having a defacto monopoly on the only viable fibre optic network is scary in the long run. Once they’ve beaten Comcast (which has remained stagnant in infrastructure investment, choosing instead to spend money on QoS / DPI), Verizon FiOS is sure to become evil rent-seekers just like Verizon Wireless (VZW).

  84. Living in Edmonton, Canada.

    No fibre to home yet, hopefully in a few more years.

    The cable company is just starting to implement DOCSIS 3.0, so its out in a neighbouring province of Saskatchewan, running 100 Mbps down, and 5 mbps up through the cable connection, for 250 Dollars canadian… around 200 US. I currently have a 7.5 Mbps down, 512 Kbps up for 32 dollars canadian, about 25 dollars US, and a 15 Mbps down, 1 Mbps up for 42 dollars Canadian, about 35 US. This is all through the cable company named Shaw. The new DOCSIS system is pricey, but as seen before with this company, as more customers subscribe to this new service, the prices go down very quickly.

  85. I spend my time between US and Italy for work. Here in US I have cable, 10Mbps Up / 1Mbps down for 46$/month. Not so bad. This is the average here.
    In Italy I requested ADSL: it arrived at my place after 9 month (Yes: NINE months! Take your time… they just don’t care) and was only 740kbps Up /128 kpbs down. Very pricely: 2 euro / hours. And it was the only wired way to reach my house (Japanese friends look 100 years ahead). While waiting for the “baby” to come, I occasionally tried the 3G/HSPDA. Very pricely (10 cents/MByte) and slow. As a matter of fact, the HSDPA data network is commercialized for UP to 7.2 MBps. In practice, it never goes over 1 Mbps down / 256 kbps Up. Why fool people with false messages? Try it with any speed test tool. Never, even just sitting with the cellular modem under the pole holding the cell.
    In conclusion, this is “stone age” compared to Japan.

  86. In Romania the FTTH is the most popular.The biggest ISP called RDS Fiberlink offers 10mbps down from internet and 50mbps symmetrical from their national metropolitan network for 12$/month with no download limits.This means that you can download from anybody in their national metropolitan network of 800,000 with speeds of up to 6mb/s and usually the speed is above 1mb/s.Another popular FTTH ISP is called Injoy and offers internet download speed of 20mbps and 100mbps metropolitan for 14$/month and 30mbps/100mbps for 23$/month.The biggest Docsis provider is called UPC Romania and offers speed of 10mbps down and 1mbps up for 11$/month and 20mbps/2mbps for 19$/month but the FTTH is the most popular.

  87. Here in Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela), in the best situation we have 500Kbps to 1 Mbps download and 10k to 80k of upload speeds. The average monthly paymetnt is $US40.
    What do you think guys ?

  88. Simple fix for the confusion on Mbps and MB/s.. There are 8 bits in a byte. 18Mbps = 2.2 MB/s download speed. 100Mbps = 12.5 MB/s download speed.

  89. I live in Mexico and I must say I have a national cruzade against slow and expensive broadband. I pay 600 MXP ($46 usd) for telephone and internet (around 25 only for internet) for a 2 Mbps down / 384 kbps up. My ISP is Prodigy Infinitum ADSL by Telmex. Good thing, I have no download limits, and the speed is mostly constant (212 Kb/s down, 30 kb/s up).
    Sad thing, we don’t have any higher speed here in Mexico City. Business connections can only get up to 4 Mbps and it costs around 140 usd. Fiber optics is a stupid dream and we don’t see any chance to significantly improve speeds anytime near. Maybe in 12-18 months we’ll have 4 Mbps down paying the same, but 100 Mbps in this millenium is just a sci-fi dream.
    We have the most expensive and slowest broadband of all the 20 biggest economies of the world, but one of the richest telephone companies (Telmex). It’s very simple: the companies can profit a lot more by selling such a lame broadband, but of course, the negative impact in the overall country development is huge. If they don’t see a HUGE profit from 100 Mbps for their own company, they won’t give us more than 2 Mbps for as long as we can bare.

  90. In Iran, I use a 256 kpbs (1/8 sharing) at around USD 30/month. Setup fee is $15-20 in addition to $50 for an ADSL modem!

  91. israel…..
    we can choise evrey internet connection up to 100Mb download and 1Mb upload(bad).
    the cost of 100Mb/1Mb is 317$ but you can take packages like 64Mb 32Mb 16Mb 12Mb with 1Mb upload

  92. Here in Finland, capital city Helsinki: I have 10M/2M broadband connection, fiber optic cable, only 27EUR/38USD a month. Installing, modem, stuff like that, all free and you can keep the modem even if you end the contract. Love it, works so fast, almost never slows down and I’m happy enough if I can for example download a normal sized movie in just about 10-15 minutes. Never tested the real speeds though. 100M, if I would need it, would cost also only about 42EUR/60USD. -Menna

  93. I live in Australia and I’m getting 30GB/Month from Optus… Running at $99 a month with my phone bill. We cant get unlimited here and i normally pass my 30GB limit in a few days(on the 10th day this month) Also the speed of it is nothing special for downloading and playing games running cable internet or Naked ADSL. Im lucky if i can download something at 400 KBPS let alone 1 MBPS. 100 MBPS is a Dream. We will Keep Dreaming for Unlimited Internet and 100 MBPS Australia, because I believe it will take a LONG time to get here. And by then there will probably be mega fast internet that Downloads 1GBPS… Then Unlimited Internet will really be need.. As well as a few terabytes of Hard drive
    So by 2011 will we have unlimited internet?? Only Time WIll Tell
    But Australia Keeps Getting Left Behind So Sad

  94. i have a three foot wi-fi beam antenna and a 750mw wi-fi adapter and powered usb cable (eliminates rf cable loss) and i get a signal from a resort hotel a mile away out here in the boondocks that speed tests at 1.5 mbps up and down whereas such connection speed costs $100 a month from the county’s wisp so i’m living extra large

  95. In Indonesia

    $100 gives u an unlimited internet connection for a month

    the speed is 128 kbps

    that b there is bit

    so that means downloads & upload speed about 20 kBps

    that crazy sucks…. this country is doomed to hell….

  96. Scandinavia country’s and Poland Japan South Korea LTE Long Term Evolution testing No body in earth get in GBps G5 is testing in Korea max today is 100Mbps for costumer you do not get more then that soon be bigger between 2011 and 2014 going higher internet that all !

  97. I know this is a necropost, but I really need to post this.

    In Ohio (USA) I currently have a 30mbps/3mbps connection with unlimited bandwidth. Paying $45 a month for it. I am actually seeing 29-40mpbs down with about 1.8mbps up, depending upon the time of day. As for laymans terms, I generally download from major websites (like download.com, sourceforge.net, etc etc) at a speed of around 3000 kbps. This does also fluctuate depending on website and time of day as well.


    The above link is my latest results from speedtest.net

  98. If you’re ever feeling nostalgic about your 56k modem – feel free to come to South Africa…

    Where a 384k line costs you approx 21USD and you still pay for bandwidth.

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