New Zealand's 3-strikes rule can go into effect in September

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30 Responses to “New Zealand's 3-strikes rule can go into effect in September”

  1. Victor Drath says:

    I think the perpetrators should go to prison for life after the third strike. :-) That works very well here in the US of A and it would help New Zealand fill it’s prisons just as nicely as ours.

    Cut off the entire family’s internet? Noooo, that’s silly, lock them all up instead!

  2. Anonymous says:

    This opens some entertaining possibilities (more entertaining than the obvious end user shake-downs this will encourage) for economic attack vectors. The incentive for a foreign government to use this to stymie NZ businesses is huge (and requires none of the targeting that domestic businesses would need to deploy this against each other).

  3. macegr says:

    Should be fun to watch. This legislation will be nuked from orbit as soon as the families of a few members of parliament receive the inevitable three strikes.

    • Anonymous says:

      That’s the beauty (horror) of selective enforcement, especially as it is the industry doing the enforcement.

      They can be careful to only accuse people with no recourse.

  4. teapot says:

    Mixing unpalatable copyright BS with legislation to help the quake recovery is an excellent way to stop the flow of public good-will donations. Don’t these moron politicians understand cause and effect?

    it says that the copyright people get evidence that you are holding a copyrighted file and they can take that to your isp.
    @Anon #18:
    Even if they demand ‘proof’ there are still insane, disprovable claims made by rights holders: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081030/0222502686.shtml

    Some file sharing programs and firewalls purposefully list dummy IP addresses for the exact purpose of messing with copyright trolls. The copyright trolls pull up a torrent file and make a list of all IPs downloading/seeding the torrent. They contact the ISP to which the IP# belongs and say “this IP was d/ling this file at this time – here’s a screenshot”. That is all the ‘proof’ they need to get your contact info. A crappy, easily-forged screenshot which may well be filled with many IPs of completely innocent people.

    That’s why if you’re going to use P2P (on Win) you should most def get yourself peerblock: http://www.peerblock.com/

  5. Anonymous says:

    RIP democracy in NZ

  6. OrcOnTheEndOfMyFork says:

    Best way to defeat this law is simple:

    Accuse every single household in New Zealand of 3 counts of infringement starting day one. There’s no consequence for doing so, and flooding the system will shine the needed light to shame their politicians for even trying this.

    It’s only if you let this creep in slowly that a law like this becomes a problem.

  7. Anonymous says:

    Ok now this has just toped the cake. if the media industry of late cannot expect that there world is falling down around them, then well…. so do we still buy music cds from the famous singers n rappers n bands for the hefty price of $30 plus. Just to have our precious cds scratched by no fault of our own, u want proof VHS is Ur proof. Vhs to cds to DVD to hddvd and so on. still scrachable and still every expensive (when it first comes out) so we the “young ones” think of a solution to the problem of stuffed disks and wahla “Movie.AVI” in a range of codex dvix xvid mpg mp4 and so on. The long arm of the media does not like this so along comes a 3 strike law oh the calamity. But in all their power they can’t stop what’s coming (hehe hehe). They know it’s the end of their sick perverted game. Where they steal a nation’s wealth and resources and demand public slavery to pay of an imagery debt. we the young ones will prevail, u want proof, the old get older and the young have to care for them hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lets not pull the plug to early on this one lol

    sloth

  8. Anonymous says:

    please remove “no proof”. If you read other articles, it says that the copyright people get evidence that you are holding a copyrighted file and they can take that to your isp.

    Imagine if there was no proof. Its not how this country works mate!

    • Anonymous says:

      “Imagine if there was no proof.”

      You mean like the UK, where Ofcom abdicated their responsibility and just handed everything over to the media industry? >:(

      Where are we going, and why are we in this hand-basket?

  9. teapot says:

    I heart the internet so much sometimes:
    http://memegenerator.net/Melissa-Lee-MP/

  10. Victor Drath says:

    Coming from a country where sexual assault at airports (including fondling six year old kids) is accepted as perfectly fine by the majority of people, I wouldn’t hold much hope for New Zealand. Maybe I could be wrong though, maybe they have more common sense there.

  11. Marktech says:

    And according to Torrentfreak, they’ve already unmasked as a pirate one MP who supported this.

    Still: it’s up to her to prove that she’s not a pirate. Isn’t that how this is supposed to work?

  12. Anonymous says:

    I can’t help thiking about my reaction to these strategies of enforcement in the form of metaphors and analogies. Like this:

    “Keep forcing your grip on the soap. One day it’ll pop out of your control and it’ll hit you in the eye. You can feel it slide already.”

    I don’t know if it’s just me, but I think one of the few positive things about thrusting these silly laws into society is that more sensible pathways and counter-measures (not to mention more radical versions of them) become inevitable and justifiable contemplations in the future. I have no doubt that those fined would be the first in line to go through these contemplations and alternative proposals.

    It’s like Gadaffi attacking the rebels. The act of attacking them is the underlining and highlighting of the rebels’ case.

  13. Jake0748 says:

    They should have the “innocent until proven guilty” thing like we do here in America.
    What? Bradley Manning?

    Oh, never mind.

  14. Anonymous says:

    I guess I’ll just have to do all my downloading at university.

  15. afs97209 says:

    I think anyone who tries to get a law passed “Shock Doctrine” style should be charged with treason.

    http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine

    What else is using distractions of real disaster and tragedy to get legislation passed to make yourself rich than treason.

  16. Anonymous says:

    If their music isn’t good enough, that the consumer would rather download it, than pay for it, as the consumer does not value it so highly, maybe the artist should consider working in another industry……

    Thoughts anybody?

  17. Mouse says:

    Melissa Lee (Pro bill MP); http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/melissa-lee-you-appear-be-pirate-ck-90883

    We are taking this seriously; http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=203368919697467

    Only party to vote against (apart from a few independents); http://www.greens.org.nz/actionalerts/blackout

    Footage of a MP talking about Skynet; http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/4885041/Twitter-blackout-returns-to-challenge-internet-law

    Watching Parliament live stream as the debate was happening was like watching a comedy show.

  18. Anonymous says:

    Dont they have a problem with keeping youth on the island down there?

    wouldnt this just scare more of them away to ‘the mainland’ australia?

    oh politicians…*

    *can be repeated for pretty much any country

  19. deredder says:

    Call me extremely naive or a fantasist even but are we (as the “people” and not the plutocrats) looking at this fight the wrong way? Should we from a worldwide perspective, irrespective of the country we happen to have been born in/live in, be lobbying and petitioning unitedly for internet access, where available, to be made a Human Right by the UN? The world is evolving and changing and as always the neophiles are embracing the changes whilst the neophobes fight them (futile in the longer run surely? – second law of thermodynamics etc). Does this belittle the fight for the existing basic Human Rights that many worldwide lack? Surely it could be argued that as things stand and as society is evolving, being disconnected from internet access would infringe supposed Human Rights of freedom of speech and (on-line) assembly, preventing some families from communicating and cutting off an invaluable source of education and learning?
    Saturday morning ponderings.

    • Anonymous says:

      “Does this belittle the fight for the existing basic Human Rights that many worldwide lack?”

      Who cares, look at the Middle East right now, the internet has be instrumental in allowing anyone and everyone with a grudge against the government to get organised. I think getting the means to organise and secure their rights to people is worth a lot more than some old men in suits deciding on a list of rights they won’t bother getting to people.

  20. Anonymous says:

    Perhaps Kiwis should force the issue. Everybody with an internet connection grab a couple of files. Everybody gets cut off, ISP’s suddenly have zero customers, and perhaps the New Zealand legislature is gently forced to get a clue.

  21. Steak says:

    There’s a good round-up of some important details of the new law here:
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/04/an_own_goal-2.html

    While still containing vileness, this Amendment is at least an improvement over the prior version, which was assembled from brimstone, magma and the screams of the damned.

    • Mouse says:

      Note; Kiwiblog is a pretty bias blog. DPF is pro everything the Nats do. He even tried (although ultimately failed) to defend their blatant abuse of urgency since they have been in power.

      • Steak says:

        Yes, normally I can’t stand the guy, but in this case his interests seemed to align with forces of good (I found the post initially through Scoop.co.nz). Just avoid the comments section.

  22. Anonymous says:

    Worrisome, but as long as Kiwi ISPs aren’t owned by the MAFIAA, there’s a conflict of interest that Kiwi politicians are going to have a problem with.

    Given the choice between propping up Hollywood, or allowing a local business to make a profit, no politician interested in re-election would condemn the locals.

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