Woman in Mexico beheaded for posting about narcos on social networking site

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  1. burgerbuilders says:

    “The letter “Z” refers to the hyper-violent Zetas drug cartel, which is believed to dominate the city across from Laredo, Texas.”

    Is it the ATF or the State Dept. that arms the Zetas? I always forget.

  2. paul says:

    The “war” on drugs is a complete failure and has killed too many innocent people.  Legalization would put these animals out of business overnight.

    • headcode says:

      Since legalization is not going to happen overnight I would like to suggest something else that actually could happen overnight.  Stop buying drugs.  Instead of throwing up your hands and claiming that the war on drugs is failing why not boycott the narcos until they stop killing people?  Or is that too difficult?  

      We are enabling really brutal behavior and being OK with it (except for meaningless cheap talk) as long as we get our fix of dope.  It is typical hypocritical behavior to complain about “those animals” and then turn around and support them.  Then again, I suppose hypocrisy is the one that thing human beings really do best.

      • The Chemist says:

        You are operating under the misconception that you are talking to the right people here. You’re also dreaming when you say that people giving up addictive substances can happen overnight.

        Drug legalization actually can happen overnight, detox- not so much.

        ETA: There was a time in this country prohibition was written into the Constitution. The idea that legalization simply “won’t happen” is based on nothing more than a dull hunch. Evidence shows Americans support legalization more and more every year.

      • I have similar feelings about purchasing petroleum-based fuel and paying for car insurance. Traffic fatalities kill WAY more people than the drug cartels or wars or terrorists combined. Automobile pollution is accelerating global warming. In the grand scheme of things, this drug violence is a mildly annoying noise off in the distance.

        Though I own a car, I only buy insurance in 6-month increments (the minimum I can obtain) when I really need it and drive pretty rarely, opting to bike everywhere over generous distances and any kind of weather.

        Giving up gasoline cars for bikes, electric cars, better city planning, or public transportation is all of the following in the USA (yes, I’m overgeneralizing): too difficult, undesirable, unthinkable, and practically unamerican.

        This violence from the zetas is horrible, but in the light of some greater evils people are more than happy to perpetuate the awfulness, blissfully unaware of the consequences. But unlike cars, the only thing that creates this horror from drugs consumption is US federal law.

        • flosofl says:

          Wait.

          Are you seriously saying that driving an automobile is a more heinous crime than a drug cartel torturing someone to death and brutally dismembering and decapitating him or her?

          Wow.

          • No, he’s saying that driving a car is as bad, or worse, than smoking foreign weed (I live in Denver where it’s basically legal to grow and smoke marijuana), heroine, cocaine and meth (that’s not made by middle school chemistry  teacher). They both support a system of greed, death, and torture. 

          • First off, your analysis of my comment is faulty because I was comparing driving to consuming illegal drugs, not the violent activities of the cartels. Secondly, if you think automobile deaths aren’t brutally violent, you’re living in a fantasy land.

            Quoting the internet: “There were nearly 6,420,000 auto accidents in the United States in 2005. The financial cost of these crashes is more than 230 Billion dollars. 2.9 million people were injured and 42,636 people killed. About 115 people die every day in vehicle crashes in the United States — one death every 13 minutes.”
            The cartles are killing more every year, about 10,000 in 2010. But they’d have to ramp it up a lot to catch up to ordinary citizens killing each other with their cars in the US alone.

            I am seriously saying what I am saying, not your misinterpretation of what I’m saying. Feel free to distort the truth or my statements to feel better about cars and driving though.

          • flosofl says:

            Woah, dude. There’s no automobile drivers cabal looking to create a false equivalency from your comment. I did that all on my own, because I misread your comment. There. I said it. I MADE A MISTAKE. Sorry, mea culpa, I apologize.

            A simple “You know, you may want to re-read my comment, I think you misread it” would have sufficed. Instead of lashing out like a wounded cat.

          • And to you, I am sorry if I overreacted. I have more ordinary citizens trying to kill me with their cars on a regular basis (usually via right-hooking without a turn signal) than Zetas trying to behead me, so I admit some bias there. I’m trying to be better about it in my own small way to make the world a better place :) cheers and thanks!

      • I think the real problem is that people are talking about ‘dope’, when the problem isn’t dope anyway, it’s meth and coke – and last time I checked there isn’t much of a call to decriminalise meth; as these people may still be expressing free will, but ultimately need help.

        However, yes, boycotting weed from Mexico is a very sensible idea; surely the US produces enough of its own weed now, combined with what comes in from Canada.  I’m assuming that most of the dope that enters the US from Mexico is destined fro the southern states?  Problem is they’re more concerned about the human beings seeking a better life than they are about the gangs who at least (in their eyes) have the manners to go back to mexico once they’re done pushing their drugs and killing people.

        • hypnosifl says:

          I think the real problem is that people are talking about ‘dope’, when the problem isn’t dope anyway, it’s meth and coke – and last time I checked there isn’t much of a call to decriminalise meth; as these people may still be expressing free will, but ultimately need help.

          Where are you getting that info from? According to this Washington Post story from October 2009, “While the trafficking of cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine is the main focus of U.S. law enforcement, it is marijuana that has long provided most of the revenue for Mexican drug cartels. More than 60 percent of the cartels’ revenue — $8.6 billion out of $13.8 billion in 2006 — came from U.S. marijuana sales, according to the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy.” And this npr story from May 2010 says “Marijuana and cocaine are the two largest sources of revenue for the cartels, generating billions of dollars in illicit profits each year. But some analysts say marijuana may be the cartels’ greatest source of cash in part because the Mexican gangs control the production, trafficking and distribution of the drug. The cocaine they move has a higher street value, but they initially have to buy it from the Colombians.” Finally this New York Times story from June 2011 says “marijuana constitutes 60 percent of cartels’ drug profits”, but also notes that “Some experts on organized crime in Latin America, like Edgardo Buscaglia, say that cartels earn just half their income from drugs.” (so I guess the percent of total profits from marijuana would only be around 30 percent).

      • Brainspore says:

        Since legalization is not going to happen overnight I would like to suggest something else that actually could happen overnight.  Stop buying drugs.  Instead of throwing up your hands and claiming that the war on drugs is failing why not boycott the narcos until they stop killing people?

        Boycotting drugs is something the vast majority of us cannot do, because the vast majority of us don’t buy those drugs in the first place. Those who do obviously aren’t dissuaded by illegality, so saying “just end the violence by boycotting drugs” is about as helpful as saying “just end the violence by not murdering people.”

        Lobbying to end the war on drugs is not something that we can accomplish overnight, but at least it’s something ordinary people can do that might help address the problem.

        • blueelm says:

          “Boycotting drugs is something the vast majority of us cannot do, because the vast majority of us don’t buy those drugs in the first place.”
          This is the best point to be made in that argument. Many of the people who support legalization are, like myself, non users. In the course of my life, I have never purchased illegal drugs. In fact, almost no one I associate with does either. And yet, drug violence continues on… maybe it’s because there will never be 0% demand and there’s no reason the rest of society should pay these steep and ugly consequences for it when there could be better ways of dealing with the reality that *some* people are going to use drugs.

      • Guest says:

        Ha, no. 

      • teapot says:

        We are enabling really brutal behavior and being OK with it (except for meaningless cheap talk) as long as we get our fix of dope.

        The problem is US drug policy, which has subsequently poisoned international laws. What is “enabling brutal behaviour” is US law. In how many countries was marijuana illegal until the US decided to make it so? 0. None. Zip. The guilt for these deaths lie in the lap of conservative old farts who resist the most sensible action to stem the current violence – legalise personal possession and cultivation of marijuana. Marijuana provides 50% of Mexican cartel’s profits in the US. HALF. Not to mention a great deal of their crops are located in the US, in State Forests (so as not to be easily found), thereby destroying the natural ecosystems in those areas.

        The other problem is US gun policy. The people who traffic gear over the border tend to traffic guns back to Mexico. Gun laws in Mexico – particularly those related to automatic weapons – are much tighter than the US. That’s why the cartels buy up their weapons undocumented at southern states gun shows and then truck it back to Mexico to continue the cycle of violence.

        Don’t blame otherwise law-abiding drug users for this shit, particularly when the alternative (producing your own) is so prohibitively illegal. People often try to play this guilt-trip card but for me it doesn’t fly. Given the freedoms we never should have lost, these problems wouldn’t be happening. Just because Government thinks it knows what is best for us little, fallible people doesn’t mean their policy is right. In fact the majority of rational voices suggest that more sensible drug policy would lead to a decrease in drug abuse, less cost to society and better outcomes for drug abusers.

        Your suggestion is exactly what the Law enforcement wants to hear: “I know the system is wrong, but let’s just play along because there’s this unfortunate side effect of our unsuccessful, costly policy called people dying in another country. Instead of fixing the problem, let’s just continue to persecute people because of the personal choices they make.”

        PS: Fuck you Zetas – You are spineless assholes. Ooooh – look, we’re such tough guys that we kidnapped a petite girl, brutally murdered her and left her body next to two keyboards and a CD player……. that’s how you connect to the internet, right? Signed: Oh shit, I’m so stupid I don’t know how to spell Zetas…. fuck it, a bunch of Z’s will do. 

        I suggest that the penalty for being confirmed as a member of the Zetas should be: Instant decapitation, with the head being mailed to the family with a note reading “Try harder next time, this one was defective”

      • Ed Dunkle says:

        Also we could eliminate STDs if people would stop having sex!

    • bmcraec says:

      It wouldn’t happen overnight, because of the amount of time and capital that has been ploughed into the illegal businesses. Did you know that one of the cartel chiefs is on the Forbes Billionaire list? There are huge supply and value chains in operation on both sides of the law, and hundreds of thousands of people scraping mucho dinero from the illegality and the fighting of the illegality. All those vested interests are in no hurry to see the gravy train end for the sake of a few butchered civilians. Besides, the victims make such sensationalist symbols for the law, and the media that depends on the drama of the law for stories. It’s a sick, evil and ridiculous situation, and it’s going to take a very long time to fix things even if all drug laws in the US were repealed today. 

      Ugh. That’s so unlike me, to look at the reality of this situation. 

      Spock! Identify all the criminal elements, track their connections to law-makers, and establish all their coordinates. Once you have them all located, Scotty will transport them directly to the mind-regeneration facility on Upsilon Beta IV for emergency transplants of consciences and souls. 

  3. kullervo says:

    A vulgar remark, I’m sure, but your first sentence is missing a “head.”

  4. gwailo_joe says:

    Sad.  Sad sad sad.  But I gotta say: if this is going to be a permanent topic at BB ‘until the horror stops’;

    I don’t think there are enough unicorn chasers in the universe.

    Of course What The Fuck is the matter with the criminal class down South -they got no class!-; is it something in the water?  They are deep in some sick medieval power trip shit; way way past any St Valentines Day Massacre situation…but what can be done?  Send in the Marines?  No: That is (ahem) a very bad idea.

    Legalize dope and cut off the profit structure?  In this political climate?  How droll.  Might work.

    Won’t happen.

    Perhaps, someday, pot will to some extent become de-facto decriminalized in our lifetimes; but this trouble on the border and below is for the whole kit and kaboodle: all the dream products.  All the power.  All the salves and powders we like so much to make the hurt go away.  And the cash money involved is worth more than a thousand thousand lives to the people that are involved in such miserable distribution.

    But the demand will always be here/there/everywhere…We looove to get high; and we have the money to pay for our vices…and the troubles are happily out of our daily sphere.

    While in the trenches the brave voices and perceived threats to madmen are being butchered.

    So what is a (semi) aware and (rather) concerned person to do?  Avoid drugs that aren’t local or free trade?  Vote for a congressperson that supports more sensible drug laws?

    Our own guys seem to not always have a handle on the particulars: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/03/nation/la-na-guns-mexico-20110304

    It’s goddamn awful.  But drugs can make people crazy.

    And money is the most powerful drug of all.

  5. Strabo says:

    Dear Xeni,

    Please do not travel to Mexico in the near future.  Or ever.

    Thanks,

    A long time Boinger…

  6. nanuq says:

    So much for the no-pseudonym rule that some social networks seem to be insisting on these days.  For some people, using a real name can be a death warrant.

  7. Jon Munger says:

    I wonder if the cartels actually know what they’re getting into.  We should start distributing TOR and related anonymity software to these sites.

  8. moz moz says:

    I say shift DEA enforcement from the north to the south. “Letting” in more Canadian pot would push prices lower and deflate the profit incentive (the Mexican President asked for this in a speech to the UN a few days ago), and would also strengthen the Canadian way of doing things relative to the Mexican way. Im sure Canadian drug gangs are bad news too, but they cannot be any worse than the Zetas. 

  9. elk says:

    “The shift in threat focus from traditional news networks to “new media” is notable.”

    Unless I’m mistaken, there is NO evidence that clearly shows the victim was directly involved the way they claim. Remember these people are extremely sick, violent criminals…they might actually bend the truth to get their point across.

    • Federico Sierra says:

       Actually there is. The victim was very well known among the users of a website used to tip off the army about criminal activity in the city.

  10. xenphilos says:

    I hope the Mexican government gets off its ass and does something about it. Protecting your constituency is a government’s responsibility, after all.

    • Nadreck says:

      Few governments would agree with you.  In most countries the constituency is regarded as a bunch of disposable pets who occasionally have to be put down if they cease to amuse.  In the case of Mexico, government is for lining the pockets of those in power.  If they actually did anything about the drug problems where would they get all of that War On Drugs money to siphon off?  They’d lose a lot of cash and head count.  None of the Drug Warriors want the problem to go away or even lessen.  They depend on it for jobs.

  11. All the money that makes this happen comes from the US. Dry up the money and the cartels can be beaten.  There are some vigilante groups fighting the cartels operating in Mexico called sicarios but they are overmatched and I cannot condone their methods.

    We need to solve the drug problem in the US. You wanna be a crackhead? Well, come to the low cost crackhead clinic and listen to our appeal to enter drug treatment. You won’t enter drug treatment? Pay your money and get your USA-refined crack rock made from raw cocaine grown on registered farms in Bolivia. You want meth? Come to the clinic, get  drug treatment, or take these dexys to take the edge off.

    This would be much cheaper than all the enforcement and imprisonment in the US, and would actually make people’s lives better. And it would dry up all the drug money to Mexico. The problems of two nations would be solved.

    Interesting note. When looking for information on the sicarios I skimmed a few pages on the Spanish-language Wikipedia. The Spanish-language Wikipedia calls itself la enciclopedia libre That’s “libre”, the same root as the English word “liberty”. I had always interpreted the English Wikipedia slogan “The Free Encyclopedia” to mean the “no cost” encyclopedia.  If they meant “no cost” in Spanish they would have said de gratis.

    How could I have been so stupid? Why did I never understand the true nature of Wikipedia until just tonight? It took reading it in Spanish to truly understand what Wikipedia is all about.

    • bmcraec says:

      Are you saying that an ounce of harm prevention (Vancouver’e In-Site, anyone?) is worth 20 tons of penalization? What a novel concept! The mayor who pushed to have this site created had been the city’s coroner. And now he’s a Senator. And regardless what drug czar thinks it’s a moral abomination, it has saved many lives and turned those lives around. 

      And the Right Wing response to the evidence? Lock them all up. http://www.communityinsite.ca/

  12. Nadreck says:

    Well, thanks.  Now you’ve posted about people getting killed for posting comments about drug cartels killing people and we’ve posted comments about that.  See you all on the Other Side boys!

  13. RJ says:

    I’m now waiting for the news story where a terrorist straps a bomb to his butt and writes bad things about the Zetas online, then self-destructs when the narco-thugs come for him.

  14. Akula971 says:

    Please remember the these people are criminals. Its a mindset, a way of life. If the drugs where legalised in the US or the entire world for that matter, do you honestly think that they will stop and become model citizens? It is not going to happen, they would just find another area to make money in, protection rackets, prostitution, kidnapping, etc. The only real solution is to remove them permanently from society, in what ever way we can.

  15. IamInnocent says:

    Sorry to say that but, “legalize the drugs” and the bastards will become good guys ? Really ! I’ll grant you that it should take the air out of that war… until the narcos become politicians and law enforcers. Where else their special talents for domination and their hunger for money and power could be put at a better advantage ?

  16. Perizade says:

    I don’t wear fur or buy from McDonald’s because of how animals are treated. Why the hell would I buy drugs from Mexico? Or anywhere that is plagued by narco violence?  Have fun getting high knowing that someone died a brutal death so you could light up.

    • humanresource says:

      The odds are extremely high that you buy some products made in sweatshop conditions, conditions comparable to what factory farmed animals experience. But at least you don’t need to buy drugs – you’re obviously ripped to your eyeballs on uncut self-righteousness. Me, I blame men with guns and chainsaws for people getting shot and chainsawed, and when the killers get rich, I blame the people who hand over vast markets to the criminals for making the killers rich, but what do i know?

  17. SomeGuyNamedMark says:

    I just want to know why any young man or woman would enter into these gangs.  Being poor and wanting money couldn’t possibly make me want to risk getting involved in such a viscious world.  Odds are you’ll be brutally murdered too.  Where are all the people in these gangs coming from?

    • Rebecca DeLaTorre says:

      Mark, the chances of being able to find gainful employment in Mexico are so low that many young boys are willing to do anything to make money. The education in some areas of Mexico has created generations of illiterate people that are capable of nothing but physical labor that pays a tragically low wage while the cost of living continues to rise and more and more people there are responsible to disabled, aged or infant relatives. On top of this the media portrays narcos in an exciting light while showing them images of a consumer lifestyle they will never have unless they join the underworld. Also, many narcos are family businesses that you are born into. In many ways, there aren’t many other choices for these kids.

      Not excusing it, just trying to explain the phenomenon. I’m deeply affected by this problem because my children have never seen their ancestoral homeland because of narco violence and may never get to.

    • bmcraec says:

      You need to watch Firefly. They’re the equivalent of Reavers.

  18. Mike Scott says:

    Hmm. Somebody was trying to set us up with some gigs in Mexico. Not so sure anymore…

  19. Childe Roland says:

    The drug gangs love guns, believe in getting government off the back of business, and won’t hesitate to defend their own freedom. Perhaps an multi-national alliance between Zeta and the Tea Party would be of mutual benefit.

    • Guest says:

      If we only had the kind of army we needed to invade if such a ‘grassroots’ political movement were to take hold here.  Well lets see. First we’d need a couple hundred thousand combat veterans, acclimated to dry and harsh conditions, and also vehicles and tactics for non-traditional combat. Also, a military officer class who doesn’t ask very many questions when things aren’t adding up.

      Oh.

  20. invertedworld says:

    Nobody has mentioned that the Zeta cartel was started and made up of members of Mexico’s most elite special forces unit, specially trained in counter-insurgency and cartel enforcement.  And that they were trained by the United States military in Fort Benning, Georgia.  Obama’s solution to the war on drugs its to spend $400 million training and equipping Mexico’s drug soldiers.  This should provide a great new recruiting class for the Zeta’s and other cartels!  As long as there are ludicrous black market financial incentives to deal drugs, there will be cartels and violence.

  21. paul says:

    @Akula971  True enough, these are not “good” people, but there is no other criminal activity that would support the level of violence that the drug trade does.  If cocaine was available for $5/pound, it would put a stop to multi-million dollar drug deals and the violence they support and require.  Yes there would be kidnappings, and prostitution, and robberies, but none of those could bring them the revenue they now enjoy.  Without that cash, they could be contained and eventually restrained to a large degree.  One only need look at Prohibition in the US and the violence surround illegal alcohol to see a small example of what happens when something in such demand is outlawed.  The major difference with the current drug war is merely a difference in scale.  Organized crime continues in the US, but at a much reduced level of violence, and it is still generally supported by providing access to a service or product that society frowns upon. 

  22. SimplieKev says:

    Just give the cartel pigs the money, and with a 25% pay increase incentive for taking showers which would help the air pollution in mexico.
    This would be cheaper and save lives.

  23. SimplieKev says:

    War on drugs, what a frickin joke.
    How long has this war been going ? Has  any progress been made, Zero.
    Time to end this war.

  24. petsounds says:

    A very sad and sensational story. But Xeni never asks or answers the question that seems most basic to me — how was this woman found out? Was she too loose with her identity on the tip site? Did the site get hacked, or socially engineered?

    I went to the forum and it looks pretty rudimentary. My spanish is not great, but I was surprised to see messages from individuals on the site with their e-mails exposed. Any site like this must be built under the assumption that people with access to the internals may be compromised.

  25. I think the whole “Legalize Drugs” is not thinking deep enough here.  We need to reevaluate the backhanded international trade policies like NAFTA that got us here in the first place.  Many people would have been okay with continuing their life as subsistence farmers and staying out of malarkey like this, but with trade opened up and so skewed in the favor of the US and Canada, many have been pushed off of land they’ve tended for a long time and commodity prices have been driven waaaaay down in order to compete with US government subsidized ag markets.  Even when some are working as much as they can, they are being kicked off of their land because foreign interests are buying it up, and in most cases if they do have land there’s no way they’ve got enough to compete with the larger scale industrial farmers who clear cut the land to make way for our crappy monsatan variety crops.  It takes a big investment to buy all the equipment for industrial farming, and if you can’t get the credit, you’re S.O.L.  Drug production, running and other illicit activity might become attractive if all of your other means of income have run dry.  Cartels are spreading far and wide, and I think this is something we need to be more concerned about on a humanitarian basis.

  26. petsounds says:

    Apparently one of the moderators, perhaps Xeni herself, deleted my comment. I don’t see how asking how the victim was found out was worthy of censorship. I think discussing how we can secure whistle blower tip sites like the one the victim used is just as important as focusing on the tragedy of the event. But apparently the moderators aren’t interested in solutions. I must say, I’m getting tired of my thoughts getting expunged here. I’m about ready to expunge BB in return.

  27. realityhater says:

    legalize - problem solved except …. Marijuana is not the only drug crossing the boarder down south these days. Do you honestly think these cartels specialize in something so bulky when you can fit 20 kilos of cocaine / Heroin  in the same space as 1 bail of Marijuana…….Really.
    and do yo think the folks in Mexico would work themselves up into this type of frenzy over money being made from Marijuana………….Really. If you believe that then your kidding yourself , this country would like for you to believe that all the money – Billions  of dollars in the supposed “war on drugs” is being spent for a grand cause -Bullshit it hasn’t even put a dent in the “true” hardcore drugs – hundreds of thousands of folks still strung out on Crack ,Coke ,Meth,Heroin and the worst of all legal Prescription Meds……..meanwhile the guy who wants to smoke a little grass – cant get a job because his drug of choice stays in your body’s system longer and is tossed in jail for in some cases longer than more heinous crimes- IF you could grow Crestor – believe me it would be illegal too

    • hypnosifl says:

      Read my earlier comment just a few above yours. They do make 60% of their drug money from marijuana (though only about half their money overall is from drugs), other drugs sell for more but they have to buy it from suppliers, while they completely control the production of the marijuana they sell.

  28. Dan O'b says:

    It may be terrible to say, but I cant be the ony one whio read “Woman in Mexico beheaded for posting about nahcos on social networking site”

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