David Pescovitz at 8:39 am Wed, Sep 28, 2011
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This is the Kindle Fire. It's $200. Yes, it runs Flash.
Kindle Fire (Amazon)
"Playing with Fire: Amazon Launches a $200 Tablet, Slashes Kindle Prices" (Wired)
Cough – looking forward to the Nook update next month.
Actually, I hate reading on color devices. But still – worth mentioning that the Nook is going to be updated soon. People may want to hold off before an impulse buy.
One word – ePub.
Kindle supports ePub. You just have to load them from your computer.
No – it doesn’t – but you can convert it. Have you ever converted a book? Good luck on the formatting. I don’t have time for that either.
The bottom line – Nook supports more formats. I happen to believe it is superior in many ways. I’ve never quite been able to understand the fascination with the Kindle (and I’m sure many of you Kindlers likewise for the Nook).
I don’t even know why I’m having this conversation – I buy real books.
Converted plenty thanks to Calibre. The only formats it borks is PDF files.
Yes, I’ve converted books. Hundreds of them. It doesn’t even take a single click. I just grab the book I want in Calibre and drag it to the “device” icon. It knows what format the device wants and does the conversion.
I have a Nook so I’m usually converting LIT or MOBI or TXT or PDF or LRF (whatever I originally bought the book in) to EPUB but it doesn’t really matter.
I’ve found that I only have weird formatting issues when it started out with weird formatting. For the most part I just queue a bunch of stuff up on Calibre and go do something for 10-15 minutes. That being said, I wouldn’t buy one of those anyway.
They also revealed the new Kindle touch. This is more tablet than ebook reader.
I see a lawsuit from Apple coming. Because Apple owns the rights to all stuff that resembles other stuff.
“There’s two “i’s” in Kindle Fire. Can we sue twice?”
Loved this and the touch ink display… you can compare the features of all the kindles… http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Touch-Wi-Fi-Ink-Display/dp/B005890G8Y/ref=kin3w_ddp_compare_title2_1?pf_rd_p=1321385682&pf_rd_s=center-18&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B0051QVESA&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1QGEB7XFTAQ8GXX6RGPM A must for xmas!
I was excited about the new b&w kindles — $79 for the basic version, $99 for the touchscreen with wifi, and $149 for touchscreen with wifi & 3g. But then I noticed that was the ad-supported version, and you have to add $30-$40 to those prices to avoid ads in the screen-saver and home screen.
I have a current Gen Kindle (now know as Kindle Keyboard) without offers and my wife has one with them. The difference between them is so minor and the ads are so unintrusive that it’s worth it to just take the discount.
Kaffenated is right that the Kindle won’t read ePub files natively.. and conversions can be a pain. I’ve gotten quite proficient at it but wouldn’t even know where to begin telling, say, my mother how to do it.
Kindle does support mobi and txt and pdf files.
I guess using Calibre was so easy that I forgot that a conversion was even going on.
I still buy real books. I’m old fashioned that way.
I think Amazon has changed the game. Four years ago, the first Kindle was $359.
Their Amazon Silk browser uses their “cloud” as a proxy to help speed up load times for websites. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u7F_56WhHk
Considering that Amazon will see every site we surf, I’m sure they’ll be able to make helpful suggestions for books, music or movies we might like based on our surfing behavior.
With Silk and ‘cloud acceleration’, Amazon just joined the Big Boys Club: the privileged few, like Google, Microsoft (Bing) and Facebook, who get to follow whatever you do on the web.
I’m sure they’ll only use their new-found powers for good.
Is this new portrait-optimized layout of Boing Boing in celebration of the Kindle Fire? As computer monitors keep getting squatter and wider, and websites keep getting taller and narrower, tablets will eventually be the only way to browse the web.
At a quick guess I think the new and old boingboing both use a 960 grid. i.e. the dimensions haven’t changed. Without getting my pixel ruler out or anything anyway.
So when is Amazon buying Netflix?
The feature I noticed that was new to me was the ability to “check out” ebooks online from your local library. At $79 the convenience of a kindle combined with the economy of a library seems like a really nice proposition.
They’ve knocked a whopping £2 off the keyboard model in the U.K!
Mmm, so tempted. The skinny li’l thing is just right for my style of reading: om nom consume and discard. Don’t need fancy, don’t need keyboard, don’t need storage, just pile up a trilogy and go. I’m sore tempted.
Actually, it doesn’t run Flash, they just render it on their servers and send it to you. Clever – if creepy – way to get around Flash being a real battery killer on anything not a Windows PC.
Now, that’s not exactly fair! …it’s a battery killer on Windows PCs, too.
They seriously render flash on their end, then forward the result to you? If that’s the case, there’s no way they can claim it ‘runs’ flash? You can’t really interact with an application that way… Unless they’re somehow passing mouse coordinates, keyboard input, etc through by proxy and then rendering it at over 30fps, real-time. I’m going to look this up, because that’s the oddest way to claim support for flash I’ve ever heard.
Okay, I’m not finding any articles that suggest flash is rendered by proxy. In fact, I’m only seeing articles claiming that the Kindle supports flash 10.
Indeed, it looks like I was mistaken, and it decides to what to run locally and what to run in the cloud dynamically, which is pretty crazy. Here’s an infomercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u7F_56WhHk&feature=player_embedded
Not to threadjack or anything, but I was out of town for a few days. Is there a post talking about the BB redesign? I’d love to see the feedback.
I miss BoingBoing Gadgets.
Bah humbug. No love for those of us in Blighty, only some cheaper Kindle. Where’s Benedict Arnold when you need him?
I guess my concern would be that there’s not that much onboard memory storage – only 8 GB – and there’s only wifi. Cumulatively that’s annoying because of the shortage of public wifi in the UK. Plus the lack of Amazon Prime movie streaming here.
Kindle w/ Special Offers is actually worth FAR MORE than the one without.
They have amazing coupons (like the recent 20% off Laptops on Amazon, where I got a brand new MacBook Air 20% off, no tax). That more than paid for the Kindle right there.
Preordered mine. I already have a regular Kindle and I think I will still use that for reading books. I want the Fire as a web browsing device.
Wouldn’t it be funny if books made a cheaper version that had ads printed on every page?
No, I guess it wouldn’t be.
A bit like this notorious (at least in Pratchett circles) incident in Germany from the early 90s you mean?
Can’t get to the Android Marketplace, so that probably means no Neftlix app. I’d get one if I could use the Netflix app.
waiting to hear all the hue and cry about amazon’s DRM, how there’s no keyboard, it’s all touchscreen, it’s LCD so it’s hard to read on, and how there’s no 3G, only wifi. oh, wait — you mean the rules people apply to apple don’t apply to anyone else’s product? interesting.
They do apply, but nobody fully knows yet how restrictive the device will be. Also, bear in mind, most of the people making those complaints about the iPad were people who owned/wanted an iPad. The rest of us who were willing to wait around until the technology matured were only baffled at how people could pay so much for such a crippled device.
The Fire doesn’t seem to be marketing itself as much more than a niche gadget, as opposed to ‘the future of computing’ or whatever nonsense people thought the iPad would be before it was confirmed as a niche gadget. And, hey, this tablet is priced for what it does, and nobody’s asking $300 for the shiny apple on the back.
+1 for smarmy, smart ass technical details:
System Requirements: None, because it’s wireless and doesn’t require a computer.
If there is a .CBR reader app I’ll prolly have to get one.
Why does it need a flash when it doesn’t have a camera?
…Oh, “Flash” as in Adobe Flash! Do people still write websites in Flash?
Adobe Flash is not a selling point for me.
…Oh, “Flash” as in Adobe Flash! Do people still write websites in Flash? Adobe Flash is not a selling point for me.
This page alone already has three flash elements embedded in it. The videos in people’s comments and the Pocket Calculator video on the side.
Oh yeah, YouTube videos are all flash… Flash doesn’t just mean poorly-designed websites.
Unfortunately, until HTML5 video is mainstream (well, it has to even really exist first), all video on the web is going to be Flash or Silverlight or some other plugin. And even when HTML5 video is widespread, your mobile device will have to specifically support it.
Sure, you could use your device’s “YouTube player app” or whatever, but for the rest of us, being able to support embedded video and other rich content is pretty important.
It’s a device to consume (buy) content from the Amazon store.
I doubt one could load your own ePubs, PDFs or MP3s, then again, you only have 8GB of storage.
Lack of 3G undermines the idea of this being a cloud device that’s constantly in touch with the cloud.
Do I really want to be reading a Conde Naste 8.5×11 magazine on a 7″ display?
People whine about Apple’s closed garden…
what, no cameras?
at what point are they just going to call this device the “Fahrenheit 451″? frankly, all the burning imagery involved with the naming of this thing bothers me.
The price point is just low enough that I’m considering getting one, trying it out, maybe giving it to my parents. I have a Kindle (the second one, I believe, when they fixed the page-turning buttons), and I love it to pieces. I still get dead-tree books nearly as often as I get ebooks these days, but for the most part I consume more “disposable” prose on the Kindle, and only buy real books when I think I’ll want to keep them.
For daylight reading I prefer a Kindle to an LCD, and for nighttime reading in bed I just use the Kindle app on my Android (white text on black background is my preference, so as not to disturb the Mrs.), so I don’t really feel the need for a color e-reader, but again, this one’s price is low enough and its functionality seems just varied enough that I’m tempted. I couldn’t justify ownership of an iPad, but this I can talk myself into.
For someone who doesn’t know why he’s having this conversation, you sure do keep having it!
I buy ebooks and paper books—it just depends on what I’m buying. For me, the Kindle has completely replaced mass-market paperbacks, particularly big ones. Rereading the first four Song of Ice and Fire books was infinitely more enjoyable on the Kindle than it was the first time around with thousand-page bricks. Plus, having the ability to instantly search the entire series for characters’ names gave extra meaning to a lot of little moments.
That said, there are certain books I’d only buy in paper form. I still won’t read comics, in particular, in a digital format if a paper option is available. I also prefer reading printed collections of webcomics to the free online versions.
I guess for me, it’s not really an either-or question. Trying to frame it as one seems kind of silly.
I don’t think this was a discussion between physical books and e-books. It was a discussion on which e-reader supports more formats without converting, and that Kafenated prefers the e-reader with more formats.
I actually have a Sony e-Reader which does what I need it to do (hold e-books), but if I was going to buy a new e-reader, I’d choose the one that supports more formats.
My post was a response to Kaff up there, not a response to the thread in general. Specifically:”I don’t even know why I’m having this conversation – I buy real books.”
“I still buy real books. I’m old fashioned that way.”
I mean, okay, good for you, but this is a conversation about digital formats and conversion options. It’s like going to the AV Club primetime recaps to tell everybody how you don’t watch TV anymore and totally don’t miss it.
“Convert + Wait?” You must be thinking of video files. It takes about 30 seconds for the entire process of converting an eBook. That’s from opening the program, queuing it, and converting it. Less time if you do them in batches.
Fair enough. And certainly if there are other aspects of the Nook you prefer, then absolutely, beat the drum for it (people defending their device of choice are what make comment sections like these really valuable, in my opinion). I just wouldn’t want file conversion to be a deterrent or deciding factor for anyone, as Calibre makes it really easy.
And I actually just use my iPad since I already have one and it serves my purposes.
Well, this also brings up a good point. What is this device for exactly?
A potential user should consider that before they buy. While the Fire appears to do many things – I would be surprised if it did them particularly well (or at least, not as well as the iPad – which I also own one). This same argument applies to the Nook Color as well.
I do highly recommend the e-Ink Nook over any Kindle – and one very important reason is the formats it supports natively. I do not think that is minor.
As for the Fire – it is cheaper than an iPad – that is a plus I suppose.
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