Memoir of a child kidnapped to Guantanamo Bay, tortured for six years, and released

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104 Responses to “Memoir of a child kidnapped to Guantanamo Bay, tortured for six years, and released”

  1. Genre Slur says:

    I love being able to live through repetitions of history. It keeps me laughing hard enough to avoid killing myself or others. Sigh.

  2. Ashen Victor says:

    War on Terror… War on Human Rights.

    • tofagerl says:

      Yep… The fact that the US hasn’t gone through a “regime change” yet is starting to annoy me.

      • eldritch says:

        It’s one thing when a small nation like Lybia has a revolution. The entire culture and people live within reasonable distances of each other. What happens in one major city is not merely mentioned in another, but actively felt.

        A popular revolution in the United States would be a logistical nightmare in every respect. The distances are insane, the sprawl insurmountable, the resource distribution impossible to navigate, the communications impossible without mass cooperative effort. The government of the United States is, much like the corporations that direct it, too big to fail.

        • tofagerl says:

          Dude, you think Libya’s a small country? It’s the 17th largest in the world! Not as large, nor as populous as the US, but the revolution WAS a logistical nightmare, that’s part of the reason they needed NATO. Which would… You know, be hard to pull in to the fight in an american revolution.

        • Antinous / Moderator says:

          It’s one thing when a small nation like Libya has a revolution.

          Libya is 20 times the size of Great Britain. Still smaller than the US, but you’ve somewhat fallen victim to the Mercator effect, which makes North America, for example, look much bigger than Africa despite only being 80% as large.

        • HahTse says:

          Well, it worked in Russia…

        • digi_owl says:

          Your state could try to go “f you, DC” and declare its exit for the union. Should be interesting to see if the rest would follow suit or not.

  3. joeposts says:

    “I loved to watch old cowboy movies and believed that Americans were good people, like in the movies, it would be better with them than with the Pakistanis, we’d have lawyers. Maybe they’d allow me to study in the US, then send me back to my parents.”

    Nope; but they did remove his toenails for free.

  4. Mordicai says:

    Coming soon, thanks to #NDAA– this, happening to American citizens!

  5. “I’m afraid of Americans.  I’m afraid I can’t help it.  God is an American.” -Bowie

  6. Kommkast says:

    Well.. that’s definitely new take on human trafficking and slavery..  

  7. Ianto_Jones says:

    Don’t worry, this will also be happening to a lot of average, white, tax-paying American citizens here soon.

  8. ffabian says:

    …and that’s exactly why the US loses the war on terror – Third and Second World hate the US for doing stuff like this to them and the First World countries hate the hypocrisy of the US government telling them their self aggrandizing “Beacon of freedom”-propaganda while torturing children at the same time.

  9. SomeGuyNamedMark says:

    But I was told all US soldiers are heroes, right?

    • exile says:

      Right.
      To quote one famous hero,

      “Well, it’s their fault for bringing their kids into a battle.”

    • teapot says:

      (Though I realise that was sarcasm) You clearly have never read any of my posts. IMO soldiers (in countries where military service is not mandatory) are self-serving leeches on what could be an otherwise productive society. They both benefit from, and facilitate, the desires of the powers that be. For that they deserve no respect. They have served no one but themselves and their masters. For their service they deserve scorn.

      You are a moron if you choose to join the military. Wars will never end while people still choose to join the army.

      PS Before some noisy bad-haircut-club family member jumps in: I didn’t say soldiers and armies have never done anything useful or positive (like the apologists’ favourite example – disaster relief), I just don’t see why keeping hundreds of thousands of people fed, armed and ready to battle is required to engage in relief activities.

      PPS: Shame the Retarlicans stopped dead Obama’s efforts to close down Guantanamo. C’mon America – fix your disgusting mess.

  10. Lane Yarbrough says:

    This is what Wikileaks should really be doing. No wonder Manning did what he did, if he did it. 

    What the fuck do you do with these types of Soldier/Prison guards, how do you release them back into a community? 

    Are there going to be movies in about 50 years about an American Torturer whose hiding out in Siberia and being tracked by Swiss Authorities to be brought to trial? The Guantanamo Torture Trials?

    • eldritch says:

      This is what wikileaks WAS trying to do, before a massive political coalition of concerned parties shut it down by freezing its assets and threatening or neutralizing its contributors.

  11. carstenagger says:

    And how are those who did that to him not in jail?

  12. adonai says:

    Please remind me, Americans….why are we supposed to sympathise with you again?

    • sparkatus says:

      Because there are lots of people here who are appalled, protested and otherwise fought against it at the time and ever since.  It’s not like Obama campaigned on promises of Look Forward and keeping Gitmo open.

      Like many other countries, we are saddled with a dysfunctional government with fascistic tendencies.  We need your sympathy because it is still getting worse: heading into year 4 of economic crisis (complete with boneheaded ahistorical governmental response) is not a good situation to rein in fascism.

      • telaquapacky says:

        We have the government that we collectively asked for and that we deserve. The infuriating hypocrisy of it is that we were supposed to be something different, something better. As long as we maintain this false, Christlike image of ourselves as the darling of the world we will keep oppressing as we always have. We need the rest of the world to stand up and get royally pissed off at us and call us on our hypocrisy, if we can’t call ourselves on it. Try it sometime. Or maybe would you prefer having a job, family and friends?

        • abstract_reg says:

          I’ll start: America, you’re a hypocrite.

        • sparkatus says:

          Certain power elite structures (and people) have rigged large portions of this game. 

          “Asked for” is a little dubious with the circumvention by Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore of Constitutional election dispute resolution procedure…but I’ll grant you that what we have is otherwise a reasonably legal outcome of the system set up here 200+ years ago. So it might be a result of decisions made within a very narrow set of choices and lots of thumbs on scales (winner take all election math leads directly to a choice of tweedle dee or dum) but it isn’t particularly representative of people and is certainly isn’t what we “deserve”. 

          Yup, most countries and people ascribe to self-aggrandizing myths.  We’re no different than any other place, except bigger military. And willingness to use it.

        • imreadyforlove says:

          You work on the job, family, and friends; I’ll work on getting the other 45+% to at least vote for their President…

          • Marja Erwin says:

            Why should people participate in a rigged system? It only makes it easier for those making pro-torture, pro-war, and pro-corporate policies to pretend their power is legitimate. We’ve seen that changing presidents doesn’t change these things.

        • freemoore says:

          Actually, none of us have the government we collectively asked for.  We’re born into a society that is already running power games, and told that there is only one way to participate legitimately in those games: vote.  Choose between some people you’ve never met and hope that they agree with you about how best to run the society that you cannot but be part of.  Any other form of participation is labelled ‘dissent’ and then shouted down or violently suppressed. 
          What was that thing about decisions made under coercion not being binding?

      • ffabian says:

        “Like many other countries, we are saddled with a dysfunctional government with fascistic tendencies.  We need your sympathy because it is still getting worse: heading into year 4 of economic crisis (complete with boneheaded ahistorical governmental response) is not a good situation to rein in fascism.”

        … speaking as a US-American today or as a german 80 years ago?

    • eldritch says:

      For the same reason anyone sympathizes with anyone else, presumably. It’s important to remember that the American people don’t control their government any more than the Italians control theirs, or the Russians, et cetera.

    • microdot says:

      adonai, I would never as an american expect sympathy from anyone for the bush legacy. just try to be aware that an awful lot of americans are as horrified by what happened as you are. i only wish we could be better. i only wish we could amend the past. i was an american living in NYC when the trade center was destroyed. I was right under it all, but i took that anger and tried to make it positive. i made it my goal to try to understand what had happened and more important, why!
      now, i work with a lot of northern africans and i have had my share of aggression directed at me as the token american…but, i have learned that if i turn that agression into proactive positive energy, i can in my own little way change a tiny bit of the world for the better. 

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      Please feel free to liberate us.

      • Jonathan Roberts says:

        I remember a bumper sticker from a few years ago “be nice to America, or we’ll bring democracy to your country”.

  13. ill lich says:

    . . .  a boot stamping on a human face — forever.

  14. telaquapacky says:

    Suppose you are a government in subservience to the energy and defense industries. Your wars will be resource wars to maximize the profits of the energy sector, masquerading as “defending the free world against terrorism.” Your wars will not have clear objectives or exit strategies, but be designed to go on and on to maximize profits for the defense sector. You need a steady supply of dedicated enemies to keep the enterprise of war going. The killing of innocent civilians goes a long way, but you need something more. You can also take innocents from the people groups that are best suited to producing credible enemies of appropriate ethnicity and culture that your citizenry can easily be trained to hate, and you train those innocents to hate you, then you have a reliable supply of the enemy to keep the enterprise going. It’s nothing personal. This is business.

  15. Aram Jahn says:

    @adonai: Thanks for adding insult to unjury: from the moment I heard Bush was running in 1998 I spent effort, time, energy, money to NOT get him “elected.” There are thousands here like me. This is a nightmare. I’ve fought against Reaganomics, Poppy CIA Bush 41, Clinton’s neoliberalism, think Bush/Cheney/Wolfowitz/Rummy/Feith, et. al should be on trial for Crimes Against Humanity in the Hague, am fiercely disappointed in Obama…you must realize there are some of us here who see the US from other perspectives. 

    • davidasposted says:

      Seems to me that you should focus your attention elsewhere. And I mean with that with genuine seriousness. Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, and Bush 2 became presidents, in spite of your opposition. Obama persists in spite of your disappointment. Maybe you should look toward greener pastures?

      • eldritch says:

        Look toward greener pastures? What does that mean? Somehow force the system (which openly defies change) to operate in one’s prefered method? Or perhaps emmigrate from the United States, become a citizen of a more civilized nation elsewhere?

        • davidasposted says:

          The latter.

          • chenille says:

            That’s advice for personal problems and countries of small reach. America losing people like Aram won’t help any of its victims, though.

          • davidasposted says:

            chenille,

            The victims of American foreign policy will not be helped by his advocacy in the U.S. either. What is a person like Aram left to do?

        • Antinous / Moderator says:

          …become a citizen of a more civilized nation elsewhere?

          Assuming that we could find one, why would they want us?

          • imreadyforlove says:

            True, but I find it more likely than getting anything done around here most of the time.

          • modusoperandi00 says:

            The rest of the world needs your Truck Nuts, blankets that are also sweaters, and pizza that comes with a crust that contains more pizza!

          • dnebdal says:

            Well, the Americans I’ve met that would consider moving out have generally been nice enough people. Bring a somewhat useful education and promise to think before you vote, and I wouldn’t mind if a bunch of you showed up at OSL one day.

            That said, our immigration department has more of a say in this than me, and they’re notoriously difficult people to work with. Kind of annoying, really.

          • Antinous / Moderator says:

            Sadly, nobody will take immigrants over 40 unless you’re a one-of-a-kind scientist or independently wealthy.

    • Mister44 says:

      Soooo – who did you see as a ‘good’ president? Was it anyone in your lifetime.

      • Aram Jahn says:

        @Mister44:disqus: I see it relativisitically. My “ideal” President has never been elected, but there are a few I somewhat admire, all before I was born. In my voting lifetime, Clinton and Obama have been the least-worse, in my opinion. I refuse to settle and defend some Prez because I voted for ‘em and they’re not Vlad the Impaler. I thought Reagan did irreparable harm to the promise of the US, and then Bush/Cheney may have wrecked it for the rest of our lifetimes. With this latest We Can Detain Anyone For Any Reason, Even If They’re Americans Act – that BarackStar will sign! – I’m re-reading non-fictional narratives about, say, Jews who left when Hitler came in in 1933. Sorry to bring up Hitler, but just think of Prez Gingrich, his assholic rhetoric about “the Left” in the US since the 1980s, and how he might wield this power. Sorry about the windy answer.

  16. Robert Rada says:

    : (

  17. catherinecc says:

    Obama, change we can believe in!

  18. spacemunky says:

    Imagine if Oprah, with her reach and regard, told THESE kinds of stories to the daytime-TV public instead of hosting holiday gift-guides and Bieber interviews.

    • Brainspore says:

      I think her show is off the air now but I agree with the general sentiment.

    • ocatagon says:

      Then she wouldn’t have that reach and regard. Americans are hypocrites. We don’t want the truth. We want the lie. Whatever makes us feel good about ourselves.

  19. Brainspore says:

    Good troll huntin’ today, mods.

  20. Genre Slur says:

    I think the NSK best described the space between Emic/Etic American reality in this touching detournement of the subject… thank you, art based nation-states.
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVFctjhkGjI

  21. tron 2147 says:

    This person’s experience is horrible. These camps are horrible. Another example of the military gone wild. I really wish that we (as Americans) could get this beast under control. I wish our leaders would fess up to these horrors and get them under control. It is one of the things that makes me embarrassed to be an American. Every country has it’s warts though, so no one (no country) is immune from dirt (horrible things it’s leaders have done)….

    • Brainspore says:

      Another example of the military gone wild.

      Despite a few high-profile scapegoats, I actually think this is an example of the military doing exactly what the highest levels of civilian government asked of them. Which kind of makes the whole ordeal even more disgusting.

    • GyroMagician says:

      “Have done”, or “are doing”?

  22. Genre Slur says:

    If I gambled, I would put money on the USA fracturing into various States of America. Whole lotta small nation-states. The global-dominance/big war variable is a corpse, and a red herring. No one is going to try another Unifying Grab — the species information/tech trajectory makes such an angle unfeasible, and actually not necessary. So, if the US fractures into the SA’s, there is no real threat of Imperial absorption by the Other… just markets and competition.

  23. Mitchell Glaser says:

    Screw all that, my Kindle Fire arrived today and the screen was scratched. Get your priorities straight, for chrissakes!

  24. jambon says:

    And so America disgusted and lost the hearts and minds of the Western world. 

  25. Eark_the_Bunny says:

    America is supposed to be the greatest country in the world but we are not anymore.  I am an American but I am ashamed of my country.  We used to stand against things like torture and for human rights but now we torture people and violate people’s rights.   SHAME ON US!  We need to change!  We need to restore the rule of law among other things.  We need to be the America we once were!  We need to get rid of the corruption, the greed and do what is right!  We need jobs, not pepper spray.  We need the good laws not more restrictions on our freedoms.  America was a great county and will be great again one day.

    • Stepan Arkadyevich Oblonsky says:

      I’m not sure anyone apart from Americans ever thought you were the ‘greatest country in the world’. These kinds of things happen when you begin to believe your own propaganda.

      • Jonathan Roberts says:

        I was speaking to a guy here in China a couple of weeks ago, he stated that “many Chinese people have a lot of respect for America. We think that you are the world’s hope”. And he had a PhD in economics.

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      We need to be the America we once were!

      We never were that country unless you were a straight, white male.

  26. Nowpower says:

    I was tortured by cops in Colorado at Red Rocks amphitheater following a concert. Locked me in this little concrete cell up there, then handcuffed me and held me on the floor and tortured my genitals for a couple hours. The main perp, cop as ex military as I later found out. Check out his FB page. Total gun loving yahoo. These guys are coming home to feed their sickness upon all of us. Trained with our tax $$. God bless America

  27. blissfulight says:

    And Gitmo is still open, and Dick Cheney still walks free.  Thank you, Moral-Coward-In-Chief Obama!

  28. Mark Lee McDonald says:

    Now more than ever:

    “We have met the enemy, and the enemy is us”

    - Pogo

  29. thaum says:

    It’d be a logistical nightmare, but an Occupy Guantanamo sounds just about perfect.

    • Mitchell Glaser says:

      One of several reasons that our National Torture Center is in Cuba is certainly that it cannot be picketed or otherwise protested there. Another is that we can say that we do not do these things in America. And we must remember that even without the NTC, we would just be hosting these guests of ours in the various countries that have been revealed to contain our black ops prisons.

      • thaum says:

        Moreover, it can’t be _observed_ in any sort of direct fashion. That’s sort of what I’m getting at.

        From the article: “My first or second interrogator said to me: ‘Mohammed, I know you’re innocent but I’m doing my job. I have children to feed. I don’t want to lose my job.’”

        Now, this probably is just torture patter, good cop/bad cop, but it does bring up a point: those working at Guantanamo are the ones who provide a “heroic” narrative to their families and friends — probably for their own self-justification as well, and conveniently, this is the only real narrative permitted to egress from the NTC (I like that, I’ll use it too), directly and indirectly.

        (Or it’s not patter at all, and these people are even higher up on the “sick fuck” scale than I thought.)

  30. Nothing Much says:

    America is a nation of many … discussions. We never had a national discussion on the camp of humanity who live their lives in constant fear and can not know any peace unless they have their boot over someones face. People who cannot feel any self worth unless they destroy others. America’s military might was built to counter the USSR. That military was built with checks and balances and people who used their brains and analysis. Look to Eisenhower for an example of restrained power. However mixed in with the Eisenhowers were the Nixon’s and Cheney’s and Wolfowitz’s. When the cold war ended, the Eisenhower types left. The job was done and it was time to move on. And the military was cut, but not enough. Leaving only the maniacs behind to tend what was left of the US military.

    People like Osama Bin Laden and Dick Cheney are all the same. They view the wold through the same lens. Force. You must understand in a relatively peaceful world, they feel greatly ill at ease. They see decay and sloth, and a lack of the heroic in humanity. So they strike out. The counterparts in the attacked population then use an act of barbarity as justification to steer society in the direction of the heroic and violent.  You must understand that while reading Mr Gorani’s account of his torture horrifies you, there is a subpopulation who read this as if it were a siren’s song. To them guilt or innocense are of no matter. What matter’s is the justification they extract for themselves from the magnitude of the application of force on ‘the other’. That, to a cross section of humanity, is justice, and greatness, and the good. Until we can give a cultural name to these people and create a place for them to contain them, we’re going to keep suffering from their ability to make the world in their image.

  31. jes5199 says:

    I keep emailing these stories to President Obama but he never writes me back

  32. Genre Slur says:

    Rome + England + social programming x Ego – education = USA
    That’s science for any occasion!

  33. Matthew says:

    It’s not a coincidence that many of the people in the G.W. Bush administration were also in the Nixon administration.  Immoral doesn’t begin to describe these monsters, starting with Dick Cheney.  W was just an idiot figurehead, who didn’t argue or ask tough questions.

  34. Shinkuhadoken says:

    When I watched the outpouring of support from countries all over the world after 9/11, foreigners waving American flags, free peoples offering genuine sympathy and condolences for the tragedy that country had suffered, little did I realize at the time that it was actually a funeral for America’s ideals.

  35. hill_rat says:

    Just to play the devil’s advocate here, Wikileaks does have the official JTF-GTMO file on el-Gorani (al-Qarani), in which they allege that al-Qarani had escaped Tora Bora as part of a militant group and was seeking refuge in a mosque when he was arrested. Amongst other things, the file alleges that he was carrying letters to Abu Hafs al-Masri and a list of names and phone numbers of known militants at time of arrest, was listed as a captured militant by the al-Qaida-linked site al-Neda,  and that his name was found on a hard drive captured during the raid targeting Khalid Shaykh Muhammad.

    None of this is dispositive, of course; the JTF-GTMO docs, like most HUMINT, is defined by varying degrees of unreliability, and once bad info gets into a file it’s damnably hard to get out. But it’s also true that the LRB interview also can’t be taken at face value, especially when certain allegations (such as the use of electric shocks as a torture and interrogation method) conflict with what we know from whistleblower reports and documents. (I would definitely argue that many of the techniques used in GTMO were prima facie torture, but his allegations go beyond anything we’ve heard of or seen documented to date.)

    Unfortunately, the decision to remove militants beyond the reach of normal domestic (where appropriate) or military courts and into the grey netherworld of unlimited detainment means that we are likely to never know where the truth actually lies in these cases. The best we can do is compare the source documents we have and try to get as close as possible.

    • ffabian says:

      There’s probably more than one Mohammed el Gorani living in the Middle East. It could be a generic name like John Smith. 

      Just ask a certain Khaled al-Masri, a german citizen, who got abducted by the CIA in Macedonia and was allegedly tortured. Reason: He had the same name (al-Masri) like an el-Qaida terrorist.

    • FrodeSvendsen says:

      Ok, then answer me this, if you think there is even a smidgen of chance any of these allegations against this fourteen (!) year old kid is true, why did they let him go? Do you honestly believe that after all that, they would let him go unless they were certain they had the wrong guy?

      • hill_rat says:

        Two good questions. To answer yours first, the government had no choice in letting him go, because an Article III court found the charges to be unsupported (thus proving the system works, when we let it). What’s interesting is, I think, the question of whether the government still thinks he was a serious militant threat, or if they are concerned that he has become one due to imprisonment.

        Second, as ffabian points out, you can’t go by ism and nisbah alone when tracking someone by their Arabic name, at least not without dealing with a huge number of false positives. (Hell, once you start with ‘Muhammad,’ you’ve already got a population of 150,000,000 to deal with.) Since the JTF-GTMO report lacks sources and methods, we just don’t know how many of the charges were made on the basis of name without corroborating data.

        A few observations from the report:

        1. The most damning evidence has to do with “pocket litter” (letters to Abu Hafs and phone numbers of militants) and social network analysis (mutual possession of phone numbers and names between militants). The report alleges that al-Qarani was essentially an errand boy for the militants, running messages between figures in the militant movement, and was believed to have done so in Saudi Arabia as well as Afghanistan.  If the pocket litter belonged to al-Qarani (and wasn’t planted by Pakistani forces, see below), then it serves as significant evidence that he had some relationship with militants.

        2. At the same time, the report separately alleges that al-Qarani was “an extremist fighter who … used the cover story that he was a humanitarian and relief worker” and that he was linked to a “London-based al-Qaida cell,” both of which are at best almost impossible due to al-Qarani’s age. If he was involved with militants, his operational involvement would have been virtually null, and his intelligence value related to whether he was acting as a courier between senior figures.

        3.  A great deal of the assessment of al-Qarani is based on evidence that was either provided by or passed through the hands of Pakistani officials, who cannot be assumed to operate in good faith. Thus, no chain of custody can be shown. Other assessments come from interrogations of other prisoners, and the transcripts and conditions of those interrogations are not available.

        4. The JTF-GTMO report asserts that al-Qarani was a suicide operative, but provides no sources or methods to back up this assertion.

        5. Al-Qarani’s report of practices at GTMO to the LRB contains elements that are both corroborated and refuted by other investigations and testimony.  Al-Qarani’s reports of being chained and having to urinate on himself are backed up by the DOJ’s report on FBI practices at Guantanamo. This stress position, and the incident discussed by al-Qarani, was later identified by DOJ as “short chaining,” a technique not allowed by DOD rules at the time; the DOJ report says that FBI and military interrogators continued using stress positions even after SecDef Rumsfeld disallowed them, believing they were still on the list of allowed techniques. Sleep deprivation techniques reported by al-Qarani were allowed and regularly used. (Amnesty International and other HR groups charge that such techniques are Article 22 violations.)

        6.  However, his allegations that he was tortured with electricity have not been substantiated by any other reports. Medical logs from GTMO say that al-Qarani had an ingrown toenail surgically removed; later, al-Qarani would allege that an interrogator named “Clint” withheld pain medication from him following the surgery, indicating that he has changed stories. (Withholding of medically-indicated pain medication contingent upon cooperation in interrogation is, I believe, an incident of torture, and would not be inconsistent with what we know of practices at GTMO.)

        7. Finally, even if we stipulate that al-Qarani was a low-level courier for militants (a kind of “Junior Jihadi”), he would not have posed the kind of immediate risk or constituted the kind of intelligence value that would mandate his continued imprisonment in black sites and GTMO and use of physical and psychological stress inducers as part of prolonged interrogation. Far worse actors were remanded to Saudi custody and eventually released (frequently back to militant activity); the mere fact that KSA refused to take back al-Qarani (unsurprising, due to endemic Saudi racism) should not have been considered an aggravating factor in al-Qarani’s continued detention.

    • “Alleged”

      you use that word a lot, but I do not think it means what you think it means.

      • hill_rat says:

        Er, what do *you* think it means? I’m assuming you’re not taking the government’s side on this one.

        I’ll point out that the JTF-GTMO docs don’t “allege,” they just state as fact, while eliding sources and methods that would allow for proper consideration of the allegations. As I note above, the lack of a chain of custody for evidence, and the questionable value of testimony obtained from other prisoners, means that I don’t accept anything in the documentary file as proven.

  36. Magnus Redin says:

    That the US government dont torture much is a weak comfort.

    • Mitchell Glaser says:

      “much” is subjective. To the person on the receiving end you can probably replace that word with “plenty”.

      • Magnus Redin says:

        The changes in how the US government behaves is like worrying for an old friend that has started drinking and maybe beats his wife. He used to be so kind and helpful and even protected us from the neighbourhood bully USSR.

        • TheMudshark says:

          What you didn´t know, after protecting you from that neighbourhood bully, he used to go home and torture small animals in the backyard.

  37. lyesmith xxx says:

    What disturbs me that US government starts “Operation Bunnies” in Iraq because they claim that know for certainty that they have WMD. Spent trillions of dollars, put the US economy to debt, ruined Iraq, directly or indirectly causing the deaths of 100s of thousands of people. After all this they admit that there is no WMD in Iraq,they have never knew this for certainty .

    Meanwhile they start another a war (Operation Butterfly or what’s its name) in Afghanistan claiming that were responsible for 9-11. They spend trillions of dollars, they put US into debt, they does not actually achieve anything apart from directly or indirectly  causing the deaths of 
    100s of thousands of people . They switch the government to one that will collapse in seconds after they leave hence putting Afghan people in a  way worse situation. They doing this just to realize that in the whole time OBL lived happily in Pakistan (Operation Unicorn is coming soon).

    And nobody is actually responsible for these wars. Anybody who started these wars knowing exactly that they were absolutely purposeless is a war criminal.

    PS: And I did not actually mentioned Guantanamo which of course makes them a war criminal by default.

  38. angiemeh says:

    As an American, I would like to apologize to the entire world.  Please know that most Americans are disgusted (and in tears) when they read articles like this.  Our government has failed us.  They are evil and disgusting.   What was done to this boy, and others, is no different than what the Nazis did.    I think it’s going to take the entire world to stop these psychopaths who are calling the shots in our government.  They are mentally deranged cowards.   They don’t speak for me.  They don’t represent my views.   They are sick.   I am ashamed of my government.

  39. Brainspore says:

    is a fourteen-year-old really still considered a “child” in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan?

    I don’t think it would matter either way, the point is that he’s considered a child by the nation that kidnapped and tortured him. Women are considered subhuman sex objects in some parts of the world, that doesn’t make it any better if the American government decides to open a rape camp.

  40. Brainspore says:

    Because it’s totally cool to kidnap and torture children as long as somebody told you they were affiliated with al-Qaida.

  41. Mister44 says:

    If you can’t trust the Pakistanis – who can you trust?

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