What Orson Scott Card's Superman comic will be like

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  1. John Lussier says:

    Oh cool, now we’re just gonna imagine how awful the people we don’t like are.

  2. sigismund says:

    Once again, it’s all froggies fault.

  3. xzzy says:

    The offhand dismissal of global warming was the best part, really.

  4. Chuck says:

    I misread Doomsday’s name in the last panel above. (Thus begins a rewrite of an alternate Doomsday character in my head.)

  5. Rider says:

    If people knew the political views and crazy conspiracy that most comic book writers had they would never pick up a comic. 

    Ditko, Miller, Adams…

    The list of whacked out of there mind people in the comics industry is endless. 

    • euansmith says:

       Ditko… There is no grey… there is only black and white…

      • Bearpaw01 says:

        Even people who only see things in black and white are one step ahead of people who only see things in one shade of grey.

        • Quiche de Resistance says:

          There are two kinds of people in the world, people who think the world can be separated into two kinds of people and people who don’t.

    • eldritch says:

      I do know the political views and crazy conspiracy theories that most comic book writers hold, and I haven’t ever picked up a comic – at least not any by those sorts of authors.

      Why would I pay good money to read mediocre work by authors and artists whom I dislike when I can much more easily read free webcomics with visual and story potential unconstrained by bloated franchises and corporate interests, from authors and artists whom I both like and respect, both for their political views and for who they are as people?

      Fuck Ditko. Fuck Miller. Fuck Adams.

      Give me Garrity, give me Diaz, give me Cooper, give me Beaton, give me Helmer, give me Maihack, give me Dutton, give me Gorman, give me any of the dozens of other authors I adore for being pleasant, creative, likeable people who put out wonderful, beautiful, amazing work.

      • Rider says:

        Whatever you say.

      • Antinous / Moderator says:

        Fuck Ditko. Fuck Miller. Fuck Adams.

        With a little work, you could reformat that comment as a parody of The Night Before Christmas.

        • eldritch says:

          Twas the twilight of comics/
          Of the kind sold in books/
          Filled with heroes dubbed super/
          And counterpart crooks/
          Their stories were hackneyed/
          And cliché – oh, bore! -/
          Full of musclebound brutes/
          Ill-clad women, and gore/
          The readers were pining/
          For comics more sound/
          Fervently wishing/
          For such works to be found/
          Et cetera.

          ?

      • C W says:

        Those persons don’t have actual political power, thankfully. Card does.

      • Thad Boyd says:

        Oh goodie, another “I am going to announce my ignorance about these people and then go right ahead and disrespect them as if I know what I’m talking about” post.  Never seen one of THOSE in a comics thread before.

        I love Kate Beaton too.  But I’m not going to piss all over Neal Adams’s art because he believes the world is expanding.  That would be downright silly.

    • toyg says:

      One thing is being “out there” (conspiracy theories etc), another is to actively hate on (and discriminate against) large segments of the population. 

      Besides, this isn’t new: when Miller first came out with his Dark Knight, there was a wide debate on whether his view of a fundamentally-fascist Batman was critical or glorifying. Miller spent years being ambiguous about it, until his later work (including the Robocop sequels) was so unashamedly wingnut that he had to come out as the batshit lunatic fascist he is, which resulted in his sales plummeting.

      Obviously, like it was widely explained in the ’80s, traditional superheroes are inherently right-wing, so they attract a certain type of authors; however, until they limit themselves at drawing norse gods fighting aliens, nobody really cares. Like many readers, I don’t give a s*it if Alan Moore wants to be a wizard or a lizard, but I draw the line at being a fascist asshole in public.

    • Thad Boyd says:

      Adams’s views are, so far as I know, harmless, and his actual political advocacy in the past has been downright noble (he was a leading figure in getting Siegel and Shuster compensation and credit when the Superman movie came out).

      And Miller’s politics aren’t exactly a secret given how prominent they’ve been in his recent work.  (Though dismissing him as right-wing, as some people have tried to do based on his anti-Muslim ravings, is an oversimplification, seeing as how he’s depicted Reagan as a fascist and W as a hologram controlled by Luthor and Brainiac.)

      Ditko…hell, I’m not going to lie, his stuff’s so damn beautiful that I love it no matter how far he crawls up Ayn Rand’s ass.

      Other nuts of note include Alan Moore and Dave Sim.

  6. angusm says:

    Some of Card’s beliefs seem to be a little more nuanced than you might expect. I read “Speaker for the Dead” and came away wondering if he’d undergone a late-life conversion to liberal humanism.

  7. Christopher says:

    The best part of this is that when Card writes his Superman comic Bates will be able to sue him for plagiarism. 

  8. Svenn Diagram says:

    I can’t believe that Tor Publishing still acts as an outlet for this vile homophobic bigot. What does it say about Tor and Patrick Nielsen Hayden (Tor’s Manager of Science Fiction) that they are happy to profit from Card’s anti-gay effluvia?

    • duncancreamer says:

      Does he use his books to espouse his opinions? I read the Enders’ series and don’t recall any homophobia.

      • He may not have so much in earlier works, but he’s definitely getting worse and more blatant as time goes on. His Hamlet… “adaptation”, reinterpreted Hamlet’s father as a gay pedophile who deserved to die for molesting all Hamlet’s friends as boys and thus turning them gay.

        …Yeah.

    • toyg says:

      But of course, it’s the perfect cover. For years, Silvio Berlusconi financed comedians who were his harshest critics, giving them ample space on his TV channels… it was proof of him being “liberal”. 

      Should Tor publicly refuse to publish authors holding certain views, regardless of whether these views are actually expoused in their works, they’d attract the “partisan” label and lose a significant number of customers.

    • bardfinn says:

      Happy or unhappy, contracts are contracts, and if the contract has no “moral turpitude” clause (or if such is unenforceable), then the contract’s a contract, happy or unhappy.

      Tl;dr: contract law supersedes whether someone holds politically noxious views.

  9. Michael Virks says:

    The author of that Masochistic Pre-Teen Boys’ Boarding School In Space novella is anti-gay? That’s rich. O.S. Card needs less closet-time, clearly…

    • C W says:

      There’s been plenty of stink about his horrid beliefs, but

      1) He wasn’t that outspoken when he was getting established

      2) He isn’t an active boardmember of the most influential anti-gay lobbying group.

      • Dan Hibiki says:

        this was out 2012 and there are many other recent works like All Star Batman.

        • C W says:

          You seem to have ignored my second point.

          Besides, Batman isn’t quite assumed to be right, helpful, or sane.

          • Dan Hibiki says:

            You miss the fact that he is an active homophobic, racist, misogynistic comic book writer who fills plenty of his comics with the kind of drivel as the parody shown in the article above.

            Does he really need to be registered before you can give a fuck?

          • C W says:

            I find it dumb and at the same time horrid that you feel we shouldn’t feel uncomfortable with Card because there’s another horrible person in comic fandom (which plenty of fans stopped supporting years ago due to his loathsome beliefs.)

            Again FRANK MILLER HAS NO POLITICAL POWER. CARD IS (unless something has changed) A NOM BOARD MEMBER.

            There is an objective difference between who is actively hurting the cause of human rights in America and abroad and who is otherwise a fascist who hates “the 99%”.

            If you can’t understand the difference you’re hopeless.

        • Thad Boyd says:

          It’s a 2012 adaptation of a 1986 comic.  Not quite the same thing.

  10. Rich Bowen says:

    So it’ll be a seed of a good idea, bogged down by a lot of “look how clever I am!” world-building.

    Oh, and the gay thing.

  11. chris jimson says:

    Superman, a physically fit guy who wears brightly colored tights and a cape . . . I wonder if Orson Scott Card thinks that’s kinda gay. 

  12. Gerald Mander says:

    He forgot the mutilation. There’s a lot of mutilation and amputation in Scott Card’s stuff.

    • Rich Keller says:

      The only thing of Card’s that I can recall reading was “Unaccompanied Sonata” in Omni back in 1979. I vaguely remember something about the loss of fingers and maybe voice.

  13. Adam Beatrice says:

    “Heaven forbid someone have different opinions than me! He’s so closed-minded because he doesn’t think the way I think.” – Everyone in this thread.

    • AVR says:

      “I am not capable of recognizing hatred or bigotry as more than a benign difference of opinion, and mock people who are.” – You.

      • Adam Beatrice says:

        “I’m going to put words in your mouth without any indication of what your personal beliefs or opinions are.” – You

        • C W says:

          “I’m going to put words in your mouth without any indication of what your personal beliefs or opinions are.”

          Ye gods. Have you read the drivel that you crap onto your keyboard? Let me repost it sans-modification.

          “Heaven forbid someone have different opinions than me! He’s so closed-minded because he doesn’t think the way I think.” – Everyone in this thread.

          You’re a bad person and should feel bad.

        • Girard says:

          Wow. You either have a pitch-black sense of irony or a hilariously naive lack of self-awareness saying that. That sentiment is pretty much entirely the premise of your initial post, you hypocritical idiot.

  14. Oh lordy, who are they hire next, Glenn Beck?

  15. Negatron says:

    Oh no, time honored institution of super-hero comics are tarnished by this person who has his own opinions about something.

    • wysinwyg says:

      “His own opinions”.  That he just happens to share with a few hundred million Christian fundamentalist bigots.

      Queer bashing is not some brave and noble stand.  Tolerating difference isn’t commie group think.

    • Josh Jasper says:

      I know, Next you’ll be telling us they ought to keep out people who espouse genocide! Standards are for punks, amirite?

    • C W says:

      Someone already trotted the “opinions” canard, sorry. You need to come up with a fresh idiocy for the day.

  16. muddi900 says:

    Orson Scott Card hasn’t written any fiction half as offensive as this:
    https://lh3.ggpht.com/-8iCsuAjiyp0/TnztcRrnXWI/AAAAAAAAAB8/fyJxmYW_Ry0/s1600/starfire+1.jpg

    From the guy who’s writing Superman comics right NOW!

  17. Josh Jasper says:

    Does no one actually remember that Card is on record as defending sodomy laws? He claims he was somehow doing so to promote tolerance, but his words are clear. 

    Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the books, not to be indiscriminately enforced against anyone who happens to be caught violating them, but to be used when necessary to send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society’s regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society.

    The goal of the polity is not to put homosexuals in jail. The goal is to discourage people from engaging in homosexual practices in the first place, and, when they nevertheless proceed in their homosexual behavior, to encourage them to do so discreetly, so as not to shake the confidence of the community in the polity’s ability to provide rules for safe, stable, dependable marriage and family relationships.

    Every time Card pops up in the news, it’s forgotten that he said that. In public, in order to convince people that toleration for queers is bad.

  18. Maybe I haven’t read enough of Card’s recent work, but in the Ender series Card seemed entirely capable of working intelligently through complex ethical dilemmas.  The satire piece up top bears no similarity to Card’s writing.  Maybe it reflects his views (though oversimplified), but it falls flat as satire.  I doubt that the Superman universe is suddenly going to implode into an illustrated version of the Westboro Baptist Church.

  19. Otakumom says:

    There is an enormous “I didn’t know he had such horrible views” discussion about Card on Amazon that blows up regularly

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/forum/cd/discussion.html/ref=ntt_mus_ep_cd_tft_tp?ie=UTF8&cdForum=Fx9UB9VMB9464V&cdThread=Tx1JFT7913W0Q5L

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