Xeni on G4's AOTS re: Tibet and China's 'net blackout

I'll be a guest on G4 TV's "Attack of the Show" today, for a discussion about the blocking of YouTube, Google News, and other sites (including Boing Boing) in China in the wake of recent violence in Tibet. Link. Update: video's online, embedded above.

Boing Boing editor/partner and tech culture journalist Xeni Jardin hosts and produces Boing Boing's in-flight TV channel on Virgin America airlines (#10 on the dial), and writes about living with breast cancer. Diagnosed in 2011. @xeni on Twitter. email: xeni@boingboing.net.

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Avram

Upyoursix, if you want people to take your arguments seriously, you’re not acting like it.

I haven’t really been paying much attention to the Tibet story. I’m willing to believe that Xeni and/or the western news media have important details wrong. It happens — people screw up sometimes. Both bloggers and mainstream news agencies occasionally get stories wrong.

But you haven’t made your case. You haven’t provided links to sources that back up your version of events. And to make matters worse, you started off by accusing Xeni of being a propagandist.

(And no, those photos you linked to don’t count as sources. They show dead bodies and a damaged bus, but there’s no context. I can’t tell how the damage was done, or by who.)
lev3k

@upyoursix:

If the media is getting so much wrong, how about having China let them into Tibet to clear up all these misunderstandings.
Takuan

kid,etc.; you are not fooling anyone here. Why not examine your position and consider coming over to the side of decency,humanity and honour? We don’t pay anything but you can sleep at night.
Takuan

boycott coming

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080318/D8VG3QDG0.html
Antinous

Kid,

First, get my name right.

Second – A lot of times people speak up when they cannot tolerate anymore. Then he should stop acting like a dick if he’s so sincere and concerned. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that there’s a good reason that you are unable to differentiate between a sincere post and a troll post. Tone matters in trolling. His tone is deliberately designed to offend.
Takuan

Attend me momentarily. Have I impressed you with my lack of judgement and inexperience? Is my hallmark callowness? Trolls are innocent,obnoxious,but innocent.They wreak their harm solely in the name of their own egos. There are worse things than trolls.
Antinous

I have my reasons. A little research on the particular subject at hand can be quite informative.
Takuan

this always makes me feel better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKLKMAr3sos
Antinous

Outsourced trolling. If you build it, they will come.
Tyson Williams

Great to see you speaking about Tibet and Tibetan people on AOTS as well as what is going on there. Indeed, long time coming and now it is time for the world to stand up to China and stop the occupation of Tibet.
Splendor

I’ll be watching.
Paul Maurice Martin

Good for you. What’s been going on in Tibet since the mid-fifties is a real tragedy.
Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Moderator

That was surely a troll.

Did anyone notice that the scenario he laid down so firmly in his first message was not only fraudulent — propaganda indeed — but something he could not have arrived at just by collating media reports?

Kid, your message has been suspended (not disemvowelled) for its sheer disingenuousness, and for one other characteristic error which I won’t identify because I want you to make it again if you come back here under another name.

(…)

Guys, I don’t think we’re getting astroturfed by the Chinese. I think this is a domestic product.

The Chinese lit into the Tibetans three days after Bush ill-advisedly took China off the human rights blacklist. That was blatant. China owns a huge amount of our debt, and right now the U.S. financial markets are frighteningly unstable because Bush and his cronies, supporters, and beneficiaries have gnawed the economy hollow. They’re trying desperately to hold off the collapse until Bush is out of office, or at least until after the elections.

General public indignation on behalf of the Tibetans would be so very inconvenient at this moment.
yish

I wanted to say: “yes, and let’s not forget who’s providing the filtering tools”. But then I realized you’re the one who’s said that first:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/09/opinion/09jardin.html?

(found on http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/infolaw/2008/03/12/companies-enabling-censorship/)

with all the calls for boycotting china, shouldn’t we take consumer action against these companies?
dougrogers

NY Times piece. Seems very balanced to me

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/world/asia/20tibet.html?_r=1&ex=1363665600&en=d6ebd0d56e51e3ae&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin
Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Moderator

On third thought, maybe it is the Chinese. Bush & Co. are stretched pretty thin at the moment.
hayagriva

BoingBoing is back up in China. Or it is on my ISP, anyway.

-live and direct from Beijing
jjasper

Spread the word. How much of the internet can the PRC block? If the rest of the world goes dark to China’s internet readers in protest, this could be a really effective means of protest.

I know a bit about the leaders of Chinese government from studying history and current events. Loosing face in the eyes of the rest of the world, and being laughed fills them with rage. They’re insecure, and can’t really handle criticism. And god knows they crave respectability and recognition on the world stage.

So it’s up to the rest of the world to shame them. They deserve it.

As for the “oh, but the US is bad too” crowd, I invite you to make mock of the US and our ‘leadership’ as often as you want. It’s one thing we’re good at accepting. Unlike the Chinese government. They’re afraid of being shamed. So afraid they’ll kill to prevent it.
upyoursix

Qt wth th prpgnd. Xn gs n G4TV nd sys Tbtns r bng klld fr prtstng? Hr’s wht hppnd. grp f Tbtn mnks stgd prtst. Th plc rrstd thm. Smn sprds th rmr tht thy wr xctd. Th Tbtns strtd rtng ftr nd ws rprtd s s by Wstrn trsts n Tbt. ll th pctrs nd vd f vlnc s f Tbtns ttckng cvlns nt th plc r gvrnmnt. Ths pctrs nd vd nd ccnts f Tbtns ttckng Chns, Jpns, nd H mnrts r frm Wstrn trsts. Th fct s thr s n pctrs f plc ttckng r kllng Tbtns tht hv mrg yt. f th prpgnd wr tr, smn wld’v hd pctrs bt th nly mgs r f nncnt cvlns bng ttckd by Tbtn mbs. Lt’s hr th hypcrts tht bhnd Tbt dfnd Tbtn vlnc gnst nncnt cvlns. f Tbtns wr th nly vctms, thn th Dl Lm wldn’t b dnncng vlnc cmmttd by Tbtns nd thrtnng t stp dwn s ldr. Rlly f Tbtns r th vctms f vlnc, thn th Dl Lm wldn’t hv t cmmnt n Tbtns cmmttng vlnc, wld h?
upyoursix

ls wh’s th cnsrng th nws whn y hr nthng f ths cvlns klld by Tbtn mbs.

Hr’s sm pcs mrgng n th nt f mrdrd vctms f Tbtn mbs tsd Tbt n nthr cty.

http://mg166.mgshck.s/mg166/6895/234275886152c6f3cdds6.jpg

http://mg166.mgshck.s/mg166/3442/234358736028d1b36141n9.jpg
Takuan

Howdy Upyours, everything OK in Beijing?
upyoursix

Srry, brn nd brd mrcn bt ‘m nt lmmng. T bd fr gttng t wrng nd sprdng prpgnd.
Takuan

Well, I suppose we should be happy that the Chinese government feels BoingBoing important enough to include in their efforts.

Pity about all the dead people though.
upyoursix

lv ntlrnc frm th hypcrts wh cry bt tlrnc nd cmpssn. ddn’t knw G4TV ws sn n Chn.
Takuan

A “Bread” American? Is that like a Rice Christian?
dougrogers

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080318.wtibetdiscussion0318/BNStory/International/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20080318.wtibetdiscussion0318

Interview with Geoffrey York, The Globe And Mail Beijing Bereau chief.
upyoursix

LL! Nc ctch. Jst smpl typ. Bt lv th rny f tlkng bt cnsrshp n nthr cntry bt thn tlkng bt hw Tbtns r r th nly vctms f vlnc whn tht’s nt tr. nd lv hw f smn hs dffrnt pnn, cvl dscssn trns nt nslts nd ntlrnc.
Antinous

Upyoursix,

You’re a professional troll. You signed up for BB just to troll this thread. You are dead to us.
upyoursix

ntns

N sgnd p t xprss my pnn ftr wtchng Xn n G4TV. f Xn nly wntd nly n-sd pnn thn sh shld’v sttd tht n G4TV r nt hv pprd n th shw. Y cn’t ccpt tht fct. Wll gss snc y pprntly r ffndd tht dr t ffr dffrnt prspctv. Thnk y fr cnfrmng hw f smn hs dffrng vw, thy gt nsltd. lv th hypcrsy f cryng bt fr spch yt wnt t ntmdt ppl frm nt xprssng t by nslts.
Takuan

as they say in Hong Kong (where some are still free)
Yat-zeu See-feut
upyoursix

lv th hypcrsy!
Takuan

that is apparent
upyoursix

Yh xpsng hypcrsy s fn bsnss.
Agent 86

I’m sorry people are being killed, but I’m more sorry that average Tibetans are put into a situation where they felt the need to riot. The worst part is that no one is stepping in on the Tibet’s behalf, so the violence we see can only continue/get worse.

Much respect to Tenzin Gyatso. Isn’t he the Lama who plans on being reborn as a woman?

Upyoursix:
The US media is filled with hypocrisy, misinformation, and bias. Thank god we’re allowed to view media from other countries, to fill in the gaps of knowledge. (and thank god for the BBC!)

That being said, you look to be trolling if you provide no links to corroborate a dissenting opinion, or if you say said opinion is a hostile tone. Quit trolling, and start engaging in civil Civil Discourse.

~Ryan