Broadcasters fight hard against public use of blank spectrum

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16 Responses to “Broadcasters fight hard against public use of blank spectrum”

  1. Takuan says:

    @11
    is that still true? You still need a detector van festooned with antennae creeping around and triangulating fixes? I would have thought by now some software solution existed that worked backwards from multiple points where interference was reported.

  2. t.a. adjuster says:

    I want to see unlicensed use of “white space”. This spectrum is great for penetrating buildings and providing wide-area coverage. The innovation that’s taken off in the 2.4Ghz ISM band is something that U.S. spectrum policy should be working to foster.

    My issue: I don’t have a lot of time to research this issue, but I really, really want to help. Who should I be giving money to? Who should I be writing to?

    I’m happy to get the word out, and to contribute funds. What I don’t have, and I suspect others don’t either, is a lot of spare time to read up on who the players are and how to get involved.

    To my mind, the “good guys” are the people out there fighting for free public use of this spectrum. Who *are* the good guys? How can I help them?

  3. Jardine says:

    I seem to remember that as part of the deal for tv stations getting their chunk of spectrum, they had to provide a public service. Part of that was the news and the rest was public service messages (like anti-drug commercials), community event announcements, and some other things. How much of a public service are these stations providing now?

  4. Takuan says:

    screw broadcast television. Really. I see less and less point for it in its past and present form. They show no signs of learning whatsoever.

  5. skeeter17 says:

    To my understanding, the concern is less by the N.A.B. about interference with their broadcast signals, but rather concern from the entertainment industry as a whole with interference with their wireless communication devices.

    This issue has been somewhat well explained in the Ars forums.

    In essence, any high quality wireless audio product, from the wireless mic at your church or from last week’s conference, to the wireless in-ear-monitors used by your favorite mid to large band uses these whitespaces.

    (I have a small bias in this as a live sound engineer, and thus work with devices that would be made obsolete by the usage of this whitespace. Already it is difficult to fit in. And yes, the entertainment industry does have the momentum here having used wireless devices for these purposes since the 70s, and in this frequency range since the late 80′s or so. That said, the entire live entertainment industry does depend on them, from the top all the way to the college where I do theater as a student, to high schools)

  6. mrfitz says:

    What would be the problem with this space if it were considered federal property? Companies using it could then lease the land, or it could be allocated with grants.

  7. XiangDo says:

    The problem with the FCC’s regulations against unlicensed devices interfering with licensed services is twofold.

    First, unlicensed devices are not traceable to the individuals using them, hence it is difficult to identify the source of interference without going into the field with receiving equipment to triangulate on the device’s location in order to actually find it, and hence its operator. Except in the case of ongoing, continuous interference, this isn’t likely to be possible. Unlicensed portable devices are likely to be difficult or impossible to locate if they cause interference.

    Second, the FCC seems no longer well-equipped to conduct investigations into interference complaints. Consider that U.S. Coast Guard vessels off the coast of Maine are frequently finding marine radio channels unusable due to truck drivers – illegally – using marine radios and powerful amplifiers in preference to the CB radios they used to use – also usually illegally. The FCC told the Coast Guard that they haven’t the ability to police such a problem. If maritime emergencies have to take a back seat to trucker chit-chat, what chance does a DTV viewer have of getting the FCC to investigate their interference complaints?

    A problem exists in how – or how well – a device determines it is operating on a truly vacant channel. Unless it can accurately determine that a nearby TV viewer using a rooftop antenna can or cannot be receiving a DTV signal on that channel, it can’t use the channel without risking interfering.

    Consider that the device doesn’t have the same height or antenna gain as the DTV viewer’s system, so it can easily construe a channel as vacant and start broadcasting a signal that may be enough to interfere with what had been perfect DTV reception in a fringe area. The ability to get clear reception even in weak signal areas is one of DTV’s real advantages, but an unlicensed device that doesn’t accurately determine channel usage could deprive a viewer of their DTV signal.

    All of this supposes that a DTV viewer experiencing reception problems due to white space device interference could actually determine that to be the cause. Since the effect would be either sporadic or total loss of the TV signal with no hint that it’s because of a nearby white space device, the viewer is left to guess at the cause.

    Some might call the TV station to complain, only to be told – correctly – that everything is normal there; most will give up and change the channel.

    REVENG’s suggestion that these devices have their own frequencies is the simplest solution – but until unlicensed device users are able to pay through the nose for their own chunk of spectrum, I’m not expecting to see it happen. It’s all about the sale of spectrum.

  8. Cronan says:

    Seems to me like the entertainment industry should be using standards, rather than simply grabbing the whitespaces. If they chose to use these with any regulation or controls, then they’re going to have to suck it in.

    Why don’t they use WiFi?

  9. JimXugle says:

    “The National Ass. of Broadcasters”

    I see what you did there.

  10. dondelny says:

    For the record, some of this could have been avoided if we had gone with non-high def TV.

    Traditional analog TV really does need a buttload of whitespace around it, no foolin’. A TV signal is about 6Mhz wide to fit in all those gradations from light to dark, plus AM audio. To give you some idea how big 6Mhz is, the entire FM radio band fits between TV channels 6 and 7!*

    So you have to keep that band pretty “clean” or you get a nasty picture, since the receivers have to be made really sensitive to pick out even moderate amounts of detail. Due to a quirk of physics, the filters that prevent TV stations from splattering outside their 6Mhz bands are big, (physically large), very expensive, and impossible to tune much outside the frequency they were built for.

    So for most of the prior existence of TV, it was just plain dumb to let expensive, sensitive, and somewhat delicate TV transmitters be required to accommodate other stuff. Now, if you just wanted ordinary-def digital TV…well, that you could pack in a lot tighter. But the broadcasters already had 6Mhz allotments, and you know the rest.

    The real problem with “white space” devices, is that they have to work correctly every single time, or risk screwing up something actually fairly important – like emergency communication frequencies, radio astronomy, or … wifi. That means a standard of engineering better than your typical generic video card that comes out of the discount electronics factories overseas.

    *for example, if you were willing to do away with TV that lands on channels 2-6, you could have another 1200 FM stations! [Slightly oversimplified, due to boundary issues, desired channel interleave, etc. A better back of the envelope sketch would be 600. But still!]

  11. B2B says:

    Hey Cory, nice article! It’s been an ongoing issue. The government loves spectrum! no need for investment and can sell it and resell it as much as they want for huge profits! I’m sure this isn’t going to be the last time we are going to hear about it.

    Here’s an article about the battling over white space spectrum. A little bit of history, and then some conflicting topics.

  12. mdhatter says:

    If they keep us to 2.4 GHz, then they only have to monitor 2.4GHz.

  13. Moon says:

    The National Ass. of Broadcasters

    did you type “National Ass.” on purpose?

  14. RevEng says:

    Perhaps they should have left us some public space in the first place. We just finished following a tense big for new spectrum. If we need room for personal devices, why are we selling all of the remaining spectrum to big companies? Set some aside and let consumer-level devices use it.

    Since the FCC does have a policy of not allowing low-class devices to interfere with higher-class devices, it makes sense to keep those different classes on different frequencies.

    While it makes sense, in terms of efficiency, to use whitespaces for consumer devices, it’s only becoming necessary because the FCC is too busy selling public spectrum in exclusive contracts to large corporations. If they would just leave some room aside for everybody to use, this wouldn’t be an issue.

  15. zuzu says:

    To my mind, the “good guys” are the people out there fighting for free public use of this spectrum. Who *are* the good guys? How can I help them?

    Topics:
    * Open Spectrum
    * Cognitive radio
    * Software-defined radio (SDR)

    Key people:
    * David Weinberger (author of Everything is Miscellaneous)
    * David P. Reed (of Reed’s law fame)
    * Larry Lessig (founded Creative Commons)
    * Eric Blossom (spearheading GNU Radio software)
    * Matt Ettus (spearheading the Universal Software Radio Peripheral (USRP) hardware)

    See also:
    * Motorolla / Google whitespace prototype
    * White Spaces Coalition
    * Wireless Innovation Alliance
    * Radio Reference wiki
    * Prometheus Radio

  16. wackyvorlon says:

    Something to remember, analog colour TV signals consume huge amounts of spectrum. Each station runs around 6 megahertz.

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