Haiti, HAARP, and conspiracy theorists

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  1. Anonymous says:

    I love that t-shirts proclaiming, “Samsung,” are considered pro-American propaganda.

  2. Anonymous says:

    1. Nick Begich is a pretty intelligent conspirator.

    2. POR GrAmmEEER and SPEllinG misDakes are not only present in New World Order forums. They’re becoming a sad trademark of the internet. “LOL!!!”

    3. The politics of the world are much more confusing than even NPR makes them out to be. There is no such thing as partisan politics. People who even use the term “conspiracy theory” are obviously afraid of not understanding things the way they do now. They are scared to entertain the idea that our world might not be so candy-coated, and that being a “politically intelligent” human being may be a complete scam.

    4. And OMG, President Obama would NEVER lie to us! Brainwashing? Nah…

  3. Rindan says:

    Yes, clearly the US wants to take over the poorest most resource deprived nation in the world in a location of zero strategic value…

    …that, or the US really is just disturbed that a disaster that is dumping off percentage points of a nations population is happening next door and it just so happens that the US has an over funded force that is pretty good at quickly jumping over bodies of water into places with no need for local support and is a master of transporting large amounts of supplies rapidly. The reason why the US army is there is because they kick supreme amounts of ass not only in blowing shit up, but moving materials required to blow shit up to places with no infrastructure. This ability can be put to good use by replacing “stuff that blows up” with “stuff you can eat”.

    If the US has any strategic interest in Haiti, it is to keep the place livable enough that a few million Haitians don’t decide that jumping into makeshift rafts and swimming for it is a good idea. Otherwise, the reason why the US is there is so that the US doesn’t look like an ass when a few million people die off of the coast.

    If the US is feeling all imperialistic, Haiti is literally the absolute dead last choice of nations that it would pick. Poor beyond measure, devoid of all resources, and in a location that I think it is pretty safe to say the US has covered… oh yeah, awesome imperial target.

    • lewis stoole says:

      don’t forget the us army’s ability to quickly clean-up and rebuild a decimated infrastructure through their mighty corps of engineers. now if and when we see no-bid contracts to u.s. corporations, quid pro quo financial aid (which kind of negates it being aid) via u.s. favored trade agreements, business venture rights, anti-labor regulations, and land grabs, followed by actions taken to protect american business interests at the expense of the people, or even to keep foreign ventures excluded from the competition, then you will be witnessing the same u.s. “non-interest” interest it has had in haiti for over the years now–kind of weird for the poorest country in the western hemisphere. but for now, it is about dealing with this tragedy that is beyond any destructive force of human creation, even our own secret haarp program.

  4. Ugly Canuck says:

    Yes indeed Rindan: and as others above have pointed out, the Marines have already “been there, done that” as far as Haiti is concerned with their invasion and occupation of Haiti back in the early part of the last century.

    Why cover the same ground twice, so to speak?

  5. Hools Verne says:

    Its a sad commentary that when Andrea James came here with criticism of the amount of authority we place in fields of psychology she was lambasted for focusing on anecdotes from nutcases rather than offering legitimate criticism of the field. Now Goldwag, an obviously intelligent man, employs the same strategy and everybody laps it up. More and more Boing Boing seems to be about stroking our egos and smug sense of superiority while we bow down in denial to our establishment of choice.

    Disclaimer: I don’t believe that HAARP caused the earthquake in Haiti.

  6. Anonymous says:

    Oil in Haiti. (google it) If Venezuela has a glass full, Haiti has an olympic pool…

  7. Anonymous says:

    Great post!

  8. Anonymous says:

    Haiti has Oil in them thar waters…

  9. mikewarren says:

    Couldn’t say why the US is interested in Haiti, but they sure seem to be.

  10. Spikeles says:

    If anyone is controlling the weather, it’s the Chinese, or then again, maybe it was Grazer One

  11. Anonymous says:

    “Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons.”- Michael Shemer

    Once again, Michael Shermer is the guy who wrote, “Environmental groups who cry doom and gloom to keep donations flowing only hurt their credibility. As an undergraduate in the 1970s, I learned (and believed) that by the 1990s overpopulation would lead to worldwide starvation and the exhaustion of key minerals, metals and oil, predictions that failed utterly. Politics polluted the science and made me an environmental skeptic.”

    Specifically, he was among the ranks of people who loudly and publicly insist that global warming is a fraud perpetrated by corrupt environmental scientists, until about four years ago when evangelical Christians told him global warming was real.

    Really. I am not making this up. Michael Shermer, and the species of corporate “skeptics” he represents, are not credible arbiters of the truth or falsehood of any proposition whatsoever.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-flipping-point

  12. Robbo says:

    I just can’t help comparing the response to this tragedy with the response (or lack of one) to New Orleans after Katrina.

  13. Anonymous says:

    HAITI is the poorest and unstable little island country of the Americas, the record breaking response it getting worldwide, by governments, individuals and corporations may seem out of the ordinary, but is my opinion that having the fortune of being a small enough economy, this may be the first time we as united world can make a lasting difference, yes the US, UE and UN are showing long term intentions in the rebuild and support of HAITI, but it shouldn’t be seen as an exploitation to gain control or colonize, in the US case we have plenty of strategic colonies in the Caribbean.
    As usual everybody will try to gain an angle to further their agendas. But lets not forget that our fellow brothers in HAITI are in dire need of our help.

  14. Anonymous says:

    rediculous the US Army doesnt just kill people if we could control earthquakes then y havent we used them in north korea or other places that would be feasable to use them? Because of the med training i’ve learned in the US Army I’ve saved three lives. how does that make you idiots feel?

  15. Anonymous says:

    I have digested a vast amount of conspiracy-theory in my time, and though I think there are many legitimate and interesting bits of information to be found in the field, it seems that over the last 10 or so years it has become mostly the domain of the delusional.

    Now, whenever a new major event occurs, or even a new major movie, I can predict almost exactly what the conspiracy theories about them will be. Almost invariably, HAARP is involved. HAARP is like the Death Star of conspiracy lore. It seemingly can do almost anything.

    I’m convinced that “conspiricism” is becoming like a religion to many people. Wild assertions are unswervingly believed, and all dissenters are attacked and ridiculed as the equivalent of devil worshippers.

  16. Anonymous says:

    Good grief. Samsung t-shirts? As pro-American propaganda goes, that’s pretty – er – subtle… LOL!

  17. Anonymous says:

    It’s sad to hear how naive so many American’s are about the capabilities, ill and nefarious as they may be, of our Government. I mean c’mon, the U.S. spent an estimated $41 trillion dollars or 46% of the world’s total military expenditure in 2008. What do you think such a huge percentage of money is being used for? Not just the war in Iraq, I tell you. The name of the game is research and development. In fact, the kind of technology the U.S. Govt has available as its weapons of warfare for the 21st century, are mind boggling.

    Of course, it’s in the Governments nature to have the public think that this sort of technology is science fiction or futuristic. That’s what allows them to get away with it. They want the people to stay dumbed downed. To not think the capabilities are available so that when they use their high tech weapons of destruciton, you’ll have millions of media washed regurgitaters jump on the whole, ol this is just another one of them conspiracy theories.

    Why would the U.S. use a weather manipulating weapon of mass destruction on Haiti, let’s review: Perhaps to send a nice message to Cuba, and especially, Venezuela. Both of these nations are conveniently a stone’s throw away from Haiti.

    Besides, who cares about Haiti? You know the French could give a rat’s, you know what. The strong pray on the weak. That’s a fact of humanity. Just look at our history (colonialization etc.). Do you think Haiti is going to or would be able to do anything if it turned out that the U.S. did use weather manipulating technology to tear that country apart? Of course not! Whoe are they going to run to, the UN? Let’s see what the UN would do.

    Why wouldn’t the U.S. just use HAARP on Caracas or Havana instead? Well, there are a small handful of countries in the world whom aren’t being dictated to by Washington.

    With that said, the U.S. might fool its people over and over again, but leaders of other nations know what is really going on. If the U.S. released an earthquake like that on Tehran or Caracas, these nations, having central intelligence agencies of their own, would know it. Because they, to stave off attacks such as what occurred in Haiti, have alliances, other nations in which they are aligned with would aid them to some extent. Tehran, Damascus, Caracas, Pyongyang et al., are no Port-Au-Prince. A very sticky situation would ensue.

    With organized stalking (citizen watch groups
    patrolling/spying on neighbors, spreading lies about targeted individuals, harassing them etc—Google it to find out what that’s all about) occurring in every corner of this country, it’s sad to say the illusion we are all forced fed to believe about our country—that it’s a peace loving, democracy valuing, human right upholding, equal rights for all proposing, land of the brave and of the free—is just that, an illusion!

  18. Anonymous says:

    MOSCOW. Aug 8 2002 (Interfax) – The Russian State Duma has expressed concern about the United States’ program to develop a qualitatively new type of weapon. [...]

    http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/haarp-duma.htm

  19. star35 says:

    At #16 – the death toll in Haiti is not 20,000 but 200,000 people (some reports say 500,000), which makes the comparison with Abruzzo beyond ridiculous.

    • Anonymous says:

      Also, the Abruzzo earthquake was a magnitude 6.3 quake that did not hit a major city; the Haiti earthquake was a 7.0+ quake that hit a major city (the Richter scale is logarithmic, so a 7.0 quake is 10 times stronger than a 6.0 quake). By comparison, the quake that just hit Guatemala was a 6.0, and nobody is talking about it.

  20. Anonymous says:

    I live on the Dominican republic and i felt a huge dizzynes sensation and I also felt hazed for hours after the earthquake occured and i live in santo domingo wich is relatively far from Pourt A Prince. I was working on my desk looking at the monitor of my computer and thought i was getting ill or something and then i realized when i saw people runing out the door screaming earthquake.

  21. Sam says:

    Remember in the Ocean’s 12 sequel where they caused an earth quake with that big drill? Well I heard that that wasn’t a movie at all – it was a documentary filmed in real time. Also, my cousin’s friend’s uncle’s nephew’s former dog-owner’s grandpa works for the NSA and he said they have a drill like that but it’s as big as a skyscraper. Last we heard he was driving it towards Haiti.

  22. Anonymous says:

    Lot’s of good ideas posted here but it should be pretty obvious that the Haitian earthquake was quite convenient (location and country) for the placement of additional troops close to the US. Less reported and obvious are the massing of (Chinese) troops in Panama and Mexico.. Impending US dollar crash anyone? Time will tell..

  23. johnlancia says:

    @cmky:
    Don’t be silly! Everyone knows the secret lizard people live underneath Denver International Airport and Windsor Palace.

  24. Anonymous says:

    Check out http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/06/bill-clinton-haiti-envoy_n_226616.html. And you will see why the US is so interested in Haiti.

  25. mondoreb says:

    Mr. Goldwag,

    Nice article with some helpful information. It would be more helpful if you didn’t take such a sneering, condescending tone while imparting it. I’m sure a few conspiracy theorists take their contrarian positions because they tire of being lectured to in just such a tone.

    Conspiracy theories often occur when some people try to make sense of the disconnect between what they are told and what they can see.

    More openness in both the government and media would help alleviate some–not all–conspiracy theories. Dishing out a snotty attitude with your information is unlikely to persuade even those who would otherwise be presupposed to believe you.

    Also, here a tip: politicizing your conspiracy theories (AGW, for instance) and labeling those who disagree with you as “conspiracy theorists” will guarantee that you’re not taken seriously–except by those people already inclined to believe you.

    Since this comment is mine alone, it is not part of a conspiracy. It might be a theory, however.

  26. voiceinthedistance says:

    It’s painfully obvious. We are there for the Major League Baseball players. With the price of decent players from the Dominican Republic skyrocketing, something had to be done. Haitians are hard to distinguish from Dominicans, and a steady supply of them could save us a bundle. A couple of team salaries, calculated over the course of a few years . . . you do the math!

  27. KanedaJones says:

    someone here mentioned the weather dominator off of old episodes of GI Joe – well it gets even better.

    To make their most recent attempt at a cartoon more realistic, they had death by stabbing, beheadings, nuclear bombs..

    and oh ya, the ionosphere over heated with HAARP – really, they even called it HAARP.

    I would call that a sign it is way too cliche for real world consideration

  28. Anonymous says:

    “Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons.”- Michael Shemer

  29. wil9000 says:

    “The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time.” is Fitzgerald? I thought that was one of the definitions of Schizophrenia. Which I guess applies pretty well to conspiracy types. Deep down, some of them must know that what they are saying is complete and utter BS, but they have to stay committed to it, or they’ll look like idiots. Hell, if we brought them to the moon personally, they’d still feel they had to deny it. Sigh.

    • theredballoon says:

      “The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time.” I believe that is from 1984 by George Orwell not Fitzgerald.

      • Arthur Goldwag says:

        “The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function” is the complete quote. It’s from The Crack-Up.

        • paedagogus says:

          Do you really “often” find yourself quoting F. Scott Fitzgerald?

          After reading this entire yarn and thread, I couldn’t help but be reminded of something Kurt Eichenwald said:

          “The biggest problem in American journalism is not bias. It’s not a matter of conservative or liberal. It’s laziness. Some go and collect a lot of quotes and put them together and never attempt to determine whose opinion is driven by fact and knowledge.”

          Given the general tone of your bias, it is not surprising that you make little to no mention of any relevant facts.

          Like the fact that the United Nations “Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques” was entered into force 5-Oct-1978.

          The fact that Article II from that very treaty states:

          …”the term “environmental modification techniques” refers to any technique for changing — through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes — the dynamics, composition or structure of the Earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, or of outer space.”

          The fact that the original 1986 ARCO North Slope Gas Development Roadmap — yes HAARP was actually just a way for Atlantic Richfield Company to sell the Department of Defense a whole lot of natural gas — included such benign applications as “Anti Satellite Weapon, Van Allen Belt Drainage, Nuclear Weapons Effects Simulation, Atmospheric Modifications, Weather Modification, and Environmental Modification” to name a few.

          The fact that notable weapons manufacturers Raytheon and BAE Systems have been intimately involved in the phased construction and operations from the very beginning of the project.

          The fact that both weather modification and natural disaster have been touted with increasing regularity by the Department of Defense as strategic “force multipliers” on the battlefields of the 21st century.

          Mr. Goldwag, you also state in a reply to a comment:

          “But an earthquake machine is sheer fantasy–like antigravity and time travel.”

          Sheer fantasy, you say?

          Then-Secretary of Defense Bill Cohen in 1997 at a counterterrorism conference said:

          “Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves… So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations… It’s real, and that’s the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that’s why this is so important.”

          You say it’s “sheer fantasy” and a United States Secretary of Defense publicly acknowledges that “It’s real” over a decade ago. Who is a first-rate intelligence holding two opposed ideas in mind to believe?

          Anyone genuinely interested in informing themselves about this subject might research “scalar interferometry” and “longitudinal EM wave technology” for more information. Both sciences are over 100 years old, and there is ample data available to formulate an educated position on the matter.

  30. Anonymous says:

    What is wrong with them… Danny Glover clearly explained that global warming caused the earthquake in Haiti!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ft5JkNWJA

  31. cymk says:

    Of course americans don’t care about earth quakes in italy, nor do americans care about earthquakes in pretty much any country on the other side of the planet (save for small poor-ish countries that have resort towns). Haiti on the other hand is close enough for americans to care, yet far enough away to be exotic (not to mention a resort town).

    If you really want to blame someone for the 24 hr, non stop Haiti coverage, blame the news networks who want ratings. Covering a war no one likes doesn’t garner ratings. Covering the crippling poor doesn’t garner ratings. Covering the things that really matter don’t seem to garner ratings (for some reason), the only thing that gets ratings are death and violence.

    Is it possible HAARP is controlling the weather, and there are a bunch of lizard men in a cave ruling the world via mind control? Sure, but it isn’t likely.

  32. Anonymous says:

    When I saw the headline, I was wondering how a gun on the Barbados could cause an earthquake in Hati 50 years after its last shot. But then I realized it was HAARP, not HARP.

  33. dculberson says:

    This kind of stuff drives me crazy. It was really seductive as a kid, but then I did the unthinkable: grew up and realized it’s a bunch of people ignoring facts and making up shit as they go along. The waste of intellect and ability is astounding.

    I love this quote:

    “even the US army is there, allegedly distributing water, food, end medicine. Since when is that kind of help the army’s job ??”

    Uhh, since there was a US army ??

  34. Anonymous says:

    HAARP instrument readings from the day before the Haiti earthquake. – Google this. I don’t label myself with the term conspiracy theorist, because it contains too much baggage, but its a circle I keep abreast of, as often they do dig up legitimate data that won’t make it to the front page of Fox or CNN, or even here.

    I’m not implying anything, just providing relevant data.

    Ciao ~~ :D

  35. Stefan Jones says:

    Oh, for CRIPES sake!

    People in pretty much every goddamn corner of the developing world has clean, colorful, T-shirts with English writing and corporate logos.

    Why? Because old clothing donated to charities gets packed into compressed bundles, stuck in the holds of ships, and shipped to developing countries. An “old” logo shirt or a pair of jogging shorts costs a quarter.

  36. Anonymous says:

    Who needs a HAARP when a HAARP can be broken
    Woa-oh-oh..

  37. Ugly Canuck says:

    Some say the US has had the secret power to trigger earthquakes for some time now…

    http://cryptome.org/0001/usa-disasters.htm

    But I can’t say that I’m a buyer at these prices.

  38. Saskplanner says:

    Wow. Now I’m officially scared, especially reading the comment from the guy in Edmonton. I’m from there and I didn’t notice the clouds were any different than any other day/season/month. Maybe his medications are making them look that way….

    The other thing I’d like to note. Anytime I see comments on the ‘net by ‘conspiracy theorists’ or the right-wing or people with fundamentalist religious beliefs I also see HUGE spelling, punctuation and logic errors in what they write. Insert my conspiracy theory here – these people are APPRECIABLY dumber than the norm and have been manipulated to be this dumb.

  39. philipb says:

    Stefan : exactly & that’s why many of them say “Phillies, World Champions 2009″ or similar sporting fiction.

  40. tlen0117 says:

    your article is such bs. you think just because You don’t believe it makes it true? everyone with an ability to google knows that weather modification is real–china is well known for using it. and even bill gates has recommended weather modification to curb the hoax that is global warming.

    http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/11/china-leads-wea/

    and former secretary of defense william cohen has admitted the capability to create man-made earthquakes

    here’s the transscript directly from the department of defense:

    http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674

    and here’s cohen’s quote:
    A: “Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we’ve learned in the intelligence community, we had something called — and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

    So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It’s real, and that’s the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that’s why this is so important.”

  41. ManRat says:

    No such thing as real estate not worth owning or controlling. The old adage on real estate applies, “they aren’t making any more of it”. As for the quake being man made I think I’m out on that one though always remember Einsteins quote “if you think it’s possible you’re almost certainly right, and if you think it’s impossible you’re almost certainly wrong”. The core issues here are whether the U.S. aid to Haiti and, particularlly, a U.S. Military presence there is strictly humanitarian and will cease when the job is done or is it the first step in the “conquest” of Haiti. We’ll have to wait and see what happens. Didn’t someone in Government make the statement “never let a good crisis go to waste”.

    • Chupacabara says:

      “No such thing as real estate not worth owning or controlling.”

      You have obviously never been to San Bernadino, or, as it is more affectionately known… “The valley of the dirt people.”

      • ManRat says:

        Though “San Brownardino” may not be Beverly Hills there’s still commerce there and real estate is bought and sold on a regular basis. Ghettos abound in all our large cities but they are just a small part of the overall picture of the U.S. I’m not saying the U.S. has any goal other than aiding in the disaster relief effort, just stating that the place is not worthless. Decades of corruption, mismanagement, and an almost total lack of education have made it the armpit of the Caribbean. It’s said that the average wage in Haiti is $2.00 a day. This would make it a source of extremely cheap labor. Install firm Governmental control and build the factories. Once again, I’m not predicting anything in this situation but the time is ripe for the U.S., or any other Nation(s), to exploit the labor pool. The Globalist Corporations and the Haition people would both benefit from such a strategy. I don’t believe cleaning up the bodies, removing the rubble, treating the injured, and seeing that there’s some food for everyone will be the end of the International effort there. We’ll see what happens.

  42. Anonymous says:

    As far as I know, there is nobody who wondered as I wonder and write a response of such a wonder. I am sure this will interest most readers.

    This is my first wonder. It is a wonder that not many people even notice since the Taiwan earthquake back in 1998 (if I am not mistaken) which temporarily put a good number of electronics products plants in that land out of business and caused a skyrocketing price-hike in some electronics products. There were abnormal shakes with a certain frequency, say (XXX numbers in 1 minute) and has a repetitive cycle. I don’t easily buy the idea that those were ‘after-shocks’. Hear me out. Just read on.

    I remembered in the Honshu quake (months after the Sichuan quake), Japanese youths were actually thrilled by the ‘shakes’ and started to take to the streets to dance. This ‘euphoria’ was revealed by reporters who happened to ask what were these youths so elated about to be linked to ‘discotheque-like shake’ (ala repetitive cycles and frequencies). As a scientist I know that certain LF (Low Frequency) waves (sound or electromagnetic) modulated with microwaves can cause trance-like euphoria. ELF (extremely Low Frequency) waves are the characteristic of earthquakes. The repetitive shakes that follow the highest (peak) shake are often LF and when these LF cause euphoria, I can safely bet that these ‘shakes’ are not natural, but point to a generated source.

    Now comes along this recent wonder again with the recent Haiti quake. A certain Youtube video of the shake (apparently from a recordings of a cctv) showed that the quake at Haiti was akin to a rocking motion. Is this coincidence. I am not imagining things.

    ‘Repetitive shakes’ are explained as ‘after-shocks’ by some seismologists. But you don’t need a seismology degree to immediately question: Since when have earthquakes taken up a new modus operandi of dishing out discotheque-like shakes.

    Okay, let’s leave the disco-like ‘after-shocks’ aside. Let’s now look at a bigger wonder.

    Were there ‘aftershocks’ in Haiti. Did I miss anything here? Did the neighbouring countries experience any problem of ‘shakened’ buildings, ‘shakened public’? Did I miss anything here?

    The extent of the Haiti quake and its ‘localized’ quake gives me the creeps.

    THE ABOVE DISCUSSION definitely points to some phenomena which have signs of not being natural (random) but deterministic (can be controlled):

    1) Repetitive shocks
    2) Localized quakes
    3) Quakes which can be propagated to a wide region

    I am trained in the sciences and my mind is not rusty yet. I definitely understand that depending on the ground vibrations at which depth of the Earth, the ancillary devastation in the vicinity of the epi-center will be either ‘localised’ or wide. But looking at the extent of damage in Haiti, I spare myself the stupidity to allude the damage to poorly constructed buildings, non-earthquake proof structures, etc.

    By the looks of the Haiti and the extent of damage (and the lack of alarm in Cuba and the vicinity areas), I have a strange feeling that the quake was coming not from the ground, but from the sky. I am neither joking nor have been under the weather for too long.

    An independent and objective look at the Haiti incident points to a certain force which came from the sky and hit Haiti such that there were no ‘after shocks’ and the neighbouring lands are not affected. No tidal wave, no nothing. PURE DIRECTIONAL HIT.

    I am pointing this out because HAARP’s potential as a tomography device (a subterranean scanning device) involves penetrating subterranean regions with microwaves which modulate waveforms (electromagnetic and sound) of various bandwidths.

    What changes the HAARP from being a tomography device to a destructive device is all in (among other conditions) the energy (POWER WATTAGE), and the strategic waveforms the microwaves are carrying.

    1) To cause immense tidal wave the microwaves has to penetrate the tectonic bedrock.
    2) To cause extensive regional damage, the microwaves have to penetrate fault lines.
    3) To weaken above ground buildings and structures, the microwaves have to penetrate what is called subterranean water entrapments so that resonances created by the water will produce ‘after-shocks’.
    4) To cause localized damage, the microwave is programmed to have just enough power to be absorbed by buildings and structures for its own destruction, in what is called ‘epidermal destruction’.

    – IlDevos –

    • Anonymous says:

      muy interesante cuanto ha expuesto pero si berdaderamente la ciencia es lo que le lleva a explicar tal fenomeno, porque ha de ser usted anonimo…………?

    • Arthur Goldwag says:

      For what it’s worth, a post called 13 Reasons to Suspect Haarp Caused Haiti Quake has been making the rounds of the Internet since I first drafted this post. You can find it at http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message965951/pg1

      In contradistinction to Anonymous #70, who finds it highly suspicious that there were no after shocks (“an independent and objective look at the Haiti incident points to a certain force which came from the sky and hit Haiti such that there were no ‘after shocks’ and the neighbouring lands are not affected”),the 13 Reasons poster focuses at least 1/13th of his suspicions on the “excessive number of 5.0 aftershocks. This is highly unusual and may indicate the superheated ground could not cool off quickly. Scalar waves which are generated off of EM waves can accomplish this.”

  43. MikeMoore says:

    I think I threw up a little in my mouth upon reading this.

  44. soulbarn says:

    Actually, it was a combination of their devil worship and our conspiracy. We used a satellite to listen to all of their voodoo rituals, which – intercepted – were beamed back via microwave. This awakened the sleeping monster Telesdon, who’d been put in suspended animation beneath the Caribbean by UltraMan; when he stretched his scaly arms and yawned, the earth shook.

    Mission accomplished!

  45. lesbianjesus says:

    #1, It’s kind of silly to think someone caused the disaster.

    But if you read “The Shock Doctrine” and learn about the economics of disaster capitalism, you can see that there is an infrastructure in place that cannot resist exploitation.

  46. Anonymous says:

    Comparing this earthquake to the one in italy is a terrible comparison — they’re saying the death toll may reach 20,000 — the one in Italy was 250 people.

    That’s like comparing 9/11 to a train derailment in russia. Totally different orders of magnitude.

  47. Anonymous says:

    The idea that the United States would want to stay in Haiti is ridiculous. What do they have to gain from being staying in one of the poorest nations in the carribean (GDP $8.5 billion), Goldman Sachs easily doubled that nations GDP in one quarter. Conspiracy theorists need to do much more independent research rather than look for fake and frankly stupid theories that don’t even make sense once they are published. It’s sad that they waste so much of their lives on crackpot theories when they could be studying matter and the universe and follow people who are intelligent like Carl Sagan (RIP) and Stephen Hawking.

  48. dougrogers says:

    About that sporting fiction: American sports teams which have the chance to win the final game, and be the champions have a short window to sell gear celebrating the win. Both teams print up millions of dollars worth of t-shirts and caps. But one of those teams loses. What to do with the leftover now useless swag? Why, now it’s a tax deductible charitable donation!

  49. VagabondAstronomer says:

    @#60
    “The interest is not in Haiti. The interest is in the military base it provides and its proximity to Venezuela.”
    It’s called the Carribean and a carrier battle group… you may have heard of them.

    • VagabondAstronomer says:

      …okay, that was simplistic, and I admit it. But building any kind of base in Haiti is simply out of the question. Beyond costs, it could never truly be kept secret, and the lack of existing infrastructure rules it out. Next…

      • ManRat says:

        Why would it need to be secret? And the Government has never had a problem with the costs of doing their business. Plus, it all depends on whether it’s a humanitarian effort or a “takeover”. We’ll see what happens.

  50. Anonymous says:

    Ahhh.. you had to mention Mr Limbaugh in all of this.

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  51. Dig Deeper and U will See and Understand says:

    I dont know if the did, I know they can, and I know they would.

    Haiti should have never beat Napoleon’s French army and subsequent attacks from the Great Britian and Spain and won their freedom in 1805.

    They have been paying the price for it ever since.

    Haiti has not been in control of its country ever since.

    The US and France controls what goes on in Haiti so this earthquake is not a suprise.

  52. sirkowski says:

    My first thought when I hear these conspiracy theories is, “what would be so bad about that?”

    What would be so bad about a one world government?
    If KFC really ingeneered headless chickens, isn’t that less cruel to the animals?
    I bet the United States would already have universal healthcare under a zionist occupied government.
    The media is inducing mass hysteria about H1N1? Good, vaccines are important and people should feel the need for them.
    Even the New World Order’s plan for population reduction, depending on how it’s implemented, would reduce pollution a lot.

    • limepies says:

      re: What would be so bad about a one world government?

      my number one issue with that idea is that it would be impossible to opt out. you don’t like the way the government is running things? you don’t like the healthcare/”democratic” system/capitalist system/lack of funding for arts/education/hospitals/etc etc etc? too bad, you can’t move to another country, you have to stick it out with this.

      lame.

      • sirkowski says:

        “my number one issue with [a one world govmnt] is that it would be impossible to opt out.”

        Then the oppressed have no other choices than to fight or die. Winning conditions for Sun Tzu.

  53. Anonymous says:

    theres no resource in Haiti except starving humans who no one cares much about… maybe the giant jewish satanic communist illuminati reptiles have run out of tasty baby-snacks in the Bohemian grove?
    /toungue-in-cheek

  54. gollux says:

    Don’t worry, when the Pacific Northwest subduction zone cuts loose, we can blame devil worshiping HAARP induced natural disaster to prove that God hates the left coast and the Pentagon as his destructive fist of disaster has been commanded to bring the wrath of an angry and vengeful god upon US citizens as a warning to all Rush Limbaugh dittoheads with less than 1/32 African blood running through their veins to embrace Pat Robertson’s long snakey tail and give his glowing red behind a kiss.

  55. Anonymous says:

    While many of you are arguing that there is no conceivable motive behind bolstering a US presence in Haiti and the surrounding region, You must remember the very basic profits and gains behind any crisis. Whether or not their is a conspiracy behind the quakes in Haiti seems to be irrelevant when you step back and realise that this will certainly lead to yet another example of “disaster capitalism,” I.E. using a crisis to implement otherwise unwanted and undesirable economic/political policies.

    Sure, Haiti is no prize to the US government, and with millions being poured into aid, will probably further sink the already drowning US governmental debt. But step back and realize where all that money is going to; where it always gos to, and that is right into the pockets of big business.

    Conspiracy or no conspiracy? : Completely inconsequential when you look at who profits afterwards… And that is in any case; Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, Pinoche-in Chile, 9/11, Katrina, 2008 Financial Crash, and now this… the list goes on and on.

    Conspiracies may finally cease when we stop finding ways to profit from disaster. Till then, we have no choice but to speculate..

  56. Mark Temporis says:

    How’s this? The earthquake was caused at the behest of a US-friendly Haitian druglord/warlord and former Tontons Macoute, who intends to employ a voudoun ritual to raise up all 200,000+++ killed as mindless zombie hordes, which will be used to provide cheap hordes to station in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    How was that? Too grammatically correct? Not enough random caps?

  57. Anonymous says:

    I agree with Saskplanner. Anytime I read this sort of stuff and see it filled with elementary-level spelling and grammar errors, I just can’t take it seriously.

    If a person couldn’t be bothered to learn how to spell on a 4th grade level, why should anyone be interested in the product of that person’s critical thinking skills?

  58. Anonymous says:

    Believe this or not but Haiti has Oil and over 6 gold deposits and bunch of other njatural resources which were discovered since the 1950s. Any haitian government that even talk about seriously wanting to nationalize the resources and use it for the betterment of the people is quickly overthrown. the last leader to create a map with haiti resources was practically kidnap by the US govt. so there is a reason behind the constant political upheaval.I don’t know about HAARP causing the quake in Haiti but i do know that Haiti is rich in natural resources like o the US, France, Canada intentions is not always pure. Haiti is the poorest in the western hemisphere because of its income and debt ratio. Haiti has kept from drilling it oil because they are declared as deposits strategic reserves of the United States of America. to imagine if we were allowed to drill and export our oil? as a haitian it hurts to know that the whole world see my beloved country as a shit hole when it doesn’t have to be

    Read article below
    ***********************
    Haiti is full of oil, say Ginette and Daniel Mathurin, [French Original], Radio Metropole, Jan 28, 2008

    Scientists and Ginette Daniel Mathurin indicate that under Haitian soil is rich in oil and fuel fossible have already been listed by foreign specialists and Haiti. “We have identified 20 sites Oil, ‘Daniel Mathurin stating that 5 of them are considered of great importance by specialists and politicians.

    The Central Plateau, including the region of Thomonde, the plain of the cul-de-sac and the bay of Port-au-Prince are full of hydrocarbons, “he said adding that the oil reserves of Haiti are more important than those of Venezuela . “An Olympic pool compared to a glass of water that is the comparison to illustrate the importance of oil Haitian compared with those of Venezuela,” he explains.

    Venezuela is one of the world’s largest producers of oil.

    Daniel Mathurin investigations revealed that several previous governments have made it possible to verify the existence of these important oilfields. He recalls that a document of the Fanmi Lavalas party to power in 2004, had specified the numerous sites of oil in Haiti.

    According to Daniel and Ginette Mathurin, the Lake District, with cities like Thomazeau and Cornillon, contains important oilfields.

    Asked about the non-operation of those sites, Ginette Mathurin said that these deposits are declared strategic reserves of the United States of America. While citing his imcompréhension of such a situation, remember that the Caribbean is seen as the back yard of the United States.

    But Daniel Mathurin And Ginette indicate that the American government had in 2005 authorized the use of strategic reserves of the United States. The door should be used by politicians to launch Haitian négiciations with American companies in the context of the exploitation of these deposits adds Daniel Mathurin.

    The specialists contend that the government of Jean Claude Duvalier had verified the existence of a major oil field in the Bay of Port-au-Prince shortly before his downfall.

    In addition, Daniel and Ginette Mathurin reveal that the Uranium 238 and 235 and the deposit zyconium exist in several regions including in Jacmel. The uranium is used in nuclear reactors for the production of electric energy.

  59. chefsam says:

    If I don’t believe in the tooth fairy, am I a sheeple?

  60. Anonymous says:

    Has anyone considered the fact that HAARP might ultimately trigger the eruption of the super volcano in Yellowstone National Park, which would wipe out the majority of the U.S.? She’s a rumblin, don’t be so naive people, check it out for yourself. Lets do something about the U.S. before its too late, nuclear weapons are a thing of the past.

  61. chip says:

    @ Theories regarding America establishing a permanent “presence” in Haiti

    To what purpose? They have no money and no natural resources. They pose no terrorist threat (not even an imagined one). Their proximity to Cuba might be argued as stratigraphic important, if only Florida weren’t just as close and we didn’t already have a military base ON Cuba itself.

    I can’t even think of a BAD reason to want to stay in Haiti, let alone a good one. This earthquake-as-an-excuse-to-take-over theory fails on every single front.

    • lewis stoole says:

      maybe we just can’t see the reason. i think the ultimate conspiracy theorist, donald rumsfield, would describe it as the known “knowns”, the known “unknowns”, and the unknown “unknowns”. there is u.s. interest in haiti, just as there always has been with other poor agrarian countries of the western hemisphere that an every day american would wonder, “for what purpose”, as it has been since the days of teddy; and yet, there we keep going feeding the war machine with quarters.

  62. Anonymous says:

    Wow. Arthur, you sure opened up a bucket of crazy. (hey folks, if I have to choose between critical thought and an “open mind”, I’ll take rationalism every time)

    Aside from the conspiristas, I’m shocked at the amount of cynicism about Haiti. Look, it’s a big deal because an already terribly poor country has had its infrastructure and government completely destroyed. The news networks, flawed and awful as they may be, are covering it because it’s an unparalleled catastrophe.

  63. Anonymous says:

    http://gizmodo.com/5145031/massive-hydroelectric-dams-could-have-caused-the-sichuan-earthquake

    I may be a naive, but there is no perceivable reason why anyone would need to cause an earthquake in Haiti. Haiti has no strategic military value at all. I mean really folks. A nation that has the capability to cause massive, devastating earthquakes from half way around the globe needs to secure the island of Haiti for their agenda of global domination. I don’t really know what to say. One trident class submarine is worth more than 100 islands like Haiti. Not to mention a Gerald R. Ford class supercarrier.

  64. Anonymous says:

    The US has a HAARP location in Puerto Rico as reported by national geographic on weather modification.

  65. Anonymous says:

    I mean really folks. A nation that has the capability to cause massive, devastating earthquakes from half way around the globe needs to secure the island of Haiti for their agenda of global domination.”

    I agree with you 100%. If the US is so powerful why don’t they attack a country that has much more valuable resources???
    Also quoting wikipedia is not really a good resource. It can be EDITED at will. It has had incorrect information on it in the past.
    @104 who cliams the US made Dominican Republic sooo much more pleasant. hahaha The french colonized Haiti and Spain colonized Dominican Republic so if anything the Spanish made Dominican Republic more pleasant than the French were able to in their colony.
    Most of the resorts and pleasant things in Dominican Republic are owned by landowners not the government of the United States so you can thank rich people who saw an opportunity and invested in property for the pleasantry not the US. When a nation is unstable people are less likely to buy property in it’s land because tourism is unlikely since people are afraid to visit and they would not make a profit. It’s Hait’s instabiliuty that made it less likely to have resorts and hotels built on it not a massive conspiracy. This is basically good buisness sense.

  66. Anonymous says:

    Re: long-term presence in Haiti.

    Uh, the US has already been involved in Haiti, and Haitian politics, for a long, long time. That’s nothing new, nor is this disaster the first time US troops have walked the streets of Port Au Prince. Conspiracy theorists would do better to learn a little history and to do a bit more research before squawking about this, that and the other thing.

  67. igpajo says:

    Let’s not forget that HAARP was resposible for the the Rainbow conspiracy of 2006!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8

  68. vjinterkosmos says:

    Sarcastic and elitist, check.

    #77: makes sense. Compared to the sinkhole of ’09 dip, buying 20 kilos of rice and tuna and setting up a minor USMC live-fire training course in the Caribbean is pretty much the proverbial drop in an ocean.

    On the other hand, it also a good semi-dry run for The Other Caribbean Island, and a good dumping ground for any agro surplus. (“Pa, dis say dis shit no good afta Jan/04!” “Shuddup n eat unless u can lo-cate a macdonnels round ere.” “Yea pa.”)

    On the gripping hand, the entire earthquake business is just adding an insult to the injury. Check up Jared Diamond’s treatise on the environmental history of Hispaniola in “Collapse”.

  69. Anonymous says:

    The World is coming to an end so anything is possible. Man kind is always trying to find way to be superior. They don’t realize that god is more powerful than you can even imagine.

  70. Noodlegrood says:

    Jeez, old hat. I remember back in my youth, the GI JOE gang on the 80′s cartoon battled COBRA over the the so called “Weather Dominator.” In the real world, the JOE’s have it and have just been testing it out. No big deal.

  71. Anonymous says:

    Military weapons projects collect funds and last only if they can be improved. Conspiracy is such a wrong word to describe the primary instinct of the human being called Supremacy. Demography has become way more alarmant than global warming and we are far from colonizing another planet… guess what?

  72. bazzargh says:

    So, did they research this theory by watching GI Joe: Resolution?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiajanlGvmE#t=1m23s

    …or from Steven Seagal’s documentary, ‘Under Siege 2: Dark Territory’? I can’t think why Cobra Commander would attack Haiti, so I’m going with the latter.

  73. Anonymous says:

    European Parliament:

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+REPORT+A4-1999-0005+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN

    ”HAARP – a weapons system which disrupts the climate”

    On 5 February 1998 Parliament’s Subcommittee on Security and Disarmament held a hearing the subject of which included HAARP. NATO and the US had been invited to send
    representatives, but chose not to do so. The Committee regrets the failure of the USA to send a representative to answer questions, or to use the opportunity to comment on the material submitted.(21)

    HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project) is run jointly by the US Air Force and Navy, in conjunction with the Geophysical Institute of the University of Alaska, Fairbanks. Similar experiments are also being conducted in Norway, probably in the Antarctic, as well as in the former Soviet Union.(22) HAARP is a research project using a ground based apparatus, an array of antennae each powered by its own transmitter, to heat up portions of ionosphere with powerful radio beams.(23) The energy generated heats up parts of the ionosphere; this results in holes in the ionosphere and produces artificial ‘lenses’.

    HAARP can be used for many purposes. Enormous quantities of energy can be controlled by manipulating the electrical characteristics of the atmosphere. If used as a military weapon this can have a devastating impact on an enemy. HAARP can deliver millions of times more energy to a given area than any other conventional transmitter. The energy can also be aimed at a moving target which should constitute a potential anti-missile system.

    The project would also allow better communications with submarines and manipulation of global weather patterns, but it is also possible to do the reverse, to disrupt communications. By manipulating the ionosphere one could block global communications while transmitting one’s own. Another application is earth-penetrating, tomography, x-raying the earth several kilometres deep, to detect oil and gas fields, or underground military facilities. Over-the-horizon radar is another application, looking round the curvature of the earth for in-coming objects.

    From the 1950s the USA conducted explosions of nuclear material in the Van Allen Belts(24) to investigate the effect of the electro-magnetic pulse generated by nuclear weapon explosions at these heights on radio communications and the operation of radar. This created new magnetic radiation belts which covered nearly the whole earth. The electrons travelled along magnetic lines of force and created an artificial Aurora Borealis above the North Pole. These military tests are liable to disrupt the Van Allen belt for a long period. The
    earth’s magnetic field could be disrupted over large areas, which would obstruct radio communications. According to US scientists it could take hundreds of years for the Van Allen belt to return to normal. HAARP could result in changes in weather patterns. It could also influence whole ecosystems, especially in the sensitive Antarctic regions.

    Another damaging consequence of HAARP is the occurrence of holes in the ionosphere caused by the powerful radio beams. The ionosphere protects us from incoming cosmic
    radiation. The hope is that the holes will fill again, but our experience of change in the ozone layer points in the other direction. This means substantial holes in the ionosphere that protects us.

    With its far-reaching impact on the environment HAARP is a matter of global concern and we have to ask whether its advantages really outweigh the risks. The environmental impact and the ethical aspect must be closely examined before any further research and testing takes place. HAARP is a project of which the public is almost completely unaware, and this needs to be remedied.

    HAARP has links with 50 years of intensive space research for military purposes, including the Star Wars project, to control the upper atmosphere and communications. This kind of research has to be regarded as a serious threat to the environment, with an incalculable impact on human life. Even now nobody knows what impact HAARP may have. We have to beat down the wall of secrecy around military research, and set up the right to openness and democratic scrutiny of military research projects, and parliamentary control.

    A series of international treaties and conventions (the Convention on the prohibition of military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques, the Antarctic Treaty, the Treaty on principles governing the activities of states in the exploration and use of outer space including the moon and other celestial bodies, and the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea) casts considerable doubt on HAARP on legal as well as humanitarian and political grounds. The Antarctic Treaty lays down that the Antarctic may be used exclusively for
    peaceful purposes.(25) This would mean that HAARP is a breach of international law. All the implications of the new weapons systems should be examined by independent
    international bodies. Further international agreements should be sought to protect the environment from unnecessary destruction in war.

    http://tinyurl.com/ycvrkx6

  74. Funkat says:

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  75. Anonymous says:

    I think it’s entirely convenient for the US and “mysterious” that roads in Haiti are messed up and that hospitals are destroyed, as well as schools. Every lifeline where they can help themselves has been severed, other than closed stores where the unassisted Haitians can get needed sustenance, then the media can conveniently call them “looters.”

  76. Ugly Canuck says:

    Perhaps this is just step one of their ridiculously convoluted plan?

  77. danegeld says:

    My speculation is that HAARP was founded to research how to communicate by radio during a nuclear war.

    e.g. If a nuke is detonated in space or in the atmosphere, it’ll ionize the air and create a plasma that interferes with radio communications.

    Radio communications rely on being able to reflect signals off (or transmit signals through) the ionosphere in a predictable way.

    HAARP probably doesn’t address the most interesting scientific questions that could be answered for the sums of money being spent, but perhaps there’s a budget assigned to nuclear research that HAARP taps into, and hence it takes place anyway?

    HAARP doesn’t do much in the way of P.R. or publishing it’s results, but it still exists and someone must be interested in what it’s doing.

    It’s not searching for black holes like LIGO, or the Higgs boson like CERN. It’s likely working out how to command submarines to launch a retaliatory strike, and there’s no good way to spin that.

  78. Marchhare says:

    San Bernardino FTW.

    Though it’s the entire Inland Empire that is “Valley of the Dirt People.”

    Origin of McDonalds, and the Hell’s Angels, as well as being the county seat of the meth capital of the world.

    Maybe when they flood part of the downtown it’ll get better.

  79. Anonymous says:

    kinda disappointing this knee-jerk conspiracy theory bashing here. im glad there are minds that question and speculate. is it necessary to condemn vs just tolerate it?

    anyway that aside, everyone focuses on physical tangible motives for occupation, vs something possibly even more valuable right now: improving image of US and president overseas, as well as creating some giant philantrophic diversion for a disgruntled US population. and as it does seem to have strategic military location, the effort must be double justified.

  80. Anonymous says:

    Hello,time will tell.All those conspiracy theories and religious comments I read everywhere on the web are getting annoying.I decided to wait and see…I believe there was an earthquake and a real big one.I have lived there for a year and a half and some shaking was felt at times.Buildings are so poorly made,we heard all the time about houses falling on families.I know because we were there working building a few bridges with cement and the cement they use to build houses is really not dense enough.It was just natural,no weapons,aliens or God.I am just tired of reading stuff that tries to mystify everything.Please,before trying to solve mysteries,get info before writing anything about such a dramatic event and it doesn’t help at all.

  81. Anonymous says:

    Maybe HAARP deleted sets of data just to fuel the conspiracy theorists… probably to distract against whatever their real objective is

    http://www.disinfo.com/2010/02/haarp-deleted-its-records-from-the-day-before-the-haiti-earthquake/

  82. Anonymous says:

    Just to set the Limbaugh comment straight, Limbaugh was referencing Harry Reid’s Obama comment.

  83. Anonymous says:

    In and around 2007 it was discovered that much gold & oil were lying under the ground in Haiti… Look it up. Now with gold hovering around 1200 dollars an ounce and a need to find a new source of oil.

  84. Anonymous says:

    Haarp is very powerful and has a lot of potential to be used as a terrible weapon. I’m lazy right now, but if you look up the man that put his brain behind it he had intentions of good (drought relief,etc) but really, it’s worthy to look into.

    It’s a shame that people crazy with conspiracy tarnish the reputation of those that are rightfully asking questions with concerns.

  85. therling says:

    T-Shirts with sports logos or other such “American” messages are a common sight in such places because often they’re made in local sweatshops in Central American and the Caribbean. Check the label on the one you’re wearing, it might likely say “Made in El Salvador.”

  86. Anonymous says:

    Thank you hools verne! I am refreshed to see the blog has some people who are not dumb. Most of Haitian Professionals working in the US and accross the world began their study in Haiti. They are medical doctors,researchers,professors,scholars,Business people,political leaders etc. They are are not a bunch of cavemen living in a forest,but they are honest citizens whose sin is finding their joy in helping others. Ask Chile, Bolivia,Equador,Peru,Venezuela,Colombia, even Dominican Republic. They will tell you thousands of haitian soldiers and money given by president Alexandre Petion helped Simon Bolivar and Miranda to win their independence of their countries from Spain.It was a strategic move to consolidate american latine freedom because our leaders thought our safety against colonization was to free these neighbor countries from their colonists upset about Haiti Independence.France gave up Louisiana and other colonies because of the lost of colonies inflicted by haiti in 1803. At least go to wikipedia.org and you will find famous haitians who have their prints in canadian,american and other world societies. For the bloggers who are talking more than thinking, please have some research done

  87. AnarChan says:

    One of the most frustrating things an open mind endures is the endless bickering from people who make blatant rhetorical errors such as ad hominem, excluded middle, etc.

    How many of you know that the ionosphere is plasma? How many of you understands what happens to the plasma when HAARP bombards it? How many of you realize the relative intensity of HAARP’s bombardment compared with the Sun’s?

    I’m not a scientist, and I don’t know everything there is to know about plasma, the ionosphere, HAARP, and a whole slew of other things.

    There are quotes from US Military Generals from a couple decades ago who explicitly mention weather manipulation (including seismic stimulation) as an aspect of warfare in the near future. Likewise from Russians re: their version of HAARP, aka Sura.

    Weather manipulation–including seismic activity–are explicit objectives of the military, both ours and Russia’s. Sura’s been around since ’72 and HAARP since ’84 (going from memory here and too lazy to stop and verify).

    So what I’d like to say, in closing, is this: stop the arrogant speculation about why we might want to take over Haiti. If HAARP/Sura are responsible (and I’m not saying they are, I’m saying *IF*), Haiti could’ve been nothing more than practice: poor country, few people, politically speaking, no more significant than ”collateral damage”.

    Oh, guess I shouldn’t have said ”in closing” because there’s another point to consider: why has Gitmo been prepared with tents to ‘accomodate’ and people who try to leave Haiti? Why not just let them leave in timed transport from the area? It’s an interesting question, at least to me. Normally, when there’s such devastation, an evacuation is the m.o. So why are we intent on allowing no one to leave, and if they *do* try to leave, why are we keeping them in Gitmo (yes, I know it’s the ‘other side’ of the facility; regardless, the question stands: why Gitmo for people who wish to leave the area?)?

    Think about the possibility of precedent. Think about the possibility of agenda. Think about the possibility of error.

    For that matter… just f’ing think outside the box. Think. Really think. I mean really, Really, REALLY think!!!

  88. El_Cid says:

    What? You mean I can’t do high level research on the possibilities of weather modification by looking out in my yard and thinking the clouds look weird? I’d have to do, like, real science and shit? Screw that!

  89. spellgage says:

    Mr. Goldwag obviously does not really listen to the Rush Limbaugh program. The “light-skinned negro” comment is a continuing dig at Senator Harry Reid’s racial insensitivity. Of course, in an post where there’s really no reason to inject political partisanship, trolling out Mr. Limbaugh is a convenient way for Mr. Goldwag to get a cheap dig in at “stupid,” “racist” conservatives.

    • Talia says:

      Because of course, Limbaugh is the epitome of honest, who would never ever say anything even remotely offensive.

      He is a hero for all people to emulate!

      *facepalm*

    • Arthur Goldwag says:

      How thoughtless of me. Considering Limbaugh’s well-documented sensitivities about racial issues and his reluctance to engage in political partisanship, I should have realized that he was deploring Reid’s unconscionable racism.

      And yes, you’re right–I’m not a regular listener of his show. But I did take the trouble to read the whole transcript on his website.

  90. Anonymous says:

    Sort of surprised this didn’t come up. France, with good reason, is also questioning the U.S. role in Haiti.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/haiti/7020908/US-accused-of-occupying-Haiti-as-troops-flood-in.html

    Both the U.S. and France have controlled Haiti in the past. Haiti’s economic turmoil is in no small part due to France’s demands that Haiti pay them reparations for their freedom and that the U.S. made them pay a 40 million dollar loan for occupying their country for 19 years. Haiti has been denied debt cancellation up until last september. The U.S. is also responsible for causing a war between Haiti and the Dominican Republic. In the 1970s and 80s the U.S. supported the oppressive Duvalier regime, in no small part because Haiti was allowing U.S. manufacturers to establish plants on the island. In 86 the U.S arranged for the Duvalier to seek refuge from protests in France. The U.S. has intervened in Haiti in 1888, 1915, 1994, and in 2004 was described by the president Haiti as “kidnapping” him and sending him to C.A.R. Since 2004, the U.N. has had a presence in Haiti. Both Venezuela and Cuba recently renewed their alliances with Haiti in 2006 and 2007.

    The point of me repeating these Wikipedia facts is that it would seem to be denying reality to say the U.S. has not demonstrated time and time again to have an invested interest in the island – not just a benevolent, “hope you are doing well,” interest either. It has placed banks in Haiti under U.S Banking control, has establish manufacturing plants, and obviously Haiti holds a geopolitical importance in that the U.S. does not want to see even more countries in the Americas begin to be ruled by leftist, populist rulers like Chavez and Morales. And, look, not to be condescending but if you haven’t noticed this trend in American foreign policy in the Americas you must be willfully not recognizing it. We want these countries for our companies and to support us in our adventures abroad. We do not care what their leaders do to their people as long as they don’t galvanize them into an Anti-American movement. This compounded with Naomi Klein’s hard to deny “Shock Doctrine” and Rahm Emanuel’s “Don’t let a good crisis go to waste,” it is easy to connect the dots. American aid almost always comes with strings attached, that is how we have hundreds of military bases on nearly every continent in the world. http://www.militarybudget.info/overseas.html

    But earthquake machines? Not so much.

  91. Anonymous says:

    If you look at the data from the haarp experiment you can see on 01/12/10 it was powered on in full force.

    other days there is hardly anything to graph.

    http://137.229.36.30/data/scmag/images/2010/2010_01/gkn20100112_Bx.gif

    This is an image of their induction magnetometer which is normally bluish purple by majority (no signal). However late on 01/11/10 it was powered on until 01/12/10 in the afternoon.

    Quite curious and could show that there is some kind of linking evidence, curled with Edmonton claims of the wave like clouds.

  92. Arthur Goldwag says:

    The School of the Americas is real–and it fits in with what the historical record tells us about US colonialism in Latin and South America and our government’s unholy alliances with right wing dictators. Some episodes were hush hush at the time (the CIA involvement in the Allende coup, for example) but many have come to light. The School of the Americas doesn’t belong under the rubric of conspiracy theory–it’s conspiracy, pure and simple.

    But an earthquake machine is sheer fantasy–like antigravity and time travel. I mean, yes, there have been papers and experiments and proposals, some of them undoubtedly classified; Project Faultless did shake the hell out of the desert not far from Area 51 in the 1960s (a hydrogen bomb was exploded 3000-plus feet underground, causing several square miles of land to drop several feet); Tesla, the story has it, almost brought down his whole neighborhood in New York City with his resonator machine–but when our government got hold of nuclear weapons, it used them in warfare and tested them in peace. Remember what Doctor Strangelove said about the Doomsday Machine? It doesn’t make any sense to build one unless people know about it.

  93. Anonymous says:

    > noam chomsky’s “Year 501″ would be a good place to start

    I very much doubt that Chomsky has attempted to charge HAARP with being behind this earthquake. Yes, US imperialism has a long record of armed interventions and engineered coups. But what could possibly be a motive for using HAARP with regards to this event? I like to fancy myself as open-minded, but I just don’t see any reason here. With regards to 911, the conspiratorial views assert that some type of major event was needed to push the country into wars in the Middle East. Whether or not that is really a correct view of 911, it’s a better start at defining a motive than anything given so far about the HAARP/Haiti conspiracy theory.

  94. Anonymous says:

    The interest is not in Haiti. The interest is in the military base it provides and its proximity to Venezuela.

  95. Anonymous says:

    Haiti has the easiest to get to and largest oil reserves outside the middle east. The US’s 3rd largest embassy is in Haiti.

    There is plenty of reason to want to ‘adopt’ Haiti.

  96. knappa says:

    Apparently we figured out Step 2 in the first part of the 20th century, when we made them take out a $40 million dollar loan in 1922 and then ceased occupation in 1934

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti#Since_1915

  97. Anonymous says:

    Maybe you should have thought that answer out a bit more…? Where ELSE do you think American interest would lie? I doubt they need Haitian topsoil of all things. Their resources lie further. Just a few years ago America was trying to take control of a piece of Haitian owned land just off the coast that was abundant in some time of fertilizer resource if not some specific mineral in the soil. And why and who do you think made DR so much more “nice and pleasant” to stay? Being that they’re a third world country as well, I’m positive they didn’t do it alone. If they don’t have to, the Haitian government would never allow other countries to start contracts to build resorts there. Too prideful for such things, though it could give a boost to their economy. …Duh????

  98. querent says:

    “and control of Haiti isn’t exactly a prize.”

    cheap labor pools are always a prize. look into the history of us/haitian interaction. noam chomsky’s “Year 501″ would be a good place to start.

    the us has never looked fondly on colonies that work to free themselves, either. witness cuba or vietnam.

    be careful in dismissing any idea that strikes you as “absurd.” don’t let the emotional entangle the issue.

    the first time i was ever told of the school of the americas, and what it did, i scoffed. way too far out to be true. accept that it was true.

  99. Anonymous says:

    Haiti was one of the most wealthy countries in the western hemispheare back in the 1800s. After Haiti won they independence by defeating their colonial rulers {france} Haitians had a thriving economy, so much so they were able to finance other caribean islands slave revolts. Because of greedy, selfish French slave/plantation owners lack of forward thinking, they felt the need to cry like woosies to the French government and ask for compensation from African Haitians, to the sum of 150 MILLION FRANCS!!!!!!!(150 BILLION today)which obviously crippled the country. Haiti was placed under a trade embargo by european nations until this day. That equals a poor nation. derrrr!

  100. Tucker Winchester says:

    Exactly. The US has chosen this time and place to exploit the vast wealth of Haiti. Not that we haven’t had the opportunity to do that before, like when troops were sent there from 1915-1934 or 1994, but with the economic downturn and all, this is the perfect place to put many unemployed out of work Americans to work all at the expense of the Haitian taxpayer.

  101. Anonymous says:

    Conveniently stay? Does it sound convenient to basically adopt the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere? What would be the dastardly intent? Step 1, invade Haiti, Step 2…. Step 3, Profit!

  102. Lobster says:

    Yeah!…

    Why?

  103. Umbriel says:

    The US has deployed troops to Haiti repeatedly over the past several decades. Each time its arm essentially had to be twisted to do so. It couldn’t possibly have less interest in staying.

    There are a lot of places in the world that the US government would like to establish a presence. Haiti isn’t one of them.

  104. phisrow says:

    I have no doubt that the US would feel no compunction about long-term meddling, and they’ve done plenty in various places, now and in the past; but I have difficulty understanding why they would want to bother with Haiti.

    The location isn’t especially strategic, the Dominican Republic is right next door, fairly friendly, and a much more pleasant stay, and the continental US is nearby in any case. No reason to build a Fortress of American Democracy(tm) there.

    There are basically no natural resources of any note, not even functional topsoil, and the population is already so poor that exploiting them would be easier and cheaper with some sort of “free trade” agreement/”international export zone” combination than with any sort of direct occupation.

    I just can’t fathom a motive, other than sheer volcano-base-and-white-cat cartoon villain evil. Neither marines nor weather-control-machine time come cheap, and control of Haiti isn’t exactly a prize.